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drmadcat · 07-02-2011, 09:44 PM

im new to vps and really like vps.net but they say that there server is not managed

is it easy to manage a server

the only experiences ive had with hosting is a basic hosting package with godaddy.com

AdultKing · 07-02-2011, 09:47 PM

How well do you know Linux ?

If you understand *nix, apache, php, basic security etc you should not have any problems managing a VPS.

Edit, as you have had to ask, perhaps it's beyond you.

baddog · 07-02-2011, 09:49 PM

What control panel does it come with? If DirectAdmin it is very easy and we have an entire set of Flash based tutorials anyone can access.

We also offer cPanel tutorials, but personally, I thought cPanel was more confusing than DirectAdmin.

onwebcam · 07-02-2011, 09:57 PM

Go with managed. That way as long as you can navigate the CP you're good. If it's unmanaged and it goes down you'll be SOL.

raymor · 07-02-2011, 10:14 PM

If you read a couple of books you can manage it ok for a year or so until the hackers take it over.
Seriously for just a few dollars per month you can leverage the knowledge and experience of expert engineers who manage many similarly configured servers. Companies like Amerinoc offer the services of $100 / hour engineers for next to nothing because their engineers manage hundreds of servers.
Also the big name sites don't hire us because they are stupid. They hire us because they know that a little time from a qualified engineer will save them thousands compared to the mistakes they would make by trying to do it themselves. They know they are marketers, not engineers.

XSV · 07-02-2011, 10:17 PM

Define easy.

If you are a quick learner then it may be easy, for some it comes naturally and easy, just like you have some things you are most likely good at that may be hard for others to pick up as quickly as you did.

It's not "easy", otherwise everyone would do it. It's not "hard" either, as many people manage their own, but it takes dedication to stay on top of everything as you will battle thousands trying to hack you daily in one form or another.

And even when you think you grasp the concept, the guys that really know what they are doing will blow your mind, it's like they are connected to the matrix (AKA the Interwebs).

At the end of the day, it's like life, you get out of it what you put in to it.

Good luck with it.

drmadcat · 07-02-2011, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSV

Define easy.

If you are a quick learner then it may be easy, for some it comes naturally and easy, just like you have some things you are most likely good at that may be hard for others to pick up as quickly as you did.

It's not "easy", otherwise everyone would do it. It's not "hard" either, as many people manage their own, but it takes dedication to stay on top of everything as you will battle thousands trying to hack you daily in one form or another.

And even when you think you grasp the concept, the guys that really know what they are doing will blow your mind, it's like they are connected to the matrix (AKA the Interwebs).

At the end of the day, it's like life, you get out of it what you put in to it.

Good luck with it.

thanks for the advice

XSV · 07-02-2011, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

If you read a couple of books you can manage it ok for a year or so until the hackers take it over.
Seriously for just a few dollars per month you can leverage the knowledge and experience of expert engineers who manage many similarly configured servers. Companies like Amerinoc offer the services of $100 / hour engineers for next to nothing because their engineers manage hundreds of servers.
Also the big name sites don't hire us because they are stupid. They hire us because they know that a little time from a qualified engineer will save them thousands compared to the mistakes they would make by trying to do it themselves. They know they are marketers, not engineers.

For the record, Ray is 3 minutes smarter than me, I've always been a slow typer.

drmadcat · 07-02-2011, 11:18 PM

has anybody used wiredtree.com
i want to use there vps512 managed vps
are wiredtree any good

im going to be using it for tubex

mamaliga · 07-02-2011, 11:38 PM

Well i guess i will need to move to a dedicated server as soon as it`s possible since i using over 3GB of SWAP to my VPS but definetly i will go with a managed server.
@drmadcat I recommend Phatservers VPS , in my sig

Chosen · 07-03-2011, 12:04 AM

NQ4.NET is also good

CYF · 07-03-2011, 12:15 AM

well, if you have to ask, you should probably go managed

XSV · 07-03-2011, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYF

well, if you have to ask, you should probably go managed

drmadcat · 07-03-2011, 12:20 AM

year def going to go managed just finding who to use know i like the look of wiredtree.com and amerinoc.com but i carnt see anywhere on amerinoc that it uses c-panel i dont want to buy c-panel

XSV · 07-03-2011, 12:31 AM

AmeriNOC does not use cPanel. They include DirectAdmin for free on all managed plans though, or so I've heard. ;-)

That said, I've seen your other post... I wouldn't recommend running any tube site using less than a VPS/Dedicated server with at least 1 GB RAM, even if you are using sponsor hosted videos.

