What makes a porn site great?

[Xer0]

Does anyone have an example of a decent porn site?

There are lots of trolls out here - that claim a lot of things and It'd be good to see what's actually popular around these parts.

Come on... don't be shy.

[DangerX !!!]

Yea! Lets see some top notch porn! What makes a site good? I guess content is the king.

[Xer0]

Burning angel isn't doing to bad.
Shout out to Alex.

[BAKO]

moneytalks.com

[fatfoo]

Originally Posted by Xer0

Burning angel isn't doing to bad.
Shout out to Alex.

I like design of this site. The content looks good. I like the header design, even though it looks like there are less pixels.

[bronco67]

How about good porn? No one ever seems to mention having a good product is important.

[DateDoc]

the website is unimportant it is the amount of traffic it gets that counts.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

the website is unimportant it is the amount of traffic it gets that counts.

[lagcam]

Paul Markham.

[NaughtyRob]

Very true, this site www.socalgirls.com is badass but nobody is promoting it hence no traffic.

Originally Posted by DateDoc

the website is unimportant it is the amount of traffic it gets that counts.

[DBS.US]

[marlboroack]

meatspin.com

[Xer0]

Now, I agree that content is King but I also believe that good site design helps convert.

For example, if a site is just annoying to navigate and browse content - then that will put of a visitor or potentially regular member.

[BJ]

pixandvideo.com 1byday.com my faves

[Rofl]

If it's on a .XXX then that is a sure fire way of knowing it is totally safe, highest quality...

Apparantly...

Either that, or 1000 stolen ex-GF/MILF pics should do the trick

[xxxbusiness]

What makes a porn site great?

conversion rate!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

How about good porn? No one ever seems to mention having a good product is important.

I do nothing but talk about it. The problem is so many think their future, what's left of it, is invested in what's not on the site. They will always shout me down. But I won't be quiet.

This industry spends approximately 50% of it's turn over on what's outside the site and 10% on what's on or inside the site. That's 50% spent on affiliates and making sure they're happy and 10% on making members happy.

Go figure why now both are unhappy.

Or to put it another way 50% on teaching surfers not to buy and 10% teaching them to buy, converting and retaining them.

The industry has mainly been shaped to accommodate the traffic model and very little to accommodate the revenue side.

And still when it's clearly wrong you get statements like this.

Originally Posted by DateDoc

the website is unimportant it is the amount of traffic it gets that counts.

The amount of conversions, retention and returning members is the only thing that counts. Unless I've missed something the only thing that brings in money to this business is sign ups.

Maybe DateDoc throws traffic at sites that have tons of traffic and don't convert.

To sell a repeat buy product repeatedly, it has to be a good product. The buyers aren't the same mugs of 1998.

[cooldude7]

content , user friendly i .e . easy navigation, fast response. zero popups or im ads.

[Paul Markham]

This is what makes a great porn site. CONTENT.

Not traffic, not design and they are needed but a great deal of traffic and a great design doesn't make a pornsite great. Look at Tubes, lousy design, loads of content, loads of traffic and lousy conversion ratios.

If you want to make a great porn paysite the top requirement is great content. If you are opening a site to compete with Playboy, Penthouse styles you employ a Playboy, Penthouse shooter. Not someone who has never sold a set to them or never likely to.

If you want a great Gonzo, Amateur or Reality site you employ a great Gonzo, Amateur or Reality shooter and you DON'T shoot in Russia, Czech, Hungary or any country where the girls can't speak a word of English.

And the same goes for all types of porn.

What you don't do is load the site with cheap, repetitive porn that's soul less and shot by people who can't work in the offline porn business because they're cheap.

But what did we do mainly?

And why did we do it?

You all know the answers and where they brought us.

[Paul Markham]

And if it's not obvious. To make be a great site it has to be great content and in some way different from the other sites in it's niche. Too many sites today churn out the same old tired ideas that have been done to death. Even sites from people like Manwin are full of poor to average content with scenarios that were old hat before the Internet came into porn.

And yes there are newish ideas that haven't been completely done to death.

So what stops people?

