Do tube sites get you sales? - Page 11 - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 02:35 AM

DVTimes started an 11 page thread. I guess the Rapture happened and we didn't notice it.

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Notice how Paul ignores my two suggestions - start a paysite review site and start a consulting company. Org laugh.

BTW: No one has the "perfect" way of doing things, everyone has their own way that works for them.

DamianJ: Great ideas for emails!!

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Originally Posted by Nicky

The amount of text he writes here on GFY daily would really come in handy on a paysite review site. ALso he can be brutaly honest and the surfers would love him just like he wants

no joke.

I did start a review site. I became truly disgusted by the content that most were selling. Couldn't find enough sites I really liked to get enough money from it. Today there's no need to be brutally honest. The customers know online porn isn't good enough. Well 99.9% of them do. The problem with an honest review site is site owners wouldn't let you in, if they knew you were goig to write the blunt truth. Fabian did and must be applauded for his bravery, Robbie and Damian won't. Mrpeabody what about you, got any balls?

Started a paysite, in fact paysites. The content had to be from the content we had shot over the years. For reasons discussed I was not about to give up what we were doing and start shooting something exclusively for the paysites. would of meant giving up shooting in Czech IMO.

Consultancy, is an interesting thing.

We've got marketing men talking about tweaking or testing tours, buttons, emails and other small things. That's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It might make 1-1,000 viewing content on a free site go to 1-1,000 or even 3-1,000. It won't make a huge difference. Because none of what they suggest is the root problem.

That's 999 people are looking at a sample or tour and moving on. The content didn't motivate them enough to stay longer.

Interesting. It seems of the 1,000s who hit Misterpeabodyworld.com they only like what they see on average well enough to stay to see one page. My crap sites with my crap content and marketing seem to do so much better.

Does my content make more people sit up and take a longer look, does it interest people more. Are the amateur crap tours so badly designed and laid out, getting a better response the peabody's tours?

The fundamental problem this side of the porn industry has always had isn't traffic or marketing. It's surfers looking at what's on offer on not buying.

We chose the solution of tweaking the marketing and throwing more traffic at it. Did it change the fundamental problem? No the problem got worse. more people were looking and not buying per 1,000s.

Could I with my experience and knowledge change that problem as a consultant? Well as one of the few who see the real problem, I think I can do a better job then most.

The problem is getting people to realise traffic isn't the indication of a sites success. It's conversions that matter.

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I was being 100% serious with my advice. Okay, starting a "consulting company" in this day and age would be a little rough but perhaps not if Paul focused on "Ma and Pa" operations or start-ups. Maybe they are below his income standards. Who knows.

So your operation wouldn't be able to afford me. LOL

It's not just paying for me, it's paying for the solutions. Can you afford it?

Manwin can and I could improve their revenue easily. Problem is getting them to see the woods for the trees.

Nicky · 05-25-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

you are way to late to jump into the review business. talk to the guys who own the top 10-20 review sites and ask how their traffic and sales are these days. there are so many review sites already - most are clones - that you will have a hard time gaining a following. and if you do succeed at that, your actual conversions will be so few that you would make more per hour working in a sweat shop.

an idea that could work is putting a reviews section in the member's area of your paysites. write personalized reviews of a smaller amount of sites that you recommend. your reviews will be read by members that trust you, and your conversion rate will be much higher.

member trades are the highest converting source of traffic in porn. members already have a history of buying porn and are usually looking for something new. merge the review concept with the member trade tactic and you will have a nice secondary income.

Yep for sure. I know the review site train left many years ago unless you come up with something really innovating. I just pointed out I always wanted to do one

. Nice suggestions btw, thanks.

DVTimes · 05-25-2011, 03:34 AM

bump 4 page 11

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 09:53 AM

Actually MisterPeabody has a good point. I could be a consultant to sites to improve their revenue. The way I would do it is easy.

Look inside their members area at the product. Give constructive helpful advice how to improve that product. Train, guide or advise their shooters how to improve their techniques.

