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TheDoc · 07-17-2011, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

By manipulating the disbursement of Social Security funds for political gain, Barack Hussein Obama is threatening a portion of the USA population with the spectre of starvation and is in effect declaring war on that portion of the population.

The use of starvation as a weapon of war is considered to be a Crime Against Humanity and is an indictable offense under international law.

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/en...t=sta rvation

"Report of the Commission on Responsibility:

Based on several documents supplying evidence of outrages committed during the First World War, the 1919 Report of the Commission on Responsibility lists violations of the laws and customs of war which should be subject to criminal prosecution, including “deliberate starvation of civilians”.

"United States of America
The Annotated Supplement to the US Naval Handbook (1997) states:
Art. 54(1) [of the 1977 Additional Protocol I] would create a new prohibition on the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare … which the United States believes should be observed and in due course recognized as customary law. "

No, he never made that threat, he isn't manipulating the funds in any way, shape or form.... and you still can't prove none of that fake quote shit you've spewed throughout this post.

Oh yeah, we aren't at war with ourselves..... so basically all the other crap you posted is pure trash.

I'm pretty sure that you're not actually an American, that's part of the lie that is SallyRand. I'm going to say you're from russia, probably ukrainian. Your English-writing skills scream that you're a communist.... so it must be true.

Hank_Heartland · 07-17-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money.

Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap.

Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops...

Now who's being overly simple...oh we default and life just carry on...I'm sure the world economy would appreciate that

SallyRand · 07-17-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

No, he never made that threat, he isn't manipulating the funds in any way, shape or form.... and you still can't prove none of that fake quote shit you've spewed throughout this post.

Oh yeah, we aren't at war with ourselves..... so basically all the other crap you posted is pure trash.

I'm pretty sure that you're not actually an American, that's part of the lie that is SallyRand. I'm going to say you're from russia, probably ukrainian. Your English-writing skills scream that you're a communist.... so it must be true.

My English writing skills indicate that I am a sentient and professional speaker and writer of the language; a published author of fiction, technical articles, non-fiction articles, have an upcoming article in a vintage auto magazine and although I do indeed have friends who were once Commmie Bastiges, they have seen the error of their earlier beliefs and now embrace capitalism and all the good things that go with it.

I am not now nor have I ever been a *Communist*............

What I am is this and I want you all to join me:

Am also Native Kansan; a Jayhawk to the core so Go Fuck Yourself and take your silly-assed spin with you!

Coup · 07-17-2011, 09:12 AM

The "Socialist" is preventing socialism! that bastard!

Cognitive dissonance by the truckload!

TheDoc · 07-17-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

My English writing skills indicate that I am a sentient and professional speaker and writer of the language; a published author of fiction, technical articles, non-fiction articles, have an upcoming article in a vintage auto magazine and although I do indeed have friends who were once Commmie Bastiges, they have seen the error of their earlier beliefs and now embrace capitalism and all the good things that go with it.

I am not now nor have I ever been a *Communist*............

What I am is this and I want you all to join me:

Am also Native Kansan; a Jayhawk to the core so Go Fuck Yourself and take your silly-assed spin with you!

Wow, you wrote a few blog posts, made your own ebook that nobody purchased and joined the ranks of many others published in avn, xbiz and the fubar times... many of which aren't American either, so grats to you all!

Yeah, most Russies born after the fall feel this way, but they still are what they are. Sleepers often know the areas they're told about in great detail, often better than life long residents... that seems to fit you perfectly.

TheDoc · 07-17-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

Now who's being overly simple...oh we default and life just carry on...I'm sure the world economy would appreciate that

It's not complex at all... we wouldn't really be in default. If we stopped spending, our income is vastly higher than our real costs, like payments on interest, basic services, etc. The gov shutting down does not mean the fed reserve and banks and american business stops, not even the full gov stops...

Even if we went in default, we still have 10x the money vs cost ratio than the next country and that amount over what is needed overall. It's impossible for us to be in default... we would need to stop making money first.

