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AdultKing · 07-16-2011, 07:15 PM

Sally Rand, your cruise ship is awaiting.

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Why does The Chosen One not stop the wars as he promised to do in the campaigns?

Agreed... but it's not like he promised to stop Afghan out right, that was a continued mission from day one with him, but he did say we would pull out, which he has put a timeline for. And Iraq wise, he did do what we said, aid would follow being that it has oil, has a currency going on the market, etc.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Why did he get us in yet another war in Libya?

"We" aren't at war with Libya, it's a U.N. / Nato Mission.

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Where is conressional approval for that war?

He notified congress, and congress pre-approved U.N. missions as long as they fall under the U.N. Charter, which Libya does.

Maybe that will help end your confusion.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Am I just living in bizarro world?

Raising the "debt ceiling"? Everytime I hear that on television I just shake my head.

Let me put this in real life terms...I go out and spend tons of money and buy everything on credit. Now...it's time to pay the credit card. But instead of STOPPING SPENDING ON MORE SHIT AND PAYING MY BILLS, instead I KEEP SPENDING EVEN MORE! And then I BORROW MORE TO PAY THE INTEREST ON MY DEBT.

Am I the only one who finds this entire thing insane? Shouldn't we STOP spending immediately on stupid shit (like all the wars and our military in over 100 countries) and redirect our tax revenues towards...PAYING THE FUCKING DEBT????

I know if any of us tried this shit in real life it would never fly.

I hear the republicans fighting with the democrats and they are "getting close" to cutting 4 trillion dollars in spending...OVER TEN FUCKING YEARS!!!

They need to cut 4 trillion dollars TODAY. And even that won't cover it.

Does anybody in Washington D.C. know simple mathematics???

Everyone says stop spending on the military yada yada yada.... so... what jobs will all those people get? Stop buying so many bullets and planes??? What jobs will the laid off military contractors get? Stop spending on this.. stop spending on that... cut the budget... well to cut the budget means cutting jobs.. Any company that "trims" their costs or restructures to deal with mile high debt, ends up cutting jobs... and there are no jobs out there for those people... So one way or the other, the government will end up paying people anyway whether it's welfare or whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, the problem has become so massive over decades of abuse that it's too fucking complicated and painful for the politicians to be able to do anything about. Not if they want to keep getting elected cause the masses are too stupid to grasp what it will take to fix everything. It will take a financial collapse to force the issue.

There is one big difference between the government and the common person.. The common person that does what they do ends up declaring bankruptcy... The government can't. They don't have the luxury of walking away like people and companies can.

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Everyone says stop spending on the military yada yada yada.... so... what jobs will all those people get? Stop buying so many bullets and planes??? What jobs will the laid off military contractors get? Stop spending on this.. stop spending on that... cut the budget... well to cut the budget means cutting jobs.. Any company that "trims" their costs or restructures to deal with mile high debt, ends up cutting jobs... and there are no jobs out there for those people... So one way or the other, the government will end up paying people anyway whether it's welfare or whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, the problem has become so massive over decades of abuse that it's too fucking complicated and painful for the politicians to be able to do anything about. Not if they want to keep getting elected cause the masses are too stupid to grasp what it will take to fix everything. It will take a financial collapse to force the issue.

There is one big difference between the government and the common person.. The common person that does what they do ends up declaring bankruptcy... The government can't. They don't have the luxury of walking away like people and companies can.

I did not suggest taht military spending be stopped.

I FUCKING STATED OUTRIGHT THAT THE WARS SHOULD BE STOPPED!

AdultKing · 07-16-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

I did not suggest taht military spending be stopped.

I FUCKING STATED OUTRIGHT THAT THE WARS SHOULD BE STOPPED!

Ah calm down there Maude, you might burst something.

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Agreed... but it's not like he promised to stop Afghan out right, that was a continued mission from day one with him, but he did say we would pull out, which he has put a timeline for. And Iraq wise, he did do what we said, aid would follow being that it has oil, has a currency going on the market, etc.

"We" aren't at war with Libya, it's a U.N. / Nato Mission.