Nothing revolutionary, things I've learned over the years often by making the mistakes and improving my techniques as the years went by.

My content sold in the top paying markets. I had to learn what would sell and wouldn't. I see elementary mistake all over the place.

Yes my style is dated, doesn't mean my knowledge is. The same knowledge that worked years ago works today.

The problem as MisterPeabody points out is few could afford me or the solution.

It would need an investment in the product over time to get the results. You can't change the members area over night.

Cherry7 · 05-25-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Actually MisterPeabody has a good point. I could be a consultant to sites to improve their revenue. The way I would do it is easy.

Look inside their members area at the product. Give constructive helpful advice how to improve that product. Train, guide or advise their shooters how to improve their techniques.

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How will you do this when you have no training or knowledge? You told me that a person cannot change a lens on a DSLR. You think that to get good sound you put it on a stand. Lighting is just for exposure, you use amateur cameras, you do not edit you material in anyway. The sound and picture are not subject to any post production. You bring no creativity to your work. When confronted with the poor nature of your photography you brag how much money it has made. Which, if true one wonders what are you moaning about, you took a lot of poor quality pictures and made a lot of money.

Your wife really should sit you down and show you some Czech cinema, it is beautifully shot and erotic too

Closely Observed Trains

Then read some books....

Then you maybe a bit more modest

Anna_Miller · 05-25-2011, 12:27 PM

Wow! I stopped reading around page four..

Robbie · 05-25-2011, 12:31 PM

Hey Anna...when I login to 4 Real Cash I'm getting a blank page

The Porn Nerd · 05-25-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

DVTimes started an 11 page thread. I guess the Rapture happened and we didn't notice it.

I did start a review site. I became truly disgusted by the content that most were selling. Couldn't find enough sites I really liked to get enough money from it. Today there's no need to be brutally honest. The customers know online porn isn't good enough. Well 99.9% of them do. The problem with an honest review site is site owners wouldn't let you in, if they knew you were goig to write the blunt truth. Fabian did and must be applauded for his bravery, Robbie and Damian won't. Mrpeabody what about you, got any balls?

Started a paysite, in fact paysites. The content had to be from the content we had shot over the years. For reasons discussed I was not about to give up what we were doing and start shooting something exclusively for the paysites. would of meant giving up shooting in Czech IMO.

Consultancy, is an interesting thing.

We've got marketing men talking about tweaking or testing tours, buttons, emails and other small things. That's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It might make 1-1,000 viewing content on a free site go to 1-1,000 or even 3-1,000. It won't make a huge difference. Because none of what they suggest is the root problem.

That's 999 people are looking at a sample or tour and moving on. The content didn't motivate them enough to stay longer.

Interesting. It seems of the 1,000s who hit Misterpeabodyworld.com they only like what they see on average well enough to stay to see one page. My crap sites with my crap content and marketing seem to do so much better.

Does my content make more people sit up and take a longer look, does it interest people more. Are the amateur crap tours so badly designed and laid out, getting a better response the peabody's tours?

The fundamental problem this side of the porn industry has always had isn't traffic or marketing. It's surfers looking at what's on offer on not buying.

We chose the solution of tweaking the marketing and throwing more traffic at it. Did it change the fundamental problem? No the problem got worse. more people were looking and not buying per 1,000s.

Could I with my experience and knowledge change that problem as a consultant? Well as one of the few who see the real problem, I think I can do a better job then most.

The problem is getting people to realise traffic isn't the indication of a sites success. It's conversions that matter.

So your operation wouldn't be able to afford me. LOL

It's not just paying for me, it's paying for the solutions. Can you afford it?

Manwin can and I could improve their revenue easily. Problem is getting them to see the woods for the trees.

Hi Paul, a few points, just for clarification and "perspective" (no snarkiness, promise):

www.misterpeabodyworld.com is simply my "Network landing page", a central place for surfers and members to go to make it feel more like a network. I don't have one Members Area but rather each individual site has its' own unique Mem Area. So that Mister Peabody World page acts mostly as a place for (mostly) surfers to go to see the latest updates. My stats show people stay "on site" for less than 30 seconds - they see an update then click to that tour. BUT I get a fuckload of directed sales from that site. (I don't send direct traffic there.)

