FSC: Porn Performer 'Patient Alpha' Retests HIV-Negative

[baddog]

Sorry about that...

CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? Free Speech Coalition announced Saturday that an HIV test for ?Patient Alpha,? administered by an APHSS.org testing facility, has been returned with negative results.

Full story: http://www.xbiz.com/news/138180

[babymaker]

Number 2

[19teenporn]

Number 3...

[papill0n]

what a fuckup lol

[rayadp05]

Awesome news! Glad to hear that the results were negative.

[Phoenix]

man that guy is doing the happy dance today

and all the girls etc
false positives happen often? anyone know?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Number 2

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Number 2

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[DWB]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

false positives happen often? anyone know?

Probably as much as false negatives?

[cherrylula]

Maybe the hiv germs were from the backseat of the car where they drew the blood. lol.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by DWB

Probably as much as false negatives?

asking the same, how much false is false, and real is real?

[TheSquealer]

Free Speech Coalition? First Amendment? I thought the first amendment was about Free Speech? Did it mention AID's?

I guess I need to read it again.

[CaptainHowdy]

[V_RocKs]

And on the 3rd try?

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

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The popo club lol :D

[sinclair]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

man that guy is doing the happy dance today

and all the girls etc
false positives happen often? anyone know?

PCR-DNA Testing
False Positives: 15 in 1000
False Negatives: 3 in 1000

Following up a Positive result on a PCR-DNA with Western Blot assay: 1 in 250,000

[Redrob]

For all you newbies, here is the history of the Free Speech Coalition:

The Free Speech Coalition was founded in 1991 by a group of concerned industry professionals in response to numerous government attacks against producers and retailers of adult products. Its roots are embedded deep within the birth and development of adult entertainment in the United States, and the organization has continued to grow with the industry?s own explosive growth, now representing all segments of adult entertainment on a national level.

The concept of an organization as a rallying point for those who believe in the free expression of adult-themed works began as early as 1970. The first truly national group to emerge was the Adult Film Association of America (AFAA). At the time, adult entertainment was only available in adult theaters and bookstores, so early members were largely theatrical exhibitors. With the advent of inexpensive home videos, the AFAA morphed into the Adult Film and Video Association of America (AFVAA).

The next significant event that galvanized the AFVAA was the arrest of Hal Freeman for pandering. Prosecutors wanted to establish once and for all that paying performers to have sex in a film was an act of prostitution. Freeman won that legal battle, which redefined the use of the pandering laws relative to providers of adult product. As video productions became the dominant factor in the marketplace, theatrical exhibition diminished. Video chains and many independent stores in suburbs and smaller cities started carrying adult fare. Overzealous law enforcement officials subjected more and more retailers to "obscenity" charges.

In 1990, under the first Bush administration, the Federal government attacked most of the major manufacturers of adult video with a sting operation designed to destroy the industry. In response, the Free Speech Legal Defense Fund (FSLDF) was formed by industry leaders to protect the rights of members in all areas of adult entertainment.

In 1992, as the government attack was blunted, the FSLDF decided to select a name more reflective of its broadened role in the adult community and the Free Speech Coalition (FSC) was born.

The Mission Statement for the Free Speech Coalition follows:

The mission of the Free Speech Coalition is to:

Lead, protect and support the growth and well-being of the adult entertainment community.

As the trade association for the adult entertainment we do this by:

Being the legislative watchdog for the industry;lobbying in California and in Congress.

Providing public education, research and reports to gradually change public opinion about adult entertainment.

Providing member publications, seminars, updates, advisories and coordinating member activism toward legislative change.

Improving members? business profit margins by introducing ?value-added? benefits, such as insurance, risk management programs, discounts, etc.

Engaging, as a last resort, in litigation.

Please note that litigation is used as a last resort and not the primary purpose.

[Rochard]

Wonder if the main stream press will pick this up...

[Redrob]

Probably not, as good news usually doesn't sell well.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Wonder if the main stream press will pick this up...

probably . . . . on page 36.

[davecummings]

AP Carried the "negative" announcement PR by FSC--it was shown on the front page of Yahoo News last night, shortly after I posted it to another GFY thread about the HIV scare.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Probably not, as good news usually doesn't sell well.

Yeah, they love to wallow in bad things and never report much positive. Doesn't bring in viewers I suppose

Originally Posted by davecummings

AP Carried the "negative" announcement PR by FSC--it was shown on the front page of Yahoo News last night, shortly after I posted it to another GFY thread about the HIV scare.

That's pretty remarkable!