He notified congress, and congress pre-approved U.N. missions as long as they fall under the U.N. Charter, which Libya does.

Maybe that will help end your confusion.

Pardon me but FUCK THE UNITED NATIONS FOR THE AMERICA HATING ASSOCIATION OF THIRD WORLD SHITHOLES THAT IT IS!

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:22 PM

Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money.

Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap.

Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops...

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

You write "cheques", so therefore you are NOT from the USA!

Why do you not SHUT THE FUCK UP!

The Chosen One is NOT YOUR PRESIDENT!

The only reason that your country exists as a semi-independent nation is that the US FUCKING A borders it to the South.

Your fucking navy even uses SURPLUS US warships!

uh huh.. except what happens in your country affects everyone else... What happens down there has an impact on my revenue, my cost of goods etc. etc. etc.

Besides.. if you're going to rant and rave, make moronic posts on a public board, I'm free to comment on your idiocy and point out what a moron you are... I seem to know more about you countries situation and the facts of things than you actually do.

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Pardon me but FUCK THE UNITED NATIONS FOR THE AMERICA HATING ASSOCIATION OF THIRD WORLD SHITHOLES THAT IT IS!

Pardon you then.... when a country tries to change the currency to gold when they deal in oil, you're going to get fucked to ensure we don't get fucked with.

We've used this power before, we will use it in the future... and no amount of capital letters will change that fact - truly, if you don't like it, get out, otherwise you're part of the slaughter and should enjoy its benefits.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

I did not suggest taht military spending be stopped.

I FUCKING STATED OUTRIGHT THAT THE WARS SHOULD BE STOPPED!

So stop the wars but keep spending the same amount of money??? Are you capable of logical rational thought?

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:32 PM

I bet most of you LOVE your smart phones and portal devices ability to last forever. Oh that.... lithium battery, it can last for days now and recharges so damn fast, it kills old battery technology like no other, or does it?

The lithium in new phones and devices is remarkable, and it comes from the Afghan mines, which we discovered through this war.

War is making your lives better, you benefit and profit from it right now, you benefit in ways you could never dream of, be careful what you wish to end, your business may go with it.

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

uh huh.. except what happens in your country affects everyone else... What happens down there has an impact on my revenue, my cost of goods etc. etc. etc.

Besides.. if you're going to rant and rave, make moronic posts on a public board, I'm free to comment on your idiocy and point out what a moron you are... I seem to know more about you countries situation and the facts of things than you actually do.

Sure you are but remember, your pathetic colony is 100% dependant on what the USA does, so you might want to take a look at your thinking.

And...................you have not effectively challenged the facts I have posted in the slightest.

The USA should stop the wars and stop them now.

BFT3K · 07-16-2011, 07:35 PM

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Sure you are but remember, your pathetic colony is 100% dependant on what the USA does, so you might want to take a look at your thinking.

Really? Do you know how much of your oil you get from us?

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Pardon you then.... when a country tries to change the currency to gold when they deal in oil, you're going to get fucked to ensure we don't get fucked with.

We've used this power before, we will use it in the future... and no amount of capital letters will change that fact - truly, if you don't like it, get out, otherwise you're part of the slaughter and should enjoy its benefits.

Who is sitting in the White House?

Why is that Sitter involving us in THREE WARS at the EXPENSE of the American people?

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Who is sitting in the White House?

Why is that Sitter involving us in THREE WARS at the EXPENSE of the American people?

The person "sitting" in the white house makes no difference to the topic at hand.

I'm not aware of three wars that we are in. I corrected your misunderstanding of this above, if you're can't accept the facts then it is pointless to discuss the topic with you.

To expand on it though, we are in one war, the war on terror.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

....involving us in THREE WARS at the EXPENSE of the American people?

You are not at war in Libya... Did you see any declaration of war made by your country? I certainly didn't. In fact, your country has not formally declared war since WW2.

As far as Obama goes, he did not involve the US in Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush did.. He DID involve the US in Libya though.

Just stating the facts, something you're incapable of doing.

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The person "sitting" in the white house makes no difference to the topic at hand.