I've re-designed it to focus more on this aspect of the site (people checking it out for updates) and it goes live tomorrow:

http://misterpeabodyworld.com/index1.php

Now, people have to scroll down an I-Frame to see the updates; this new design they're right on top. Click - sale!

As for review sites: As with everything I do I am NOT interested (because I am realistic here folks) in trying to become Manwin. Or even Robbie or TheDoc or...well, you get the point. I am one happy motherfucker, making as much as I do. I am not married, have no children, work from home, outsource the help I need and am getting rich (MY definition of "rich" - i.e., freedom) so I am extremely happy.

Therefore my idea for a Review Site is simply this: NOT to review a thousand fucking shitty sites. NOT to review the "BROs" out there (they certainly don't need me). No, I want to target GREAT WEBSITES to review. If we had only fifty reviews on there, but every single one was a goddamned WINNER, then that's all we would need. Maybe a hundred. And I would pay for Memberships for the reviewers, no begging from the programs (who, you are right, would never let me inside). A hundred memberships is what? 3k max? part of the start-up cost.

Also, I intend to put that review site on my network (tho none of my own sites would be reviewed). My Goal here is to make some extra coin for Mister P, NOT be the "next Rabbit's Reviews".

So paying for Paul: since you make $0 posting all day on GFY for the same (or less) amount of work for writing a review you wouldn't get paid. You would get a percentage of sales, for one, and the credibility of having your opinions properly expressed and in a forum where it could help people (surfers). This should be reward enough, if you are as passionate about helping consumers as you come off here on GFY.

Plus, a smart cookie would use those published reviews to get more gigs, more credibility and more. Plus, as you already know, writing is its' own reward. (Plus - more chapters for your ebook?)

As you can tell, I have my own way of spinning things and it works for the 'Mister Peabody brand'.

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

How will you do this when you have no training or knowledge? You told me that a person cannot change a lens on a DSLR. You think that to get good sound you put it on a stand. Lighting is just for exposure, you use amateur cameras, you do not edit you material in anyway. The sound and picture are not subject to any post production. You bring no creativity to your work. When confronted with the poor nature of your photography you brag how much money it has made. Which, if true one wonders what are you moaning about, you took a lot of poor quality pictures and made a lot of money.

OK idiot, you asked for it.

What the fuck is that look on her face? It's about as erotic as my big toe. The "photography techniques" sucks. Looks like an amateur who hasn't progressed very far. also been done a 1,000 times.

Grainy and WTF is the appendix scar? Again nothing special.

Shit framing, you left the moles and spots on her body, where the post production? Also buy a razor and shaving foam for girls. Before you shoot a crap picture of their stubbly cracks. Also looks a bit on the yellow side. More post production work needed.

Crap framing, you chopped off the head of the girl looking at the camera. Out of focus, location shows a crap home, WTF is the white lead from the light meant to signify? Lighting is shit. Pose is a girl faking an orgasm. Very innovative.

Again crap framing and you have no idea how to pose a girl to show her curves. The front leg should be to the front, the back arched more to push up the rear and take the shit look off her face. It's a very bad picture.

Again crap framing. Don't chop off the toes. Either crop the feet out or get them in the picture. Posing is amateur. Looks grainy. Again she needs to have a full bush or no hair, stubble isn't erotic. Also not a very attractive girl.

Your stills work is worse than amateur. Amateurs learn and grow, they love what they do and strive to improve. Some of the best pictures I've seen were taken by amateurs.

My work.

You're not in the same league as me. You're in the amateurs game, I play in the professionals game.

If you want I'll show you some more of my good work.

These are better shots than any of yours. Framing, looks, exposure, focus sharp on his face and soft on the rest to give the emphasis to his sad look, posing all right. The picture tells a story.

