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Old 08-03-2011, 10:15 PM   #51
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i live in an area where ak's are banned so i dont own any but if you want cheap and reliable nothing will beat a ak

here is a good deal on a ak http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct765.aspx
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I'm preparing for YOUR financial meltdown Choker - oh wait, "Choker Traffic since 2000".
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Get some cash and have it "on hand" is all I can advise. That, and lots of canned foods.
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And for the guy who had to put his 2 cents in about the heart being in the middle, the point of shooting in a group is to show skill. Which that close ass group showed well. .223 bounces like a motherfucker, and the hydrostatic shock alone would fuck your world up if not outright killing you. But these are all things people who shoot and train for SHTF scenarios know.
Well, not to be a dick but that shot grouping is pretty bad for only 30 yards on iron sights. On a 300m target with iron sights, I'd say you'd miss a good 60% of the time.
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I'm preparing for YOUR financial meltdown Choker - oh wait, "Choker Traffic since 2000".
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Get some cash and have it "on hand" is all I can advise. That, and lots of canned foods.
Well cash looses 3% of its value yearly according to that graph. While this thread is entertaining, it went a different direction. What are you guys putting your money in? Silver and gold in my opinion is too risky at this point in time.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:50 PM   #55
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Well cash looses 3% of its value yearly according to that graph. While this thread is entertaining, it went a different direction. What are you guys putting your money in? Silver and gold in my opinion is too risky at this point in time.
IMHO.. if you're going to put money into anything for a shit hits the fan scenario, put it into consumables. Especially food.

Doesn't matter how much gold you have if the shit does hit the fan. Those with the most means to survive (food, shelter, water), and good self protection are going to be the ones who survive. The guy with all the gold will be one of the first to go...
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I'm selling of my stocks and bonds and put the money into gold and silver.
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If you really want to get ready for the SHTF scenario. Read this blog kept by a guy during the Argentina meltdown. Should be read by EVERYONE.

http://when-shtf.blogspot.com/2010/1...-collapse.html

No need to thank me, just read it, and be ready if it ever happens.
WoW ...... what a read.


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I think it's not how many guns, its the amount of ammo that's important
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If you really want to get ready for the SHTF scenario. Read this blog kept by a guy during the Argentina meltdown. Should be read by EVERYONE.

http://when-shtf.blogspot.com/2010/1...-collapse.html

No need to thank me, just read it, and be ready if it ever happens.
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Preparing for the melt down. Great thread Choker. With what's happening around the world the future could be very hard. Money in anything that has an inflated or superficial value could be hit, you can't eat gold or silver. Silver is used a lot in manufacturing, as these markets get hit less value in silver.

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Wrong.

It's the ability and will to use them.

A survey of WW2 soldiers who actually shot to kill discovered the % was very low, even when under attack. If all you middle class keyboard warriors thing you're more willing to kill someone than a pent up mob fueled by it's own momentum or someone whose so desperate to get something you have, then think again.

Modern soldiers have to go through very intensive training to be taught to kill. giving them a gun, ammo and teaching them to aim and pull the trigger at a paper target is something anyone can do. Killing someone is something very different.

Go back to playing soldiers on your computers.
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:44 AM   #61
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Well, not to be a dick but that shot grouping is pretty bad for only 30 yards on iron sights. On a 300m target with iron sights, I'd say you'd miss a good 60% of the time.
You assume a lot. How do you know he's not zero'd out for 100yds max? Shooting someone at 300M is called Murder in the USA.
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You assume a lot. How do you know he's not zero'd out for 100yds max? Shooting someone at 300M is called Murder in the USA.
Well, you did mention shoot and train for 'shit hits the fan' scenarios... and training at 300m on iron sights is military standard* in the good 'ol US of A... so if you're not going to bother to train as good, or better, than the military... why bother training?

