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Shap · 10-01-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Totalky the opposite dude..

I work my ass off, that's why i complain.

There are some affiliates who really want to work, but sponsors make it really hard.

If i want to start a tube, i need lots of videos to make my tube huge. Sponsors don't give us shit.

I search some other sponsors, find new sensations, a handfull of flvs out of thousands and thousands of scenes.

Keep searching.

Find reality cash. Wow! This guys are great! Signup. Aff area, less than a handfull of flvs for my tubes.

Keep searching.

Found a thread in this forum pondering how great, bright, smart twistys ex owner was and what a great sponsor they are. Signed up. Been weeks, and nothing. My acct. Is not active yet.

Don't give up, keep searching.

Hey, i had a good idea. Let's make a tube about super hyper ultra hot Gianna Michaels. Lots of searches for her and her niche. Let's find flv's for my tubes. But i'm smart, so i will try another sponsor that sure will give me what i need to make us both money.

Let's try, almighty brazzers. Gianna Michaels, 7 scenes. Hmm, i expected more, but it's allright. I like brazzers porn, so i'm gonna use those 7 scenes anyways.
juggcash aff area. Hosted flv. Gianna Michaels. 0 flvs. Wtf?

Meanwhile, these sponsors members areas are being offered in full for free all over the internet.

So yes, i complain a lot. But i complain a lot because i work like a motherfucker and get fucked pissed when the ones who should make everything easier for us and them to make more money, make everything harder instead.

Meanwhile, their complete members areas are being offered in full for free on thousands of warez forums and illegal tubes.

All sponsors can do is promise, make excuses and try to justify themselves with all kinds of excuses. And when they run out of excuses, they start with their sarcasm, again, trying to justify themselves and make an affiliate who wants to work look like an idiot.

Meanwhile, their complete video collections are being offered for free to whoever wants to have it on thousand of sites on the net.

Sponsor, give me a hosted flv for all and everyone of your millions and gazillions of porn scenes and better and bigger porn collections on the net and i will make a lots of fucking huge legal tubes that will give big illegal tubes some competition.

But as you said. You do not own a program so don't worry about it.

Here is a question for you. Brazzers, RK, Bang, Twistys give you 10,000 flvs on Monday. You build your tube. Fantastic. Now here is the kicker how are you going to get traffic to that tube and how are you going to make money for them?

Also why would a surfer go to your tube instead of YouJizz. Why go to a site to see 3 minutes of a clip instead of the entire scene?

Shap · 10-01-2011, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I dont think you guys understand the workings of a smaller-medium sized paysite. they are not being given enough incentive to stick around? Of course not. Content is being given away for free all across the web. Sites like pornhub give away just about anything you can ask for, nevermind filelockers. If we were to give away as much as members wanted to stick around each month, we would be producing a ton more content and that would cost more money to produce than what the extra product is bringing in.

Maybe not all are cancelling and signing up 6 months later but its a large enough percent to where you'd really feel the hurt when those people are signing up for a cheap trial or something along those lines.

I dont recommend trials or cheap memberships on any solo girl website, let that be known. I am sure many have tested cheaper pricing and i haven't seen that stick on any website in my niche.

Few comments on your posts.

1. Lower pricing is all about trying to find the people that are willing to pull out their credit card. If your site isn't the one for them and they cancel after spending $1 is all lost? HELL NO! You just found someone who is willing to buy porn. HELLO CASH REGISTER! Your job then becomes finding a site they would like and help sending them there and getting PAID for it

2. Obviously it's harder in 2011 but people are still launching sites and being successful. Great example is x-art.

3. I understand the challenges of solo girl sites. I always try to think of solutions instead of repeating and harping on excuses. Stop limiting your thought process with what you can't do and think about what you can do. Sure solo girl sites have less content. They can't compete with tubes. But real solo girl sites have something tubes can't compete with. They have a person to person connection in most cases a model that the surfer really likes and can get in touch with. You can offer a true experience that tubes can't match and make a killing doing it. As men we are so weak. A girl looks in our direction and we think she wants us. Run properly a solo girl site can be very successful but it's all about running it just right.

