For anyone involved in the Nutracutical business in the US... BE WARNED. :-( - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 07:07 AM

http://www.naturalnews.com/024567_FDA_health_the.html

How the FDA extorts money from nutritional supplement companies
The FDA extortion racket works like this: FDA employees use keyword-scanning software to scan the web pages of natural health product and supplement companies, searching for terms like cancer, cures, treatment, remedies and other "forbidden" words. FDA employees then review the discovered pages to determine if they contain any words that might inform consumers of the health benefits of the nutritional products. FDA employees also look for links that might point web users to scientific articles from peer-reviewed medical journals that further explain the health benefits of specific foods, supplements or nutrients.

When offending words or links are found by the FDA, their extortion team goes into full swing. First, they contact the company and warn them to remove all information and links from their websites. This is the most important step from the FDA's standpoint, because by doing this, they can keep the health-conscious public in a state of nutritional ignorance about the scientifically-supported healing properties of natural supplements. Cherry products, for example, cannot link to scientific articles explaining the simple biological fact that cherries ease inflammation in human beings. Such links are considered "drug claims" by the FDA.

NaturalNews has even learned that companies are now being targeted for simply posting customer testimonials, even when those testimonials make absolutely no health claims. FDA and FTC agents are now threatening the owners of such companies with imprisonment if they do not immediately remove all customer testimonials from their websites and marketing materials.

If the company being targeted for extortion refuses to fully comply with the FDA's requests to remove all educational information from their website, the FDA then escalates the extortion tactics by threatening the company principals with arrest and seizure unless they agree to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to top FDA contractors and sign a "consent decree" where the company "admits" to committing various crimes (see below). This consent decree is a blatant violation of the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, of course, and it violates numerous sections of the Bill of Rights (Amendments #1 and #5, at the very least).

The FDA employees or contractors receiving the extorted money, it is claimed, are being paid to "review web pages" to make sure they don't contain anything that might inform consumers about the scientifically-validated benefits of the health products being sold. FDA extortion agreements specify that FDA employees should be paid the rate of $100 per hour, with no limit on the number of hours they may bill the company for. The extortion agreement also requires companies to pay for all the following:

• $100 per hour for the travel time of FDA employees.
• Hotel rooms for FDA employees.
• Storage fees for all products seized by the FDA.

The same agreement also requires the company to comply with FDA demands by never placing any links or "illegal" information on its website, where "illegal" means anything that offers an accurate description of the health benefits offered by natural health products.

The Consent Decree
Part of the FDA's strategy for oppression and control is to force targeted companies to sign a "consent decree" where they admit to crimes they never committed. NaturalNews obtained a copy of a public court document the FruitFast company was forced to sign due to FDA threats and extortion tactics.

You can view this document yourself at: http://www.NaturalNews.com/investig...

This document requires the FruitFast company to admit to crimes it did not commit; namely:

"Violating the Act, by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce articles of drug that are misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. SS 352(f)(1)."

What "drugs" did the FruitFast company introduce that were "misbranded?" Cherries, it turns out. Cherry juice concentrate was being sold with the accurate statement that it helped eliminate gout (which it does). This, according to the FDA, was enough to magically transform cherry juice into an "unapproved drug" and cause it to be "misbranded."

It also requires targeted companies to contractually agree that they have:

"...removed all claims from Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media that cause that product to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act; and

(ii) removed, from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants, references to or endorsements of any other website that conveys information about Defendants' products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act."

This means, of course, that these companies can no longer even LINK to other websites, including websites of scientific journals that discuss the proven health benefits of such natural products (foods, herbs, etc.)

The truth is now subject to FDA approval
Once a company removes all educational information and links from their website, they are then required to submit to draconian measures of "censorship enforcement" by the FDA. This is fully explained in this section of the FDA's Consent Decree: (bolding added for emphasis)

Within ten (10) calendar days of FDA's request for any labels, labeling, promotional materials, and/or downloaded copies (on CD-Rom) of any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants, Defendants shall submit a copy of the requested materials to FDA at the address specified in paragraph 19.