I'm not aware of three wars that we are in. I corrected your misunderstanding of this above, if you're can't accept the facts then it is pointless to discuss the topic with you.

To expand on it though, we are in one war, the war on terror.

Wars:

(1) Iraq

(2) Afghanistan.

(3) Libya

Last I heard, they were shooting at Americans in all of those places.

Bring the troops home and bring them home now.

Obama is now the President of The United States and could and should stop all this shit NOW!

If you have no notion of current events, we have nothing to discuss.

The Chosen One is either the Commander In Chief or he is not.

Military contractors controlling him maybe?

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Wars:

(1) Iraq

(2) Afghanistan.

(3) Libya

If you have no notion of current events, we havea nothing to discuss.

Iraq and Afghan is the war on terror, one war. Even so, Iraq isn't a war zone anymore, Libya isn't a US war at all - its a conflict, leaving Afghan, our real only War zone at this time.

AdultKing · 07-16-2011, 07:48 PM

SallyRand obviously knows as much as he has been able to read then cut and paste from various disparate sources.

Word on the street is that there are less than 300 million of you in the USA and Billions of people in the other countries you like to disparage so much with your racist flapping.

You see your simplistic arguments fail to take into account that worldwide Market Forces dictate the breadth and scope of what the US Congress can do economically. The USA like every other country on the planet has to work within certain parameters to be able to manage the economy.

The US is in a bind at the moment, it has the choice of raising the debt ceiling or default. Obviously default is not really an option for a larger developed economy like the USA because unlike Greece, the USA controls a larger debt to GDP ratio than Greece is allowed.

The machinations of the US congress, the brinkmanship of parties in the US political system, almost always leads to eventual compromise, this time will be no different. The US will not default, a bipartisan deal will be struck and the US debt ceiling will be raised.

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Last I heard, they were shooting at Americans in all of those places.

Bring the troops home and bring them home now.

If you have no notion of current events, we have nothing to discuss.

The Chosen One is either the Commander In Chief or he is not.

Military contractors controlling him maybe?

Yes, many Countries shoot Americans... but out of those three you listed, not all are shooting at American troops. So you would be 1/3 wrong depending on how you twist it.

Agreed, bring them home...

Current events does not equal war. And if you can't understand how our Gov works, such as why Libya is a conflict and not a war, then that is just sad and a reflection of what is truly wrong with our Country.

Being that you like to edit posts: He's doing what the commander in chief has been doing for decades. More like corporations, Obama is a clear corporatist. Much like the last 20 presidents or so, minus 3.

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

You are not at war in Libya... Did you see any declaration of war made by your country? I certainly didn't. In fact, your country has not formally declared war since WW2.

As far as Obama goes, he did not involve the US in Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush did.. He DID involve the US in Libya though.

Just stating the facts, something you're incapable of doing.

Bush is no longer the Pres.

H.Obama is.

Americans are getting shot at in Libya.

Does that mean that the Libya thing is some sort of CIVIL ACTION?

Bring the troops; all of the troops, home now.

Blow up the equipment and bring them home.

kane · 07-16-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money.

Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap.

Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops...

I was just reading that if we default we will have enough money to pay about 60% of the debts. So someone somewhere isn't going to get paid. How they will determine who or what that would be could get very interesting.

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I was just reading that if we default we will have enough money to pay about 60% of the debts. So someone somewhere isn't going to get paid. How they will determine who or what that would be could get very interesting.

We have to pay the interest on the debts, not the debts itself. We make 10x the amount needed to make those payments.

However, I'm sure they will find ways to screw many Americans over.

AdultKing · 07-16-2011, 07:54 PM

The USA is not involved in three wars. It is not at war with Libya, it is not at war with the State or Governement of Afghanistan or the State of Iraq or Government of Iraq.

Right now the role of the US, Australia and UK in Afghanistan is more of a peace keeping role, the allies have already completed the task of establishing relatively coherent Government in these two countries and are now undertaking operations to ensure the long term viability of these states and their respective infant democracies.

