marketsmart

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georgeyw

So he won?

marketsmart

I SAID "/thread closed.."

but yes, toyed with a great fighter...




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sicone

He looked bored and made the fight look easy

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AAB

GSP is the best pound for pound MMA fighter

georgeyw

He is an amazing fighter, but I really thought he would be tested in this fight.

Shame, would love to see him really tested by someone.

marketsmart

because that's how good he is...

the guy keeps getting better and better...






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marketsmart

i would say he is number 2..

i love GSP. but he is not as dominating as silva..

i would love to see silva drop down to 175 and GSP go up to 175 and fight...




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mynameisjim

He is amazing, but he did get his ass beat by Sonnen pretty good. GSP has never been beat up that bad during his title defenses so it's still a toss up in my book who is the best. Silva finishes, but GSP has never been been beat up. I say it's a draw between Silva and GSP, at least for now.

I think a rematch with Sonnen or Belfort will end Silva's streak. Not sure which one, but he will probably not be able to win both.

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Anthony

Let's talk numbers.

Georges St Pierre in his last 10 fights, KO/Sub'd 2 of 10 fighters, and won the other 8 via Decision.

Anderson Silva in his last 10 fights, has KO/Sub'd out 8 out of 10 fighters, and won the remaining 2 via Decision.

You are wrong.

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marketsmart

i think silva got a little lazy during that time.. he had back to back weak fights and then he started to have that fire again..

i wish the UFC would fight these guys at least 3 times a year instead of once or twice..

these guys are in their prime right now..





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AAB

BTW, props to the ref for instantly recognizing an illegal strike and interrupting the fight. Silva was being dominated there and if it weren't for illegal tactics, he would have gotten pwnt. Silva is the most overrated fighter.

Anthony

Anderson Silva had a rib injury during that fight with Chael Sonnen. At the end of the fight, who tapped out? Chael did. That's what Champions do, fight to the end and win.

You are aware that this last guy, Okami was training with Chael and Team Quest right? From the damn wall and stall bullshit they use at that camp, to the half plum and uppercut shit on the cage that everyone knows they go for right off the bat.

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marketsmart

i did not know that the crack was so good in canada these days....





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mynameisjim

Sonnen is the x factor in the pound for pound equation. Someone in Silva's weight class has his number. Nobody has yet shown that they have GSPs number.

If GSP and Silva both had to rematch their toughest opponents, the money would have to be on GSP to win his fight. That's what makes it a draw in my book at this point. If Silva rematches Sonnen and puts him away, then Silva is the best pound for pound fighter. Until then it is a draw.

BTW, Okami was not a worthy opponent for Silva, but the same can be said against a few of GSP opponents. Japanese fighters struggle at the mid level of the UFC, let alone the elite level.

edit: I posted this before I saw your rib injury post. Nobody knows the true extent of that injury so not sure how much you can factor that in. Like I said, if he rematches Sonnen and puts him away, he will be the best pound for pound fighter without question.

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Anthony

You talk a lot of shit, and make sweeping generalizations.

Why don't you back it up and post proof about how he's so over rated.

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Anthony

What do you mean x factor? Sonnen fought an injured Anderson, why is that so hard to understand? A healthy Aranha would whoop Chael's ass everywhere.

http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/201.../chael-sonnen/

If you are going to debate, the first rule is to know all the facts.




Have you just started watching MMA? Anderson has lost to Ryo Chonan via inverted Heel Hook, that was probably in every knowledgeable MMA fan's memory, his toughest opponent to date he's lost too. He would destroy Chonnan and make him look like a 6 month white belt today. And even in that fight, he was winning.

He's "cleaned out the Division", do you understand what that term means? There is nobody else to fight in the UFC.

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slapass

Vitor is going to get the belt back. He has the fire back. Then we can talk if silva is the best.

mynameisjim

Are you seriously quoting Sonnen and claiming it to be factual. The guy is a piece of shit, he has said so many crazy things, even about Lance Armstrong, among a million other things to stir trouble and make noise. Pulling a quote from that convicted criminal doesn't really prove anything. He's a borderline sociopath.