I'm a sad puppy stuck on the stairs/in the bath.

Or. How many more pictures do I have to pose for?

Robbie · 05-25-2011, 04:36 PM

Heh-heh-heh

Paul just laid the smack down!

I gotta say I like your style when it comes to getting nasty! The pics of the pups put it over the top!

The Porn Nerd · 05-25-2011, 07:50 PM

I like puppies.

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Heh-heh-heh

Paul just laid the smack down!

I gotta say I like your style when it comes to getting nasty! The pics of the pups put it over the top!

I got sick to death of him having a go at me content. He's clueless. The proof is in he puts these pictures on his tour. They're terrible and he doesn't see it. Look at my banner, there's more eroticism in that than any of his pictures.

The pics of Rajah, were to illustrate the point of what he's trying to achieve. A picture should invoke an emotion. Be it a porn picture or a picture of a cute puppy. My pics of Rajah show just that. A sad little puppy all wet and forlorn getting a bath and trying to get out or stuck on the stairs having to pose for Daddy. Both invoke a feeling of AHHHHH!

Porn again is meant to invoke an emotion or a notion. The first one of the girls kissing shows passion about to be released, the second one is a girl showing your her friends pussy and maybe asking you to look or join in, the third, a girl teasing you with the idea of her giving you a BJ.

His pictures are often just meat laid out on a slab. And he's telling me I can't shoot erotic.

theking · 05-26-2011, 02:34 AM

Porn is porn...is porn...and 99.9% of it is boring with much of it being disgusting...in my opinion...(including Markam's) but then again I have not been a fan of porn since I was mid teens and discovered the real thing. The only porn subscription I ever had in my life was to Playboy magazine (I never considered the eye candy to really be porn) and like the cliche it was primarily for the articles of which they had many good ones over the years.

AtlantisCash · 05-26-2011, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane_2ptoh

This thread is clearly O.G.s comparing profits 10 yrs ago with profits now. A decade ago it was all TGPs. I'm not a techy myself, i'm in sales itself, what happened was that the general public copped on that computer skills were valuable, everyone taught themselves. Drag and drop software came along and now everyone has a couple of tubes/blogs up. (Even me).

It's sad. My uncle owned a very successful record shop for years which has obviously closed down.

The industry has changed forever. It sucks for you guys.

I still believe though that people will pay for quality and for niche. I would.

Computer skills are still valuable and will be always, because one is supperior to other, how ever you got some good points.

in fact, what i think is some of adult webmasters are stupid and most of them just copy eachotherr, some they don't try differant methods and this is one of the biggest flaw imho.

Cherry7 · 05-26-2011, 08:45 AM

I like your pictures of the puppies. The other pictures you show have no originality or creativity, no use of photography, no use of lighting....

And please remember I am not the one telling the world how it should be done - You are.

But this is your fault, you don't read books, you have never done a photographic course, you don't watch films, you live in a great country which has a great photographic and cinema tradition but you remain ignorant of it.

You are rude about everyone else and so forgiving of your own crass mistakes.

If you think your pictures are hot sexy or good photography you are deluded.

You think you can't change lenses on a digital SLR camera. Less writing more reading called for.

As I say read some books, watch some good movies, read about photography, then come and teach about framing....

The Porn Nerd · 05-26-2011, 09:59 AM

Everyone should remember something basic about most (not all) people working in Adult:

This Industry is filled with people who couldn't get a job doing anything else. It's best to remember that. LOL

DVTimes · 05-26-2011, 10:36 AM

page 11 bump

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

I like your pictures of the puppies. The other pictures you show have no originality or creativity, no use of photography, no use of lighting....

And please remember I am not the one telling the world how it should be done - You are.

But this is your fault, you don't read books, you have never done a photographic course, you don't watch films, you live in a great country which has a great photographic and cinema tradition but you remain ignorant of it.

You are rude about everyone else and so forgiving of your own crass mistakes.

If you think your pictures are hot sexy or good photography you are deluded.

You think you can't change lenses on a digital SLR camera. Less writing more reading called for.