Within twenty (20) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall submit to FDA a certification of compliance, signed by each of the individually-named Defendants in this matter, each Defendant stating that he: (a) has personally reviewed all of Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and the internet websites referred to in paragraph 8 above; and (b) personally certifies that the product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and internet websites strictly comply with the requirements of the Act and its regulations and do not include unapproved or unauthorized claims that the products cure, mitigate, treat, prevent and/or reduce the risk of disease. Thereafter, Defendants shall submit certifications of compliance every three (3) months for a period of two (2) years.

Furthermore, the FDA then requires that the company being targeted by the extortion racket hire a person (called the "expert") to enforce all this censorship the company has agreed to.

As you'll note in the language below, this "expert" must be paid $100 an hour, for an unlimited number of hours, to conduct surprise inspections of the company's administrative offices, warehouses and fulfillment centers:

Within fourteen (14) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall retain an independent person or persons (the "expert")... who by reason of background, experience, education, and training is qualified to assess Defendants' compliance with the Act, to review the claims Defendants make for all of their products on their product labels, labeling, promotional material, any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants, including, but not limited to, the websites referred to in paragraph 8 above. At the conclusion of the expert's review, the expert shall prepare a written report analyzing whether Defendants are operating in compliance with the Act and in particular, certify whether Defendants have omitted all claims from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media, that make any of their products drugs and/or constitute unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act. The expert shall also review Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants to determine whether these include any references to or endorsements of any other websites that convey information about Defendants' products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act, and certify in the written report whether Defendants have omitted any such references or endorsements. The expert shall submit this report to FDA and Defendants within thirty-five (35) calendar days of the entry of this Decree. If the expert reports any violations of the Act, Defendants shall, within seven (7) calendar days of receipt of the report, correct those deviations, unless FDA notifies Defendants that a shorter time period is necessary.

In other words, this section requires the company being targeted to pay the "Expert" huge fees to make sure it doesn't "illegally" link to other websites that might tell the truth about the health products in question.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/024567_FD...#ixzz1Oh4nrJ5Z

And this article goes on and on.... It's kind of a depressing read, but it has some important info, and they are forming a suit class against the FDA.

.

marketsmart · 06-08-2011, 07:12 AM

i have no sympathy for the nutri companies.. the majority of them fuck over the consumer..

the whole acai berry scam should have been prosecuted and everyone involved should have went to jail....

.

moeloubani · 06-08-2011, 07:14 AM

I wouldn't take anything that Michael has to say as truth, he's an admitted liar and will run away like a little bitch when called out on it.

Hey loser!

woj · 06-08-2011, 07:16 AM

I'm a bit skeptical, there is probably more to the story, as long as you don't blatantly mislead customers you should be fine...

DWB · 06-08-2011, 07:18 AM

Most of them are banging cards anyway. Sorry about their luck.

ottopottomouse · 06-08-2011, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i have no sympathy for the nutri companies.. the majority of them fuck over the consumer..

i have no sympathy for the consumers in this case as they are usually a fat lazy slob that thinks if they buy and eat yet another thing they will magically lose weight.

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

I wouldn't take anything that Michael has to say as truth, he's an admitted liar and will run away like a little bitch when called out on it.

Hey loser!

You are so cute. Please show where I'm an "admitted liar". Are you going to the San Fran show by the way?

.

dyna mo · 06-08-2011, 07:38 AM

lolz, that's a horrible article and completely slanted. i have no problems with the fda enforcing the laws re: what manufacturers can claim their *health* products achieves.

Quote:

The FDA extortion racket works like this: FDA employees use keyword-scanning software to scan the web pages of natural health product and supplement companies, searching for terms like cancer, cures, treatment, remedies and other "forbidden" words.

you mean like google?

Si · 06-08-2011, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

i have no sympathy for the consumers in this case as they are usually a fat lazy slob that thinks if they buy and eat yet another thing they will magically lose weight.

I would have to agree, but people shouldn't be able to get away with it either.

