Conspiracy theorists.. re Osama death.. explain to me...

[Tempest]

...why the US/Obama would "fake" his death at this point in time. Would just love to hear why you believe what you do.

[dyna mo]

prepare for dodging and deflecting.

[dropped9]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

prepare for dodging and deflecting.

And childish name calling

[WarChild]

Not to mention why would Pakistan confirm Osama was killed inside Pakistan when they have nothing to gain and everything to lose from it? Their own people will be quite upset with them over the American "intrusion" and the American media is already all over asking how Pakistan could possibly not have known. So if this was some sort of staged event, the Pakistanis would HAVE to be on in it and it's hard to see why they would want to do that. It just doesn't make sense.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Tempest

...why the US/Obama would "fake" his death at this point in time. Would just love to hear why you believe what you do.

There are many possibilities. One would be if we were about to have a false flag event staged which will bring is into WW III, we will be told it's a revenge attack from Al Qaeda. There are many other possibilities too.

[Kiopa_Matt]

If you don't understand why, then you're too stupid to understand why, so don't worry about it. Go sell some porn.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by WarChild

So if this was some sort of staged event, the Pakistanis would HAVE to be on in it and it's hard to see why they would want to do that. It just doesn't make sense.

Neither does the idea that Osama was living in a massive compound in Pakistan for all these years and nobody knew. Neither does finally catching up with America's Most Wanted and then dumping the evidence (body) into the sea.

It's the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 this year. This erases quite a few embarrassing questions, like why has Osama never been caught.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Neither does the idea that Osama was living in a massive compound in Pakistan for all these years and nobody knew. Neither does finally catching up with America's Most Wanted and then dumping the evidence (body) into the sea.

It's the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 this year. This erases quite a few embarrassing questions, like why has Osama never been caught.

Yep, exactly, not catching Osama makes the American's look incompitant

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yep, exactly, not catching Osama makes the American's look incompitant

WTF is incompitant? Fucking retards.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

There are many possibilities. One would be if we were about to have a false flag event staged which will bring is into WW III, we will be told it's a revenge attack from Al Qaeda. There are many other possibilities too.

Suuure... Execept they wouldn't need Osama dead to do that since there's been attacks, failed and successful for years now... Only "possible" reason with your thought is if they were trying to goad them into doing an attack. Pretty damn lame though as again, it doesn't really make sense to do it now... A year from now would have been better.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

WTF is incompitant? Fucking retards.

Very late here

incompetent

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Suuure... Execept they wouldn't need Osama dead to do that since there's been attacks, failed and successful for years now... Only "possible" reason with your thought is if they were trying to goad them into doing an attack. Pretty damn lame though as again, it doesn't really make sense to do it now... A year from now would have been better.

Attacks blamed on Al Qaeda are in fact carried out by the secret services and in some cases the super secret services that most people don't know exist. They are false flag attacks, like 9/11, London 7/7, Madrid 3/11. This is how the Bankers/Elite govern us. They use a myth to control us. They want to attack countries, they use terror as the myth. They want to give us injections to reduce our fertility, they use disease as the myth (i.e. Swine Flu Vaccine contained Polysorbate 80 etc). This is how they believe we should be governed. They do not believe we are intelligent enough to be involved in the major world decisions, they don't want us getting in the way, so they lie.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

If you don't understand why, then you're too stupid to understand why, so don't worry about it. Go sell some porn.

Awesome response. Guess you're too afraid to look like a nutcase.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Awesome response. Guess you're too afraid to look like a nutcase.

I am happy that I am too stupid to understand the NWO, war waging elite banking system, and Illuminati. What about you?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Tempest

...why the US/Obama would "fake" his death at this point in time. Would just love to hear why you believe what you do.

I'm pretty sure that most "conspiracy theorist's" take on the whole thing is that he's been dead for awhile, kind of like what is described in this article from 2001:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

I am happy that I am too stupid to understand the NWO, war waging elite banking system, and Illuminati. What about you?

Sometimes I wish I didn't know, once you do know you have a duty

[dyna mo]

dodgin & deflectin!!!!!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Neither does the idea that Osama was living in a massive compound in Pakistan for all these years and nobody knew.