Also, my last nugget for the night, you should search for WT (WiredTree) on this forum and see how many references you find. Think about where you are at and from whom you are asking for advice, either you are going to listen to them (us) or you aren't.

Good luck.

Socks · 07-03-2011, 02:38 AM

It's very, very, very easy.

Until something goes wrong.

Klen · 07-03-2011, 04:33 AM

Well it is easy for me,but not sure for average joe

drmadcat · 07-03-2011, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSV

AmeriNOC does not use cPanel. They include DirectAdmin for free on all managed plans though, or so I've heard. ;-)

That said, I've seen your other post... I wouldn't recommend running any tube site using less than a VPS/Dedicated server with at least 1 GB RAM, even if you are using sponsor hosted videos.

Also, my last nugget for the night, you should search for WT (WiredTree) on this forum and see how many references you find. Think about where you are at and from whom you are asking for advice, either you are going to listen to them (us) or you aren't.

Good luck.

thanks for the advice im fairly new to this and need all the help i can get thanks

IllTestYourGirls · 07-03-2011, 05:48 AM

Go with managed and go with yellowfiber

stach14 · 07-03-2011, 11:54 AM

I say to everyone I talk to, why not go managed and let the people that deal with servers for a life handle the server end of things. This gives you more time to work on your site and build your traffic.

CurrentlySober · 07-03-2011, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

What control panel does it come with? If DirectAdmin it is very easy and we have an entire set of Flash based tutorials anyone can access.

We also offer cPanel tutorials, but personally, I thought cPanel was more confusing than DirectAdmin.

This is one of the things I really like about Baddog...

Its not just about $$$ - He genuinely trys to help

raymor · 07-03-2011, 12:14 PM

We prefer Directadmin, which Amerinoc uses, to Cpanel. Directadmin gives you a more sanely configured server by default. Cpanel beats the hell out of Plesk though. Plesk does some EXTREMELY stupid things which virtually guarantee that your server will be severly hacked. Specifically, by default Plesk sets it so that all visitors to your site are allowed to edit the site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stach14

I say to everyone I talk to, why not go managed and let the people that deal with servers for a life handle the server end of things. This gives you more time to work on your site and build your traffic.

Absolutely. Although we've been doing server admin for fifteen years and I have some involvement with developing Apache itself, even we have begun to turn the hardware side over to hardware people. Figure out what you do best and do it, letting other people do what they do best. That's the only reason we don't live in mud huts anymore - because we pay the construction people to do construction while we each do our own specific jobs.

raymor · 07-03-2011, 12:20 PM

One more comment about "easy". It's easy to slowly but completely screw up your system, until it gets so bad you finally realize you need an expert to spend many hours fixing it. We just billed $2000 for straightening out a huge mess made by someone who was "learning" system adminstration by ruining the source of their income. Instead, they could have spent maybe $300 to have a competent midlevek tech run it from the start.

Klen · 07-03-2011, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

One more comment about "easy". It's easy to slowly but completely screw up your system, until it gets so bad you finally realize you need an expert to spend many hours fixing it. We just billed $2000 for straightening out a huge mess made by someone who was "learning" system adminstration by ruining the source of their income. Instead, they could have spent maybe $300 to have a competent midlevek tech run it from the start.

Madness,i would charge only 100$,which is my universal fee to fix any kind of mess.

Alex69 · 07-03-2011, 02:04 PM

unless something goes wrong - you don't need to do anything

if it does - you will end up paying some geek $100/h to fix it

for me it is less expensive to pay someone when sth is wrong as having managed servers - and i have 3 hexa core servers now

also if sth is very very wrong or servers being hached - just get new servers and extract backups / move users - way cheapper and faster as fixing

I like direct admin too + they have good support that fixed my servers for free ( error was on DA side)

also fuck vps, get dedicated servers - if you cant afford them - go look for a job and stop wasting your time on GFY

TurboAngel · 07-03-2011, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

It's very, very, very easy.

