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MaDalton · 07-31-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Hmmmm.... Seems to me like the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan have been removed by the US, and replaced. So yes, we won.

China.... China doesn't have a blue water navy. They couldn't attack the continental US to save their own asses.

i don't get why many like you always immediately think in military terms - it's only missing Vendzilla now who explains that chinese submarines cannot compete with american submarines...

China does not plan to attack anyone, they just show strength so that no one gets the idea to attack them on their soil.

but if you look at their economic development over the last 20-30 years then you know that it's only a question of time till they are number one anyways. without a single shot.

MaDalton · 07-31-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Number 1 in what is my question?

GDP

they are already second and while it's still a big gap to the US, they are growing faster than anyone else. look what they have achieved just over the last 10 years...

for example car industry - 10-15 years ago they were mostly building old Volkswagen, now they have a whole car industry. Which is in many aspects still inferior, but give it another 5-10 years. and for almost any other industry branch you can find similar examples.

they are smart, they know we want a share of their 1 billion people market. but they only let you if they keep 51% in joint ventures and this way they are learning faster about our technology than we can stay on top with new inventions. and some day this gap will be closed and we are simply outnumbered.

the whole military aspect that is mentioned over and over again is totally irrelevant, they won't fight anyone. and no one will attack them.

Joshua G · 07-31-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by uno

I think you are grossly misjudging what the "tea party" wants. They don't want the government to live off of the cash coming in. They want to completely choke out and strangle the government so it dies. They don't want any taxes on anyone/company for any reason. They want Government to keep its filthy hands off their medicare!

Regulations kill the poor businesses who are only looking to innocently exploit, pollute and enslave for the pure innocent purpose of profits for shareholders/executives.

Maybe my sarcasm meter is malfunctioning because I know i've seen you be tongue-in-cheek and (i hope) sarcastic about these things before.

not really. Thing about the tea party is that its very small, no power, no central leader that people can cite as the face of the party. That makes the tea party like bendable clay - people cast their own biases upon the tea party.

Your pics are interesting because its true there are morons at tea party rallies. Critics seize upon the stupidity of 1 or 2 signs & paint the whole party with that brush. People who hate the right can pick out michelle bachmann & say that this is the true tea party. I would say she is nothing but a carpetbagger.

Bottom line is that the tea party is whatever its supporters & critics want it to be. In my biased view, tea party is the only entity standing up against the runaway spending that both major parties created.

just a punk · 07-31-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

I LoL'd

Oh yeah, I'm too

kaori · 07-31-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

how would they do that if they wanted to?

Lock up contracts with suppliers of resources for China.
Obtain privileged trading status with current suppliers to China of Crude, Logging/paper products, Steel....

Otherwise, it's just a matter of 'when', and I don't believe the Chinese government will be as forgiving or tolerant as the US melting pot has been for the past 90 years....
screw 'war'.
China will be able to economically strangle the US in 10 years... All they need are enough resources...
China doesn't have to worry about medicare, education, labour laws...
It's best to put out a fire before it gets too big...

MaDalton · 07-31-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kaori

Lock up contracts with suppliers of resources for China.
Obtain privileged trading status with current suppliers to China of Crude, Logging/paper products, Steel....

Otherwise, it's just a matter of 'when', and I don't believe the Chinese government will be as forgiving or tolerant as the US melting pot has been for the past 90 years....
screw 'war'.
China will be able to economically strangle the US in 10 years... All they need are enough resources...
China doesn't have to worry about medicare, education, labour laws...
It's best to put out a fire before it gets too big...

it's too late already...

look up "rare earth" metals - until now at least China has more or less a monopoly, and without those there's almost no modern technology

so if you tax your imports from China, they stop delivering those and you're screwed

also where (or how) will you buy your precious iPhone, iPads, Dell computer or almost every other electronic device without manufacturer like Foxconn who employ 1 million people for an average of like $200-$300 a month.

btw - if i say "you" i mean all of us in the western world, we have lost the fight already, from here it's only trying to profit from their growth or surrender

Agent 488 · 07-31-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

China GDP is $6 Trillion while the US is $14.5 trillion. China's main growth is imports to the US as this cools due to our slow economy. Meaning, they are growing at 10% a year on average, would take another 10 years if the US GDP went completely stagnate. Also, their economy growth dropped 50% during our housing bubble and proves a symbiotic relationship with the world's growth.