Some people really do need something to help them.

moeloubani · 06-08-2011, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You are so cute. Please show where I'm an "admitted liar". Are you going to the San Fran show by the way?

.

Shut up loser.

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Shut up loser.

That's what I thought. Just another keyboard warrior, who, when called out to prove his accusations and asked to discuss his issues face to face, rolls up his carpet and creeps away.

.

moeloubani · 06-08-2011, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

That's what I thought. Just another keyboard warrior, who, when called out to prove his accusations and asked to discuss his issues face to face, rolls up his carpet and creeps away.

.

Who was it that made a thread calling me out and then ran away like a little bitch? Yeah, that's right. Way to describe yourself perfectly you little goyim.

Like I said, shut up. When you see me posting, fuck off. I'm your superior, you're my little bitch. I'll tell you what to do. You had your chance to man up and instead took the hiding like a bitch route and like a little bitch you will be treated.

Bitch.

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 08:02 AM

There are some issues here that you guys aren't paying attention to. I'm not talking about the fraudulent nutracutical guys here, this article is talking about total abuse by the FDA.

For Example:
Between 1992 and 1996, FDA prohibited companies that sell folic acid from telling women of childbearing age that .4 mg of folic acid daily before pregnancy could reduce the incidence of neural tube defects (including spina bifida and encephaly) by 40%. FDA�s censorship contributed to a preventable 10,000 neural tube defect births.
Between 1994 to 2000, FDA prohibited companies that sell omega-3 fatty acids from telling Americans that those fatty acids found in fish oil could reduce the risk of coronary heart disease by as much as 50%. FDA�s censorship contributed to a preventable 1.8 million sudden death heart attacks.
Between 2000 and the present, FDA prohibits companies that sell saw palmetto extract (the fruit of the dwarf American palm tree) from telling Americans that saw palmetto reduces enlarged prostates and relieves related symptoms. Approximately 50% of all men age 50 and older suffer from enlarged prostates and are denied access to this information.
Between 2000 and the present, FDA prohibits companies that sell glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate from telling Americans that those dietary ingredients treat osteoarthritis and relieve osteoarthritic pain and stiffness. Approximately 20 million Americans suffer needlessly from osteoarthritis.

FDA censors every claim that a dietary ingredient treats disease, regardless of the proof in support of the claim. FDA only allows drug companies to make claims of treatment. It protects a monopoly for those companies at the expense of the health and freedom of the American people.

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Who was it that made a thread calling me out and then ran away like a little bitch? Yeah, that's right. Way to describe yourself perfectly you little goyim.

Like I said, shut up. When you see me posting, fuck off. I'm your superior, you're my little bitch. I'll tell you what to do. You had your chance to man up and instead took the hiding like a bitch route and like a little bitch you will be treated.

Bitch.

I ran away? Really? I told you to contact me in that thread. You didn't. End of story.
No "admitted liar", or anything else that you describe. Of course you won't tell me if you are going to San Fran or not.

You are the only one in this discussion that does NOT have his contact info posted, and does NOT want to say if he is going to be at a show. I'M the bitch here?

Look at the funny man! Tickle tickle tickle!!

.

marketsmart · 06-08-2011, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

There are some issues here that you guys aren't paying attention to. I'm not talking about the fraudulent nutracutical guys here, this article is talking about total abuse by the FDA.

the FDA is a joke.. just like any govt agency, they make decisions based on getting their palms greased...

go read all the stuff on aspartame. that should have never been approved.. but then when you see who was involved, you will realize how corrupt the FDA is..

big pharm is also a huge player in FDA regulation. any product that will cut into their profits will be scrutinized by the FDA..

on the flip side, the supplement industry has had free reign for quite some time and a lot of products made claims that might put peoples safety at risk..

their needs to be some middle ground...

.

moeloubani · 06-08-2011, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I ran away? Really? I told you to contact me in that thread. You didn't. End of story.
No "admitted liar", or anything else that you describe. Of course you won't tell me if you are going to San Fran or not.

