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all it takes is one.. I've watched the trial from start to finish and the state fucked it up... Personally I think she will walk or involuntary manslaughter .... for sure it's nto first degree murder .. (well I think it is but the state has not proved beyond a reasonable doubt" little school for the unknowing... in criminal like this the burden is on the state to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.. the defense did pleanty to bring doubt into my mind.... I personally think the whole fucking family is in on it..... in civil and in criminal probation revo cases and stuff like that you just have to prove "more likley than not" 2 tottally different things... now once the state fucks this up she will walk and be free due to double jeopardy ... all the better though.. in jail she'd have 24 hour security .. on the outside she's free to all angry mothers..... not a jury in the world would convict a mother killing casey.. I know I wouldn;t
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bitch killed the kid to fuck the asshole guy
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and then say this " But, I can tell you for certain as a professional in common sense, That women did not wrap duct tape around her daughters head and suffocated her so she died " As a student of common sense I'd like to understand what seems to be conflicting statements ![]() |
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If you were trying to kill your daughter with a drug why then kill her with duct tape? Doesn't it make more sense that she accidentally killed her (possibly by drug overdose) then stuck the heart sticker on her mouth and wrapped her in a bag and closed bag with duct tape? She obviously killed her but what I, and many others, are saying is it was "likely" not a methodical planned out murder. The outcome of such a murder is another murder by state. |
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Once the child is asleep the duct tape was placed over the mouth and nose which would effectively suffocate the child painlessly except for some involuntary body spasms of resistance. It would be a gentle way to kill some one much like one would put their pet to rest as opposed to blasting their head off with a shotgun starting from the feet and working your way up. What I stated above its what the state is trying to prove. You clearly say the she killed the child which is murder. The state's case shows premeditation. With all that you've heard in testimony, can you give another possible way she killed the child? |
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she is 100% a crazy bitch who killed her child.
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She called the non-existent Nanny... Zanny the Nanny. It was an inside joke that she used Zanax to make her daughter sleep at night and she could go party. She had no job nor money so found another drug... chloroform... to make her sleep. She woke up one morning and realized her daughter was dead. In Florida negligence of a child leading to death is also a capital punishment which is why she didn't say what she did. Just a scenerio but makes more "common sense" to me then what state is presenting. |
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" She called the non-existent Nanny... Zanny the Nanny. It was an inside joke that she used Zanax to make her daughter sleep at night and she could go party." Very early in the investigation an actual Zanedia Gonzalas (sp) was found. The closest connection she had to Casey Anthony was she had looked into renting an apartment in the same complex as one of Casey's friends. The woman was quickly cleared as to having anything to do with Casey and in turn filed a civil suit against Casey for using her name and getting her involved. While Casey referred to the non existent person as Zanny the Nanny, the Xanax link was brought up by a caller to the Nancy Grace show as a theory. Casey was not found with Xanax in her possession nor did anyone testify that they saw her give Xanax to the child. Since none of that was true it wasn't given as evidence in court other than to show her ability to lie and deceive. " She had no job nor money so found another drug... chloroform... to make her sleep." Any girl with more than an A Cup can get some douche-bag to buy her drugs or get her high. She gave her the Chloroform because of its availability, not having to involve someone else to get it and it would be the easiest to give the child. " She woke up one morning and realized her daughter was dead. In Florida negligence of a child leading to death is also a capital punishment which is why she didn't say what she did." The defense claims the child drowned and the father recovered the body. They did absolutely nothing to prove their statement regardless of the burden of proof. The state presented testimony regarding the duct tape, chloroform, body in the trunk, tattoo and the behavior after the last time Caysee was seen by anyone. Not a slam dunk but very circumstantial. You seem to want to believe that a Mom is incapable of killing her child. Sadly it happens. It happens far too often and sometimes in a very heinous manner. |
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I don't watch the shit or pay attention, it actually annoys me all this fuss over it for all these years, but from what I've heard it sounds like the father abused the mother all her life, and then was abusing his grand daughter, so the daughter killed her daughter to save her the shitty life that she grew up in, and she is trying to pin the blame on her father. Am I close?
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Yes, that's true and I'm well aware of that fact, but it still doesn't dissuade me from pointing out how annoying it is in some trials, like this one.