Mutt · 10-01-2011, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Definitely can be done with the 3rd party guys email me I'll explain

i will, what's your email address?

Shap · 10-01-2011, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

great post. nice to see you sharing some ideas to help the industry now that you are a free man

this is THE most important change that happened in the last 24-36 months. the affiliate model is dead, unless those affiliates can make money buying traffic and sending it to the paysite (at their 40-70% share).

there's no point providing affiliates with promo tools. they just need site links. the free content model no longer brings in sales for paysites. traffic has to be bought from non-tube sources at an acceptable profit margin.

Thanks

From time to time I'll have too much caffeine and get a little time on my hands and just feel like typing

I figured might as well throw down a few of my ideas and maybe somebody else can benefit.

I believe there is a great opportunity for old school affiliates right now. The key is they have to realize where the industry is and where it is going. I'm sure some can survive moving forward but most will not. So what they should do is find a way to offer their services to smaller paysite companies. Guys like RK may not be interested but a lot of the other paysite companies are slim staffed companies that can't do everything. Partnering up with them and using their resources and your skills could prove to work out really well for both of you.

Shap · 10-01-2011, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i will, what's your email address?

88shap at gmail

Shap · 10-01-2011, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Like my idea.

The question I will put to you is the same one I get thrown at me all the time.

So why didn't you do it when you had a chance to?"

You only had paysites to concern yourself with, was in the position of having girls you could promote and sell as people or any way you call it this is the basis of your ideas.

So why did you keep just adding recorded porn to Twistys and not try to sell the girls themselves of the Tube traffic.

YOU'VE SEEN Kayden Kross VIDEOS, NOW MEET HER IN PERSON, LIVE AND FOR REAL ONLINE. AND IF YOU WANT TO CHAT WITH HER.

You were in an excellent position to do this. Some of the girls you obviously feature a lot. I assume they're members favorites. So why didn't you step up to the next level?

Not having a go at you, asking what were the problems doing this. Because it's been something I've been saying for a while now. Would like to know the problems in doing it.

That's a fair question. We always had too much going on. If we only ran Twistys that would have been ideal for really making a go at it. We were spread really thin. We had Twistys, TeenPinkVideos, HeatherVandeven, and 15 other paysites. In free sites we had GayTube, SexTube, TrannyTube, BigBreastlovers, Thumbzilla. We had so many things going we just didn't have the time to execute all our ideas.

Another big reason is because of the breakdown of our staff. We were heavy on employees but very very slim on programming/technical staff. That really hurt and slowed us down. So we it came down to making a choice should we have our technical resources spend their time on revamping our backend and preparing it for future growth and enhancements or should we try this new tour thing. Twistys was always a site that was powered by the members and their devotion to the site so it was obvious that improving the members area trumped trying a new tour.

Shap · 10-01-2011, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Again you don't know what you're talking about Paul. Shap didn't just have paysites to concern himself with - he owned large free sites like Sextube and Thumbzilla amongst others.

And Twistys did add live pornstar interactive cam shows. I'm sure if he had kept Twistys he would have done more live cam stuff but realize that a glamour model or pornstar would cost about 500 dollars for hanging out with Twistys members for a few hours, so add 15K a month.

NaughtyAmerica tried the live interactive thing on as big a scale as anybody has in the industry. They were practically runnning their own cable channel with shows featuring live porn chicks all day. It's gone now - just too expensive.

Now what if Naughty America, Bangbros, Brazzers, RK, Pimproll, got together and shared the costs to provide their members live access to porn stars on cam - it would work.

Cams are far from the cure for falling sales for paysites. The problem is piracy and the economy. Shap and other paysite owners have accepted this, you keep insisting that it's the quality of the content that is a big reason for falling paysite sales, you're wrong but content is the only part of the biz you have a lot of experience in so you continue to beat that dead horse. Web surfers get great value and content these days on these paysite networks. So if a big % of surfers have decided they won't pay for porn no matter how good that porn is people like Shap are trying to use their content to draw them in and sell them something else, cams, dating, penis crap etc or sell off the traffic/advertising to people who can turn a profit on it, from what i've seen mostly snake oil and scams, or people desperate for traffic. If I could total the cost of traffic sold to desperate or newb webmasters it would be in the billions.