You are the only one in this discussion that does NOT have his contact info posted, and does NOT want to say if he is going to be at a show. I'M the bitch here?

Look at the funny man! Tickle tickle tickle!!

.

I said shut up you little bitch. You have my contact info, you can find me in that same thread you called me out. This is my contact info here. You called me out, and I said go on and show me what you have, out in public. You ran away like a scared bitch.

Don't pretend otherwise, little bitch.

I'm not up for having a friendly chat with you. You aren't my friend. You are my bitch, a little toy that I use whenever I want to waste some time like right now. You will never be my friend, so stop trying, little bitch.

Should I show you the thread and show you how many times I replied? Just so anyone reading can see just how scared you are of me and just how much of a little bitch you are, little bitch.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1023437

There it is, little bitch. You can read, can't you? You must be a real fucking loser to keep running away from fights that YOU started, little bitch. I'm not going to the show but I wish I could go so I could say these things to your face and watch as you're humiliated in front of everyone, watch you tear up like a little bitch would and beg me to stop.

tony286 · 06-08-2011, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

lolz, that's a horrible article and completely slanted. i have no problems with the fda enforcing the laws re: what manufacturers can claim their *health* products achieves.

you mean like google?

thank you

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

I'm not going to the show but I wish I could go so I could say these things to your face and watch as you're humiliated in front of everyone, watch you tear up like a little bitch would and beg me to stop.

You're wish is my command, oh great and powerful one!

Just let me know which show you will be attending, and I will gladly talk to you face to face and "tear up like a little bitch would" and beg you to stop!

Which shows are you going to this year. I want to make you happy!

(Thanks for this! You are better than coffee in the morning!

)

.

TubeSubmitters · 06-08-2011, 08:36 AM

cliff notes?

moeloubani · 06-08-2011, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You're wish is my command, oh great and powerful one!

Just let me know which show you will be attending, and I will gladly talk to you face to face and "tear up like a little bitch would" and beg you to stop!

Which shows are you going to this year. I want to make you happy!

(Thanks for this! You are better than coffee in the morning!

)

.

You've been known to run away like a little bitch after calling someone out. But next time I go to a show if I see your silly looking face around I'll be sure to come by so you can see my face and then turn and run like the coward bitch you are.

Until then, keep on being a little bitch goy.

sperbonzo · 06-08-2011, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

You've been known to run away like a little bitch after calling someone out. But next time I go to a show if I see your silly looking face around I'll be sure to come by so you can see my face and then turn and run like the coward bitch you are.

Until then, keep on being a little bitch goy.

So you aren't going to tell me which show it's going to be?

Awwwwww...! Pretty please? I want to be sure I will be there so you can make me "run like a coward"

.

moeloubani · 06-08-2011, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So you aren't going to tell me which show it's going to be?

Awwwwww...! Pretty please? I want to be sure I will be there so you can make me "run like a coward"

.

You're here now and you're running like a coward, don't know why you want to feel that twice. But I guess being a loser is in your blood and you can't help it so I'll let you know when I know what show it's going to be, then again you might just say I didn't contact you even though I did, like you did on here, little bitch.

And it was 'run like a coward bitch' that part is important because you're less than a coward, you're a coward bitch.

F-U-Jimmy · 06-08-2011, 09:11 AM

The government should shut down the FDA, it's the biggest scam in the USA.

I use black Cherry Juice to combat gout ( excessive Uric Acid in the Blood) (yep im full of piss

) It works very well and cost far less than taking drugs that have untold side effects. Just listen to the Uloric adverts on TV with all the side effect warnings. So far I have never heard of anyone dying from Black Cherry Juice ?

I also had an enlarged prostate and an all natural Prostate Power RX table once a day reduce it down to almost normal size after 3 months.

As to the Acie crap it was never a wait-loss supplement. I sold literally thousands of pounds of the raw frozen pulp through my restaurants as a breakfast dish mixed with bananas and or strawberries and some bee pollen/coconut it made a great tasting meal but as far as I am aware no one lost weight in fact probably the opposite as it is full of natural sugar ? Customers told me they loved the taste and felt a little buzz ( probably due to a small amount of natural caffeine present in the Acie pulp )?

