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Old 08-07-2011, 08:20 PM   #201
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:38 PM   #202
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I buy a lot of ammo, vacuum pack it with a oxy abosorber and put it in a safe. With no preservation ammo last for 30 years. Using this method should be good for 50 or more but more importantly in ten years this vacuum packed ammo in it's original box will still look as new as the day it was bought. Whenever I hit Walmart 2 or 3 times a month I stock up, but problem is they are always out of what I need. Yesterday I went in and noticed that the prices are up about 25% across the board except for the 100 box cases of 12 guage which is still $22.99. Talking to the clerk, he said yeah we raised prices last week as supply is limited and everyone is buying us out as soon as we stock the shelves. Went to Outdoor World today same thing. Hell you gotta take a number slip to get waited on at the guns area there. Fucking insane.

One things for sure. If shit hits the fan there will be enough guns on the streets to supply every American with at least 1.
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Whenever I hit Walmart 2 or 3 times a month I stock up, but problem is they are always out of what I need. Yesterday I went in and noticed that the prices are up about 25% across the board except for the 100 box cases of 12 guage which is still $22.99. Talking to the clerk, he said yeah we raised prices last week as supply is limited and everyone is buying us out as soon as we stock the shelves. Went to Outdoor World today same thing. Hell you gotta take a number slip to get waited on at the guns area there. Fucking insane.

One things for sure. If shit hits the fan there will be enough guns on the streets to supply every American with at least 1.
Thank baby Jesus I'm in Thailand.

I'm surprised you have not moved abroad Choker. You can build a Waco style compound in some places in the world for a fraction of probably what you've spent there already. And though it's illegal, you can easily buy shit like boxes of grenades, land mines, assault weapons, and rocket launchers over here (from Cambodia), if one were so inclined. Why fight a mob trying to break into your home when you can line your yard with mines?
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I buy a lot of ammo, vacuum pack it with a oxy abosorber and put it in a safe. With no preservation ammo last for 30 years. Using this method should be good for 50 or more but more importantly in ten years this vacuum packed ammo in it's original box will still look as new as the day it was bought. Whenever I hit Walmart 2 or 3 times a month I stock up, but problem is they are always out of what I need. Yesterday I went in and noticed that the prices are up about 25% across the board except for the 100 box cases of 12 guage which is still $22.99. Talking to the clerk, he said yeah we raised prices last week as supply is limited and everyone is buying us out as soon as we stock the shelves. Went to Outdoor World today same thing. Hell you gotta take a number slip to get waited on at the guns area there. Fucking insane.

One things for sure. If shit hits the fan there will be enough guns on the streets to supply every American with at least 1.
Which caliber ammo did they raise prices on? prices are same here.

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Choker if you stockpile guns, ammo, food, and medicine then some CNN/Fox News/Jersey shore watching turd will call up Homeland Security and report you for being a potential terrorist. Your door will be kicked in and you will be hauled off to the gulags. You are far too white, independent, and liberty loving to be included in the coming Marxist state. Your best shot is to call up Homeland Security and tell them you want to be an informant for them. Start issuing reports to them about suspicious persons. Who are "suspicious persons"? That is an easy answer because Homeland Security has already made it clear who they want to target:

1. war veterans
2. Ron Paul supporters
3. People who talk about the Constitution and Bill of Rights
4. White people
5. gun owners
6. people who protest the traitorous whores in powerful positions that send our sons and daughters to die in wars that have nothing to do with USA interests.
7. People who try to expose false flags such as 9/11

Hopefully we will have you as a member of our club! Comrade Choker stand up!!!!!!!

P.S. Choker we were all talking at our weekly meeting and we are hoping you could try to look "less white". It is really scaring some of the other members because they don't believe you are legit. Thank you

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Actually your membership to the club is been rejected. I watched one of those Homeland Security training videos and you look too much like one of the bad guys. I decided to report you myself. Sorry bro but gulags are not as bad as you think. You will have a few million other people just like yourself so you guys and sit around and talk about those silly things like the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
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you gun collecting warriors are forgetting a couple of problems your guns can not protect you from...

One, you will need to sleep. You can stay up for a day or two and still be sharp enough to take someone out but after that your head and any common sense you have is gone. (believe me, i've been an insomniac for years...)

Second, as someone mentioned earlier, if there is a mob of people coming at you? It doesn't matter what your packing.. they will advance eventually and they will get to you.


A better solution is developing a strong sense of community.. friends, neighbours, relatives. Human survival has always done well in communities or groups. If it's just you and a few people in your house against everyone else you don't stand a chance...


oh.. and this type of scenario will not play out in north america in our lifetimes, we should all feel lucky that we don't need to deal with such decisions.
Yes, but then they can't pretend to be Internet John Rambo. The best defense is to work with others and build some safety in numbers.


Too all the gun toting heroes we have here..

Umm Hello shot guns are fine for home defense, but you have to go out at some point.