Have you seen what LiveGonzo.com is doing? I think they are really close to something awesome. The key is getting everyone interested and willing to play together.

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I believe there is a great opportunity for old school affiliates right now. The key is they have to realize where the industry is and where it is going. I'm sure some can survive moving forward but most will not. So what they should do is find a way to offer their services to smaller paysite companies. Guys like RK may not be interested but a lot of the other paysite companies are slim staffed companies that can't do everything. Partnering up with them and using their resources and your skills could prove to work out really well for both of you.

yea thats a good idea. it is really hard to find good marketers in porn. my porn marketing biz went idle because i couldn't find the labor to fill simple jobs like traffic/campaign manager and gallery submitter. designers are a dime a dozen, and there's plenty of clients, but you can't sell design. you have to sell conversions. and that takes man-hours.

marketing porn today takes the same skills it did in 2002. 8 hours a day on the keyboard pushing links. very few people have the work ethic to do it fulltime. i've hired a dozen people over the past 2 years for marketing, and they either get lazy and disappear, or can't do the work. there's huge opportunities in porn marketing for guys that can deliver results, but i think the few that can do the work are already booked.

movieguy · 10-01-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

tere's huge opportunities in porn marketing for guys that can deliver results, but i think the few that can do the work are already booked.

None of you offered me a job when I became available and I have Sean as a reference. :P

But since this is Sean's advice thread, I want to pass along one of the best advice he and Michael reminded me at twistys: stay on point

Want to talk politics, the latest game scores, or hot celebrities? Pick up the phone and give your friends a call. That's what friends are for. And there are other, WAY BETTER boards suited to those specific areas.

You don't see any of the big dogs responding to those threads. The owner of the hottest fucking paysite right now, has maybe 40 posts to her name here on this board, and she's putting all of us to shame.

Mull it over

Dirty F · 10-01-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Point 5. Paysites are not the item tube surfers are most likely to buy. We all know that. Tube sites are not surviving on Paysite ad sales or paysite revenues.

You are wrong.

Stop giving advice to people about stuff you don't understand.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

That's a fair question. We always had too much going on. If we only ran Twistys that would have been ideal for really making a go at it. We were spread really thin. We had Twistys, TeenPinkVideos, HeatherVandeven, and 15 other paysites. In free sites we had GayTube, SexTube, TrannyTube, BigBreastlovers, Thumbzilla. We had so many things going we just didn't have the time to execute all our ideas.

Another big reason is because of the breakdown of our staff. We were heavy on employees but very very slim on programming/technical staff. That really hurt and slowed us down. So we it came down to making a choice should we have our technical resources spend their time on revamping our backend and preparing it for future growth and enhancements or should we try this new tour thing.

Similar situation as Eva and I. We were up to our eyes in shooting magazine sets.

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Twistys was always a site that was powered by the members and their devotion to the site so it was obvious that improving the members area trumped trying a new tour.

We agree on this. Is there is a solution to the mess we created it's inside the members area with the dead horse.

Unless someone comes up with a way to find millions of new surfers who don't want free or a method to drive traffic that doesn't involve the cost and giving the product away. And that's been beyond us for 12 years.

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Have you seen what LiveGonzo.com is doing? I think they are really close to something awesome. The key is getting everyone interested and willing to play together.

No but will have a look. Someone has to cross the fence of costs.

If $500 a day for a model is too much, pay her less. She's got to do it to get the good paying days. Or sit at home on her ass.

$500 = 100 joins a day extra. By the time affiliates and other costs are paid, that leaves too little IMO. Maybe 300 a day, 9,000 a month.

So instead of giving up on the idea, people have to figure out how to make it work. Private shows for the girls, tips, selling other products like live phone sex. The solution belongs to the winner.

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguy

Want to talk politics, the latest game scores, or hot celebrities? Pick up the phone and give your friends a call. That's what friends are for. And there are other, WAY BETTER boards suited to those specific areas.