SallyRand · 07-16-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, many Countries shoot Americans... but out of those three you listed, not all are shooting at American troops. So you would be 1/3 wrong depending on how you twist it.

Agreed, bring them home...

Current events does not equal war. And if you can't understand how our Gov works, such as why Libya is a conflict and not a war, then that is just sad and a reflection of what is truly wrong with our Country.

Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

You trin' to tell me that they do not try to shoot back at American bombers?

People shoot at each other in "conflicts".

People shoot at each other in "wars".

The dead do not know the diferrence and neither do the bankers who finacne both.

Gimmee a fuckin' break.

End the wars, bring the troops home now and let's resolve our issues at home.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Bush is no longer the Pres.

H.Obama is.

Bush, and thus the US people regardless of whether you like it or not, committed the US to the "wars" and to "finishing" them.. Obama was left with those commitments and to follow thru on on them.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Americans are getting shot at in Libya.

Does that mean that the Libya thing is some sort of CIVIL ACTION?

It's an "intervention".

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Bring the troops; all of the troops, home now.

Blow up the equipment and bring them home.

So throw away the money that has been spent on that equipment. Then re-spend it the next time you guys put yourself into some conflict. Then "lay off" those troops so they can collect welfare? Your solutions are brilliant.

kane · 07-16-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

We have to pay the interest on the debts, not the debts itself. We make 10x the amount needed to make those payments.

However, I'm sure they will find ways to screw many Americans over.

The main worry they were talking about is that if we can't pay the bond holders that will destroy our credit rating, send interest rates up and it cold cause a domino effect that could spread all over the world.

AdultKing · 07-16-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

End the wars, bring the troops home now and let's resolve our issues at home.

You're retarded.

The US is not at war with Libya and is taking a minor role in the Libyan action at best. European forces are conducting most of the operations supporting the people of Libya in quashing the Gaddafi regime.

The US is not at war with Afghanistan or Iraq. It's providing a peace keeping role in supporting the new fledgling constitutions of both those countries.

The US will not pull out of Afghanistan or Iraq entirely for a very long time, get used to that idea girlfriend.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The main worry they were talking about is that if we can't pay the bond holders that will destroy our credit rating, send interest rates up and it cold cause a domino effect that could spread all over the world.

Constitutionally, and upheld by the courts, the US must pay it's debt obligations.. The US will not default on anything... However, it could mean that services etc. aren't paid for so that they can pay those obligations.

Check out what happened in 95/96 when the same sort of thing basically happened.

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

Libya isn't shooting at America troops.... as I stated.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

You trin' to tell me that they do not try to shoot back at American bombers?

Oh, then we're getting shot in several other countries as well, we must be at war with many countries in your book then.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

People shoot at each other in "conflicts".

People shoot at each other in "wars".

Sounds like you need to educate yourself on the difference.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

The dead do not know the diferrence and neither do the bankers who finacne both.

Gimmee a fuckin' break.

End the wars, bring the troops home now and let's resolve our issues at home.

Yeah, we should stop all things that kill, being that the dead know no difference. No more cars, they kill a ton of people, millions.. and drugs, cigs, drinking, shit most industry... and th elist goes on.

Agreed, end the wars.. that still wont resolve our issues at home but it's a start at spending less money.

TheDoc · 07-16-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The main worry they were talking about is that if we can't pay the bond holders that will destroy our credit rating, send interest rates up and it cold cause a domino effect that could spread all over the world.

14th Amendment... they'll figure out something and sign it, or Obama gets his way set in stone and no way to reverse it.

AdultKing · 07-16-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

The foreigners on this board will never understand the true value of currency is the military that backs it.

If people don't understand that then they must have failed high school history.

Every economic empire in history has had a powerful military to back it up.

It's quasi definition of empire.

Then again, you're quite correct, most people froth about this and that without understanding anything about the historical context of the situation.

NaughtyVisions · 07-16-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

So people shooting at Americans is your criteria for war? Fuck, Americans shoot at Americans here at home. Damn it, America is at war with America. How much is this fucking costing us?

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Well if you want some facts Tempests here's a few.