Oh and what about Laser Cessation Therapy, clinics are all over Europe treating people who want to quite smoking without side effects and they get great results.

In the USA to open a clinic you need to join the FDA clinical study that to my knowledge has been running now for 8 years or more had hundreds of thousands of documented success stories submitted to the FDA (on their specially formatted questionnaires) without a single adverse side effect and still no approval. Yet if you are a drug company that pays out hundreds of thousands of $ to have the FDA do a test on your drug it will get passed in less than three months, testing the drug on 500 subjects! I also hear that if a person dies during the FDA test its classed as an acceptable risk and still passed.

Fuck the FDA and all who work there

BFT3K · 06-08-2011, 09:17 AM

More good news here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_872862.html

Revolution is in the air!

SmokeyTheBear · 06-08-2011, 10:51 AM

Quote:

never placing any links or "illegal" information on its website, where "illegal" means anything that offers an accurate description of the health benefits offered by natural health products.

sounds like fair reporting to me

L-Pink · 06-08-2011, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

i have no sympathy for the consumers in this case as they are usually a fat lazy slob that thinks if they buy and eat yet another thing they will magically lose weight.

Many of those poor people will try anything to help themselves and lying cocksuckers or card bangers should go to prison for trying to rip them off with bogus clams or shady billing. Not everyone is as smart as you remember.

L-Pink · 06-08-2011, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

the whole acai berry scam should have been prosecuted and everyone involved should have went to jail....
.

What's the story on acai berries? I have some in juice form everyday with other fruits in a blender. Is the "scam" health claims or just the marketing/billing?

.

jigg · 06-08-2011, 11:21 AM

the FDA being dirty? Shocker, not... considering how regular pharma has to pay up tons of money, and how the FDA pockets the cash and ignores stats showing some drugs are actually killing people!

dyna mo · 06-08-2011, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's the story on acai berries? I have some in juice form everyday with other fruits in a blender. Is the "scam" health claims or just the marketing/billing?

.

acai berries are known for their high antioxidant value. they were discovered to have 1000s x more than blueberries. the claims re: the real benefits of antioxidants are not really backed up with solid long term research, not saying antioxidants are not good for you, they are, but not a lot of research about them is out there.

other berries have since been shown to have higher nutritional value than acai, such as goji berries.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-08-2011, 11:42 AM

I made it to the first sentence and decided how does this relate to porn?

KillerK · 06-08-2011, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i have no sympathy for the nutri companies.. the majority of them fuck over the consumer..

the whole acai berry scam should have been prosecuted and everyone involved should have went to jail....

.

really, so what do you think about porn?

MrMaxwell · 06-08-2011, 04:35 PM

I don't know how crooked health and wellness businesses are but I know damned well that the FDA is a pack of lying thieving scum

Look what they're trying to do.. the lies they're spreading and illegal action they're taking against electronic cigarettes while being OPENLY in bed with big tobacco companies...

That will tell you all that you need to know

Coup · 06-08-2011, 04:39 PM

I hear that colloidal silver is some good stuff. Drink up!

L-Pink · 06-08-2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerK

really, so what do you think about porn?

Watching people fuck or getting fucked by fraudulent billing practices?

V_RocKs · 06-08-2011, 06:01 PM

Flood them with more work!

uno · 06-08-2011, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

More good news here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_872862.html

Revolution is in the air!

I am almost 100% sure the Umbrella Corporation from Resident Evil is based on that company.

CaptainHowdy · 06-08-2011, 06:12 PM

MediaGuy · 06-08-2011, 06:27 PM

[QUOTE=sperbonzo;18202092]http://www.naturalnews.com/024567_FDA_health_the.html[/quote[

Not going to quote the whole post, but the FDA has gotten even weirder than their drug schedule from the 1970s would suggest...

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

I wouldn't take anything that Michael has to say as truth, he's an admitted liar and will run away like a little bitch when called out on it.