You don't see any of the big dogs responding to those threads. The owner of the hottest fucking paysite right now, has maybe 40 posts to her name here on this board, and she's putting all of us to shame.

i'm trying to understand your point. if we want to be successful, we should stay off gfy?

i get several new customers a week from gfy, so that point is a fail lol

movieguy · 10-01-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

i'm trying to understand your point. if we want to be successful, we should stay off gfy?

i get several new customers a week from gfy, so that point is a fail lol

The last point wasn't specifically targeting you King. It was a statement directed to the wider audience.

Just look at the kind of threads Fabian, Sean, Collette, etc, respond to.

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguy

The last point wasn't specifically targeting you King. It was a statement directed to the wider audience.

Just look at the kind of threads Fabian, Sean, Collette, etc, respond to.

ah lol ya i dont even read those. i just look for business related threads..

19teenporn · 10-01-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Here is a question for you. Brazzers, RK, Bang, Twistys give you 10,000 flvs on Monday. You build your tube. Fantastic. Now here is the kicker how are you going to get traffic to that tube and how are you going to make money for them?

Also why would a surfer go to your tube instead of YouJizz. Why go to a site to see 3 minutes of a clip instead of the entire scene?

3 minutes clip are most than enough for most people.

Tubes get most of their traffic from google. That's because of their size. They are huge.

E erybody complains about illegal tubes taking theirsearch results and they want to fight with 20 posts blogs, or 2000videos tubes.

The only way to get traffic to compete with them is being huge and updating lots of times a day.

Just every sponsor give their affs flvs for all their scenes and you will see.

gideongallery · 10-01-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Well then...I would shut it down.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024592
If it wasn't enough about the accusations of stolen content on Xhamster, the other posted proof of illegal videos on that thread should make anyone think twice.

Sadly it does not.

Don't get me wrong, money is a good thing but I definitely have my limits Shap.

interesting how you make such a statement when it someone else's asset

why not buy xhamster and do just that.

movieguy · 10-01-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Tubes get most of their traffic from google. That's because of their size. They are huge.

Somewhat true, but it varies. Have a look at who buys traffic from thehun

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

The only way to get traffic to compete with them is being huge and updating lots of times a day.

Not really. There are plenty of tubes who update a lot and they get no where. You need to spend money to get some traffic. See above point.

I wouldn't try to compete with other tubes who have a significant head start in traffic and breadth of content. If you want to do a tube, try going for content depth and traffic focus, ie a niche

Shap · 10-01-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

3 minutes clip are most than enough for most people.

Tubes get most of their traffic from google. That's because of their size. They are huge.

E erybody complains about illegal tubes taking theirsearch results and they want to fight with 20 posts blogs, or 2000videos tubes.

The only way to get traffic to compete with them is being huge and updating lots of times a day.

Just every sponsor give their affs flvs for all their scenes and you will see.

I don't think you understand how the tubes get their traffic and more importantly how they rank so high. I encourage you to do a lot more research because your plan right now would fail miserably.

movieguy · 10-01-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't think you understand how the tubes get their traffic and more importantly how they rank so high. I encourage you to do a lot more research because your plan right now would fail miserably.

Wow, that was going to be my response, but I thought it would come off as harsh and because I'm not rich enough to say it that way. :P

Caligari · 10-01-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

interesting how you make such a statement when it someone else's asset
why not buy xhamster and do just that.

interesting that you have an i'm live banner in your sig announcing new 70 dollar pps

i know you are into the whole time shifting thing but really;)

Robbie · 10-01-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

how can you do a one click upsell from streamate to your own paysite? you must be talking about something else because a true one click upsell from one company to another is against VISA's rules. show me how this one click upsell works please.

It's easy...Sean owns Streamate, Sean owns his own processing, Sean is one of my processors. He processes for paysites with the same info the customer has already inputted. The customer not only joins Claudia Marie, but also gets a 25% discount on private chat with her on Streamate.

It's one of the reasons that Streamate makes more money for people than any other cam site. With that membership sale ability (you can't get more targeted traffic than that if you think about it), plus the "regular" money CM makes, plus the ability to make 70% of the money from people signing up to streamate from her "performers link" : http://claudiamarie.cammodels.com/ There are just a myriad of ways to make money there.