Until something goes wrong.

That's the truth!

The Porn Nerd · 07-03-2011, 03:48 PM

Is it easy to manage a server?
Yes
But is it easy to serve a manager?
No.

Overload · 07-03-2011, 03:54 PM

choopa FTW ;) managed of coz ... eases life a lot - many tech peeps on icq (or quickly at it if you submit a ticket) and (if it ever happens) downtime is minutes only :D at least thats my experience with them :D no need for a referral link ... just go for it ... choopa.com

Adraco · 07-03-2011, 05:10 PM

Amerinoc is famous for one thing - its amazingly qualified support!
You simply will NOT find another company who will serve you better or more professional, than Amerinoc. I've been with them for years and for good reasons, they are today powering my entire business, for the one and only reason - that they do it much better than anyone else.

I you aren't part of the Amerinoc family yet, please do give it a try and you will never look back, ever again.

raymor · 07-03-2011, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adraco

Amerinoc is famous for one thing - its amazingly qualified support!
You simply will NOT find another company who will serve you better or more professional, than Amerinoc. I've been with them for years and for good reasons, they are today powering my entire business, for the one and only reason - that they do it much better than anyone else.

I you aren't part of the Amerinoc family yet, please do give it a try and you will never look back, ever again.

True. Their competency is way above almost all others. This is coming from a guy who is paid to provide highly competent admin services himself. Their email support is also very fast. We only do not recommend them if phone support is important to you. They don't answer the phone most of the time.

drmadcat · 07-03-2011, 07:44 PM

i know there is no post on here for wiredtree.com but there packages look great with vps and dedicated

sadiedazzle · 07-03-2011, 07:53 PM

OMG...it's so much work running sites these days. Why try and add to the amount of work by running your own server? Just my two cents. I know that mojohost is there for me 24/7 and when shit happens you really need that sort of service and expertise.

facialfreak · 07-03-2011, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYF

well, if you have to ask, you should probably go managed

QUOTED FOR TRUTH ...

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d-null · 07-03-2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmadcat

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by the way, your sig is too big: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=950962
and over the years godaddy doesn't have the greatest reputation among many in the adult business either

drmadcat · 07-03-2011, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null

by the way, your sig is too big: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=950962
and over the years godaddy doesn't have the greatest reputation among many in the adult business either

sig amended thanks

My Pimp · 07-04-2011, 03:41 AM

You do not need managed if you only want to add domains.
You just need cpanel.
But managed servers coest only a few dollars more
and they will answer all your questions. That is why beginners should
start with a managed sever.

Emil · 07-04-2011, 04:22 AM

I've had a server with Wiredtree. If I remember correctly the support turned pretty bad after a while. This was back in 2009.

Emil · 07-04-2011, 04:29 AM

I've hired this guy before: http://www.supportm.com/
He's awesome and only cost $50/month.

I do have a server I manage myself. I did let some techguy set it up and install everything I needed and remove stuff I didn't need like FTP, Email and other stuff.
Changed MySQL and SSH standard ports and many other security-related things I dont remember.

I have automatic updates turned on and just login to Webmin once in a while to check if everything is OK.
So far no problems and it have been running for nearly a year now. But I wouldn't host any critical sites on this machine...

07-02-2011, 09:44 PM	#1
drmadcat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: in the back room wanking Posts: 2,024	is it hard to manage a server im new to vps and really like vps.net but they say that there server is not managed is it easy to manage a server the only experiences ive had with hosting is a basic hosting package with godaddy.com __________________ asiamoviepass.com

07-02-2011, 09:57 PM	#4
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07-02-2011, 10:14 PM	#5
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	If you read a couple of books you can manage it ok for a year or so until the hackers take it over. Seriously for just a few dollars per month you can leverage the knowledge and experience of expert engineers who manage many similarly configured servers. Companies like Amerinoc offer the services of $100 / hour engineers for next to nothing because their engineers manage hundreds of servers. Also the big name sites don't hire us because they are stupid. They hire us because they know that a little time from a qualified engineer will save them thousands compared to the mistakes they would make by trying to do it themselves. They know they are marketers, not engineers. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