Why is it far-fetched to believe that a highly reclusive, sick, wanted man was hiding in a sympathetic country but not far-fetched to believe that the NWO, or whoever, staged 9/11, the hiding of Osama and the capture of Osama?

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Attacks blamed on Al Qaeda are in fact carried out by the secret services and in some cases the super secret services that most people don't know exist. They are false flag attacks, like 9/11, London 7/7, Madrid 3/11. This is how the Bankers/Elite govern us. They use a myth to control us. They want to attack countries, they use terror as the myth. They want to give us injections to reduce our fertility, they use disease as the myth (i.e. Swine Flu Vaccine contained Polysorbate 80 etc). This is how they believe we should be governed. They do not believe we are intelligent enough to be involved in the major world decisions, they don't want us getting in the way, so they lie.

I think this is more true than not.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

I'm pretty sure that most "conspiracy theorist's" take on the whole thing is that he's been dead for awhile, kind of like what is described in this article from 2001:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Nice.. Not like a Taliban leader would lie about something like that...

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Sly

Why is it far-fetched to believe that a highly reclusive, sick, wanted man was hiding in a sympathetic country but not far-fetched to believe that the NWO, or whoever, staged 9/11, the hiding of Osama and the capture of Osama?

Just so you know, the "NWO" is not a group of people.

It stands for the New World Order, which is the name for what they want to be their tyrannical world government.

The New World Order doesn't even exist yet, and hopefully it never will.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

I'm pretty sure that most "conspiracy theorist's" take on the whole thing is that he's been dead for awhile, kind of like what is described in this article from 2001:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Isn't this selective believing?

Al Qaeda has also claimed responsibility for many bombings, including 9/11.

So we should believe their claims that Osama died, but not 9/11?

And did you really just use Fox News as your source?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Sly

Isn't this selective believing?

Al Qaeda has also claimed responsibility for many bombings, including 9/11.

So we should believe their claims that Osama died, but not 9/11?

And did you really just use Fox News as your source?

It's not "my source," it's simply 1 example of why some people think Bin Laden has been dead for awhile. There are many other examples such as Benazhir Bhutto (sp?) saying he died.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Just so you know, the "NWO" is not a group of people.

It stands for the New World Order, which is the name for what they want to be their tyrannical world government.

The New World Order doesn't even exist yet, and hopefully it never will.

Yes, forgive me, I'm not up on all of the theories. Swap out NWO for the elite bankers.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Sly

Yes, forgive me, I'm not up on all of the theories. Swap out NWO for the elite bankers.

Maybe you shouldn't talk about things that you're "not up on."

Just a thought...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Maybe you shouldn't talk about things that you're "not up on."

Just a thought...

This whole thread is about explanations for various conspiracies.

As you can see above, I have asked several questions yet no responses?

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Awesome response. Guess you're too afraid to look like a nutcase.

I'm releasing a new product in a couple days, so probably shouldn't be posting this, but have a few drinks in me, so what the hell.

The lack of critical thinking skills in people these days amazes me. *sighs* You do know Saudi Arabia is very rich is oil resources, right? And you do know the bin Laden family is huge within both, the oil and construction industry of Saudi Arabia, right? And you do know Saudi Arabia was one of the largest (if not THE largest) infrastructure projects the US ever undertook in order to basically buy a country, right?

And you do know the US is currently on a "war on terror" for resources (mainly oil), right? Really, it's not about weeding out guys in a cave, or people who stick explosives in their underwear. It's about resources. Seriously, I'm not shitting ya. So considering the US basically bought and paid for Saudi Arabia (including bin Laden family) decades ago, and the US is after oil, doesn't common sense dictate there's a good chance they're in cohorts together?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Maybe you shouldn't talk about things that you're "not up on."

Just a thought...

i'll talk about one thing i'm up on-

you are an idiot.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'll talk about one thing i'm up on-

you are an idiot.

Cool story bro...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

I'm releasing a new product in a couple days, so probably shouldn't be posting this, but have a few drinks in me, so what the hell.

The lack of critical thinking skills in people these days amazes me. *sighs* You do know Saudi Arabia is very rich is oil resources, right? And you do know the bin Laden family is huge within both, the oil and construction industry of Saudi Arabia, right? And you do know Saudi Arabia was one of the largest (if not THE largest) infrastructure projects the US ever undertook in order to basically buy a country, right?