And since all the big tube & traffic sites have a Streamate white label...I'm already getting all the "branding" and more importantly THE MONEY from all that traffic. heh-heh

If you're smart and quick and have everything in place you can still make a dollar.

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's easy... you can still make a dollar.

insanely educational and useful post. i am kinda surprised u shared that strategy with the clown-a-sphere..
thanks tho lol

Robbie · 10-01-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

insanely educational and useful post. i am kinda surprised u shared that strategy with the clown-a-sphere..
thanks tho lol

I got a million more of 'em.

Pseudonymous · 10-01-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Few comments on your posts.

1. Lower pricing is all about trying to find the people that are willing to pull out their credit card. If your site isn't the one for them and they cancel after spending $1 is all lost? HELL NO! You just found someone who is willing to buy porn. HELLO CASH REGISTER! Your job then becomes finding a site they would like and help sending them there and getting PAID for it

2. Obviously it's harder in 2011 but people are still launching sites and being successful. Great example is x-art.

3. I understand the challenges of solo girl sites. I always try to think of solutions instead of repeating and harping on excuses. Stop limiting your thought process with what you can't do and think about what you can do. Sure solo girl sites have less content. They can't compete with tubes. But real solo girl sites have something tubes can't compete with. They have a person to person connection in most cases a model that the surfer really likes and can get in touch with. You can offer a true experience that tubes can't match and make a killing doing it. As men we are so weak. A girl looks in our direction and we think she wants us. Run properly a solo girl site can be very successful but it's all about running it just right.

1. That is true. Remains to be seen whether that is a more profitable way, though I haven't gone down that route but that is an option.

2. X-art is what always comes to mind also but I can't imagine what they spent at startup. They are one of those larger players in the industry i was speaking about that could probably profit, as they have a pretty unique product, a product with a very large collection that can put up a fight because of the capital they had to start. I wouldn't consider them very small either.

3. Oh don't confuse me with being negative about what im making or that I even have a negative view at all, im not your typical GFYer complaining about tubes or filelockers, etc. - Im making good money and continually launching websites. I still launch extremely profitable tgps today. I was only giving my view of how profitable i thought bought tube traffic was and my experience, thats all.

And it's about running it right and finding a girl that doesn't leave after a certain amount of time because of the thousand excuses they have, boyfriend, their friends found out, their parents, etc etc. - and the girl has to be very hot too. The add very active with their site. These girls don't come too often. Autumn is probably the most successful solo girl to come out in the past few years and she doesn't even do cams. So when I say the typical paysite, yes there are sites that can be run even better and profit. But i wouldn't say your typical one. Not every girl treats their site like Robbie's wife. heh

CaptainHowdy · 10-01-2011, 12:52 PM

Funny how paysite more and more rhymes with parasite ...

19teenporn · 10-01-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't think you understand how the tubes get their traffic and more importantly how they rank so high. I encourage you to do a lot more research because your plan right now would fail miserably.

While you keep giving excuses and more excuses, more and more terabytes of free paysite content is being uploaded every hour to those illegal sites, warez forums, illegal tubes, etc etc, etc.

Don't worry how i'm gonna do it.

Sponsors just give us hosted flvs for all your scenes and let me worry about the rest.

Is that easy. Stop trying to give scientific excuses!!!

Shap · 10-01-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

While you keep giving excuses and more excuses, more and more terabytes of free paysite content is being uploaded every hour to those illegal sites, warez forums, illegal tubes, etc etc, etc.

Don't worry how i'm gonna do it.

Sponsors just give us hosted flvs for all your scenes and let me worry about the rest.

Is that easy. Stop trying to give scientific excuses!!!

Lol I ran tubes both successful and unsuccessful tubes. But Obviously you know more than I do. Based on your explanation of your plan if I had a program I wouldn't give you the flvs and I imagine others won't be interested either. You aren't trying anything new, your plan has been tried tested and failed. Learn why tubes rank high first.

Shap · 10-01-2011, 02:07 PM

19teenporn Run a little search on how many links in pornhub has ;))

AJHall · 10-01-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Still thinking in the box of just recorded scenes.