07-02-2011, 10:17 PM	#6
XSV Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cybercave. Posts: 1,214	Define easy. If you are a quick learner then it may be easy, for some it comes naturally and easy, just like you have some things you are most likely good at that may be hard for others to pick up as quickly as you did. It's not "easy", otherwise everyone would do it. It's not "hard" either, as many people manage their own, but it takes dedication to stay on top of everything as you will battle thousands trying to hack you daily in one form or another. And even when you think you grasp the concept, the guys that really know what they are doing will blow your mind, it's like they are connected to the matrix (AKA the Interwebs). At the end of the day, it's like life, you get out of it what you put in to it. Good luck with it. __________________ Managed - E3 QC 2 x 500 GB SSD's / 32 GB RAM / 100 Mbps On Gig Port + 10 TB CDN Traffic $299/mo NEW MANAGED 10 TB CDN SERVERS FROM $199 PER MONTH - 50% Off Trial Code: AMNOCDEAL DIY DEAL: Unmanaged Root Server Plans - 50% OFF For Life! • Windows + Linux • Coupon Code: SUMMERDED16

07-02-2011, 11:18 PM	#9
drmadcat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: in the back room wanking Posts: 2,024	has anybody used wiredtree.com i want to use there vps512 managed vps are wiredtree any good im going to be using it for tubex __________________ asiamoviepass.com

07-02-2011, 09:47 PM	#2
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	How well do you know Linux ? If you understand *nix, apache, php, basic security etc you should not have any problems managing a VPS. Edit, as you have had to ask, perhaps it's beyond you.

07-02-2011, 09:49 PM	#3
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	What control panel does it come with? If DirectAdmin it is very easy and we have an entire set of Flash based tutorials anyone can access. We also offer cPanel tutorials, but personally, I thought cPanel was more confusing than DirectAdmin.

07-02-2011, 11:38 PM	#10
mamaliga la gente está muy loca Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: 1Gbps Posts: 1,321	Well i guess i will need to move to a dedicated server as soon as it`s possible since i using over 3GB of SWAP to my VPS but definetly i will go with a managed server. @drmadcat I recommend Phatservers VPS , in my sig

07-03-2011, 12:04 AM	#11
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	NQ4.NET is also good

07-03-2011, 12:15 AM	#12
CYF Coupon Guru Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 10,973	well, if you have to ask, you should probably go managed __________________ Webmaster Coupons Coupons and discounts for hosting, domains, SSL Certs, and more! AmeriNOC Coupons \| Certified Hosting Coupons \| Hosting Coupons \| Domain Name Coupons

07-03-2011, 12:20 AM	#14
drmadcat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: in the back room wanking Posts: 2,024	year def going to go managed just finding who to use know i like the look of wiredtree.com and amerinoc.com but i carnt see anywhere on amerinoc that it uses c-panel i dont want to buy c-panel __________________ asiamoviepass.com

07-03-2011, 12:31 AM	#15
XSV Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cybercave. Posts: 1,214	AmeriNOC does not use cPanel. They include DirectAdmin for free on all managed plans though, or so I've heard. ;-) That said, I've seen your other post... I wouldn't recommend running any tube site using less than a VPS/Dedicated server with at least 1 GB RAM, even if you are using sponsor hosted videos. Also, my last nugget for the night, you should search for WT (WiredTree) on this forum and see how many references you find. Think about where you are at and from whom you are asking for advice, either you are going to listen to them (us) or you aren't. Good luck. __________________ Managed - E3 QC 2 x 500 GB SSD's / 32 GB RAM / 100 Mbps On Gig Port + 10 TB CDN Traffic $299/mo NEW MANAGED 10 TB CDN SERVERS FROM $199 PER MONTH - 50% Off Trial Code: AMNOCDEAL DIY DEAL: Unmanaged Root Server Plans - 50% OFF For Life! • Windows + Linux • Coupon Code: SUMMERDED16

07-03-2011, 02:38 AM	#16
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,478	It's very, very, very easy. Until something goes wrong.