As I say read some books, watch some good movies, read about photography, then come and teach about framing....

My pictures are porn pictures by a professional pornographer. The skill in in knowing how to pose and motivate a model. A lot harder than getting the lighting moody.

Actually you're wrong about the lighting. Take another look at picture 1 and 3. 2 is for the teen market where they want the flatter lighting. They don't want the more pro pictures.

To give you a clue. Can you tell where I had the lights and the way I got the effect?

Maybe you would like to tell us about how you achieved your creative lighting in the shots you show on your tour.

Mister Peabody has made a good post. Cherry, what is your full time job?

Nicky · 05-26-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Everyone should remember something basic about most (not all) people working in Adult:

This Industry is filled with people who couldn't get a job doing anything else. It's best to remember that. LOL

Lest we forget lol

Robbie · 05-26-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Cherry, what is your full time job?

I'm gonna go with:
"Being a man who is posing as a woman in the adult industry"

The Porn Nerd · 05-26-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm gonna go with:
"Being a man who is posing as a woman in the adult industry"

Cherry7 · 05-26-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Everyone should remember something basic about most (not all) people working in Adult:

This Industry is filled with people who couldn't get a job doing anything else. It's best to remember that. LOL

And others who want to keep their day job, there is a reason some of us use a different name and it is because we have other lives.

Cherry7 · 05-26-2011, 04:15 PM

These are the sort of photographs I enjoy taking...

They are of course just support materials to our films such as

Barbie's washday

Here you can see examples of lighting and editing, the acting pretty lame though.

The Porn Nerd · 05-26-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

And others who want to keep their day job, there is a reason some of us use a different name and it is because we have other lives.

Heh I know - this is why I wear a green coat and am a cartoon.

The Porn Nerd · 05-26-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

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Barbie's washday

Here you can see examples of lighting and editing, the acting pretty lame though.

Hey man, we should do some cross-promotion for this site:

Barbiland

(Cool video!)

Theo · 05-26-2011, 06:19 PM

You gotta love Paul

Jim_Gunn · 05-26-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

My pictures are porn pictures by a professional pornographer. The skill in in knowing how to pose and motivate a model. A lot harder than getting the lighting moody.

Paul, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You're always critiquing everyone's else's photos but the model on camera right has her right eye in darkness, an amateurish mistake if ever there was one.

DamianJ · 05-27-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Paul, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You're always critiquing everyone's else's photos but the model on camera right has her right eye in darkness, an amateurish mistake if ever there was one.

I'm betting he ignores that comment.

lilith_pet · 05-27-2011, 02:13 AM

Sick thread..
Do you guys really have time and will to write all these HUGE posts? Oh Lord.. I'm too lazy to even READ that shit

plsureking · 05-27-2011, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lilith_pet

Sick thread..
Do you guys really have time and will to write all these HUGE posts? Oh Lord.. I'm too lazy to even READ that shit

there is a direct relation between number of words posted on gfy and monthly income.

check the long-winded fuckers on here. their money is way down.

gotta go...

Nathan · 05-27-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Paul, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You're always critiquing everyone's else's photos but the model on camera right has her right eye in darkness, an amateurish mistake if ever there was one.

But Jim! This is not a mistake, this is on purpose! Anything you will tell him about his pictures that is "amateurish" was actually CAREFULLY planned. ;)

Paul Markham · 05-27-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Paul, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You're always critiquing everyone's else's photos but the model on camera right has her right eye in darkness, an amateurish mistake if ever there was one.

True, can't get everything right shooting on film.

It's the looks in the eyes that sells porn.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

But Jim! This is not a mistake, this is on purpose! Anything you will tell him about his pictures that is "amateurish" was actually CAREFULLY planned. ;)

Well not true. Her right eye isn't in darkness, it can be seen so in a shadow.

I have one telling me I don't use lights properly to create mood, then when I do with hi lites and a little shadow others tell me it's wrong.