IMO this is impossible for China to pass us because China can only grow if we and the rest of the world have boom economies so they can sell more products. Currently, if the US wants to kill China's growth we'd simply slap a 25% import tariff on all products.

What China doesn't see is we're doing the same as we did to Japan in the late 80's early 90's just on a much larger scale. Meaning, Regan raised the debt limit 17 times and actually tanked the stock market.

What did this do to the Japanese and their imports? It completely killed their economy and their own markets have yet to recover and 21 years later they're markets trade at 1/4 their 1990 level and Japans GDP is still at the 1994 level with a -5% growth this year.

I'd be willing to bet China will bust in the next 10 years because their market/GDP growth is based on products and NOT innovative ideas like the US. In short, they're being setup and know it, just to grab what they can.

china will / is move to sell their products in increasingly hungry emerging markets. none of these processes are linear. and to say chinese are unable to innovate is basically xenophobic western propaganda.

Agent 488 · 07-31-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

That's bullshit or they've would have done it already. Second, the US is a dumping ground for their products as we buy 25 pack socks at walmart for $20, the rest of the world pays triple and where China makes it's true profits.

If China can't dump their products in the US cheaply then they can't make bigger profits in other countries. This will slow production, overhead, and cause other countries like Viet Nam to step in the cheap labor market.

Again, exactly what we did to Japan as then everything was made in Taiwan, then China, and soon to be Viet Nam.

don't think anyone would share your version of economic history.

just skimming the news found this:

http://the-diplomat.com/2011/08/01/h...beat-them-all/

According to Schleicher, Shanghai?s education system is distinctive and superior?and not just globally, but also nationally. Hong Kong, Beijing, and ten Chinese provinces participated in the 2009 PISA, but their results reflected education systems that were still the same-old knowledge acquisition models, whereas Shanghai had progressed to equipping students with the ability to interpret and extrapolate information from text and apply it to real world situations?what we would normally refer to as ?creativity.? Twenty-six percent of Shanghai 15 year-olds could demonstrate advanced problem-solving skills, whereas the OECD average is 3 percent.

MaDalton · 07-31-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

IMO this is impossible for China to pass us because China can only grow if we and the rest of the world have boom economies so they can sell more products. Currently, if the US wants to kill China's growth we'd simply slap a 25% import tariff on all products.

German economy is booming and they are still No. 4 of the world - just an example - and they buy a lot of chinese products too ;)

and we're not talking just about socks anymore, how many computers are actually manufactured in the US?

if you would add 25% import tax to chinese products, many american companies (like Apple, Dell) would suffer immensely cause no one can afford their products anymore

and it would take years to replace suppliers like Foxconn with something local or in any other cheap labour country.

Agent 488 · 07-31-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

can you name one product used to better the world they've developed in comparison to I dunno, a light bulb, a cell phone, personal computer, airplane, communications satellite, etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science...Research_areas

yeah nothing at all. they are just robots and we are enlightened individuals.

like i said. just xenophobic propaganda used to mobilize american's against the yellow peril. nothing to do with reality.

marlboroack · 07-31-2011, 05:59 PM

Everyone is pissed at USA, let's just hope Apple has our back.

MaDalton · 07-31-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You completely missed the point. The US is a dumping ground for anything produced in China as they sell their products slightly above cost here as the rest of the world, (Germany) pays 20-30% more and where China makes their true profits. Meaning, we are at the wholesale level comparatively because of how much we buy.

If Americans stop buying, production costs go up and so does the end product. If this goes up China produces less, their economy deflates, and makes them more vulnerable to competition pricing through cheaper labor elsewhere.

a) how do you know everyone else pays more for chinese products? did you make a market research?

b) you can't afford to put import taxes on chinese products. your lower and middle class can't afford it.

it always reminds me of this cartoon

drmadcat · 07-31-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

a) how do you know everyone else pays more for chinese products? did you make a market research?

b) you can't afford to put import taxes on chinese products. your lower and middle class can't afford it.

it always reminds me of this cartoon

your the most sensible person on here

Rochard · 07-31-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i don't get why many like you always immediately think in military terms - it's only missing Vendzilla now who explains that chinese submarines cannot compete with american submarines...