To be of service to my CMS customers I need to put myself in their shoes, consider their resources and limitations and give advice that they can actually use to get the most of our their pay sites.

My goal is always to give practical, proven advice that is truly helpful to my customers. I'll be the first to admit that many of the ideas in this thread are great but also realize that not everyone has the budget or content resources to capitalize on them.

Yes Paul, I suppose you could say it's thinking "in the box" considering that my post was in a response to a post made by a customer of mine who only has recorded content. This is the best advice I can give to help him get the most out of what he's got...

AJ

Jel · 10-01-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Lol I ran tubes both successful and unsuccessful tubes. But Obviously you know more than I do. Based on your explanation of your plan if I had a program I wouldn't give you the flvs and I imagine others won't be interested either. You aren't trying anything new, your plan has been tried tested and failed. Learn why tubes rank high first.

If he has/is deemed to fail to get any traffic, what's the problem with giving him flvs? Over-exposure? What if the next guy has a ton of traffic and/or a large network of sites to kick-start seo he is looking to direct to a tube site, but also has trouble getting flvs?

I totally understand that from a program owners POV specifically supplying thousands of flvs for *1* affiliate is 99.99% a complete waste of time, but it seems he has a legit 'gripe' for want of a better word, here. Though I did skip page 2 so may have missed some important posts :D

Jel · 10-01-2011, 03:21 PM

ok so I read the last post on page 2 lol

Pseudonymous · 10-01-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AJHall

To be of service to my CMS customers I need to put myself in their shoes, consider their resources and limitations and give advice that they can actually use to get the most of our their pay sites.

My goal is always to give practical, proven advice that is truly helpful to my customers. I'll be the first to admit that many of the ideas in this thread are great but also realize that not everyone has the budget or content resources to capitalize on them.

Yes Paul, I suppose you could say it's thinking "in the box" considering that my post was in a response to a post made by a customer of mine who only has recorded content. This is the best advice I can give to help him get the most out of what he's got...

AJ

I think he misunderstood and didn't see the past conversation between us

CrazyAL · 10-01-2011, 03:54 PM

It's an interesting idea but of course if you look at tubes don't you find they pretty much already do something like this? their "paysite" is premium free memberships and everything else is ads, and xsales/upsales/mailings etc.

AJHall · 10-01-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I dont think you guys understand the workings of a smaller-medium sized paysite. they are not being given enough incentive to stick around? Of course not. Content is being given away for free all across the web. Sites like pornhub give away just about anything you can ask for, nevermind filelockers. If we were to give away as much as members wanted to stick around each month, we would be producing a ton more content and that would cost more money to produce than what the extra product is bringing in.

Maybe not all are cancelling and signing up 6 months later but its a large enough percent to where you'd really feel the hurt when those people are signing up for a cheap trial or something along those lines.

I dont recommend trials or cheap memberships on any solo girl website, let that be known. I am sure many have tested cheaper pricing and i haven't seen that stick on any website in my niche.

You're right, cheap trial alone may not work - BUT with a massive sales hook it can be an effective tool. That's the key. Finding what works might mean experimenting with different business models, sales methods, price points, sales hooks, manipulation of content, using some creative tricks to control member behavior, rewarding loyalty to increase retention, etc.

Heading into 2012 this business is no longer about selling videos. Sell something people can't get anywhere else. Give them a unique experience they can only get on your site and more will stick around.

The name of the game now is getting creative and thinking like a consumer, not a site owner.

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AJHall

Heading into 2012 this business is no longer about selling videos. Sell something people can't get anywhere else. Give them a unique experience they can only get on your site and more will stick around.

The name of the game now is getting creative and thinking like a consumer, not a site owner.

thats tricky too because as soon as you post it, whatever you posted will be ripped. back in the day you only had to worry about competitors copying you. now you have to worry about pirates actually copying you lol

i had a great idea for a site that would be hard to pirate - find some ridiculously amazing streaming only video, but keep changing the url. surfers have to get a referal to find the content - kinda like invite-only. every 2 weeks, change the domain. how does that solve piracy? eh it doesnt really. but it sounds fun lol

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

While you keep giving excuses and more excuses, more and more terabytes of free paysite content is being uploaded every hour to those illegal sites, warez forums, illegal tubes, etc etc, etc.