07-03-2011, 04:33 AM	#17
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Well it is easy for me,but not sure for average joe

07-03-2011, 05:48 AM	#19
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	Go with managed and go with yellowfiber __________________

07-03-2011, 11:54 AM	#20
stach14 M3Server.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: Washington Posts: 667	I say to everyone I talk to, why not go managed and let the people that deal with servers for a life handle the server end of things. This gives you more time to work on your site and build your traffic. __________________ M3Server - Celebrating 25 years of hosting Proud Sponsor of GFY.com Fully Managed Virtual & Dedicated Servers Chris Stach - [email protected] Skype: chris.stach14 https://www.m3server.com

07-03-2011, 12:20 PM	#23
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	One more comment about "easy". It's easy to slowly but completely screw up your system, until it gets so bad you finally realize you need an expert to spend many hours fixing it. We just billed $2000 for straightening out a huge mess made by someone who was "learning" system adminstration by ruining the source of their income. Instead, they could have spent maybe $300 to have a competent midlevek tech run it from the start. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

07-03-2011, 02:04 PM	#25
Alex69 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 328	unless something goes wrong - you don't need to do anything if it does - you will end up paying some geek $100/h to fix it for me it is less expensive to pay someone when sth is wrong as having managed servers - and i have 3 hexa core servers now also if sth is very very wrong or servers being hached - just get new servers and extract backups / move users - way cheapper and faster as fixing I like direct admin too + they have good support that fixed my servers for free ( error was on DA side) also fuck vps, get dedicated servers - if you cant afford them - go look for a job and stop wasting your time on GFY Last edited by Alex69; 07-03-2011 at 02:08 PM..

07-03-2011, 03:48 PM	#27
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07-03-2011, 03:54 PM	#28
Overload Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beck's City, North Teutonia Posts: 3,185	choopa FTW ;) managed of coz ... eases life a lot - many tech peeps on icq (or quickly at it if you submit a ticket) and (if it ever happens) downtime is minutes only :D at least thats my experience with them :D no need for a referral link ... just go for it ... choopa.com __________________ There aren't enough faces and palms on this planet for an appropriate reaction to religion.

07-03-2011, 05:10 PM	#29
Adraco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Onboard an airplane around the globe Posts: 3,733	Amerinoc is famous for one thing - its amazingly qualified support! You simply will NOT find another company who will serve you better or more professional, than Amerinoc. I've been with them for years and for good reasons, they are today powering my entire business, for the one and only reason - that they do it much better than anyone else. I you aren't part of the Amerinoc family yet, please do give it a try and you will never look back, ever again. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is not affected by the beliefs, or doubts, of the majority.

07-03-2011, 07:44 PM	#31
drmadcat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: in the back room wanking Posts: 2,024	i know there is no post on here for wiredtree.com but there packages look great with vps and dedicated __________________ asiamoviepass.com

07-03-2011, 07:53 PM	#32
sadiedazzle Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 972	OMG...it's so much work running sites these days. Why try and add to the amount of work by running your own server? Just my two cents. I know that mojohost is there for me 24/7 and when shit happens you really need that sort of service and expertise.

07-04-2011, 03:41 AM	#36
My Pimp Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,201	You do not need managed if you only want to add domains. You just need cpanel. But managed servers coest only a few dollars more and they will answer all your questions. That is why beginners should start with a managed sever.

07-04-2011, 04:22 AM	#37
Emil Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,623	I've had a server with Wiredtree. If I remember correctly the support turned pretty bad after a while. This was back in 2009. __________________ Free 🅑🅘🅣🅒🅞🅘🅝🅢 Every Hour (Yes, really. Free ₿itCoins.) (Signup with ONLY your Email and Password. You can also refer people and get even more.)

07-04-2011, 04:29 AM	#38
Emil Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,623	I've hired this guy before: http://www.supportm.com/ He's awesome and only cost $50/month. I do have a server I manage myself. I did let some techguy set it up and install everything I needed and remove stuff I didn't need like FTP, Email and other stuff. Changed MySQL and SSH standard ports and many other security-related things I dont remember. I have automatic updates turned on and just login to Webmin once in a while to check if everything is OK. So far no problems and it have been running for nearly a year now. But I wouldn't host any critical sites on this machine... __________________ Free 🅑🅘🅣🅒🅞🅘🅝🅢 Every Hour (Yes, really. Free ₿itCoins.) (Signup with ONLY your Email and Password. You can also refer people and get even more.)