Hey loser!

Work on the quoted source before you start your ad hominem stuff, please.

:D

marketsmart · 06-08-2011, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerK

really, so what do you think about porn?

i think that there's a few companies where their owners should be jailed for fraud as well...

surprisingly, one of the biggest fraudsters in porn was also the biggest fraudster in nutris..

would you like to take a guess as to who that was?

it should also come as no surprise that the true mastermind behind that company has been defrauding consumers and banks since the mid 90's and no its not some little boy who wears sunglasses at night...

with that being said, i wish i had their bank accounts because they are in the 100's of millions of dollars and it looks like they will never have to pay for their crimes...

it seems that crime does pay after all...

.

.

06-08-2011, 07:16 AM	#4
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	I'm a bit skeptical, there is probably more to the story, as long as you don't blatantly mislead customers you should be fine... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

06-08-2011, 08:02 AM	#13
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	There are some issues here that you guys aren't paying attention to. I'm not talking about the fraudulent nutracutical guys here, this article is talking about total abuse by the FDA. For Example: Between 1992 and 1996, FDA prohibited companies that sell folic acid from telling women of childbearing age that .4 mg of folic acid daily before pregnancy could reduce the incidence of neural tube defects (including spina bifida and encephaly) by 40%. FDA�s censorship contributed to a preventable 10,000 neural tube defect births. Between 1994 to 2000, FDA prohibited companies that sell omega-3 fatty acids from telling Americans that those fatty acids found in fish oil could reduce the risk of coronary heart disease by as much as 50%. FDA�s censorship contributed to a preventable 1.8 million sudden death heart attacks. Between 2000 and the present, FDA prohibits companies that sell saw palmetto extract (the fruit of the dwarf American palm tree) from telling Americans that saw palmetto reduces enlarged prostates and relieves related symptoms. Approximately 50% of all men age 50 and older suffer from enlarged prostates and are denied access to this information. Between 2000 and the present, FDA prohibits companies that sell glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate from telling Americans that those dietary ingredients treat osteoarthritis and relieve osteoarthritic pain and stiffness. Approximately 20 million Americans suffer needlessly from osteoarthritis. FDA censors every claim that a dietary ingredient treats disease, regardless of the proof in support of the claim. FDA only allows drug companies to make claims of treatment. It protects a monopoly for those companies at the expense of the health and freedom of the American people. __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

06-08-2011, 08:36 AM	#19
TubeSubmitters Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,683	cliff notes? __________________ Buying sites with income, paying by paxum, hit me up

06-08-2011, 09:11 AM	#23
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	The government should shut down the FDA, it's the biggest scam in the USA. I use black Cherry Juice to combat gout ( excessive Uric Acid in the Blood) (yep im full of piss ) It works very well and cost far less than taking drugs that have untold side effects. Just listen to the Uloric adverts on TV with all the side effect warnings. So far I have never heard of anyone dying from Black Cherry Juice ? I also had an enlarged prostate and an all natural Prostate Power RX table once a day reduce it down to almost normal size after 3 months. As to the Acie crap it was never a wait-loss supplement. I sold literally thousands of pounds of the raw frozen pulp through my restaurants as a breakfast dish mixed with bananas and or strawberries and some bee pollen/coconut it made a great tasting meal but as far as I am aware no one lost weight in fact probably the opposite as it is full of natural sugar ? Customers told me they loved the taste and felt a little buzz ( probably due to a small amount of natural caffeine present in the Acie pulp )? Oh and what about Laser Cessation Therapy, clinics are all over Europe treating people who want to quite smoking without side effects and they get great results. In the USA to open a clinic you need to join the FDA clinical study that to my knowledge has been running now for 8 years or more had hundreds of thousands of documented success stories submitted to the FDA (on their specially formatted questionnaires) without a single adverse side effect and still no approval. Yet if you are a drug company that pays out hundreds of thousands of $ to have the FDA do a test on your drug it will get passed in less than three months, testing the drug on 500 subjects! I also hear that if a person dies during the FDA test its classed as an acceptable risk and still passed. Fuck the FDA and all who work there __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

06-08-2011, 11:21 AM	#28
jigg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,527	the FDA being dirty? Shocker, not... considering how regular pharma has to pay up tons of money, and how the FDA pockets the cash and ignores stats showing some drugs are actually killing people! __________________ ...... eight,eight,two,eight,eight,four,two ......