Can't win. LOL

Paul Markham · 05-27-2011, 03:10 AM

It seems Cherry might be a full time Cinematographer. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0285779/

So need to see some of his porn video work.

Stand by what I said about his stills, they are not as good as he makes out.

Still wondering if his full time job is in shooting.

DVTimes · 05-27-2011, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

These are the sort of photographs I enjoy taking...

They are of course just support materials to our films such as

Barbie's washday

Here you can see examples of lighting and editing, the acting pretty lame though.

some sexy pics

DamianJ · 05-27-2011, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It seems Cherry might be a full time Cinematographer. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0285779/

So need to see some of his porn video work.

I'll buy you a pass for his site if things are tight still Paul

Paul Markham · 05-27-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I'll buy you a pass for his site if things are tight still Paul

OK then, will wait for you to do that and email it to me.

Or are you lying?

DVTimes · 05-27-2011, 08:09 PM

page 11 bump............

DamianJ · 05-28-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK then, will wait for you to do that and email it to me.

Or are you lying?

If you really can't afford it Paul, sure. Just post saying "I can't afford to pay for a pass to a porn site and need Damian's money" and it's as good as yours, love.

xoxox

Paul Markham · 05-28-2011, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

If you really can't afford it Paul, sure. Just post saying "I can't afford to pay for a pass to a porn site and need Damian's money" and it's as good as yours, love.

xoxox

"I can't afford to pay for a pass to a porn site and need Damian's money"

And just to inform you I tried your idea of changing the email. Will inform you of the details.

DamianJ · 05-28-2011, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

"I can't afford to pay for a pass to a porn site and need Damian's money"

OK then. You really have no shame, do you?

What's your email address?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And just to inform you I tried your idea of changing the email. Will inform you of the details.

No need to thank me.

Oh wait, you didn't.

Cherry7 · 05-28-2011, 09:57 AM

Shadows are not a problem in photography, in fact light tells a story, builds atmosphere, drama ....

The obsession with flat shadow-less lighting was probably for the color printing process back in the day.

But now we can have dramatic expressionistic lighting and photography, yes it allowed, the "rules" Markham talks about are very rarely enforced if ever, only result in a minor fine.
in fact I can find no reference to them in Langford's "Basic Photography" or his "Advanced Photography" . I hear they are mentioned in a rare and difficult to obtain e-book.

Paul Markham · 05-28-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

OK then. You really have no shame, do you?

What's your email address?

paul_eva at paulmarkham.com you will need to approve your email address at Spam Arrest.

Why should I be ashamed?

Quote:

No need to thank me.

Oh wait, you didn't.

Waiting to see how well it works first.

DamianJ · 05-28-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

paul_eva at paulmarkham.com you will need to approve your email address at Spam Arrest.

Why should I be ashamed?

Because you are asking me for 30 bucks.

Sad day.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Waiting to see how well it works first.

a) You could have thanked me for doing the work in the first place, regardless of the success. And Paul, look at your mail, then look at mine. Even you know mine will do better. Trolling or no trolling.

b) How are you measuring its success? Didn't seem like you've got a set up ready to split test seeing as a) you asked me to 'programme' you some email software and b) you constantly say split testing is a ridiculous waste of time?

I repeat my offer of buying you a month on ynot mail so you can actually count and track opens and clicks, something I doubt you are set up to do.

Let me know.
D

DVTimes · 05-28-2011, 02:45 PM

sat bump for this thread.

Paul Markham · 05-29-2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Because you are asking me for 30 bucks.

Sad day.

Not if you help me out. For you it will be a great day.
Facing the plight we are facing of being penniless I can only hope someone like you will help me out.

Still not got the login/pass.

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a) You could have thanked me for doing the work in the first place, regardless of the success. And Paul, look at your mail, then look at mine. Even you know mine will do better. Trolling or no trolling.

Thank you for the idea.

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b) How are you measuring its success? Didn't seem like you've got a set up ready to split test seeing as a) you asked me to 'programme' you some email software and b) you constantly say split testing is a ridiculous waste of time?