Your opinion means fuck-all because you're not American and can't vote. So you just sound like another snooty Canadian getting involved our politics. It means about as much as a waterboy trying to give game advice to the players on the field. In short, STFU and pick up your bottles and get your ass to the sideline.

Second, never forget you're in an American porn forum and the bulk of your bills are paid by Americans because we are the majority share of the porn market. If not, you wouldn't be here.

Third, The reason why most Americans know little about Canadian politics is we couldn't give a shit because if all Canadians vanished tomorrow, the fast majority of Americans lives would not change one little bit.

Finally, I don't agree with SR and you all just fail to understand the true American politics. Republicans know they're not going to win the next election and just trying to give Obama a hard time because he's been skating for the last 2 years to insure a reelection. That's it.

The republicans have always been sore losers and put the "Party" a head of the people each and every time. Besides, if the debt ceiling is not raised markets will collapse because the lack of of investor confidence. So if we collapse, so do all of you and the only difference is we have the largest and most advanced military in the world. The foreigners on this board will never understand the true value of currency is the military that backs it.

yada yada yada. Were you planning on debating anything.

Fact... Your opinion means as much as mine. None of our opinions matter a bit. Unless you're in a position of power, a persons opinions mean nothing. But really.. I think I've made 1 statement of opinion in here and everything else has been fact.

Not worth saying anything else about your diatribe.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Every economic empire in history has had a powerful military to back it up.

"Had" being the key word there... None of them exist today... Just as the US as it is today will cease to exist in the future... That's what history should have taught everyone.

kane · 07-16-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

14th Amendment... they'll figure out something and sign it, or Obama gets his way set in stone and no way to reverse it.

I agree. I have a feeling right now both sides are just waiting to see who will blink. They have a few weeks to make this happen. I think, in the end, there will be a package close to what Obama wants which is spending cuts with some tax raises, but instead of raises I think they will agree to close some loopholes in the tax code. This will allow them to get more taxes fro the wealthy and companies and yet the republicans can save some face by having not "technically" raised taxes.

woj · 07-16-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Everyone says stop spending on the military yada yada yada.... so... what jobs will all those people get? Stop buying so many bullets and planes??? What jobs will the laid off military contractors get? Stop spending on this.. stop spending on that... cut the budget... well to cut the budget means cutting jobs.. Any company that "trims" their costs or restructures to deal with mile high debt, ends up cutting jobs... and there are no jobs out there for those people... So one way or the other, the government will end up paying people anyway whether it's welfare or whatever.

How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss...

epitome · 07-16-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I bet most of you LOVE your smart phones and portal devices ability to last forever. Oh that.... lithium battery, it can last for days now and recharges so damn fast, it kills old battery technology like no other, or does it?

The lithium in new phones and devices is remarkable, and it comes from the Afghan mines, which we discovered through this war.

War is making your lives better, you benefit and profit from it right now, you benefit in ways you could never dream of, be careful what you wish to end, your business may go with it.

Exactly. There is a trillion dollars or more of valuable minerals sitting under Afghanistan. A country we occupy.

There is a reaoson we aren't leaving.

brassmonkey · 07-16-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

This cheese platter looks very nice...

indeed

Agent 488 · 07-16-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss...

i agree. that is the rational and humane decision.

Tempest · 07-16-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss...

Agreed... Makes sense to most people... But it's federal spending that's the issue and buses in Chicago is city money... Cutting federal spending to balance the budget, reduce the debt etc. does not put money into the system.. It puts people out of work.. Directly from the loss of jobs, or through not buying as many pencils which puts people out of work in the pencil factories. All those people have less money to pay in taxes to the states.. There's less money for city programs like replacing those buses.. All those people spend less money... Businesses make less and thus can't hire more people.. It's one big intertwined mess.

The only way to accomplish something like that would be government funded/run projects. But no one wants the government to do that sort of thing. And we've seen how effective it is to just give business some money to do that stuff themselves. That's worked out really well over the last couple years. I guess they could get the money to the city/state through "earmarks".. But no one wants those either. Everyone wants smaller government and less spending to just magically happen.

iamtam · 07-16-2011, 09:20 PM

how much do the republicants pay you to post this shit?