*As far as qualification goes. There are 4 targets @ 300m.. 4 targets which are usually the determining factor between an expert marksman... and a sharpshooter. Sure, you could settle for 36 out of 40... but we are talking "shit hits the fan" scenario.. and I dunno about you but I'd want the best possible training in such a scenario.. regardless of how ridiculous the notion itself is.
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If you really want to get ready for the SHTF scenario. Read this blog kept by a guy during the Argentina meltdown. Should be read by EVERYONE.

http://when-shtf.blogspot.com/2010/1...-collapse.html

No need to thank me, just read it, and be ready if it ever happens.
Read it like 2 years ago, it's pretty good and pretty long
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Well, you did mention shoot and train for 'shit hits the fan' scenarios... and training at 300m on iron sights is military standard* in the good 'ol US of A... so if you're not going to bother to train as good, or better, than the military... why bother training?

*As far as qualification goes. There are 4 targets @ 300m.. 4 targets which are usually the determining factor between an expert marksman... and a sharpshooter. Sure, you could settle for 36 out of 40... but we are talking "shit hits the fan" scenario.. and I dunno about you but I'd want the best possible training in such a scenario.. regardless of how ridiculous the notion itself is.
Like I said, you are assuming a lot. He's not in the military, and shooting 30yds. That is decent grouping for non military. I'd say he is doing a decent job, most ppl buy the long guns and never fire them at all. I'm pretty sure if he went with a decent ACOG, those groups would be tighter.
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Preparing for the melt down. Great thread Choker. With what's happening around the world the future could be very hard. Money in anything that has an inflated or superficial value could be hit, you can't eat gold or silver. Silver is used a lot in manufacturing, as these markets get hit less value in silver.

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Wrong.

It's the ability and will to use them.

A survey of WW2 soldiers who actually shot to kill discovered the % was very low, even when under attack. If all you middle class keyboard warriors thing you're more willing to kill someone than a pent up mob fueled by it's own momentum or someone whose so desperate to get something you have, then think again.

Modern soldiers have to go through very intensive training to be taught to kill. giving them a gun, ammo and teaching them to aim and pull the trigger at a paper target is something anyone can do. Killing someone is something very different.

Go back to playing soldiers on your computers.
When's the last time you've been in the military? We were given paper targets and told to shoot them. LOL
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When's the last time you've been in the military? We were given paper targets and told to shoot them. LOL
A member of the family is in the military and very very trained to kill people. we talked about the training. The thought process has to be conditioned out of recruits so they don't think when killing people. It's part of the job.

He said teaching him to hit a target 1000 meters away was easier than teaching him to kill someone 10 meters away.

How long did the training take you and what level were you at?

He's at the top level.
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If you really want to get ready for the SHTF scenario. Read this blog kept by a guy during the Argentina meltdown. Should be read by EVERYONE.

http://when-shtf.blogspot.com/2010/1...-collapse.html

No need to thank me, just read it, and be ready if it ever happens.
Good read but a totally different scenario from what the doom sayers are expecting.
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Like I said, you are assuming a lot. He's not in the military, and shooting 30yds. That is decent grouping for non military. I'd say he is doing a decent job, most ppl buy the long guns and never fire them at all. I'm pretty sure if he went with a decent ACOG, those groups would be tighter.
I'm not assuming anything.. I'm just saying that people who are supposedly preparing for the king shit of hitting fan then they should train properly :P

And it's not like being in the military itself teaches you how to shoot... the same manual they use out on the ranges is readily available for download from the army's website... There's not much they actually teach you outside of that... since most DS/DI's have only ever had the same training they're giving you.

http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry...F/FM3-22-9.pdf

Anyway, the whole notion itself is ridiculous anyway.. there are about a handful of people who actually give a shit that the US is going down the shitter extremely fast. The rest are too occupied with the bullshit the media feeds them, american idol, facebook etc. Otherwise known as... sheeple ><
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This



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I alternate buck shot and slugs in the chamber and then have a speed loader filled with buckshot. I can fire about 20 rounds in 8 seconds.
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and this ftw.



I alternate buck shot and slugs in the chamber and then have a speed loader filled with buckshot. I can fire about 20 rounds in 8 seconds.
Those would honestly serve a much more useful purpose than any rifle if the shit ever did hit the fan and it was all or nothing, live or die...
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you gun collecting warriors are forgetting a couple of problems your guns can not protect you from...