I repeat my offer of buying you a month on ynot mail so you can actually count and track opens and clicks, something I doubt you are set up to do.

We only mail out from Newsletter@ we don't use unknown email addresses to send out the updates. So not taking you up on this offer.

Split testing a tour is simply tweaking results. If after 12 years of misleading, over inflating and down right lying to customers anyone thinks that changing the tour is going to make a huge difference. Then they're grabbing at straws.

The change will often be negated by the cost and possibility of a new testing tour doing worse than the existing one.

The only way to reverse the slide in sales is to change the approach of this side of the porn industry. In that more traffic, usually gained by more free porn, and marketing will effect a customers decision in any way other than minor.

Also if you do achieve some marvelous converting tour, everyone will copy you. Therefore the little gain is lost and the exercise needs to be started again.

Tours have become duplicated, cloned and often little to distinguish one from the next.

The only way to change a buyers decisions now is to show him something that's not on every other site and can't be achieved by tweaking or changing a tour.

I realise as a marketing man you don't have the ability to do that and need to rely on convincing people that "testing" tours sprucing emails and getting the right keywords and color join buttons will effect the business in some great way.

Truth is we've had 12 years of "Traffic is King" and "Marketing Gurus" and sales have been declining per 1,000 surfers since day one. Today the industry is hemorrhaging money. Some big sites are picking up from those getting out. but the industry is in decline. If that's the result of 12 years of "Traffic is King" and "Marketing Gurus". Then why should anything they do change it?

Another tour that misleads or over inflates the customers expectations of the site, leads to another surfer on a free porn site.

The situation today is can the majority of the industry spend the money to effect the change that's needed?

The cost of a marketing man is far less than the cost of really good content, even in the good days of online porn few could really afford it. Or had the business sense to work out how to get great content, in many niches, for free.

DamianJ · 05-29-2011, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Thank you for the idea.

You're welcome. See, that wasn't too hard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We only mail out from Newsletter@ we don't use unknown email addresses to send out the updates. So not taking you up on this offer.

Good god man. I already explained this to you, as did The Doc.

You have a DISPLAY NAME and a REPLY TO ADDRESS. The display name is what appears in the FROM field. The REPLY TO is what email address will get the mail if they hit reply? Right?

OK?

You get that bit?

Cool.

What I am suggesting is you change the DISPLAY NAME to Paul Markham. I am not suggesting you try and mislead anyone with fake names. Is that clear?

I also am offering to buy YOU a month on YNOT mail so you can split test properly and prove that my mails are better. This, again, is not about DECEIVING anyone. It is about using a professional email solution to deliver your mail and test it. You can opt to send it from newsletter@ of you wish. Mr professional advice would be to use Paul Markham rather than Newsletter, but whatever.

Does that make sense yet?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Split testing a tour is simply tweaking results.

Yes. That is right. See, you *do* understand a little of online marketing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Some irrelevant nonsense

So now you understand what I was offering, would you like it?

If not, how are you going to split test the emails? How do you measure open rates, hard bounces and clicks?

Paul Markham · 05-29-2011, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ

You're welcome. See, that wasn't too hard.

Good god man. I already explained this to you, as did The Doc.

You have a DISPLAY NAME and a REPLY TO ADDRESS. The display name is what appears in the FROM field. The REPLY TO is what email address will get the mail if they hit reply? Right?

OK?

You get that bit?

Cool.

What I am suggesting is you change the DISPLAY NAME to Paul Markham. I am not suggesting you try and mislead anyone with fake names. Is that clear?

I also am offering to buy YOU a month on YNOT mail so you can split test properly and prove that my mails are better. This, again, is not about DECEIVING anyone. It is about using a professional email solution to deliver your mail and test it. You can opt to send it from newsletter@ of you wish. Mr professional advice would be to use Paul Markham rather than Newsletter, but whatever.

Does that make sense yet?

Yes. That is right. See, you *do* understand a little of online marketing!

So now you understand what I was offering, would you like it?