2MuchMark · 07-16-2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

"Spin"?

Bet me motherfucker!

In The Chosen One's own words!:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...89-503544.html

"President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News."

He can fund THREE wars plus the War On The American People, formerly known as "The War On Drugs" but THREATENS SOCIAL SECURITY?

People have been PAYING into Social Security for years so that things like this would NOT happen!

Impeach Obama now, bring the troops home, stop the wars, re-elect no one and start over.

SallyRand:

If the checks don't go out, it's the GOP's fault, NOT Obama's.

directfiesta · 07-17-2011, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

To expand on it though, we are in one war, the war on terror.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMj9g6WRLfQ

damn shit Obama got you in !!!!

DWB · 07-17-2011, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

In theory you are correct. But there is a large group of people in the baby boomer generation who were never offered any kind of 401K or retirement through their job. Sure, they could have gone out and gotten their own IRA, but the reality is that Capitalism is a pyramid. The further down it you go the less those jobs pay and those people don't really have the means to set aside their own IRA.

The average wage in America is $16 per hour. At that wage you make around $30K per year pre tax. After all the taxes you will likely see around $23K per year. The average home price in the US is $180K.

So if the average wage earner buys the average home that will take up half of their take home pay. Add in a car (nothing fancy, just a car) food, utilities etc and the average wage earner is lucky to make ends meet.

Say that average person took 3% of their income and set it aside every year for their own retirement. Assuming they did this at age 20 and did it for 40 years at 2% interest (that is more than most savings/money market accounts offer) they would end up with about $45K in the bank. . . not much of a retirement. Say they were able to set aside 10% and invested it to get a 6% return annually and they never lost (meaning recessions like the one we have now never happen) that would give them about $440K. That is a whole hell of a lot better, but it would require that a lot of things went right for that person and that they were able to set aside 10% of their income.

I'm not making excuses for people, I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of people for whom this is reality and fixing that reality is a little more challenging than just saying so.

Jesus.... who is the girl in your sig?

Barry-xlovecam · 07-17-2011, 06:08 AM

SallyRand · 07-17-2011, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

SallyRand:

If the checks don't go out, it's the GOP's fault, NOT Obama's.

Bullshit.

There is plenty of money to send out the PEOPLE'S OWN FUCKING MONEY!

Obama has stooped to the lowest level of any American president ever and should either resign in shame or be impeached in disgrace.

Are you aware, Mr, Smarty-Pants Asshole that Social Security is NOT a part of the federal budget but is funded separately by its own trust fund?

Yeah.

Mr. "The Buck Stops Here" is fucking those depending on the monies they paid into Social Security over many years!

How is he doing it?

Here is how the dirty bastard is leveraging the aging, the diabled, children depending on Social Security, retirees and in short, the entire American public!:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

"Special Note About SSA's Administrative Budget:

Although the transactions of the Social Security program itself are officially "off-budget," as explained above, the administrative budget for the agency running the program (the Social Security Administration) is not. SSA's annual administrative budget is subject to the standard budget and appropriations process. Thus each year the agency must present a separate budget request for its administrative costs (called the Limitation on Administrative Expenditures, or LAE line-item) and this request is subject to all the standard review procedures of the Office of Management and Budget and the budget and appropriations committees of the Congress."

The Chosen One is telling the public that "We have your Social Security money but unless I get MY fucking way, I'm not going to be able to fund the people and systems which SEND you your money, so get your representatives to get into lock-step with me or suffer the consequences!"

TheDoc · 07-17-2011, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Bullshit.

There is plenty of money to send out the PEOPLE'S OWN FUCKING MONEY!

Obama has stooped to the lowest level of any American president ever and should either resign in shame or be impeached in disgrace.

Are you aware, Mr, Smarty-Pants Asshole that Social Security is NOT a part of the federal budget but is funded separately by its own trust fund?

Yeah.

Mr. "The Buck Stops Here" is fucking those depending on the monies they paid into Social Security over many years!

How is he doing it?

