Most economical way to start a paysite nowadays?

[charlie g]

I was talking to a potential customer last night about starting a new paysite using some of my content. The gist of the conversation went he didn't want to pay too much for content because he was spending so much for the cms and server. From talking to him, I could tell the guy had no experience running a paysite.

imo, he should use a less expensive cms like awiz and a good site design. Use ccbill as a processor/affiliates and spend his money on content and traffic buys. Grow the site until he can afford to invest in a better cms and he will have a better understanding of what he needs from the cms.

I have no practical experience with paysite development or promotion, but it made me think.

If you were starting a new paysite now, how would you go about it? What part of the site would your emphasis(investment) be concentrated?

[1726cash]

NEW SITE.....can take so many time.Most economical way to start a paysite nowadays? You need CONTENT AND TRAFFIC. The cms and Server will be more easy to setup. But For Traffic you need Content and to make some content you need like 20k or 30k to begin. We shoot in really high quality FULLHD, and good prices.....good energy

[harvey]

I would have FDSign build a great site with a custom CMS filled with more features athn all other CMS combined and with all the money I save I'd buy content from Casper, MaDalton, Rob, Lykos and a few more (sorry if I left someone out!) and call it a day, with 5K I'd have a site with thousands of videos and pictures, even a small network, then concentrate in traffic (maybe ask Paul Markham for tips on how to get ginormous amount of traffic) and cha-ching!

[lagcam]

Originally Posted by harvey

I would have FDSign build a great site with a custom CMS filled with more features athn all other CMS combined and with all the money I save I'd buy content from Casper, MaDalton, Rob, Lykos and a few more (sorry if I left someone out!) and call it a day, with 5K I'd have a site with thousands of videos and pictures, even a small network, then concentrate in traffic (maybe ask Paul Markham for tips on how to get ginormous amount of traffic) and cha-ching!

Not a bad idea but me I would involve Paul Markham in ALL stages of the project not just the really easy bit at the end.

[porno jew]

i'm helping paul set up his traffic and adult internet marketing consulting biz. should be ready in a few weeks. tell your partner to wait for our official announcement.

[charlie g]

lol, I should have just given him Paul's contact info I guess. I will send him to fdsign.com and have him check that out.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i'm helping paul set up his traffic and adult internet marketing consulting biz. should be ready in a few weeks. tell your partner to wait for our official announcement.

maybe you could use http://www.threepointohh.com to help you out with the launching

[Zorgman]

It's a really good question. Everyone will give you a almost different answer as to how they would start a paysite.
- Ccbill and Global Access for payments
- Buy content from adultlabs.com
- program my own cms (im a programmer)
- start making my fhg's and get big affiliates only
- make video galleries, banners, blogs for affiliates

there is lots of other stuff, but you would it out as you go.

[leg4]

Content and traffic...he's right... everything else is really easy.

[Paul Markham]

Great content and great traffic is the only way to go.

Bad content or conversion and conversions/retentions is shit. = Losing money.

Unless your contact can bring something new to the table he's up against 100s who were in before him and now struggling or leaving by the back door.

FDsign makes a good point here.

If you were in this business for at least a year, I?m pretty sure you have seen the motto-mantra ?Content is King? ad nauseam. It has been said in every possible way and it?s the solution for EVERY problem in adult industry. When everything fails? CONTENT IS KING. It?s a pretty understandable concept in an industry like online adult business where content is the main product to be provided. And it certainly is a very important aspect of this business, yet I?m not so sure that it is the most important. Furthermore, I?ll shock many of you by saying that not only CONTENT ISN?T KING, but it?s closer to Miss Congeniality so to speak.

Let?s be clear: I?m not denying the importance of content, it would be totally absurd. I?ll just show you how this concept is flawed and why content might be the most important aspect for a few sites, while it is just a bunch of crap on most sites. And just to add a little more pizazz, I?ll teach you a few secrets based on extensive marketing research, which you may use or not, your choice.