It would have get get all Afghanistan up here, for it to be come acceptable to walk around with an assault rifle or packing your favorite zombie killer shot gun in public. You will just get taken out from a distance by the guy you didn't see and he will come take your gun from your cold dead hands.
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Which caliber ammo did they raise prices on? prices are same here.
Everything i usually buy even 22 lr went from 15.97 t0 22.97 for the 555 box. 9mm, 7.62, .223 .380, they all went up about 25%. I went to Outdoor world yesterday and compared prices, they are about the same as walmart now. Before they were always about 10 to 25% more than Wally.
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Here's my opinion:

Depending on the crisis a total financial collapse will cause a run on the banks and grocery stores insuring looting and riots. The national guard and police will crackdown hard and why I suggest you don't buy guns now unless it's a private party sale or gun show.

We've learned in Katrina the police had all the information on applicants of gun owners and went to their homes to collect them. The constitution and your rights meant nothing as they eliminated all potential threats as private security firms like Black Water, just appeared.

I firmly believe they'll also try this first, depending on how widespread the problem grows they'll eventually retreat to a defensive posture to protect what local government can provide for them. Meaning, they are going to wait until the dust settles and then try again to restore order.

Obviously, this is my opinion off research I've done for years, but depending on the scenario it's hard to know how to prepare, most Americans are not prepared period.

The average American household can hold out for 30 days with the food they have in their home now. Water will be the main factor, but by quickly filling your tub, sinks, or whatever, you'll insure 30 days of clean water. If it goes past 30 days the system is truly breaking down and different problems will exist depending if you're in the city, burbs, or countryside.

IMO, the cities are best because people will abandon the burbs and the countryside doesn't have the resources you'll need unless you're from there. Besides, most people in this kind of scenario will stick to places they know and feel safe. Neighborhoods will come together for protection and resource sharing because Americans always come together and help during a real crisis.

The real problems start after 90 days when collective resources dry up and understand the government or lack off, can't help the masses. People will be forced to make tough decisions and when the true threats reveal themselves. In short, people start to die from lack of medication, hygiene issues, and lack of resources.

Segregation will start based off those strongest pushing "their" ideologies as the weak get pushed out to fend for themselves. It won't take long for the strong to go on the offense due to the lack of order and to test their new found power. Matter of fact, I'd bet rogue police and former military will be the first, like in post Soviet collapse.

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Keep your mouth shut and blend as the alpha's play themselves out. I'd keep one firearm and minimal supplies because odds are they'll get taken from you anyway. A fortress mentality will insure someone storming the fort. So having bulk anything is just stupid, while arms/supplies should be hidden in a few locations. Just have a bug-out bag to insure your best defense, running.

Your health is the most important and due to stress, lack of sustenance, and disease, medication/vitamins should be at least number 2 on your list. Your ultimate goal is just survive long enough for order to be restored.

Civil War:

As crazy as this sounds, we're too divided as a country and a financial collapse would make the US susceptible to a succession, especially in the South and West Coast. To be honest, this is what I'm preparing for.

I've studied urban warfare for years and know the best strategies to survive. If this happens most of you are buying the wrong weapons. A shotgun is not going to help you or your $400 badass Romanian AK, because that's going to stovepipe after 300 rounds. Your AR is going to jam because you haven't put 1000's of rounds through it to loosen it up, or you left loaded mags in your closet/safe for years killing the spring tension.

Nothing wrong with having an AR or a proven AK to trade or close protection, but your best bet is to have an urban sniper rifle because snipers are the most feared people on a battlefield, especially in cities. Stalingrad proved a 100 snipers could kill 950+ German soldiers, most being officers.

The setup:

Two 14 inch x 4ft long PVC pipes with rubber seal gaskets screw on ends.

Pipe 1: A AK tantal with 4 mags, 500 FMJ, AK knife, Bic lighter, 4 MRE's, clothes, medicine, bandages, smokes, 4 small bottles of makers, chlorine tabs, thin blanket, and laced rubber shoes. Cost- $780

All items were shrink wrapped and in the pipe sealed, buried somewhere safe. No money because smokes and Whiskey will be the currency.

Pipe 2: A 6mm custom Sako synthetic, Leupold glass, range finder, 200 rds, knife, Bic lighter, 4 MRE's, clothes, medicine, bandages, smokes, 4 small bottles of makers, chlorine tabs, thin blanket, and laced rubber shoes.
Cost-$2,550

I selected the 6mm and the 5.45x39 because they are easier to carry and firmly believe a faster bullet does lot's more damage. Shooters argue that the 308 is the best sniper round for for accuracy, but a 6mm has a lower recoil and flatter (500 yard) faster bullet that's perfect for urban sniping.

Total cost: $3,500

Conclusion:

Although, I have lot's of silver coins that I'll be selling off this week, collecting silver and gold is useless because when economies collapse, history has proven many times these metal are soon outlawed.

Anyway, for $3500 I feel safe.