Either way, based on the 14th Amendment, Obama isn't allowed to let us go into default. So either this is total media hype spin and we will never really go into default, or both sides are willing to let Obama set this anyway he likes, without the ability to stop him. Which I find, very unlikely.

lazycash · 07-17-2011, 09:49 AM

Sally, did you get your check yet?

2MuchMark · 07-17-2011, 10:19 AM

SallyRand:

You don't get it at all. There is no money left.

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt. The US economy was very strong and the value of the US dollar was high.

When bush came in, he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and removed taxes completely from big oil, GE, etc. He also started a war against a country who was not your enemy, de regulated the banks, and drove the US into severe debt. By the time he was finally out, the US was falling into recession and over 700,000 jobs were being lost every single month.

Besides Kill Bin Ladden, Obama pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster returned socialized medicine, and hundreds of other things, all WITHOUT the help from the fuckers in the GOP.

The GOP's agenda is very clear : Get Obama out, no matter what. They don't give a damn about what happens to your country or even the world. They just want Obama.

It is really, really sad what is happening to your country. There is shit everywhere you look. The GOP wants poor people to get poorer, sick people to get sicker. They are trying to steal votes, ruin the environment, etc. Just ... everything...

You need to see things from an outsides point of view. We Canadians, Brits and the rest of the world are all watching what is going on in your country very closely and we are awash in stunned disbelief. We are watching your country, as beautiful as it is, fall apart right before our eyes.

President Obama is not perfect, no one is. But from our point of view he seems like he is the only one who actually cares about his country.

Robbie · 07-17-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

The US is in a bind at the moment, it has the choice of raising the debt ceiling or default.

I don't see it that way. The U.S. could stop flinging missiles at Libya at 1.2 million dollars a pop. We could close down the 800 military bases in OTHER countries that we sustain around the world at taxpayer expense. The U.S. defense dept. is also one of the world's largest landowners with around 2,202,735 hectares of land with domestic and intl. bases combined.

The U.S. could also immediately STOP all pork spending. Stop all foreign aid. Stop the million things the govt. is doing that it shouldn't be doing. And yes I know that people in govt. feed us the line that "foreign aid is only a tiny percentage of blah, blah, blah"
Yes, but it adds up to BILLIONS of dollars. And when you add that up to all the other things then you start getting to TRILLIONS of dollars.

Congress and Presidents spend money like drunken sailors.
Check this out: "Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than its income."

My point is that there is absolutely no reason for the U.S. govt to go into "default". We CAN make our payment on the debt. We CAN keep the essential services of our govt. open and running. We are NOT broke and we do not necessarily have to raise the debt ceiling.

But the politicians in Washington D.C. want to just keep spending money on EVERYTHING and keep going further and further into debt.

Robbie · 07-17-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt.

Clinton in retrospect was a great president. And definitely one of the smartest guys to hold that office in a long time.

Having said that....he also benefited from an incredible thing called the "internet bubble".

For the first time in decades an entirely new source of revenue came into being. People started making money on something that had not existed before: the internet.

I remember it very well and how the economy just took off. THAT is what really got the revenue to the federal govt. put into overdrive. And Clinton was smart enough to keep his hands off of it and let it run.

Of course the bubble burst in 1999. But it was a GREAT run while it lasted for sure. Lot of money was made (and that money was taxed).

Clinton also reformed welfare and actually cut a lot of govt. spending.
He also had a mostly peaceful tenure (exception of flinging some missiles at Bosnia and Iraq here and there)...so military spending was not only lower...but he actually CUT and closed a lot of military bases.

SallyRand · 07-17-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

SallyRand:

You don't get it at all. There is no money left.

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt. The US economy was very strong and the value of the US dollar was high.

When bush came in, he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and removed taxes completely from big oil, GE, etc. He also started a war against a country who was not your enemy, de regulated the banks, and drove the US into severe debt. By the time he was finally out, the US was falling into recession and over 700,000 jobs were being lost every single month.

Besides Kill Bin Ladden, Obama pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster returned socialized medicine, and hundreds of other things, all WITHOUT the help from the fuckers in the GOP.

The GOP's agenda is very clear : Get Obama out, no matter what. They don't give a damn about what happens to your country or even the world. They just want Obama.