Don't worry how i'm gonna do it.

Sponsors just give us hosted flvs for all your scenes and let me worry about the rest.

Is that easy. Stop trying to give scientific excuses!!!

What you don't see it giving away too much free content while it gains one sale it loses five.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 11:51 PM

Mutt had a very good point.

Can anything be done inside a members area today and turn the tide. While not bankrupting the site that tries it?

Is any solution to the problems we face today, too expensive now?

Paul Markham · 10-02-2011, 01:03 AM

Read this and think is and solution too expensive today.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18463787#post18463787

marlboroack · 10-02-2011, 02:24 AM

I'm going to steal your idea now.

The Porn Nerd · 10-02-2011, 05:54 AM

I am traveling in Europe so I missed this post Shap. You are taking all my ideas and success and releasing them to general GFY community for FREE? You madman. LOL

I do 89% of what Shap has outlined - Shap may or may not know this, LOL - and he is SPOT ON!!!!!!

Emails (finally) answered Shap. I think you know that the one area I'm still struggling with is ad sales and ad buys. But as to your other points let me sum up by saying this:

I create ALL my sites with Tube sites/surfers in mind. period. Because of this I have anywhere from a 1:200 - 1:1000 conversion rate for my sites, depending on the site. The only limitation to MY business now, after I've done all the necassary work to build up the paysites, is traffic.

And now that Shap sold out he can't even help me with traffic.

LOL!

GREAT fucking post Shap, just awesome. Thank you!!

gideongallery · 10-02-2011, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caligari

interesting that you have an i'm live banner in your sig announcing new 70 dollar pps

i know you are into the whole time shifting thing but really;)

tell you what you pony up the money for xhamster and i will change the banner in my sig

(btw the link was to their auto updating image, pussycash just broke that function really surprise they haven't fixed it yet)

BareBacked · 10-02-2011, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Great post.... with point #5, many of the top tubes make 6 figures a month off of paysites alone. Shap, if you would like me to show you where and how, hit me up.

When buying tube traffic, you know how much your average-high sale value is really worth, that's the mark per-sale. If the tube goes above that per-sale, you drop them, otherwise you're making a profit every single time. Do a one week test, see the value of the traffic, and you'll know if it's worth buying more from.

I'll keep the rest under my hat

With all due respect you honestly think you can teach Shap something about tube traffic?

</trolling>

AJHall · 10-02-2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

thats tricky too because as soon as you post it, whatever you posted will be ripped. back in the day you only had to worry about competitors copying you. now you have to worry about pirates actually copying you lol

i had a great idea for a site that would be hard to pirate - find some ridiculously amazing streaming only video, but keep changing the url. surfers have to get a referal to find the content - kinda like invite-only. every 2 weeks, change the domain. how does that solve piracy? eh it doesnt really. but it sounds fun lol

This is why more and more companies are changing their approach to that of selling interaction, an experience, etc. instead of content. They're trying to sell something intangible that can't be pirated. It doesn't matter if all the content gets ripped if the primary reason a customer keeps paying is to get access to something besides the content.

Mutt · 10-02-2011, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Have you seen what LiveGonzo.com is doing? I think they are really close to something awesome. The key is getting everyone interested and willing to play together.

yep, you showed me a couple months ago

how many programs/paysites are now sharing livegonzo?

Mutt · 10-02-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

It's easy...Sean owns Streamate, Sean owns his own processing, Sean is one of my processors. He processes for paysites with the same info the customer has already inputted. The customer not only joins Claudia Marie, but also gets a 25% discount on private chat with her on Streamate.

wow, that's a nice added benefit for girls with paysites to choose Streamate, huge actually.
most cam networks have always allowed girls to promote their paysites, but first i've heard of a one click upsell.

Shap · 10-03-2011, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

wow, that's a nice added benefit for girls with paysites to choose Streamate, huge actually.
most cam networks have always allowed girls to promote their paysites, but first i've heard of a one click upsell.

Yeah I've heard some solo sites getting GREAT sales back to their site as well thanks to this.