06-08-2011, 07:07 AM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	For anyone involved in the Nutracutical business in the US... BE WARNED. :-( http://www.naturalnews.com/024567_FDA_health_the.html How the FDA extorts money from nutritional supplement companies The FDA extortion racket works like this: FDA employees use keyword-scanning software to scan the web pages of natural health product and supplement companies, searching for terms like cancer, cures, treatment, remedies and other "forbidden" words. FDA employees then review the discovered pages to determine if they contain any words that might inform consumers of the health benefits of the nutritional products. FDA employees also look for links that might point web users to scientific articles from peer-reviewed medical journals that further explain the health benefits of specific foods, supplements or nutrients. When offending words or links are found by the FDA, their extortion team goes into full swing. First, they contact the company and warn them to remove all information and links from their websites. This is the most important step from the FDA's standpoint, because by doing this, they can keep the health-conscious public in a state of nutritional ignorance about the scientifically-supported healing properties of natural supplements. Cherry products, for example, cannot link to scientific articles explaining the simple biological fact that cherries ease inflammation in human beings. Such links are considered "drug claims" by the FDA. NaturalNews has even learned that companies are now being targeted for simply posting customer testimonials, even when those testimonials make absolutely no health claims. FDA and FTC agents are now threatening the owners of such companies with imprisonment if they do not immediately remove all customer testimonials from their websites and marketing materials. If the company being targeted for extortion refuses to fully comply with the FDA's requests to remove all educational information from their website, the FDA then escalates the extortion tactics by threatening the company principals with arrest and seizure unless they agree to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to top FDA contractors and sign a "consent decree" where the company "admits" to committing various crimes (see below). This consent decree is a blatant violation of the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, of course, and it violates numerous sections of the Bill of Rights (Amendments #1 and #5, at the very least). The FDA employees or contractors receiving the extorted money, it is claimed, are being paid to "review web pages" to make sure they don't contain anything that might inform consumers about the scientifically-validated benefits of the health products being sold. FDA extortion agreements specify that FDA employees should be paid the rate of $100 per hour, with no limit on the number of hours they may bill the company for. The extortion agreement also requires companies to pay for all the following: • $100 per hour for the travel time of FDA employees. • Hotel rooms for FDA employees. • Storage fees for all products seized by the FDA. The same agreement also requires the company to comply with FDA demands by never placing any links or "illegal" information on its website, where "illegal" means anything that offers an accurate description of the health benefits offered by natural health products. The Consent Decree Part of the FDA's strategy for oppression and control is to force targeted companies to sign a "consent decree" where they admit to crimes they never committed. NaturalNews obtained a copy of a public court document the FruitFast company was forced to sign due to FDA threats and extortion tactics. You can view this document yourself at: http://www.NaturalNews.com/investig... This document requires the FruitFast company to admit to crimes it did not commit; namely: "Violating the Act, by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce articles of drug that are misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. SS 352(f)(1)." What "drugs" did the FruitFast company introduce that were "misbranded?" Cherries, it turns out. Cherry juice concentrate was being sold with the accurate statement that it helped eliminate gout (which it does). This, according to the FDA, was enough to magically transform cherry juice into an "unapproved drug" and cause it to be "misbranded." It also requires targeted companies to contractually agree that they have: "...removed all claims from Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media that cause that product to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act; and (ii) removed, from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants, references to or endorsements of any other website that conveys information about Defendants' products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act." This means, of course, that these companies can no longer even LINK to other websites, including websites of scientific journals that discuss the proven health benefits of such natural products (foods, herbs, etc.) The truth is now subject to FDA approval Once a company removes all educational information and links from their website, they are then required to submit to draconian measures of "censorship enforcement" by the FDA. This is fully explained in this section of the FDA's Consent Decree: (bolding added for emphasis) Within ten (10) calendar days of FDA's request for any labels, labeling, promotional materials, and/or downloaded copies (on CD-Rom) of any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants, Defendants shall submit a copy of the requested materials to FDA at the address specified in paragraph 19. Within twenty (20) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall submit to FDA a certification of compliance, signed by each of the individually-named Defendants in this matter, each Defendant stating that he: (a) has personally reviewed all of Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and the internet websites referred to in paragraph 8 above; and (b) personally certifies that the product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and internet websites strictly comply with the requirements of the Act and its regulations and do not include unapproved or unauthorized claims that the products cure, mitigate, treat, prevent and/or reduce the risk of disease. Thereafter, Defendants shall submit certifications of compliance every three (3) months for a period of two (2) years. Furthermore, the FDA then requires that the company being targeted by the extortion racket hire a person (called the "expert") to enforce all this censorship the company has agreed to. As you'll note in the language below, this "expert" must be paid $100 an hour, for an unlimited number of hours, to conduct surprise inspections of the company's administrative offices, warehouses and fulfillment centers: Within fourteen (14) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall retain an independent person or persons (the "expert")... who by reason of background, experience, education, and training is qualified to assess Defendants' compliance with the Act, to review the claims Defendants make for all of their products on their product labels, labeling, promotional material, any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants, including, but not limited to, the websites referred to in paragraph 8 above. At the conclusion of the expert's review, the expert shall prepare a written report analyzing whether Defendants are operating in compliance with the Act and in particular, certify whether Defendants have omitted all claims from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media, that make any of their products drugs and/or constitute unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act. The expert shall also review Defendants' product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants to determine whether these include any references to or endorsements of any other websites that convey information about Defendants' products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act, and certify in the written report whether Defendants have omitted any such references or endorsements. The expert shall submit this report to FDA and Defendants within thirty-five (35) calendar days of the entry of this Decree. If the expert reports any violations of the Act, Defendants shall, within seven (7) calendar days of receipt of the report, correct those deviations, unless FDA notifies Defendants that a shorter time period is necessary. In other words, this section requires the company being targeted to pay the "Expert" huge fees to make sure it doesn't "illegally" link to other websites that might tell the truth about the health products in question. Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/024567_FD...#ixzz1Oh4nrJ5Z And this article goes on and on.... It's kind of a depressing read, but it has some important info, and they are forming a suit class against the FDA. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber Last edited by sperbonzo; 06-08-2011 at 07:08 AM..