It is really, really sad what is happening to your country. There is shit everywhere you look. The GOP wants poor people to get poorer, sick people to get sicker. They are trying to steal votes, ruin the environment, etc. Just ... everything...

You need to see things from an outsides point of view. We Canadians, Brits and the rest of the world are all watching what is going on in your country very closely and we are awash in stunned disbelief. We are watching your country, as beautiful as it is, fall apart right before our eyes.

President Obama is not perfect, no one is. But from our point of view he seems like he is the only one who actually cares about his country.

Obama has NOT "returned socialized medecine".

His so-called "heath care" system ONLY mandates the people BUY health insurance or face civil and potential criminal prosecution.

I'd be really interested in you enumerating those "hundreds of other things", by the way!

Additionally under the Tyranny of The Chosen One, the USA has the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression.

And BULLSHIT that we need to see things from YOUR standapoint!

Like the viewpoint of broke-assed Greece?

The viewpoint of officially bankrupt Iceland?

How about the viewpoint of economically failed Ireland?

Maybe the viewpoint of soon-to-be another broke-ass, Portugal?

We need to SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE IN THE USA!

The Social Security money is indeed there; The Chosen One is merely using it as a lever to both get his budget passed and angle for a second term.

Obama says we have to eat our peas, so...................................

SleazyDream · 07-17-2011, 11:36 AM

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TheDoc · 07-17-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Some of the shit you come up with... The 14th Amendment!

Section 4 of the 14th amendments confirms the legitimacy of all United States public debt appropriated by the Congress. It also confirmed that neither the United States nor any state would pay for the loss of slaves or debts that had been incurred by the Confederacy. For example, several English and French banks had lent money to the South during the war. The Supreme Court ruled that under Section 4 voiding a United States government bond "went beyond the congressional power.

It's simple, the American people are sick of our government putting their personal agenda ahead of what the people want/need. Obama wants a second term and has no problem running up more debt to stay in office. The republicans know this and with a high probability the economy is going to crash, as a democrat is in office and then use this as a platform to run on reform or whatever. In short, the Republicans are so desperate for power they'll run the risk of tanking the economy to be in a position to grab power.

We are in serious trouble and the best thing is for the market to crash so we can start over and build a more solid system with new laws about lending and credit. Sadly, this will never happen and we will go the way of Japan and slowly bleed to death because of Government leaders are pussies with their primary objective, stay in office.

The Government and Americans are too far in debt to ever have past market growth. It needs to crash.

It would be better if you don't try to and translate what it says, but rather quote it... unless you enjoy me making you look stupid, then, continue on...

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Agent 488 · 07-17-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

He also deregulated bank mergers that was set into place after the great depression. Due to this we are in a world of financial shit because of it.

pretty much. clinton was good at creating an illusion of wealth. when the reality was stagnant wages, increase in debt and yes the deregulation that partly caused the financial crisis.

BFT3K · 07-17-2011, 12:23 PM

TheDoc · 07-17-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Dumb fuck it was cut/paste from Wikipedia and I did not translate it. Besides, your original post using it as a reference was completely moronic, normal from you.

Oh... I'm shocked that you admit to reading the wiki, it's like putting a sign on your forehead that reads, stupid!

Based on what I said and the amendment says, he isn't allowed to let it go into default. Next time I suggest reading the top 2/3 of the wiki.... rather than spouting your mouth here.

kane · 07-17-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Jesus.... who is the girl in your sig?

I have no idea. I asked the person who gave it to me and they weren't sure either. I would love to find out.

Robbie · 07-17-2011, 12:58 PM

I am just strongly of the opinion that the govt. and the media are trying to frame this situation as "raise the debt ceiling or go into default...end of the world"

And I think that we are being fed false info on that.

My opinion based on the past few decades of our govt. is this:
They will keep on spending more than we take in.
If ANY taxes are raised they will NOT be used to lower the debt...they will be SPENT by Congress & the President on more shit.

Any person or any business in the world would be unable to do what they are doing.
Just using common sense should tell us that the spending has to STOP. And I'm not talking about social security. Unfortunately we are all locked into that with no way out.
But everything else should and has to be on the table.