DamianJ · 10-03-2011, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can anything be done inside a members area today and turn the tide. While not bankrupting the site that tries it?

Yes. Not doing any of the things you do in your member's area. Things like rotating content, limiting people's downloads all the stuff people complain about your site on rabbit's etc about.

If you stopped all that nonsense, you'd make more money.

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Comments by: Recycled, Rotated, Redated - Score: 60/100 - Date: 11/25/2009
The same photos are just recycled. I know because I've joined numerous times when my favorite model's set are all on the site at the same time. I swear off porn, delete everything, and rejoin on the 3-day trial months later to download Steffi's (Ameile on their site) 3 old photo sets. The content is low and picture quality, "vintage". Some old classic stuff. On the plus side, I like PM's poses - more explicit and natural. Girl next door, not too glammed up like Twistys or DDF for example. If there were more content, new content, and none of the constant recycling of old material, I'd give this site a much higher score.

Comments by: Night Bird - Score: 70/100 - Date: 1/5/2009
Content rotation kills this site. This site is made for the trial member, because if you stay monthly you will just see the same old videos disappear and then reappear as new releases over and over and over. Some of the content is good, but there needs to be more new material and the content rotation must stop. Content rotation kills this site. This site is made for the trial member, because if you stay monthly you will just see the same old videos disappear and then reappear as new releases over and over and over. Some of the content is good, but there needs to be more new material and the content rotation must stop.

Comments by: nightowl - Score: 75/100 - Date: 6/3/2008
Too much recyling by date changes. CHEATING!!!!

Comments by: former member - Score: 100/100 - Date: 4/5/2008
not worth paying and it s cheating - ading old files and new updates by simpyl chaning dates of the files.

Comments by: SgtSally - Score: 25/100 - Date: 2/11/2008
Sorry, the site doesn t come up to standards. The gals aren t that cute for the most part. Too old and usually flawed in some way - teeth, boobs, skin. Something is almost always off. The site limit wasn t a problem for me but I really didn t download all that much after I had a look around.

seeric · 10-03-2011, 09:09 AM

i really try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove to me without a doubt that they are retarded, but i really think Markham could be retarded at this point.

10-01-2011, 12:52 PM	#125
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10-01-2011, 11:51 PM	#137
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Mutt had a very good point. Can anything be done inside a members area today and turn the tide. While not bankrupting the site that tries it? Is any solution to the problems we face today, too expensive now? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-02-2011, 01:03 AM	#138
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Read this and think is and solution too expensive today. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18463787#post18463787 __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-02-2011, 05:54 AM	#140
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,490	I am traveling in Europe so I missed this post Shap. You are taking all my ideas and success and releasing them to general GFY community for FREE? You madman. LOL I do 89% of what Shap has outlined - Shap may or may not know this, LOL - and he is SPOT ON!!!!!! Emails (finally) answered Shap. I think you know that the one area I'm still struggling with is ad sales and ad buys. But as to your other points let me sum up by saying this: I create ALL my sites with Tube sites/surfers in mind. period. Because of this I have anywhere from a 1:200 - 1:1000 conversion rate for my sites, depending on the site. The only limitation to MY business now, after I've done all the necassary work to build up the paysites, is traffic. And now that Shap sold out he can't even help me with traffic. LOL! GREAT fucking post Shap, just awesome. Thank you!! __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia Last edited by The Porn Nerd; 10-02-2011 at 05:56 AM..

10-01-2011, 02:07 PM	#128
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	19teenporn Run a little search on how many links in pornhub has ;))

10-01-2011, 03:21 PM	#131
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	ok so I read the last post on page 2 lol

10-01-2011, 03:54 PM	#133
CrazyAL Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 205	It's an interesting idea but of course if you look at tubes don't you find they pretty much already do something like this? their "paysite" is premium free memberships and everything else is ads, and xsales/upsales/mailings etc.

10-02-2011, 02:24 AM	#139
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	I'm going to steal your idea now.

10-03-2011, 09:09 AM	#148
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	i really try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove to me without a doubt that they are retarded, but i really think Markham could be retarded at this point.