[WarChild]

I think it's important you check your information with Porno Dan first. He seems to be the only one with all the facts on this.

[Nathan]

Warchild,

because porno dan posts confidential information freely, you think he is the only one with all the facts?

Strange.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Warchild,

because porno dan posts confidential information freely, you think he is the only one with all the facts?

Strange.

I know it's hard to comunicate sarcasm with written words alone on a message board, but believe me that's what I was going for.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I know it's hard to comunicate sarcasm with written words alone on a message board, but believe me that's what I was going for.

hehe, sorry for that.. <g> I wasn't sure, my sarcasm detection is slow tonight, I just came back to europe from the US.

I kinda noticed it must have been when I saw your other post in the old thread..

[DWB]

Did this guy actually get three tests?

One PCR that he failed, then a Western Blot to confirm that positive result. No one will say if it confirmed it or not. Big secret still. Bury this one with Kennedy.

Then tested again and we're told he tested negative. I assume it was another PCR. You would not use a Western Blot to confirm a Neg test, so it is just the main test.

So is this one negative test all everyone is going on, or was there a 3rd PCR test given that he passed? Like the best two of three. Otherwise, you're just rolling 50/50, no?

Anyone know? Rather, anyone willing to talk about it?

Then what really bakes my noodle is, all the talk of the "false positive" test before any more testing. Because that is what it turned out to be. So did he go through this already, test positive once, then test negative and worked? If he knew he had a false positive test, it would only be that if he had another test.

I'll make some calls, see if we can get this info boxed up and stored at Area 51.

[porno jew]

wonder if you can get hiv from a cum omelette?

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by DWB

Did this guy actually get three tests?

One PCR that he failed, then a Western Blot to confirm that positive result. No one will say if it confirmed it or not. Big secret still. Bury this one with Kennedy.

Then tested again and we're told he tested negative. I assume it was another PCR. You would not use a Western Blot to confirm a Neg test, so it is just the main test.

So is this one negative test all everyone is going on, or was there a 3rd PCR test given that he passed? Like the best two of three. Otherwise, you're just rolling 50/50, no?

Anyone know? Rather, anyone willing to talk about it?

Then what really bakes my noodle is, all the talk of the "false positive" test before any more testing. Because that is what it turned out to be. So did he go through this already, test positive once, then test negative and worked? If he knew he had a false positive test, it would only be that if he had another test.

I'll make some calls, see if we can get this info boxed up and stored at Area 51.

I think the types of tests and outcome of them should be released.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I think the types of tests and outcome of them should be released.

If I was working there as talent, I'd demand it.

Dates of ALL the tests, starting from the first positive one, the western blot confirmation, then each follow up or confirmation test, and the testing methods for all.

That would be very fair for models who may not have a lot of faith in the companies who sent them to work with a crossover in the first place.

Wishful thinking though.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by DWB

Did this guy actually get three tests?

One PCR that he failed, then a Western Blot to confirm that positive result. No one will say if it confirmed it or not. Big secret still. Bury this one with Kennedy.

Then tested again and we're told he tested negative. I assume it was another PCR. You would not use a Western Blot to confirm a Neg test, so it is just the main test.

So is this one negative test all everyone is going on, or was there a 3rd PCR test given that he passed? Like the best two of three. Otherwise, you're just rolling 50/50, no?

Anyone know? Rather, anyone willing to talk about it?

Then what really bakes my noodle is, all the talk of the "false positive" test before any more testing. Because that is what it turned out to be. So did he go through this already, test positive once, then test negative and worked? If he knew he had a false positive test, it would only be that if he had another test.

I'll make some calls, see if we can get this info boxed up and stored at Area 51.

I can't answer to the specifics of this case, but my understanding is that if a PCR-DNA test comes back with a preliminary positive result, it require a confirmatory test, which is what they use the Western Blot test for (the two tests look at the virus differently, and combined produce a more complete analysis and more reliable result).

There has been a fair amount of parsing of words and semantical gymnastics going on, which is why I have been calling for an industry set of protocols to be adopted, so that everyone is on the same page.

For example, I thought before a person with a preliminary HIV positive result could truly be considered negative, they actually would have to go through a few more follow-up tests at intervals spread out over a period of weeks. But since the Western Blot has reportedly come back negative, the message that is being filtered out is everything is all clear, nothing to worry about folks, everyone back in the pool.

An outbreak in the industry affects us all, not just the producers directly involved, and most importantly it affects the performers in this industry, many of whom have already had their faith in this biz rocked by the recent PWL BS.