Long post but I was also meaning to write if for my blog too.
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I just bought a bullet proof and stab proof vest. Probably the biggest waste of money ever, but maybe it will save my life when I get blackout drunk in the bars one night, unless of course someone stabs me in the face.
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He's not lying, and most likely very jealous. With the greenback as the default currency for Oil, the USA just prints out more and more without a care.
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He's not lying, and most likely very jealous. With the greenback as the default currency for Oil, the USA just prints out more and more without a care.
Iran recently started trading without using the dollar. They are sending India billions in oil and India will settle up at a later point. Doubt they will settle up with dollars. Just another reason I guess to get the "wipe out Iran show" on the road now instead of later.
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I just bought a bullet proof and stab proof vest. Probably the biggest waste of money ever, but maybe it will save my life when I get blackout drunk in the bars one night, unless of course someone stabs me in the face.
Kevlar jackets have a expiration date don't they? Was checking them out not long ago if I remember correctly they loose thier effectivenness with age.
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Just was checking out a friend's new one the other night. Solid choice.
I picked up 2 of them this last weekend, one a 6 rounder the other 8. 500's are nice, well balanced and low recoil.
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In gold news, Hong Kong just picked up 25 more tonnes of gold, and the biggest gold shops in Thailand (huge gold shops) almost closed down today due to so many selling today at this high price. Then on one of their major news networks they urged citizens to actually borrow money against their cars and homes to buy as much gold as possible, because the USD is going to totally collapse and gold is going to skyrocket. So no telling what will happen tomorrow here.
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Kevlar jackets have a expiration date don't they? Was checking them out not long ago if I remember correctly they loose thier effectivenness with age.
This is supposedly a 2010 issue jacket made for police in the UK by an American company. You can wear it under your clothing.

It wasn't very expensive though, so I am not expecting much. Let's just say I definitely won't be testing it out on purpose to see if it stops a bullet.
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This is supposedly a 2010 issue jacket made for police in the UK by an American company. You can wear it under your clothing.

It wasn't very expensive though, so I am not expecting much. Let's just say I definitely won't be testing it out on purpose to see if it stops a bullet.
What is the shelf life on them? 5 years?
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Not sure. There is a label inside, hopefully that says when it arrives. Was more of a novelty purchase.
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With all the riots going on over here on the UK and the amount of people involved in each attack a gun will do nothing to help you

Just imagine at the very least 100 - 300 guys comming at you with weapons and firebombs ..you gonna shoot them all by yourself ?

On your own, no matter how many guns you have you have no chance against mobs

If we were armed over here in the UK we would have now had a bloodbath

I only hope that you dont see the same over iN the USA as we are now seeing over here in the UK
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With all the riots going on over here on the UK and the amount of people involved in each attack a gun will do nothing to help you

Just imagine at the very least 100 - 300 guys comming at you with weapons and firebombs ..you gonna shoot them all by yourself ?

On your own, no matter how many guns you have you have no chance against mobs

If we were armed over here in the UK we would have now had a bloodbath

I only hope that you dont see the same over iN the USA as we are now seeing over here in the UK
Sorry, but you are wrong. During the LA riots, Korean Store Owners kept a vigil on top of their stores with Shotguns and rifles. Their stores didn't get sacked or burned down. Funny that, eh? Nobody wants to get shot.

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With all the riots going on over here on the UK and the amount of people involved in each attack a gun will do nothing to help you

Just imagine at the very least 100 - 300 guys comming at you with weapons and firebombs ..you gonna shoot them all by yourself ?

On your own, no matter how many guns you have you have no chance against mobs

If we were armed over here in the UK we would have now had a bloodbath

I only hope that you dont see the same over iN the USA as we are now seeing over here in the UK
You are wrong. Put 100 people in front of me as a mob. Burst off 3 or 4 rounds into the mob. You think they are gonna keep coming on or run away? Mobs are not composed of 1865 civil war soldiers heading into barrages of bullets for glory. Now a zombie mob would keep coming. You gotta shoot those fuckers in the head.
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You're right and this would NEVER happen in the US:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-street.html
Asshole would have been full of little holes going in, big ones going out.
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Old 08-11-2011, 02:35 PM   #230
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Ok as a result of this thread I decided to put some money into some guns and ammo, and some food. I figure AR-15's can be greased up real good, put in vacuum bags and all the air sucked out. Then just throw them in safes. Should be easy to resell them in the future at a really good profit. If a new assault gun ban were to go into effect they would be priceless.
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Old 08-11-2011, 05:27 PM   #231
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You aren't going to wake up one day and look out your window to see a barren post apocalyptic hell-scape with roving gangs of Mad Max style criminals.
For some reason this description is insanely entertaining. I am laughing like hell reading it.

I just picture waking up, heading to the kitchen in a robe, grabbing a cup of coffee and starting to read the paper and looking out the window to see this.
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:19 AM   #232
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For some reason this description is insanely entertaining. I am laughing like hell reading it.

I just picture waking up, heading to the kitchen in a robe, grabbing a cup of coffee and starting to read the paper and looking out the window to see this.
Who will have delivered the paper?
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