As for the toughest opponent part, I mean during both of their UFC title defense runs. You could say GSPs loss to Sera was his worst bout but GSP easily won the rematch.

Arguing the best pound for pound fighter is a somewhat abstract and intellectual debate, the numbers will never tell the whole story. But that's why there is the debate. You seem to be getting a little worked up though, just remember this is a discussion with NO absolute answer, that's why people debate it.

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Anthony

Right, cause Belfort has been back like 3 times already right?

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Anthony

I quoted Sonnen because he's the Horse's mouth. Why don't you read the rest of the article? Or better yet do your own research. Silva won and beat Sonnen with a rib injury.

You are right, I'm getting worked up on debating with casual fans who dont' have all the facts. Lose/Lose situation. Later.

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Relentless

Big nog beat Shaub. Everything else was just gravy.
Great to see him win

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mynameisjim

lol. Did we meet and that's how you came to know my level of MMA history, because I never questioned your knowledge. But then again, I don't assume people are misinformed just because they have a different opinion than I do. I guess that's why I'm not a typical MMA fan.

Oh well, it was still fun discussing the whole pound for pound issue. I think everyone can agree a fight between the two would be amazing, not sure if it will every happen though for various reason. GSPs frame just isn't built for 185 and it's sort of unfair to have any fighter change weight classes for the ultimate super fight of all time. Guys usually change weight classes to get a new start, not to face their toughest opponent of all time. I read somewhere that the difference in their walking around weight is almost 30 pounds.

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georgeyw

I wouldn't waste my breathe if I were you, Anthony doesn't think aside from himself is allowed to have an opinion on *his* sport.

Charlie Fiend

How can anyone in their right mind deny that Anderson Silva is the best? 36 years old and he makes some of the best fighters in the world look like little bitches.

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slapass

My friend works with him so

WarChild

Yeah sorry guys, I love GSP especially given that he's a Gracie Barra black belt and all, but he's not better than Silva. It's not even close.

Dana White knows what's up. The pound for pound best is easily Silva.

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the spider is best hands down

TehKinkyHotness

Anthony = Cockbag of the year

Deej

GSP has been beat up. So has Silva. Theyre both champs. Silva > GSP Any day of the week.

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marketsmart

would you personally present him with that trophy?

i doubt it pussy...






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Mike Honcho

Just realize that Anderson Silva has competed in multiple weight classes, so that alone puts him ahead of GSP.

At this current point in time, he truly is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

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TehKinkyHotness

Sure, this is only the internet.

mynameisjim

Please don't argue this, but discuss it. Does anyone think we'll never truly see the full potential of GSP because he doesn't have that killer instinct? Honestly, I think he doesn't like hurting people and that holds back his ability. He fights just enough to win. A few times when his opponent trash talks he seems to get a little more violent, but he doesn't have that switch he can turn on and become a killer in the ring.

I wonder what GSP would be like if he had that violent killer instinct. BTW, this is a separate issue from the pound for pound discussion.

Either way, some of these new kids coming up will surpass both GSP and Silva. Don't forget, MMA is still a very new sport and the true elite level has not been seen yet. You still have guys who started in MMA a few years ago and they are considered contenders. Nobody could start playing football, basketball, or baseball in their mid 20's and be pro level with just a year or two of training. So that shows the sport of MMA will get so much better in the coming years.

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GTS Mark

Anderson Silva should just retire after the eventual match up with GSP since there simply isn't anyone left for him to fight.... He's cleared out his entire division. Just my 2 cents anyways

Anthony

I got pulled back into this thread with it hitting top again. I highlighted why it's a waste to argue this point with you in this thread.

You aren't misinformed, you are ignorant, big difference.

GSP walks around at 195 to 200lbs. Anderson walks around 210lbs to 225lbs.

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Anthony

I won't be holding my breath.

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Anthony

You just astound me. GSP without killer's instinct. You know he's the Champ, right?

GSP is arguably the first true MMA fighter. Great in every range, standing, clinch, and ground. And it's shown with him holding the belt at an early age, and keeping it. The best MMA prospects will be coming from College Wrestling Programs, and from TRUE MMA gyms.