And you do know the US is currently on a "war on terror" for resources (mainly oil), right? Really, it's not about weeding out guys in a cave, or people who stick explosives in their underwear. It's about resources. Seriously, I'm not shitting ya. So considering the US basically bought and paid for Saudi Arabia (including bin Laden family) decades ago, and the US is after oil, doesn't common sense dictate there's a good chance they're in cohorts together?

What oil have we gotten from Iraq and Afghanistan? Add Libya to the list.

Or is this all just set up for later down the line?

Possibly having installations in place to take over if the need would arise. Although that's kind of shortsighted as Iran will have nukes, Pakistan and India both have nukes.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

So considering the US basically bought and paid for Saudi Arabia (including bin Laden family) decades ago, and the US is after oil, doesn't common sense dictate there's a good chance they're in cohorts together?

A bit like the West arming Gaddafi and being buddies with him, as Nigel Farage points out

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Attacks blamed on Al Qaeda are in fact carried out by the secret services and in some cases the super secret services that most people don't know exist. They are false flag attacks, like 9/11, London 7/7, Madrid 3/11. This is how the Bankers/Elite govern us. They use a myth to control us. They want to attack countries, they use terror as the myth. They want to give us injections to reduce our fertility, they use disease as the myth (i.e. Swine Flu Vaccine contained Polysorbate 80 etc). This is how they believe we should be governed. They do not believe we are intelligent enough to be involved in the major world decisions, they don't want us getting in the way, so they lie.

Got any proof of this stuff? Every time I read "proof", it's all just opinions and theories. And then when things are proven to be wrong, those spouting those opinions and theories change their story so they can carry on... In most cases, it's guys that are making money off their ideas. So it's not like they have any ulterior motive or anything.

Regardless, you didn't actually answer my specific question.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Got any proof of this stuff? Every time I read "proof", it's all just opinions and theories. And then when things are proven to be wrong, those spouting those opinions and theories change their story so they can carry on... In most cases, it's guys that are making money off their ideas. So it's not like they have any ulterior motive or anything.

Regardless, you didn't actually answer my specific question.

Yep, plenty of proof! If there's anything specific you'd like just ask

[Jakez]

He was dead a long time ago and they just setup all this to get Obama into a 2nd term.

I keed

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yep, plenty of proof! If there's anything specific you'd like just ask

I am interested in the swine flu deal you mentioned. How did that work? Did their plans not go as well as they had hoped? It caused a lot of panic, sure, but nothing too crazy. And what exactly are they to gain from something like that? What did they get out of the deal? And if they started the swine flu, why did they let it be stopped?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

And you do know the US is currently on a "war on terror" for resources (mainly oil), right? Really, it's not about weeding out guys in a cave, or people who stick explosives in their underwear. It's about resources. Seriously, I'm not shitting ya. So considering the US basically bought and paid for Saudi Arabia (including bin Laden family) decades ago, and the US is after oil, doesn't common sense dictate there's a good chance they're in cohorts together?

Yeah, it's always about oil. Blah blah blah blah oil.

If this was the case, why haven't we invaded Canada yet? Because that's the largest supplier of oil to the US. Mexico is second.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Got any proof of this stuff? Every time I read "proof", it's all just opinions and theories. And then when things are proven to be wrong, those spouting those opinions and theories change their story so they can carry on... In most cases, it's guys that are making money off their ideas. So it's not like they have any ulterior motive or anything.

Regardless, you didn't actually answer my specific question.

You were saying it would have been better to do this 1 year from now. When the 9/11 10 year anniversery comes up in September, a lot of people would have said how Bin Laden was never caught. It makes sense to get it out of the way now.

Osama Bin Laden was meant to scare people, so as the people could be controlled using the fear, but people were no longer scared of him. Now they need a puppet to scare us. Or maybe they will be using mother nature now.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

I'm releasing a new product in a couple days, so probably shouldn't be posting this, but have a few drinks in me, so what the hell.

The lack of critical thinking skills in people these days amazes me. *sighs* You do know Saudi Arabia is very rich is oil resources, right? And you do know the bin Laden family is huge within both, the oil and construction industry of Saudi Arabia, right? And you do know Saudi Arabia was one of the largest (if not THE largest) infrastructure projects the US ever undertook in order to basically buy a country, right?