You can't shoot great porn for the budgets sponsors pay. They are happier to spend 50% of their turnover throwing traffic at it that's not very impressed when it gets to the site and leaves.

[bbobby86]

what is good porn site...?

[HomerSimpson]

Originally Posted by cooldude7

content , user friendly i .e . easy navigation, fast response. zero popups or im ads.

that nails it down...

[umbralui]

your avatar

[seeandsee]

i agree, most of time is CONTENT that makes us horny!

[czarina]

if it's solo: a hot chick, well shot content, and a good design

[martinsc]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

[Phoenix]

top notch porn like the stuff found inside our first to market innovative software

[Paul Markham]

The craziest thing about this is most agree with what I've been saying for 10 years.

[SmutHammer]

hmmm I thought you were supposed to shoot your own content....lol

good simple sight design, high quality content, easy navigation, and a kick-ass affiliate program.

sounds like a recipee for success to me!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by 888works

hmmm I thought you were supposed to shoot your own content....lol

We did, we shot for magazines as our first market. If we had opened a paysite and been serious about it we would of needed English speaking girls. And that would of meant going back to the UK and losing the magazine business.

[busta21]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I do nothing but talk about it. The problem is so many think their future, what's left of it, is invested in what's not on the site. They will always shout me down. But I won't be quiet.

This industry spends approximately 50% of it's turn over on what's outside the site and 10% on what's on or inside the site. That's 50% spent on affiliates and making sure they're happy and 10% on making members happy.

Go figure why now both are unhappy.

Or to put it another way 50% on teaching surfers not to buy and 10% teaching them to buy, converting and retaining them.

The industry has mainly been shaped to accommodate the traffic model and very little to accommodate the revenue side.

And still when it's clearly wrong you get statements like this.



The amount of conversions, retention and returning members is the only thing that counts. Unless I've missed something the only thing that brings in money to this business is sign ups.

Maybe DateDoc throws traffic at sites that have tons of traffic and don't convert.

To sell a repeat buy product repeatedly, it has to be a good product. The buyers aren't the same mugs of 1998.

Send us your traffic we convert 1:600 with the traffic we DO GET. Our product is as HD as it gets with natural looking girls...WE NEED TRAFFIC

[Cherry7]

The best film is not the most successfull film.

The best soft drink is not Coke but marketing investment etc play key roles...


But also porn is a reaction to the censorship of sex, so the more rough and illegal it looks helps in a lot of cultures

and if sex becomes liberated, porn will loose its rational and it will just be erotic.....

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by Xer0

Does anyone have an example of a decent porn site?

There are lots of trolls out here - that claim a lot of things and It'd be good to see what's actually popular around these parts.

Come on... don't be shy.

Depends the market & niche, considering there are 7billion people in the world with very different views over whats hot, erotic & pleasurable.

Most of us like decent quality footage, with charisma & art. If you placed a high quality, closeup photo of a flower with all its beauty in amongst a load of porn photos, most people would flick through the porn, then stop on the flower, because of the creativity & quality of the photo.

The content, the amount is definatly important in all niches. With only a little content in a site, one becomes bored, maybe never to return. The depth & extent of the content is extremely important. Its ok having a crap load of the same but to have lots of different niches taken to the max, available in the same area. No one feels the same everyday, even our fantasises change throughout the month.

These days, also price matters! Everyone wants a deal. You could sell a dead horse to a goat hurder if he was getting a free goat with it...

Content amount, content extremes & content quality all matter with the need for a low cost price.... Hardlife isnt it

[2intense]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

great

[Agent 488]

great content. example: http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by BAKO

moneytalks.com

I'll second that ....

Sites like moneytalks are exactly what I am looking for. But where are they?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

great content. example: http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

I'd pay 3k for a scene like that. Fucking awesome.

FWAP.

[Miz_Wright]

First things first: Define "decent"

Everyone has a different idea of what makes a site worth spending my hard-earned money. Eroticism and sexuality - and the spank that goes along with it - is as diverse as the people with their hands on their pink parts.