First of all, I want to define the word MARKETING: If you think marketing is buying drinks at a convention or having 1 million posts on a board, please stop reading here. I know it?s the common meaning in adult industry, and of course, it?s 100% wrong. This meaning emerged from an industry where there were no professionals and therefore PR got confused with marketing. This is one of the many mistakes that led this industry to the point where it is now, and I?ll show you why and how. Anyway, if you?re convinced that PR is marketing, I probably won?t be able to change your mind.

The problem is you rarely hear that and he's fooling people to say it's ad nauseam.

The problem with the marketing road is it's easy to copy. He's got articles on it, you can reads 1,000s of articles and copy it from others. With content you need a budget and someone with his own skills to create it. Read Damian's blog it's full of good marketing tips. Employ Damian, he's open to offers.

Content, is always "How much do you have to spend?" Good content is a lot more expensive than marketing is and it's content that keeps members rebilling.

FDsign looks like a good operation, someone who make nice sites, remember they are in the marketing and selling sites game. If they tell someone that the key to success is creating something 10,000 haven't done before them. They lose a sale.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Great content and great traffic is the only way to go.

Bad content or conversion and conversions/retentions is shit. = Losing money.

Unless your contact can bring something new to the table he's up against 100s who were in before him and now struggling or leaving by the back door.

FDsign makes a good point here.



The problem is you rarely hear that and he's fooling people to say it's ad nauseam.

The problem with the marketing road is it's easy to copy. He's got articles on it, you can reads 1,000s of articles and copy it from others. With content you need a budget and someone with his own skills to create it. Read Damian's blog it's full of good marketing tips. Employ Damian, he's open to offers.

Content, is always "How much do you have to spend?" Good content is a lot more expensive than marketing is and it's content that keeps members rebilling.

FDsign looks like a good operation, someone who make nice sites, remember they are in the marketing and selling sites game. If they tell someone that the key to success is creating something 10,000 haven't done before them. They lose a sale.

I'm starting to worry

[stephane76]

For his content, he can always use our Feeds, he will only get billed on Bandwidth consumption. So not much too invest..

Tell him not to be cheap on Hosting and CMS, those are keys..

[The Porn Nerd]

Just give ME your content, I'll build the site, put it on the network and YOU make 100% free money.

Anyone else beat that? Nope.

Of course, I may reject your content but no other website has a deal like this so let's talk if you're serious. $0 investment = 100% profit for you.

[Why]

you people are nuts, i wouldnt recommend CCBill to my worst enemy.

other then that, carry on!

[Phoenix]

he can use our ajax plugin feature to make his own paysite, fill it right up, tour, and members area...it updates daily so it will automate part of his daily routine

[Paul]

I'd focus on a very small amount of photos/videos of new, fresh content I know would convert and I'd spend everything else on advertising.

I wouldn't even bother with a budget for updates, with a small budget don't bother trying to build retention until you have a decent customer base.

Main focus on buying quality traffic plus I'd want a merchant account

[INever]

Niche content. Mobile version.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Why

you people are nuts, i wouldnt recommend CCBill to my worst enemy.

other then that, carry on!

Then who WOULD you recommend?

[tabasco]

steal content, pay designer to make a GF site, add cross sales = profit

[harvey]

Originally Posted by tabasco

steal content, pay designer to make a GF site, add cross sales = profit

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Just give ME your content, I'll build the site, put it on the network and YOU make 100% free money.

Anyone else beat that? Nope.

Of course, I may reject your content but no other website has a deal like this so let's talk if you're serious. $0 investment = 100% profit for you.

how does this work

who covers the hosting cost, billing processing cost affiliate commission etc.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by lagcam

Not a bad idea but me I would involve Paul Markham in ALL stages of the project not just the really easy bit at the end.

[bronco67]

Being economical about anything will get you shit.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by tabasco

steal content, pay designer to make a GF site, add cross sales = profit

You forgot move to South America and use a sketchy merchant account.