If we want to restore faith and make things right (and even prove that we learned a lesson from this whole ordeal), then we need to do more than issue empty press releases and slap each other on the back for dodging another bullet.

AHF is not going to slow down in it's efforts to have a vote on mandatory condoms on the ballot in LA. If the industry is against this, particularly the LA-based industry, then it better start doing something proactive about it, or the industry will pay a bigger price later...

ADG

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Posted in another thread earlier tonight:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Everything I posted was and still is true

The patient in question did test positive more than once and tested positive via PCR/DNA which is designed for the early detection of the HIV virus.

I am very happy to hear that there was a negative ELISA/Western Blot test, which while a different testing methodology is effective in testing for the HIV virus.

As I suspected, there are still some important questions which remain to be answered.

When Dan first announced that there was a positive test result more than a week ago, the industry response was swift and news traveled fast (although not all of it was accurate), which was followed by some people parsing words and engaging in semantics to further confuse matters by suggesting that there was no positive result whatsoever, or that there had never been a positive test of any kind (which we now know was untrue).

Now we are hearing that there may have been more than one false positive test. WTF?

It will be interesting to see what happens as a result of all of this...

ADG

[DWB]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I can't answer to the specifics of this case, but my understanding is that if a PCR-DNA test comes back with a preliminary positive result, it require a confirmatory test, which is what they use the Western Blot test for (the two tests look at the virus differently, and combined produce a more complete analysis and more reliable result).

That is correct. A positive test result will be confirmed by a western blot.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Posted in another thread earlier tonight:

As I suspected, there are still some important questions which remain to be answered.

When Dan first announced that there was a positive test result more than a week ago, the industry response was swift and news traveled fast (although not all of it was accurate), which was followed by some people parsing words and engaging in semantics to further confuse matters by suggesting that there was no positive result whatsoever, or that there had never been a positive test of any kind (which we now know was untrue).

Now we are hearing that there may have been more than one false positive test. WTF?

It will be interesting to see what happens as a result of all of this...

ADG

Wow, I didn't see that other post from Dan.

If the only negative result is an Elisa test, then that is a pretty stupid and premature point to make press about, as it may be too early to detect the virus with only the Elisa method.

However, that is a GREAT spin to get disinformation out into the mainstream media. Well played.

I don't think I've ever heard of a situation where it's been so difficult to find out if one person has HIV or not. But I guess such shenanigans are to be expected when certain parties are involved.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by DWB

Wow, I didn't see that other post from Dan.

If the only negative result is an Elisa test, then that is a pretty stupid and premature point to make press about, as it may be too early to detect the virus with only the Elisa method.

However, that is a GREAT spin to get disinformation out into the mainstream media. Well played.

I don't think I've ever heard of a situation where it's been so difficult to find out if one person has HIV or not. But I guess such shenanigans are to be expected when certain parties are involved.

Excerpts from a discussion elsewhere (quoting Michael Whitacre):

FSC has not announced the details of the test, and I have not seen the results, or what kind of test it was, but there is NO WAY in hell any lab would rely on an ELISA antibody-based test in the event of a new/acute infection.

Here we have an adult performer, who tests monthly, and suddenly the patient tests positive. That means one of two things:

1) the patient is newly infected; or
2) the test is in error.

NO ONE would test a new case with a ELISA and call it definitive. That’s not in the APHSS protocols, and it wasn’t in the AIM protocols.

Think this through logically, and perhaps we can deduce what happened. Here’s what we know:

Patient Alpha tests positive outside the APHSS system.

Then, somehow, for some reason, APHSS takes over the testing of Patient Alpha.

Talent Testing is NOT affiliated (and reportedly REFUSED to be affiliated) with FSC. TTS wanted that business all for itself.

In order for FSC to step in, Patient Alpha would have had to sign a waiver or set of waivers.

Why would Patient Alpha do that if the Patient was happy with the service received getting at a non-APHSS lab?

Would TTS be HAPPY to see Patient Alpha turn to ASPHSS?

As I wrote in another thread, I hope this whole episode isn't just about a power struggle, and an adult industry testing money-grab, between TTS, APHSS, and AHF.

ADG

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Bump for the Back from Labor Day holiday crowd (and bump for updates and more answers).

ADG

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by sinclair

PCR-DNA Testing
False Positives: 15 in 1000
False Negatives: 3 in 1000

Following up a Positive result on a PCR-DNA with Western Blot assay: 1 in 250,000

Western Blot positive means HIV positive, no doubt.
Western Blot negative confirms nothing really..