If not, how are you going to split test the emails? How do you measure open rates, hard bounces and clicks?

OK, get me this login/pass you promised then we can look into doing the split test on YNOT.

Email me.

tonyparra · 05-29-2011, 05:01 AM

one day ill read this thread....to be honest though from my skims every single one of you are correct and incorrect.

DVTimes · 05-29-2011, 03:52 PM

bump for today

lilith_pet · 05-30-2011, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

there is a direct relation between number of words posted on gfy and monthly income.

Check the long-winded fuckers on here. Their money is way down.

Gotta go...

true

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05-25-2011, 03:34 AM	#503
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05-25-2011, 09:53 AM	#504
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Actually MisterPeabody has a good point. I could be a consultant to sites to improve their revenue. The way I would do it is easy. Look inside their members area at the product. Give constructive helpful advice how to improve that product. Train, guide or advise their shooters how to improve their techniques. Nothing revolutionary, things I've learned over the years often by making the mistakes and improving my techniques as the years went by. My content sold in the top paying markets. I had to learn what would sell and wouldn't. I see elementary mistake all over the place. Yes my style is dated, doesn't mean my knowledge is. The same knowledge that worked years ago works today. The problem as MisterPeabody points out is few could afford me or the solution. It would need an investment in the product over time to get the results. You can't change the members area over night. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-25-2011, 12:27 PM	#506
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05-25-2011, 12:31 PM	#507
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05-25-2011, 04:36 PM	#510
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,960	Heh-heh-heh Paul just laid the smack down! I gotta say I like your style when it comes to getting nasty! The pics of the pups put it over the top! __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-25-2011, 07:50 PM	#511
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05-26-2011, 02:34 AM	#513
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Porn is porn...is porn...and 99.9% of it is boring with much of it being disgusting...in my opinion...(including Markam's) but then again I have not been a fan of porn since I was mid teens and discovered the real thing. The only porn subscription I ever had in my life was to Playboy magazine (I never considered the eye candy to really be porn) and like the cliche it was primarily for the articles of which they had many good ones over the years. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

05-26-2011, 08:45 AM	#515
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	I like your pictures of the puppies. The other pictures you show have no originality or creativity, no use of photography, no use of lighting.... And please remember I am not the one telling the world how it should be done - You are. But this is your fault, you don't read books, you have never done a photographic course, you don't watch films, you live in a great country which has a great photographic and cinema tradition but you remain ignorant of it. You are rude about everyone else and so forgiving of your own crass mistakes. If you think your pictures are hot sexy or good photography you are deluded. You think you can't change lenses on a digital SLR camera. Less writing more reading called for. As I say read some books, watch some good movies, read about photography, then come and teach about framing.... __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

05-26-2011, 09:59 AM	#516
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,507	Everyone should remember something basic about most (not all) people working in Adult: This Industry is filled with people who couldn't get a job doing anything else. It's best to remember that. LOL __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

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05-26-2011, 04:15 PM	#523
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	These are the sort of photographs I enjoy taking... They are of course just support materials to our films such as Barbie's washday Here you can see examples of lighting and editing, the acting pretty lame though. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

05-26-2011, 06:19 PM	#526
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,524	You gotta love Paul

05-27-2011, 02:13 AM	#529
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05-27-2011, 03:10 AM	#533
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	It seems Cherry might be a full time Cinematographer. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0285779/ So need to see some of his porn video work. Stand by what I said about his stills, they are not as good as he makes out. Still wondering if his full time job is in shooting. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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05-28-2011, 09:57 AM	#541
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Shadows are not a problem in photography, in fact light tells a story, builds atmosphere, drama .... The obsession with flat shadow-less lighting was probably for the color printing process back in the day. But now we can have dramatic expressionistic lighting and photography, yes it allowed, the "rules" Markham talks about are very rarely enforced if ever, only result in a minor fine. in fact I can find no reference to them in Langford's "Basic Photography" or his "Advanced Photography" . I hear they are mentioned in a rare and difficult to obtain e-book. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

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