[GirlieCash]

I got to throw us in the hat too... another part of our business is www.TrashyContent.com we have some pretty sweet content deal's coming up... could make a lot of sites with our stuff

[AJHall]

The most economical way is a cheap script or WordPress site. The most economical way doesn't always equal the best way...

If your customer is serious about being in the pay site business, tell him to go all the way and get the best of everything and give himself the best chance of success. But it depends, is he a businessman or a hobbyist?

I've been in the pay site business for 12 years as a Webmaster, pay site owner, design company owner and CMS company owner. The Elevated X adult CMS powers thousands of pay sites ranging in size from the biggest cash program networks online to small start-ups and solo girl sites.

Since you said you have no practical experience, if you have questions about CMS systems or pay sites in general feel free to email or call me direct 800-690-9277 ext 1. No obligation. Even if we're not a good fit for his needs I'll be happy to give you the info you need to be able to educate your customer and guide him to the right solution.

AJ

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

You forgot move to South America and use a sketchy merchant account.

dont talk about Shap like that

[plsureking]

and don't build your own cms. that is the dumbest, craziest thing you can do. why would you spend thousands of dollars and MONTHS building something that is cheap and readily available?

my software - PornCMS starts at $45 a month - but there are shit-tons of other options including ElevatedX, MAS from Mansion, that Carma garbage from TMM, and others. there has gotta be at least one package to fit your needs.

dont waste your time building software. its not even a profitable idea for programmers. sites dont sell because of good programming. they sell because of traffic and content. spend your time marketing. thats where the money is..

[Zorgman]

plsureking, that's all good and well but taking your software as an example. I would be bound to your hosting and honestly I can do the hosting myself and cheaper, so im my case it's better to code it for myself and exactly what I need to my specific requirements.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

plsureking, that's all good and well but taking your software as an example. I would be bound to your hosting and honestly I can do the hosting myself and cheaper, so im my case it's better to code it for myself and exactly what I need to my specific requirements.

we sell a lifetime license that can be hosted on your own servers. the hosted cms is just more economical as you dont have to rent a server and its either $45 or $95 depending on the features you want.

the buy or build question is basic to technology projects. if there is a suitable software package available, you never build because building software costs 3-50x more than buying it.

a custom cms is going to have problems and will definitely lack features that professional packages already have built in.

you sell tube scripts. do you recommend people build their own tube script from scratch too? even if their requirements meet your specs?

im a programmer and i always look for off-the-shelf software for new projects before diving into a huge development cycle that can take months of long hours. its just common business sense.

[Zorgman]

Yes, I would recommend that if they wanted total control. With my original tube script it was encoded so webmasters had only the controls i created. With a custom tube script that would have much more, like user accounts, uploads, converting videos and much more. So yes I would recommend it. If we just use what it here already the internet would never grow.

[charlie g]

OK. so I guess I gave shitty advice then.

From reading the replies he should

a) spend a lot for cms- or not.
c) rent feeds and dont spend for content.
3) spend for traffic to feeds.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Yes, I would recommend that if they wanted total control. With my original tube script it was encoded so webmasters had only the controls i created. With a custom tube script that would have much more, like user accounts, uploads, converting videos and much more. So yes I would recommend it. If we just use what it here already the internet would never grow.

ya but other tube scripts offer those features, so you would be giving bad advice just because your script lacks those features.

i wouldn't think its a very good business move to spend a few hundred hours building your own tube script when you could spend 1 hour installing a tube script and 299 hours getting traffic to your site. which method will make you more money?

in the end its all about money, not how many bells and whistles you built into your script. use the software that makes it easy for you to make money with your business plan.

if i wanted to build a bangbros style network of sites i would buy elevatedX. if i wanted a solo site with a webcam that integrates with the social sites, i would buy PornCMS.

[candyflip]

The cheapest way to go about creating a backend filled with lots of content, use Adult Centro.

