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sperbonzo · 07-08-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

It is a little more complex than that. What you say in general is true, but here is the problem. When times are good and the economy is chugging along our government officials (both democrat and republican run) spend more money and grow the size of the government. We spend every penny that comes in and then some. Then when things go bad and the economy shrinks the amount of money that comes in is less, but now we have more obligations and thus more debt.

What we should be doing is spending less when we have more and living under our means so that when times are hard and less is coming in we can still meet those obligations. But that, sadly, is not how it works. Every politician gets elected promising that they will bring something home from Washington for the people that voted for them. That is really all they care about. So damn the consequences they are going to get theirs no matter what. To get what they want they make deals and they don't care about the overall well being of the nation so long as they can keep their promises to their voters and keep their jobs.

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Sausage · 07-08-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

It is a little more complex than that. What you say in general is true, but here is the problem. When times are good and the economy is chugging along our government officials (both democrat and republican run) spend more money and grow the size of the government. We spend every penny that comes in and then some. Then when things go bad and the economy shrinks the amount of money that comes in is less, but now we have more obligations and thus more debt.

What we should be doing is spending less when we have more and living under our means so that when times are hard and less is coming in we can still meet those obligations. But that, sadly, is not how it works. Every politician gets elected promising that they will bring something home from Washington for the people that voted for them. That is really all they care about. So damn the consequences they are going to get theirs no matter what. To get what they want they make deals and they don't care about the overall well being of the nation so long as they can keep their promises to their voters and keep their jobs.

Then you need a different conservative party.

The role of a liberal (left) government is to expand welfare, spend more, and increase governmnent. This isn't always a bad thing.

The role of a conservative (right) government is to decrease the size of government, reduce spending, reduce welfare.

Ideally both should balance eachother out though if any gets total control then you are in trouble. If both sides are increasing government then you are in for a disaster .. look at Greece ... they are suffering from a liberal agenda hangover.

Vendzilla · 07-08-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The tea baggers already failed on everything they promised.

The Tea Party never promised anything that I'm aware of, they just told what they wanted from those they voted for

Joshua G · 07-08-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

There is no difference. Dems get their money from unions, etc. repubs get their money from big oil, etc. its just two sides of the same coin. and its hilarious that you think no one in the private sector could get what the unions make? Uh...just look at what the failed banks gave out as bonuses. that beats the unions hands down.

another typical attack. the republicans are bad. Is anyone capable of critique without dragging the repubs into it?

Wall street? thats your example of parity beween public & private sector employees? Do you even have a clue why wall street makes 10 times the money of every other sector of the economy?

i'm done responding to idiots. GatorB is the only one qualified to attack me. The rest of you are not in my league.

GregE · 07-08-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

obama is going to do exactly what he has done all along, pretend to resist then fold like a whipped pup, and end up giving the republicans all they want and more.

he's a rightist/centrist and everything he does is exactly the same as what Bush before him did. he is working in collusion with teh republicans and the corporatist democrats.

there will be a few small token tax increases with giant loopholes built in, perhaps 50 to a hundred billion worth on paper, "balanced" out by hundreds of billions to trillions worth of cuts.

the last laugh will be on the american people - because non of this adds anything to job creation or infrastructure. The corporations are abandoning this country anyway, so they don't care about the trillions that wont reach the economy, the small businesses that depend on the spending of entitlement money don't have lobbyists, so everybody loses.

the good thing tho is BOTH the dems and the republicans will now be held responsible - the republicans for emphasizing protecting the upper classes over jobs, and the democrats for not fighting for jobs and security.

so there's that.

Obama folded like a napkin on the public option too.

The man has been a huge disappointment to be sure and moreover no sitting president has ever been reelected when the unemployment rate was over 7 percent.

But Obama will be reelected.

Let's get real. Have you taken a look at the collection of looney tunes, misfits and woeful mediocrities that are seeking the Republican nomination for president

2016 will be about selecting the lesser of two evils.

By 2020 a real choice may well emerge, but I wouldn't bet on it.

kane · 07-08-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Then you need a different conservative party.

The role of a liberal (left) government is to expand welfare, spend more, and increase governmnent. This isn't always a bad thing.

The role of a conservative (right) government is to decrease the size of government, reduce spending, reduce welfare.