One, you will need to sleep. You can stay up for a day or two and still be sharp enough to take someone out but after that your head and any common sense you have is gone. (believe me, i've been an insomniac for years...)

Second, as someone mentioned earlier, if there is a mob of people coming at you? It doesn't matter what your packing.. they will advance eventually and they will get to you.


A better solution is developing a strong sense of community.. friends, neighbours, relatives. Human survival has always done well in communities or groups. If it's just you and a few people in your house against everyone else you don't stand a chance...


oh.. and this type of scenario will not play out in north america in our lifetimes, we should all feel lucky that we don't need to deal with such decisions.
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Yup, a mob that comes to my door will get ripped to shreds in under 10 seconds. The recoil is really light on these. The one thing I salute the French did right.
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Yup, a mob that comes to my door will get ripped to shreds in under 10 seconds. The recoil is really light on these. The one thing I salute the French did right.
sounds like you are stocked up on kool-aid too! you = well-prepared.
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i don't get the price difference on the mossbergs.........L-pink's are in the $1500 range but the others are ~$350 ish.

i understand that competition shotguns are pricey, but that high end mossberg isn't competition, it's tactical.

i've got a remington 870 tactical, i think i paid $400 for it many years ago. i've run quite a bit of ammo through, rock fuking solid.
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Well, not to be a dick but that shot grouping is pretty bad for only 30 yards on iron sights. On a 300m target with iron sights, I'd say you'd miss a good 60% of the time.
everyones a professional behind the keyboard. Do you own any guns at all?
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sounds like you are stocked up on kool-aid too! you = well-prepared.


WTF happened to you? You used to post cool informative shit. Now you are just one of the caustic fucking embeciles that routinely post here.

You also posted you own weapons too.. what's up with that Holmes???? You got a case of shotgun envy?

You know starving yourself, smoking weed and shotguns in the house is dangerous. Lay the pipe down, head to Carl's Junior and chill the fuck out.

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WTF happened to you? You used to post cool informative shit. Now you are just one of the caustic fucking embeciles that routinely post here.

You also posted you own weapons too.. what's up with that Holmes???? You got a case of shotgun envy?

You know starving yourself, smoking weed and shotguns in the house is dangerous. Lay the pipe down, head to Carl's Junior and chill the fuck out.

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If you really want to get ready for the SHTF scenario. Read this blog kept by a guy during the Argentina meltdown. Should be read by EVERYONE.

http://when-shtf.blogspot.com/2010/1...-collapse.html

No need to thank me, just read it, and be ready if it ever happens.
A very interesting read! I got down to where he speaks of body armor, but got called away. Can't wait to finish. Thanks for the link, even if you don't want it, lol.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:29 AM   #89
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i hope they have a cool off delay on gun purchases in your area.
They do... and I have owned my spas for 10+ years without killing anyone.

Hope they have drug testing for gun purchases in your area
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:39 AM   #91
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WTF happened to you? You used to post cool informative shit. Now you are just one of the caustic fucking embeciles that routinely post here.

You also posted you own weapons too.. what's up with that Holmes???? You got a case of shotgun envy?

You know starving yourself, smoking weed and shotguns in the house is dangerous. Lay the pipe down, head to Carl's Junior and chill the fuck out.

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i'm going to take the time to reply to this seriously.

i could not care less if you lump me into the *caustic fucking embeciles* group at gfy. fact is, your comment earlier
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Yup, a mob that comes to my door will get ripped to shreds in under 10 seconds. The recoil is really light on these. The one thing I salute the French did right.
shows you to be ill-prepared and in the scenario you envision, you will be ripped apart, limb by limb.

re: my own weapons. yes, i've had a cache of weapons in the past, and i was a card-carrying member of the nra with membership at several gun clubs, etc. and i even used to give ar-15 assault rifles out to my employees as gifts and such. i had to get rid of my ar-15 when i moved to california. soon after, i ended up gifting all of my firearms, except shottie mcboomerson, to my dad after coming to the conclusion that i am not a gun guy.