And you do know the US is currently on a "war on terror" for resources (mainly oil), right? Really, it's not about weeding out guys in a cave, or people who stick explosives in their underwear. It's about resources. Seriously, I'm not shitting ya. So considering the US basically bought and paid for Saudi Arabia (including bin Laden family) decades ago, and the US is after oil, doesn't common sense dictate there's a good chance they're in cohorts together?

Given the "Project for the New American Century" with Kristol, Kagan, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc, there is little doubt in my mind that Bush and crew used 9/11 to put part of it into effect.

However, you didn't actually answer my question.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Neither does the idea that Osama was living in a massive compound in Pakistan for all these years and nobody knew..

heard they knew SOMEONE was in there, for five years, but WHO

hahaha

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You were saying it would have been better to do this 1 year from now. When the 9/11 10 year anniversery comes up in September, a lot of people would have said how Bin Laden was never caught. It makes sense to get it out of the way now.

Osama Bin Laden was meant to scare people, so as the people could be controlled using the fear, but people were no longer scared of him. Now they need a puppet to scare us. Or maybe they will be using mother nature now.

A year from now it could have been used to make Obama look good going into an election, especially if there's an uptake on terrorists attacks as they could work in the fear factor... Doing it now because of the anniversary is just a waste of such a major event.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yeah, it's always about oil. Blah blah blah blah oil.

If this was the case, why haven't we invaded Canada yet? Because that's the largest supplier of oil to the US. Mexico is second.

Been awhile since I read it, but I believe that the "Project for the New American Century" outlined getting US bases in the middle east to sort of get it more under their control so that they could then shift battle groups towards China for the future.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Been awhile since I read it, but I believe that the "Project for the New American Century" outlined getting US bases in the middle east to sort of get it more under their control so that they could then shift battle groups towards China for the future.

I would believe it for bases before oil.

[Marcin978]

Obama faked Osama death because probably inspired by CIA terrorist group needs to make terrorist incident, probably in Europe
and maybebecause he needs cover his faked birth certificate...

Anybody want still talk about birth certificate?? NO, Everyone wants talk about Osama death.

A week ago wiki leaks confirmed possibility of terrorist attack after Osama murder.

Is it strange? Week ago Wiki leaks informed us about consequences of Osama death, and now Osama is dead?

So prepare for next terrorist accident

maybe 21 may? who knows, maybe...


After this they tell us that this is terrorists revenge and we must fight together because they are so strong
and maybe they are hiding in Libia...

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by Sly

Why is it far-fetched to believe that a highly reclusive, sick, wanted man was hiding in a sympathetic country but not far-fetched to believe that the NWO, or whoever, staged 9/11, the hiding of Osama and the capture of Osama?

You don't have to believe in something to not believe something else. All that needs to happen for you to be a "conspiracy nut" is to think the official version doesn't add up.

I don't necessarily believe 'conspiracy' theories. A lot of them conflict with each other anyway. I just don't also necessarily believe official versions and I'm willing to accept that what the Government says is not necessarily true. Why would it be? You never hear the whole truth about anything; the fact they classify documents alone demonstrates that.

I will say this, conspiracy theories, if they don't go completely nuts, are very interesting and entertaining and often seem more plausible than official versions, which usually amount to little more than simple minded We Do Good/They Do Evil.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I will say this, conspiracy theories, if they don't go completely nuts, are very interesting and entertaining and often seem more plausible than official versions, which usually amount to little more than simple minded We Do Good/They Do Evil.

conspiracy theories mirror the same manichean narrative with the people = good and the nwo or "they" as satanically evil.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

I am interested in the swine flu deal you mentioned. How did that work? Did their plans not go as well as they had hoped? It caused a lot of panic, sure, but nothing too crazy. And what exactly are they to gain from something like that? What did they get out of the deal? And if they started the swine flu, why did they let it be stopped?

Swine Flu all starts here, he says the world population is too high and that the UN will play a essential role in Population Control


In 2009 the WHO change their definition of Pandemic http://www.flu-treatments.com/pandemic-definition.html It used to also say that there must be a high morbidity and a high mortality rate. This was important, as the declaration of a Pandemic was needed to justify the vaccines and in order to rush through an "Untested" vaccine, under such circumstances you cannot sue the Pharmaceuticals if something goes wrong as the laws have been set up such that they are protected during a Pandemic.