Ideally both should balance eachother out though if any gets total control then you are in trouble. If both sides are increasing government then you are in for a disaster .. look at Greece ... they are suffering from a liberal agenda hangover.

In theory you are correct, but that just isn't how it works. The conservatives have been packaging and repackaging the same campaign promises for 30+ years and they never follow through with them. Ever since Reagan the conservatives have promised to lower spending, reduce the size of government, reduce the role of government in our day to day lives (saying that less government is better government), spend money more wisely and in doing all of this they will need less money so they will be able to lower taxes.

The reality is that every single one of them has grown the size of the government. Every single one of them has increased spending. Not one of them has reduced the amount of government in our lives and they all spend money like a drunken Kennedy in a strip club. They have lowered taxes, but as we see when you do that without curbing spending it doesn't really work out so well.

The only thing truly conservative thing about them is some of their social beliefs and as we find out about a lot of them they don't really even believe that, they just say it because it is the party line and helps them get elected. Those social beliefs allow them to repackage the same shit and still get votes because there are people out there that will vote for any candidate so long as they are pro-life or anti-porn or project themselves as a social conservative. So every election they just repackage the message and hit the road and somehow it continues to work.

The liberals have been no better not only have they failed to implement most of their ideas, but most of them are spineless and won't stand up for themselves. When Bush and the republicans had control of the house, senate and white house they did what they wanted. The democrats threatened filibusterer, but the republicans called their bluff and went right along on their agenda.When the tables turned and the democrats controlled all three houses more often than not they gave into the republicans not because they had a better idea, but because they didn't want a confrontation and risk losing. the republicans had one agenda for the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. The agenda was simply, "If he and the democrats are for it, we are against it." It is a bold move because had the democrats actually passed legislation that was good it would have made the republicans look terrible, but the democrats wimped out on a lot of things and basically handed power back to the republicans.

The democrats had the republican party on the ropes. After the 2008 election the party was in shambles and was rife with infighting. They had no power and for a while it looked like the only leader they had was Mr. Oxycontin himself Rush Limbaugh. But the democrats refused to move in for the knockout blow.

So we have flat out liars on one side and spineless fools on the other. Not a good combination for success.

BFT3K · 07-08-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The Tea Party never promised anything that I'm aware of.

They promised me a rose garden...

BloodFart · 07-09-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

there is a lot of unemployment, but it's nowhere near the height of the great depression levels of 25% of the workforce.

eh... great depression they counted everyone who didnt have a job as unemployed, now they simply count those collecting unemployment as unemployed.

mukeshsnp · 07-09-2011, 02:48 AM

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GetSCORECash · 07-09-2011, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodFart

eh... great depression they counted everyone who didnt have a job as unemployed, now they simply count those collecting unemployment as unemployed.

To add to this point. The number of workers, working 40 hours today is less then 10 years ago.

You have a lot of people working under 30 hours here in Miami. 4 to 6 hour work days are common.

kane · 07-09-2011, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

To add to this point. The number of workers, working 40 hours today is less then 10 years ago.

You have a lot of people working under 30 hours here in Miami. 4 to 6 hour work days are common.

According to Gallup about 10% of those who have jobs are "underemployed." This means that they are either working less than 40 hours per week when they would like to be working a full 40 hour week or that they had a job, lost it, got another one but are making less money than they were making before and are actively seeking a job to make more money.

That is a lot of people.

Mutt · 07-09-2011, 05:10 AM

I think the country would be better served by a parliamentary system where the party that wins the election can fulfill its mandate without having to negotiate and cut deals with the other party, fuck checks and balances, a benign dictatorship works better - things are so bad between the Republicans and Democrats that what's best for the country sadly takes a backseat to political one upmandship.

Spare me the bs that John McCain or George Bush had he had a third term would have done anything materially different than Obama. Bush was already throwing huge money at the economic crisis before he left office and would have continued to. The Republican party isn't even conservative and hasn't been in decades.

Nobody wants to pay the real price to fix things - the political costs nor the financial sacrifices. Nobody wants to say 'NO' to those who put them in power and can keep them in power.

TheDoc · 07-09-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The Tea Party never promised anything that I'm aware of, they just told what they wanted from those they voted for

They made hundreds of promises and failed to deliver on them all - and you know they made promises as well...

Yep, they only said enough to trick the idiots into believing they were different.

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