[Zorgman]

Your missing the point plsurking. I don't think you even get it.

If I build my own cms then at least I know what's in it. I can add to it whenever I want. If I buy someone else's script then I have to either hire a programmer that knows their way around that CMS or learn it myself. Also support is an issue sometimes, just look at some of the TGP and tube scripts sites. Some of the owners are now saying they don't offer anymore support for their PAID products.

How much is your NON hosting unencoded script?

[cherrylula]

Content is free, you can make a paysite with wordpress, and get free traffic from social networks. Five days later open affiliate program = profit.

don't forget to submit galleries to hun, that makes it really huge.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by plsureking

dont talk about Shap like that

Just curious how does that even make sense?

[Bugbee]

X2K CMS is a great product we also have a hybrid of the CMS in the X2K Feeds which enables you to build a tour/members area with our feeds and lets you use your own merchant account as well. Hit me up if interested...

[candyflip]

Again. The most economical way to go about doing this is by using Adult Centro.

$99 a month to start get's you the backend and content. They'll even set things up to work with whatever biller you are using.

Quit wasting time arguing with people who are trying to sell you their wares. Check out Adult Centro.

http://publisher.adultcentro.com/

[fuckyou/payme]

fucking CMS!!! spending so much money on the CMS? wtf? guy is getting jacked

He's probably getting jacked buying content from you as well so you should keep your mouth shut

How much can you possibly spend on a CMS? 500$? 1000$?

[AJHall]

Originally Posted by charlie g

OK. so I guess I gave shitty advice then.

From reading the replies he should

a) spend a lot for cms- or not.
c) rent feeds and dont spend for content.
3) spend for traffic to feeds.

Yeah, you gave bad advice. You should have told YOUR customer not to buy YOUR content and to buy feeds from someone else instead...

Aren't you sad you posted this thread?

[jerk101]

To add more spices for the paysites, I would suggest hiring WhiteGeckoDesigns for FHGs, Banners, Flash Banners, and Landing Pages

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by AJHall

Yeah, you gave bad advice. You should have told YOUR customer not to buy YOUR content and to buy feeds from someone else instead...

Aren't you sad you posted this thread?

Gee, should I feel sad? The people that buy my content don't want feeds that everyone has and is on every tube and file share

Thanks for your opinion and I will definately give a for your product.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by fuckyou/payme

fucking CMS!!! spending so much money on the CMS? wtf? guy is getting jacked

He's probably getting jacked buying content from you as well so you should keep your mouth shut

How much can you possibly spend on a CMS? 500$? 1000$?

I can spend as much as I want on a cms, which is 0. I am not in the paysite business and don't want to be.

I guess I should make a thread about Obama or Salmon fishing. Actual business threads don't belong here. Sorry.

[Fenris Wolf]

I have to agree with those pimping their feeds. If you want to be able to get up and running with the least amount of capital, setting up a custom feed is one of the better options. When you look at the technological advances Adult Centro, Member Channels, and others have made and the level of customization they have to offer, you can put together an amazing members area.

[sojproductions]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Just give ME your content, I'll build the site, put it on the network and YOU make 100% free money.

Anyone else beat that? Nope.

Of course, I may reject your content but no other website has a deal like this so let's talk if you're serious. $0 investment = 100% profit for you.

Can't beat it but we match it, we never ask for 1 cent as well, just provide the content, we do everything else, and if they don't like our rev/share then they can pay us on a 12 month contract to spread the costs - but they have got to have what it takes, decent niche, decent quality, self-shot, totally exclusive... none of the above.. no deal

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by Fenris Wolf

I have to agree with those pimping their feeds. If you want to be able to get up and running with the least amount of capital, setting up a custom feed is one of the better options. When you look at the technological advances Adult Centro, Member Channels, and others have made and the level of customization they have to offer, you can put together an amazing members area.

Yeah, I agree. Those are really nice solutions. AC looks amazing for the money actually.