For some people, what makes a "decent" porn site is a a site that doesn't bang their card. For some, it's a huge array of content. For others, it's intensely curated content by someone with analogous tastes. Some people give a big boner about design features, or browsibility, or search functions. Others just want to get their spank on.

"Decent" is as broad a margin as "straight porn."

[hollywoodskincompany]

bump this

[Nicky]

freeones is a pretty good site

[Jakez]

A good tour page? Good members area with good retention? Good content? Gotta be more specific.

You can have a great converting tour but bad retention and vice versa.

[chronig]

Originally Posted by busta21

Send us your traffic we convert 1:600 with the traffic we DO GET. Our product is as HD as it gets with natural looking girls...WE NEED TRAFFIC

Asking Paul Markham for traffic!!!

You might get an extra 1 sale a year, at the same ratio.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Look at Tubes, lousy design, loads of content, loads of traffic and lousy conversion ratios.

Tubes have the best design in online adult to date IMO. It's extremely simplistic, everyone knows the universal layout and knows where the "top rated", "most viewed", "categories" etc links are, it is standardized. You can't design a members area much more member friendly than that unfortunately. And that's another reason tubes are so popular. They are setup better than 95% of paysites. Yesssss we know all the free porn is what attracted everyone to them and made them familiar with the design, but that's really besides this point. The design is great, piracy and whatnot aside.

As far as the repeated bland content flooded on most of them and shitty ratios, yeah couldn't agree with you more. HOWEVER, there are thousands of small tubes that turn amazing profits and convert like 2005 or better. You simply choose to only focus on the major ones that hoard the majority of porns freeloaders and can't convert a paysite for shit. There are many different types of tubes. Apparently this is a secret or something to everyone here but, one example of a great tube is one ran by 1-2 people, hand picked QUALITY amateur videos, REAL amateur videos, the homemade stuff, nothing from producers, videos can be any length it doesn't matter but longer videos are best because no one is going to glance twice at a site with a bunch of 2 minute videos, ads placed where ever it doesn't really matter either but around the video player at least, and with nice ads you will have 3%-20% CTR and ratios between 1:50-1:500 and traffic building FAST. Where's the complaint? Of course no free porn available would be the ideal situation, but this is the reality and people have found a way to run a tube that isn't all about free porn and no profit. Don't fucking comment about all the free porn on it because that is a given at this stage in the game or at least irrelevant in the point I'm trying to make. Maybe one day we can find a solution. But for now you CAN build traffic fast as a motherfucker and CONVERT IT. PERIOD.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by Xer0

Does anyone have an example of a decent porn site?

There are lots of trolls out here - that claim a lot of things and It'd be good to see what's actually popular around these parts.

Come on... don't be shy.

A porn site can be a complete pile of shit but still generate revenue if traffic is DRIVEN to it................................................ .................................................. .....

Seems to me that most around here are pansy-assed girlie men, afraid to do anything to DRIVE traffic to their sites.

No Scrapebox, no SENuke, no Xrumber, no REAL SEO, no emailing (Even though mailing for adult is COMPLETELY legal!); no real marketing; only sucking the dick of the Great God Google.

[Chosen]

StraponCum.com

[scarlettcontent]

Scarlett Content makes a good site

[grumpy]

you wont find that answer here. They will try to tell you but they dont know.
When they tell you they know, just ask....show me the money.

[AdultTraffic.info]

Stating the obvious but great to many surfers is free.

[buildingfutures]

Paul, while I do agree with you, a site is still a site. To be great online your design (has to be user-friendly and achieve business goals) and everything around it still count for a LOT.

Yes, content is the way to go, but in this day and age people hardly take you serious if your site looks like shit. Be it porn or mainstream.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

A porn site can be a complete pile of shit but still generate revenue if traffic is DRIVEN to it................................................ .................................................. .....

Seems to me that most around here are pansy-assed girlie men, afraid to do anything to DRIVE traffic to their sites.

No Scrapebox, no SENuke, no Xrumber, no REAL SEO, no emailing (Even though mailing for adult is COMPLETELY legal!); no real marketing; only sucking the dick of the Great God Google.

you suck Sally!!!!!!!!!!!!!