Nobody can just keep spending when they are already in 41 years of DEBT.

Robbie · 07-17-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

We need a real president to make tough decisions because we are in serious trouble.

I believe that a president isn't capable of changing any of this. It's going to take more than that. As long as the members of the house and senate are all profiting from the taxpayer and passing spending bills that are nothing more than govt. handouts to their business cronies back home we are screwed.

I swear to God I'm really starting to think "Libertarian"
This whole "republican" vs "democrat" fictional charade that they are presenting us is nothing more than a way to distract from what they are really doing in Washington.

I'm starting to think this whole corrupt thing is going to implode soon.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-17-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I am just strongly of the opinion that the govt. and the media are trying to frame this situation as "raise the debt ceiling or go into default...end of the world"

And I think that we are being fed false info on that.

My opinion based on the past few decades of our govt. is this:
They will keep on spending more than we take in.
If ANY taxes are raised they will NOT be used to lower the debt...they will be SPENT by Congress & the President on more shit.

Any person or any business in the world would be unable to do what they are doing.
Just using common sense should tell us that the spending has to STOP. And I'm not talking about social security. Unfortunately we are all locked into that with no way out.
But everything else should and has to be on the table.

Nobody can just keep spending when they are already in 41 years of DEBT.

Social Security and Medicare are both untouchable and any politician who can walk, chew gum at the same time and who also wants to be reelected knows as much.

The teabaggers don't seem to get it and that is why they'll be a negligible factor post 2012.

The only viable solution to the debt crisis is to grow the fucking economy and pay off the debt with the resultant increased tax revenues.

Problem is nobody has a clue how to go about doing such

.

Agent 488 · 07-17-2011, 01:25 PM

i'm sure huge corporations increasingly dwindling their tax bills to almost zero (while still feeding themselves at the public trough and benefiting from the social and industrial infrastructure taxes pay for) over the past 30=40 years has nothing to do with it ... yes it is rational to make your average worker bee with their pittance of social benefits to "make the hard choices" and "tighten their belts" ...

Robbie · 07-17-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

The only viable solution to the debt crisis is to grow the fucking economy and pay off the debt with the resultant increased tax revenues.

And even if they did...would they actually PAY THE DEBT DOWN? I bet they wouldn't. I bet that any politician (republican or democrat) would immediately start spending more the minute that the budget shows a surplus (just like Bush did when he took over from Clinton).

These politicians are in it for themselves (human nature) and they have FREE money to play with. They didn't earn it.

They TAKE it from us. And then they have the audacity to state that letting big corporations keep more of their own money is a "tax giveaway".

They actually don't consider anybodies money to belong to the people who actually earn it. The govt. thinks of all the money that other people earn to be THEIRS. They ALLOW us to keep a percentage! That's the way it's viewed in Washington. They don't even hesitate to spend it like it's nothing to them

I believe people are starting to tire of that.

2MuchMark · 07-17-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Clinton in retrospect was a great president. And definitely one of the smartest guys to hold that office in a long time.

Having said that....he also benefited from an incredible thing called the "internet bubble".

hi Robbie,

For sure he was at the right place at the right time, but had he not raised taxes and fixed the problems that he did, the Internet bubble would have resulted in less income for the US Government, and may have stifled the growth of the bubble too. Who knows... I could give some credit to timing, but for sure the guy was a great president.

2MuchMark · 07-17-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Obama has NOT "returned socialized medecine".

His so-called "heath care" system ONLY mandates the people BUY health insurance or face civil and potential criminal prosecution.

I'd be really interested in you enumerating those "hundreds of other things", by the way!