06-08-2011, 07:12 AM	#2
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	i have no sympathy for the nutri companies.. the majority of them fuck over the consumer.. the whole acai berry scam should have been prosecuted and everyone involved should have went to jail.... .

06-08-2011, 07:14 AM	#3
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	I wouldn't take anything that Michael has to say as truth, he's an admitted liar and will run away like a little bitch when called out on it. Hey loser!

06-08-2011, 07:18 AM	#5
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Most of them are banging cards anyway. Sorry about their luck.

06-08-2011, 09:17 AM	#24
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	More good news here... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_872862.html Revolution is in the air!

06-08-2011, 11:42 AM	#30
ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,241	I made it to the first sentence and decided how does this relate to porn?

06-08-2011, 04:35 PM	#32
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	I don't know how crooked health and wellness businesses are but I know damned well that the FDA is a pack of lying thieving scum Look what they're trying to do.. the lies they're spreading and illegal action they're taking against electronic cigarettes while being OPENLY in bed with big tobacco companies... That will tell you all that you need to know

06-08-2011, 04:39 PM	#33
Coup 🚨 PBBC International 🚨 Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: /👁\ Posts: 9,931	I hear that colloidal silver is some good stuff. Drink up!

06-08-2011, 06:01 PM	#35
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,406	Flood them with more work!

06-08-2011, 06:12 PM	#37
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,305	__________________ "Tjeezers.cam wishes you a nice day”