China does not plan to attack anyone, they just show strength so that no one gets the idea to attack them on their soil.

but if you look at their economic development over the last 20-30 years then you know that it's only a question of time till they are number one anyways. without a single shot.

I tend to think of such things in military terms because I am former military, and I study military history. China has the right idea. They have a strong military, but keep to themselves. These days they don't even seem to support North Korea that much. However, their military is un-tested and hasn't seen combat since the 1950s.

As for their economic might, well, they will be number one in our life time. However, that economic might will be based on citizens of the US buying stuff from China - and we can fix that over night if we really wanted to.

Agent 488 · 07-31-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Did you even read the link you pointed to? - Again, as you pointed out with "Shanghai?s education system"- They've yet to invent anything in comparison to what I pointed out.

So please enlightened us and tell us what "Shanghai?s education system" has developed to better the world other then bullshit propaganda?

you don't even make sense.

Agent 488 · 08-01-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Did you even read the link you pointed to? - Again, as you pointed out with "Shanghai?s education system"- They've yet to invent anything in comparison to what I pointed out.

So please enlightened us and tell us what "Shanghai?s education system" has developed to better the world other then bullshit propaganda?

what did the detroit education system, the miami education system, the houston education system create in the last few years comparable to paper and gunpowder?

you are using the same argument on me. it's just stupid and you are smarter than that.

Fabien · 08-01-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by babymaker

China gives us money to buy their crap products since no one eles wants it, so they are fucked without us. Plus we have better weapons so we only have to pay if we want to they have to kiss our ass. What are they going to do fight us, we don't fight conventional wars anymore based on amounts of people, it's based on weapons, and we win.

Shit

I'll pretend that i've never read this reply

JamesGw · 08-01-2011, 08:45 AM

I don't know how much is actually wrong with America. I really think we're just chewing ourselves apart.

blackwater · 08-01-2011, 09:23 AM

Time to open your borders.
What china has is millions of workers prepared to work for food and shelter.
This kind of labor is essential.

That is why we buy their shit. Its cheep. Any product for sale outside of the U.S that is made in the U.S is usually a high end product. Well made but comes at a price because U.S workers demand good wages and rightly so.

Manufacturing is where it (the solution) lies and the U.S have not adapted to a changing global economic climate.
Everyone is crying out for tougher border controls but the reality is you need them immigrants, like it or not.
Sure, the US prisons are one of the largest employers paying pennies per hour but are only so many blacks you can lock up without civil unrest.

Bladewire · 08-01-2011, 10:02 AM

People trying to make us Americans afraid of losing the #1 economy spot OMG

We really don't care about being the biggest and the best, a common foreigner misconception.

LIST OF COUNTRIES BY GDP

A lot of great places to live that aren't #1

Australia
Canada
United Kingdom
Germany
Spain
Netherlands
Switzerland
Sweden

I'd rather live in America and be happy farther down the list then be #1 and live in enslaved and repressed China.

sperbonzo · 08-01-2011, 11:11 AM

Interestingly, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER in that article to back up the headline that China is losing patience.

There is not one cite, not one quoted Chinese government source, NOTHING.

Purely the opinion of the author, based on nothing.

Not your best find, Halfpint.

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blackwater Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 117	Time to open your borders. What china has is millions of workers prepared to work for food and shelter. This kind of labor is essential. That is why we buy their shit. Its cheep. Any product for sale outside of the U.S that is made in the U.S is usually a high end product. Well made but comes at a price because U.S workers demand good wages and rightly so. Manufacturing is where it (the solution) lies and the U.S have not adapted to a changing global economic climate. Everyone is crying out for tougher border controls but the reality is you need them immigrants, like it or not. Sure, the US prisons are one of the largest employers paying pennies per hour but are only so many blacks you can lock up without civil unrest.