Here you go:

What Has Obama Done?
Tangible Accomplishments

Acted to remove registered lobbyists from federal advisory commitees.
Abandoned Bush administration plan to build antiballistic missile shield in Eastern Europe
Imposed tariffs on tires imported from China
Expanded retirement savings options through IRS changes
Annonunced that it will release White House visitor logs with some exceptions
Renominated Ben Bernanke to second four-year term as chairman of the Federal Reserve
Announced $12 billion initiative to reform community colleges
Nominated Regina Benjamin as surgeon general
Extended executive order to freeze assets of Liberian ruler Charles Taylor
Announced two-year pause on new mining claims near Grand Canyon (Interior Secretary Salazar)
Signed bill appropriating $7.65 billion to respond to H1N1 flu epidemic
Reached agreement with American Hospital Association to cut Medicare reimbursements and payments by $155 billion over 10 years
Joined international declaration on energy and climate change
Announced regulatory changes underway to improve food safety standards resulting from Cabinet-level working group
Issued Department of Energy rule for increased energy efficiency standards
Signed supplemental appropriations bill and signing statement including funding for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as for preparation for a HINI flu pandemic
Hosted White House reception honoring contributions of gay and lesbian Americans
Signed act granting FDA regulatory authority over tobacco products and mandating addition tobacco regulation
Announced plan for regulatory reform of financial system and creation of new Consumer Financial Protection Agency
Extended Federal benefits for same-sex partners and urged Congress to overturn Defense of Marriage Act to enable additional extensions of benefits
Created White House Office of Olympic, Paralympic, and Youth Sport
Recommended Medicare and Medicare changes intended to save $300 billion over 10 years
Proposed to Congress that future non-emergency tax cuts or entitlement expansions be offset by revenue increases or spending reductions ("PAYGO")
Negotiated new agreement with Russia to reduce and limit offensive weapons
Signed bill to create commission to honor Ronald Reagan upon 100th anniversary of his birth
Nominated Judge Sonia Sotomayor as Supreme Court Justice to succeed Justice David Souter
Signed mortgage reform legislation intended to prevent fraud and enable homeowners unable to pay their mortgages to refinance
Signed bill to permit Pentagon to abandon projects when costs significantly exceed projections
Signed credit card bill of rights to benefit consumers
Announced national policy on fuel economy and greenhouse gas emission for cars and trucks for 2012-2016 model years
Issued one-year extension of sanctions against Burma for repression
Blocked release of photos documenting abuse of detainees held abroad by U.S. authorities
Signed Serve America Act to expand AmeriCorps program to 250,000 volunteers by 2017
Upheld Department of Defense use of military commissions to try detainees held for suspected terrorism while promising them expanded rights
Appointed John Holdren to advise president on science and technology
Issued executive order to protect and restore Chesapeake Bay
Authorized use of force to rescue American captain held by Somali pirates
Directed release of confidential memos on torture and shielded officials who conducted torture from prosecution
Encouraged legislation to direct credit card issuers to provide clear disclosure of lending terms and limit penalties and fees
Removed restrictions for travel, and sending money, to Cuba for people with family members in that country
Created White House Office of Health Reform
Established a White House Council on Women and Girls
Dedicated $75 billion in funding to a Treasury Department program to prevent mortgage foreclosures
Ordered executive officials to consult with Attorney General before bypassing statutes based on authority of Bush administration signing statements
Issued memorandum directing development of a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making.
Revoked restrictions on stem cell research imposed by the Bush administration
Committed administration to budget requests that will reduce annual deficits by half by end of current presidential term
Revoked Bush amendments to Clinton era executive order effectively reinstating previously greater transparency in regulatory planning and review
Created urban affairs office within White House
Extended Hurricane Katrina relief aid
Modified and ordered a panel to review the faith-based initiatives program
Ordered the Department of Energy to expedite energy efficiency standards for appliances
In signing ARRA bill, fulfilled campaign promise to extend and index fix for Alternative Minimum Tax inflation inequity
Shepherded and signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (aka: "economic stimulus package")
Signed S-CHIP bill authorizing expanded health care coverage for children
Expressed opposition to bonuses for executives of Wall Street companies receiving bailouts
Ordered military to begin planning withdrawal of troops from Iraq
Established right of first refusal for employees displaced under Federal contracts
Placed limits on activities that may be funded with Federal funding
Reinforced compliance with Federal labor laws in procurement
Appointed task force on middle-class working families
Allocated up to $20 million for relief to Gaza residents
Signed bill expanding time frame during which workers can sue for discrimination
Issued memoranda to promote environmental standards requesting the EPA review decision to prevent states from imposing stricter auto emissions standards and impose federal fuel efficiency standards more rapidly than previously scheduled
Ordered review of detention for sole individual held within U.S. as enemy combatant
Issued order mandating presumption of openness in responding to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests
Rescinded Republican expansion prohibiting aid to foreign governments for family planning that includes information on abortion
Ordered closure of Guantanamo and secret CIA prisons
Reversed a Bush policy to block release of presidential papers
Instituted new limits on lobbyists in White House
Froze salaries of White House employees earning over $100k
Temporarily halted tribunals of Guantanamo captives
Issued freeze on last-minute Bush administration regulations
Acknowledged nonbelievers in inauguration address
Committed to publishing all non-emergency legislation to the White House website for public review for five days before signing.