It's a good judges' job, however, to keep the proceedings focused and moving along. (which is why he alone decides relevance on every objected point). Nothing at all wrong with a judge that realizes the defense (or prosecution as well) is getting off track and into things that don't mean a hoot to this trial, he has the discretion to tell the idiot lawyer to move along and get back onto relevant facts. But this judge just seems to sit there letting the guy wander as far off topic as he wants.
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That being said, I stick by my intuition and don't believe she killed her willingly. Another scenerio: Taking a swim with daughter and phone rings. You remember the pic of kaylee diving into pool? Well those body suits have been known to float a child but float them on their stomache. That could have happened as well. Another scenerio: Mother got drunk and left diaper bag in crib, in the diaper bag was a bottle of aspirin. Aspirin was open bc mother gave half a pill to her daughter, kaylee ended up finding the bottle and eating all the pills. Also, my daughters name is kayLa and casey is a spitting image of my ex wife so I got very caught up in this trial |
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So, not guilty.
It's interesting to read all the threads now, especially those that say the parents should be outraged that a killer is still out there and needs to be caught, the prosecution is going to try and pin it on somebody else. The defense already said they knew she died and it was an accidental drowning. How accidental was the drowning, was it drowning, etc.? Nobody knows but I will stick to my assumptions that she did not willingly kill her girl. Could have very well been an accident but negligence was the cause... that's still felony 1 murder. It sure has been the talk of the media for years now and they have destroyed many innocent lives along the way. |
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Do you think she'll activate her Myspace & Facebook pages?
I am sure, there are a bunch of hero's out there, she's gonna get lynched. |
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I think given the defense's version of events they made a mistake in not including that in the lesser charges. Possibly they could take another crack at it from that angle down the road, but I doubt it. If you believe the defense's version of events there are still other charges they could bring her up on, because believe she did it purposely or it was an accident that spun out of control, wrapping a child's corpse in duct tape, triple bagging it, and hiding it in the woods is illegal. Even if it was done at her father's behest and with his cooperation (which I also doubt), that's still some illegal shit. But again, I don't see it happening. They could, I just don't think they will. |
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Unreal. She walks.
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Just because she was FOUND “Not Guilty”, doesn't mean she is INNOCENT. (She Killed Her)
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Of course that is merely the pop culture viewpoint. Legally speaking, Casey Anthony is in fact INNOCENT. Why? Because EVERYONE by default is innocent until they are found guilty. Since Casey Anthony was never found guilty (of murder) she remains in her default status as INNOCENT. This legally speaking of course. |
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This case stinks to high heaven.
Why did she not call anyone for a month? Who buried that child's remains? Horrible.
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The state fucked up because they didn't offer a report on the computer activity on June 16th when they presented their case. They didn't even pull the report on the computer activity until the defense began their case. I don't know how closely you followed things but I think it was during the first week of the defense's case in a early morning hearing the state provided a copy of the computer records from the Anthony home computer for June 16th which purportedly contained IM logs that establish Casey was in the home with Caylee after George had left for work. They planned to present it in their rebuttal, but because the defense didn't attempt to enter into evidence any testimony in their case that might question or establish the timeline of events on June 16th the report could not be entered by the state. Opening statements aren't case evidence. Jose Baez never went at George Anthony on the stand about the events of June 16th in the defense's case. My hunch is for the jurors it probably didn't come down to what they thought of Casey, or what they thought of Jose Baez or John Ashton.. in the end the state needed the jurors to believe points of George and Cindy's testimony and the entire family at various moments purgered themselves on the stand. If you discount all of the Anthony family tesimony- without having entered into evidence the cell tower and home computer information and establishing that as evidence from the beginning the state can't make a case, and throwing away all the testimony from any of those individuals having all been caught in various lies is up to the juror's prerogative. It is what it is. You don't get do-overs. |
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She got acquitted because the state made a case out of information obtained over the years to be proven "tainted". Example, testimony from her father. What father ever would knowingly make statements on the stand, in the final hours, that not only conflict with original statements but said in a manner that would lead to her daughters execution? Think about that for a second? He was a cop and knew exactly how cases get tried. Is it so far fetched that Caylee actually drowned by accident? Well the answer is no by a jury of 12 people in 11 hours saying, all you have given me is a possible story and fuck you florida for putting me through your attempt of a lynching! |
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Whether she did it on purpose or by accident and then attempted to cover it up, fact is whatever she did she got away with it. Like Shelly said the state failed to fully prove their case. Now she's free, free of her 'burden', and can soon party like she always wanted to.