They needed the vaccines to be allegedly "Untested" as they were designed to cause harm. To protect themselves they engineered a situation where they could say the vaccines were untested. To protect themselves even more (whilst also giving the game away) the vaccines came with an insert saying "has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility."

The vaccines contain Polysorbate 80, this is known to damage developing ovaries when injected directly into the blood. People will try coming out with half truths such as "It's fine when eaten", which is pretty much true, but has nothing to do with what happens when it's injected. For more details about Polysorbate 80 see here http://organichealthadviser.com/arch...lity-in-humans

Remember the pregnant women got called up for vaccines for the first time, this was to target the ovaries of the female fetuses. Next it was the young children, this was to target the developing ovaries of the young girls.

The Swine Flu Sterilization program was a big fail, nowhere near as many people got jabbed as had been planned. The WHO even put their heads together at the end and decided the Internet was to blame.

It Britain they made it completely obvious by going after Pakistanis and Bangladeshis; who are well known for having large families.

"Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities had much higher death rates than white British children. "
"Sir Liam and a colleague say these high-risk groups should now be a priority for vaccination. " http://www.webmd.boots.com/cold-and-...ne-flu-warning

Also worth noting that HPV/Cervical Cancer vaccine is also part of the fertility reduction program.

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by Rochard

If this was the case, why haven't we invaded Canada yet? Because that's the largest supplier of oil to the US. Mexico is second.

Because the US has all the oil it wants from Canada. Then the US turns around, and sells it back to Canada with a profit margin. No need to invade, the US already has Canada under control.

[Phoenix]

im pretty sure they went and killed the guy.

why fake it? they probably could have done it for awhile now.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Swine Flu all starts here, he says the world population is too high and that the UN will play a essential role in Population Control


In 2009 the WHO change their definition of Pandemic http://www.flu-treatments.com/pandemic-definition.html It used to also say that there must be a high morbidity and a high mortality rate. This was important, as the declaration of a Pandemic was needed to justify the vaccines and in order to rush through an "Untested" vaccine, under such circumstances you cannot sue the Pharmaceuticals if something goes wrong as the laws have been set up such that they are protected during a Pandemic.

They needed the vaccines to be allegedly "Untested" as they were designed to cause harm. To protect themselves they engineered a situation where they could say the vaccines were untested. To protect themselves even more (whilst also giving the game away) the vaccines came with an insert saying "has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility."

The vaccines contain Polysorbate 80, this is known to damage developing ovaries when injected directly into the blood. People will try coming out with half truths such as "It's fine when eaten", which is pretty much true, but has nothing to do with what happens when it's injected. For more details about Polysorbate 80 see here http://organichealthadviser.com/arch...lity-in-humans

Remember the pregnant women got called up for vaccines for the first time, this was to target the ovaries of the female fetuses. Next it was the young children, this was to target the developing ovaries of the young girls.

The Swine Flu Sterilization program was a big fail, nowhere near as many people got jabbed as had been planned. The WHO even put their heads together at the end and decided the Internet was to blame.

It Britain they made it completely obvious by going after Pakistanis and Bangladeshis; who are well known for having large families.

"Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities had much higher death rates than white British children. "
"Sir Liam and a colleague say these high-risk groups should now be a priority for vaccination. " http://www.webmd.boots.com/cold-and-...ne-flu-warning

Also worth noting that HPV/Cervical Cancer vaccine is also part of the fertility reduction program.

they mean using sex education and birth control you idiot.

where is the proof that any aid organization is going to use disease as a means of world population control. let's see some facts.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yep, plenty of proof! If there's anything specific you'd like just ask

Post some links that prove this "super secret service" and that 9/11, London 7/7 and Madrid 3/11 wasn't done by Al Qaeda but by this "secret service"..

Oh.. And if you're going to post the usual garbage about how 9/11 was taken down by thermite etc, don't bother. I looked into that and found that there was ZERO actual proof. In fact, I've seen actual tests done to disprove that theory and yet those that spout that idea have NEVER done one thing to prove their theory. Instead, in the face of facts that disproves them, they change their story so they can keep writing books and making money.