Intangible (Asserted) Accomplishments
"Reset" relationship with Islamic world with landmark speech
Established posture of candor and openness in working with world leaders
Instituted a new approach to managing foreign affairs decisionmaking that combines decisive action with an openness to White House staff input
Inspired a new sense of hope and responsibility among African-Americans
Established new tone for U.S. policy on Middle East
Reinstated concept of due process for terrorism detainees

topnotch, standup guy · 07-17-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And even if they did...would they actually PAY THE DEBT DOWN?

We'd all like to think that maybe they've learned something in the meantime, but you're probably right

Problem is, failing an economic boom, I see no way of reducing the national debt short of reducing living standards in this country to third world status.

And as we all know, no politician could survive that politically or perhaps even literally.

.

GregE · 07-17-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

pretty much. clinton was good at creating an illusion of wealth. when the reality was stagnant wages, increase in debt and yes the deregulation that partly caused the financial crisis.

Right about now, leadership that was capable of creating even the faintest illusion of prosperity would make for a welcome change.

BFT3K · 07-17-2011, 04:28 PM

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,683	SallyRand: You don't get it at all. There is no money left. When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt. The US economy was very strong and the value of the US dollar was high. When bush came in, he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and removed taxes completely from big oil, GE, etc. He also started a war against a country who was not your enemy, de regulated the banks, and drove the US into severe debt. By the time he was finally out, the US was falling into recession and over 700,000 jobs were being lost every single month. Besides Kill Bin Ladden, Obama pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster returned socialized medicine, and hundreds of other things, all WITHOUT the help from the fuckers in the GOP. The GOP's agenda is very clear : Get Obama out, no matter what. They don't give a damn about what happens to your country or even the world. They just want Obama. It is really, really sad what is happening to your country. There is shit everywhere you look. The GOP wants poor people to get poorer, sick people to get sicker. They are trying to steal votes, ruin the environment, etc. Just ... everything... You need to see things from an outsides point of view. We Canadians, Brits and the rest of the world are all watching what is going on in your country very closely and we are awash in stunned disbelief. We are watching your country, as beautiful as it is, fall apart right before our eyes. President Obama is not perfect, no one is. But from our point of view he seems like he is the only one who actually cares about his country. __________________ Custom Software \| Server Management \| Integration and Technology Solutions https://www.2much.net

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I am just strongly of the opinion that the govt. and the media are trying to frame this situation as "raise the debt ceiling or go into default...end of the world" And I think that we are being fed false info on that. My opinion based on the past few decades of our govt. is this: They will keep on spending more than we take in. If ANY taxes are raised they will NOT be used to lower the debt...they will be SPENT by Congress & the President on more shit. Any person or any business in the world would be unable to do what they are doing. Just using common sense should tell us that the spending has to STOP. And I'm not talking about social security. Unfortunately we are all locked into that with no way out. But everything else should and has to be on the table. Nobody can just keep spending when they are already in 41 years of DEBT. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i'm sure huge corporations increasingly dwindling their tax bills to almost zero (while still feeding themselves at the public trough and benefiting from the social and industrial infrastructure taxes pay for) over the past 30=40 years has nothing to do with it ... yes it is rational to make your average worker bee with their pittance of social benefits to "make the hard choices" and "tighten their belts" ...

07-17-2011, 04:28 PM	#127
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764