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A few of the reasons I don't find the pool drowning plausable- I don't believe if George found his granddaughter drowned in the pool he would not attempt CPR, or call 911. I agree the whole family is shady, but as dysfunctional as the family is I feel the one thing that was established is the grandparents loved and cared for their granddaughter. I also can find no reasonable explanation for duct tape to be placed over a child's face other than homicide. It may not have been premeditated murder, the tape may have been placed there in a fit of rage, but there is no logical reason to put duct tape on a corpse. It also doesn't make alot of sense why someone would dress an accident to appear to be a homicide, but if I were to believe if a former police officer was going to stage a kidnapping / homicide to the point they applied duct tape to the child's face that person would also invest the time and effort to place the body away from their home. Why not pull a Melinda Duckett and place it somewhere alligators could get to it? Not a ditch walking distance from the house. And why triple bag it preserving it with evidence from your own home? If george had a hand in the duct taping of that baby why would he allow himself to be seen with and continue to use something in public that is traceable and ties back to the crime. In my mind it doesn't make sense. I think the duct tape was tainted by shotty handling in the fbi lab, they have admitted it was accidentally handled by staff members who were not wearing gloves. However I do believe that child's body was in the trunk of that car, which can be established was in the custody of Casey. She even texted her friends that the smell was from a dead animal plastered to the frame and after she ditched it she told them it was in the shop to get the animal remains removed. Not to mention the numerous times it was proposed to her by law enforcement that it might have been an accident, and was explained to her that had it been an accident she would receive a lesser sentence. They were offering her pleas all the way up until the body was found. This is just some of what I got out of the evidence. Just my opinion, and I offer it respectfully. As you have been touched by this case, besides my association with the guys at Cast Iron I find myself deeply touched and disturbed that a child died and no one in it's immediate family seems to REALLY care (the grandparents seem to, but not as much as they care for Casey, or themselves for that matter). It is an important element of a trial, how much is hard to say, that there is a family presence in the court to represent the victim. Everyone in that family had their own motives, and none of them put that child before themselves. ![]() |
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her dad raped her. who would want that hell spawn?
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hilarious. you are all robot brainwashed sheep like bad actors from a salem witch trial horror b movie.
turn off the tv and internet. think for yourself. stop being mob zombies. good for her. justice was served. |
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i gotta wonder if there was an element of...jury got tired of the endless trial, the loss of 2 summer holidays...the weak evidence of what actually happened...& said fuck it, lets acquit & go home. They ignored very compelling circumstancial evidence. Shit they didnt even debate it.
I'll bet a million dollars some jurors eventually regret their verdict, just like OJ. Imagine one of them has the balls to go on nancy grace. They would get creamed. |
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Yes jury was tired and also missed 2 holidays... that being memorial day as well as 4th of july. But the kicker is Ashton, he was smug, rude, and simply quite annoying. Why do you think a total stranger would flip him the middle finger? Because he did exactly what pisses a lot of people off... The case was just a "theory" of what happened. We all know the girl was involved but the problem is if she said "what" actually happened it would have indicted her on negligence ultimately landing her life in bars. So she did what she had to. Baez really, really made the best possible comment of all time which... in my mind... led to the acquittal of Casey. That comment was... That my friends rung true to the jury as this case has been fucked from the get go. Coupled with time stamp dates on the evidence that can easily be off... likely suggested by the IT guy on the jury. That... in my opinion... is how it went down |
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shelly that was just wrong
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Can you believe she is getting away with murder? and the USA gets upset about a little porn?? what is this world cumming too??
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Shelly, are you Nancy Grace?
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Had to bring some lolz. Shit's been too serious lately.
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Ms. Shelly could not ever be anything like Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace is a disgusting horrible trouble making mess.
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For the record I think Nancy Grace is a pit bull in a blonde wig. |
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