You want someone to watch, watch this kid:
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Rory-MacDonald-14018

He's a team mate of GSP. Future UFC Champ.

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mynameisjim

Seriously, you need to relax..lol

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Anthony

Yah, I can't wait for Vitor to fight Anderson again, cause he did so much damage to Silva.



/sarcasm

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Anthony

I am perfectly relaxed, waiting to go bike 2 miles to train BJJ. You must have me mistaken for some some fat fuck behind a keyboard who's never trained or fought before. I've been a fan since 1993, when the majority of you still watched WWF and thought it was real.

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Anthony

Sure, I make that same point, but I'm a cock bag.

Of course, I did call people names, and say they were ignorant and shit.

Market Smart always gets me into trouble with these threads.

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mynameisjim

Yes, you are right. Nobody on Earth could possibly match your encyclopedic knowledge of MMA. The rest of us all believe that Hulk Hogan is the greatest fighter of all time.

I think you argue just for the sake of arguing. I said the difference in walking around weight between GSP and Silva is ALMOST 30 pounds. Then you call me ignorant and say the difference can be between 195 - 225. WTF? That looks a lot like almost 30 pounds to me.

Everything I posted in this thread is pretty mainstream and you can see the same things written by sports writers who have been following MMA for decades. You may not agree with some of my opinions, but they are not ignorant or misinformed.

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chaze

And the biggest douche bag in fighting history all packaged up with cute frilly bows.

nextri

Silva vs Jon Jones would be a good matchup. Had they been in the same weight class.

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Anthony

Do you understand what best "pound for pound", means? You argue GSP is the greatest P4P, yet throw up a 30lbs weight difference in your post. What exactly is your point? Either he is, or he isn't.

P4P was created because you can't have a Mike Tyson and a Sugar Ray Robinson fight to show who is the better fighter. And you can say the same thing about GSP and Aranha. The body composition alone gives Aranha the upper hand, longer limbs, better leverage, etc. The only reason why DFW wants this is because there is literally no one left for Anderson.


Actually you'd be wrong on the sports writers following this for decades, as this sport isn't even 2 decades old. Hell by best estimates, modern MMA is between 10 to 15 years old. And if you can't supply any other argument on your own merits without having to quote a website, then I fall back to my earlier post, debating out of ignorance.

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Paul

Rory MacDonald is exciting to watch for sure, totally agree

That would be interesting!

Is there any chance Silva would move up to light heavyweight guys?

I'd love to see him fight against some of the light heavyweights, I think it would make for some really interesting fights considering he's cleaned up the middleweight division.

mynameisjim

I see, you just have problems reading, that's cool.

I never used the 30 pounds as an excuse for the pound for pound argument, I said that it was a factor in GSP accepting a fight with Silva. Go back and read my posts.

While you're going back and reading my posts, notice that I also didn't argue that Silva may not be the best pound for pound fighter. I said that there is an argument to be made for GSP and until Silva rematches Sonnen, there is a sliver of an opening for GSP. If Silva beats Sonnen, he is the best pound for pound fighter of all time without questions. But by your responses so far, that may be a little too nuanced for you to understand.

But yes, I hang around enough people to realize that every guy that trains BJJ in a strip mall storefront assumes he's the foremost expert on all things MMA. Tell you what, you want to be the foremost expert on MMA, go ahead. Anybody taking the time to read this thread can see what I'm saying and it's not that far fetched at all. They will also see that I never once claimed that I was right or that GSP was the best, I simply put forth an argument as to why GSP should still be considered. Personally, I enjoy watching Silva fight more than GSP. I guess you could say I'm a fan of how Silva fights and fan of the way GSP trains.

Anyway, I got into this thread to talk MMA, not argue with you about your expertise or my "ignorance" as you call it. So I'm done here, if you want to make another post and get the last word in, go ahead if it means that much to you to be the "expert".

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zuffa

This has been an entertaining read

WarChild

I believe he already has fought at Light Heavyweight where he knocked the fuck out of Forrest Griffin in the first round lickidy split.

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