Here is how the dirty bastard is leveraging the aging, the diabled, children depending on Social Security, retirees and in short, the entire American public!:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

"Special Note About SSA's Administrative Budget:

Although the transactions of the Social Security program itself are officially "off-budget," as explained above, the administrative budget for the agency running the program (the Social Security Administration) is not. SSA's annual administrative budget is subject to the standard budget and appropriations process. Thus each year the agency must present a separate budget request for its administrative costs (called the Limitation on Administrative Expenditures, or LAE line-item) and this request is subject to all the standard review procedures of the Office of Management and Budget and the budget and appropriations committees of the Congress."

The Chosen One is telling the public that "We have your Social Security money but unless I get MY fucking way, I'm not going to be able to fund the people and systems which SEND you your money, so get your representatives to get into lock-step with me or suffer the consequences!"

Happen to have a source for that quote? I'm guessing not.....

Anyway, that's not leveraging and it would be the Republicans and Democrats fault.

You blaming Obama at this point, screams that you have no clue what is going on. Actually, you sound like an old nut case and your rants scream mental problems.

SallyRand · 07-17-2011, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Happen to have a source for that quote? I'm guessing not.....

Anyway, that's not leveraging and it would be the Republicans and Democrats fault.

You blaming Obama at this point, screams that you have no clue what is going on. Actually, you sound like an old nut case and your rants scream mental problems.

By manipulating the disbursement of Social Security funds for political gain, Barack Hussein Obama is threatening a portion of the USA population with the spectre of starvation and is in effect declaring war on that portion of the population.

The use of starvation as a weapon of war is considered to be a Crime Against Humanity and is an indictable offense under international law.

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/en...t=sta rvation

"Report of the Commission on Responsibility:

Based on several documents supplying evidence of outrages committed during the First World War, the 1919 Report of the Commission on Responsibility lists violations of the laws and customs of war which should be subject to criminal prosecution, including ?deliberate starvation of civilians?.

"United States of America
The Annotated Supplement to the US Naval Handbook (1997) states:
Art. 54(1) [of the 1977 Additional Protocol I] would create a new prohibition on the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare ? which the United States believes should be observed and in due course recognized as customary law. "

07-16-2011, 07:22 PM	#57
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money. Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap. Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops... __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I bet most of you LOVE your smart phones and portal devices ability to last forever. Oh that.... lithium battery, it can last for days now and recharges so damn fast, it kills old battery technology like no other, or does it? The lithium in new phones and devices is remarkable, and it comes from the Afghan mines, which we discovered through this war. War is making your lives better, you benefit and profit from it right now, you benefit in ways you could never dream of, be careful what you wish to end, your business may go with it. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-16-2011, 07:15 PM	#51
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Sally Rand, your cruise ship is awaiting.

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07-16-2011, 07:48 PM	#70
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	SallyRand obviously knows as much as he has been able to read then cut and paste from various disparate sources. Word on the street is that there are less than 300 million of you in the USA and Billions of people in the other countries you like to disparage so much with your racist flapping. You see your simplistic arguments fail to take into account that worldwide Market Forces dictate the breadth and scope of what the US Congress can do economically. The USA like every other country on the planet has to work within certain parameters to be able to manage the economy. The US is in a bind at the moment, it has the choice of raising the debt ceiling or default. Obviously default is not really an option for a larger developed economy like the USA because unlike Greece, the USA controls a larger debt to GDP ratio than Greece is allowed. The machinations of the US congress, the brinkmanship of parties in the US political system, almost always leads to eventual compromise, this time will be no different. The US will not default, a bipartisan deal will be struck and the US debt ceiling will be raised.

07-16-2011, 07:54 PM	#75
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	The USA is not involved in three wars. It is not at war with Libya, it is not at war with the State or Governement of Afghanistan or the State of Iraq or Government of Iraq. Right now the role of the US, Australia and UK in Afghanistan is more of a peace keeping role, the allies have already completed the task of establishing relatively coherent Government in these two countries and are now undertaking operations to ensure the long term viability of these states and their respective infant democracies.

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