as for shotgun envy, i think my post earlier inquiring about the mossbergs shows that i am not feeling envy.

you can try and portray my lifestyle as you did above, but that rly says a lot more about you than me.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:52 AM   #92
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I don't think shit'll hit the fan that bad. It might though. I'm just chillin'.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:58 AM   #93
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i'm going to take the time to reply to this seriously.

i could not care less if you lump me into the *caustic fucking embeciles* group at gfy. fact is, your comment earlier


shows you to be ill-prepared and in the scenario you envision, you will be ripped apart, limb by limb.

re: my own weapons. yes, i've had a cache of weapons in the past, and i was a card-carrying member of the nra with membership at several gun clubs, etc. and i even used to give ar-15 assault rifles out to my employees as gifts and such. i had to get rid of my ar-15 when i moved to california. soon after, i ended up gifting all of my firearms, except shottie mcboomerson, to my dad after coming to the conclusion that i am not a gun guy.

as for shotgun envy, i think my post earlier inquiring about the mossbergs shows that i am not feeling envy.

you can try and portray my lifestyle as you did above, but that rly says a lot more about you than me.
First, I own 2 Mossbergs and the spas-12 is a far superior weapon. In fact, for the scenario I envisioned it is the perfect weapon above all other legal US options.

Second, you have routinely boasted about your use of herb. This is not something I made up. So you can question my temperament from a forum post, but your drug use is not to be questioned?

OK... you win. You are a weapons expert and the mossberg is the ultimate. Take another toke and forget this conversation ever happened.
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OK... you win.
good, now fuck off.
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good, now fuck off.
That's better!
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for those who cannot read between the lines of my posts, i am trying to provoke your thought processes.

here, i will spell it out for you instead:

the one thing most all survivalists have in common is the inability to accurately assess their plan and modify it going forward.

they also discuss their plan, sharing information on what is stored and how it is *defended*

if you are thinking it's a guns a blazin shoot em up, you really need to have a fully thought out >1000 yard defensive plan to cover your stockpile.

and most MOST importantly, a team approach consisting of as many neighbors as possible offers the biggest chance of survival.

/caustic fucking embecile
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What's goes up must comes down. Gold going down sooner or later.
Of course it will come down. Then it will go back up. And probably down again. And back up. But the trend will be UP. Why? Because currency (especially the USD and Euro) is uncertain. And if the merry-go-round stops and you're holding nothing but paper, you lose.

Can it happen? Sure.

Will it happen? No one knows, but I'd hate to be left holding nothing but my dick if it did.

Nothing wrong with preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. And that really applies to food storage or any other aspect of survival preparation.
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for those who cannot read between the lines of my posts, i am trying to provoke your thought processes.

here, i will spell it out for you instead:

the one thing most all survivalists have in common is the inability to accurately assess their plan and modify it going forward.

they also discuss their plan, sharing information on what is stored and how it is *defended*

if you are thinking it's a guns a blazin shoot em up, you really need to have a fully thought out >1000 yard defensive plan to cover your stockpile.

and most MOST importantly, a team approach consisting of as many neighbors as possible offers the biggest chance of survival.

/caustic fucking embecile
A financial meltdown does not have to mean a zombie attack on your home.
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Wrong.

It's the ability and will to use them.

A survey of WW2 soldiers who actually shot to kill discovered the % was very low, even when under attack. If all you middle class keyboard warriors thing you're more willing to kill someone than a pent up mob fueled by it's own momentum or someone whose so desperate to get something you have, then think again.

Modern soldiers have to go through very intensive training to be taught to kill. giving them a gun, ammo and teaching them to aim and pull the trigger at a paper target is something anyone can do. Killing someone is something very different.

Go back to playing soldiers on your computers.
Hey Paul,
I was in the military, I was trained to use the 1911a and the M14. I have a ribbon for both, The statement I made was in the response to state governments wanting to limit availbility of ammo to try and control our second amendment rights, so stay in your country if that bothers you.
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