Crank Naturopath "Cure" Killed Steve Jobs? - GoFuckYourself.com

porno jew · 10-05-2011, 10:44 PM

looks that way.

http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/10/05/...ating-illness/

I?m sad that today I?m adding a slide to one of my live presentations, adding Steve Jobs to the list of famous people who died treating terminal diseases with woo rather than with medicine.

Seven or eight years ago, the news broke that Steve Jobs had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but considering it a private matter, he delayed in informing Apple?s board, and Apple?s board delayed in informing the shareholders. So what. The only delay that really mattered was that Steve, it turned out, had been treating his pancreatic cancer with a special diet and other alternative therapies, prescribed by his naturopath.

Most pancreatic cancers are aggressive and always terminal, but Steve was lucky (if you can call it that) and had a rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is actually quite treatable with excellent survival rates ? if caught soon enough. The median survival is about a decade, but it depends on how soon it?s removed surgically. Steve caught his very early, and should have expected to survive much longer than a decade. Unfortunately Steve relied on a naturopathic diet instead of early surgery. There is no evidence that diet has any effect on islet cell carcinoma. As he dieted for nine months, the tumor progressed, and took him from the high end to the low end of the survival rate.

bhutocracy · 10-05-2011, 10:59 PM

islet cell neuroendocrine has a 94% 5 year survival rate when caught locally (as it was) and an 18% 5 year survival rate when it's metastasized. Sitting around for 9 months letting it metastasize? Might as well commit suicide. Doesn't matter how smart you are, you believe in alternative woo garbage, you die.

Sunny Day · 10-05-2011, 11:39 PM

My mother only believes in chiropractors, so much that her living will will only allow me to get a chiropractor, no matter if she's having a heart attack. Love my mom, but think I need to call 911 if something happens. Grief of her dead, or her anger I used a real doctor.

As for Jobs, don't really trust a diet to save you, but have a friend with Hep-C. Went on a super diet, no drinking, no drugs and looks better than 10 years ago at the HS Reunion. Get tired of his Facebook postings of scuba diving in Mexico, hiking through Utah Natl. Parks, running races. Maybe those vitamins worked.

Can't find the YouTube, but there was a funny one, where a guy is in a serious car crash, goes to a "holistic" hospital and they treat him with crap like St John's Wort. He's fucking bleeding to death. A few green leaves, waved by the patient, won't save his life.

Sunny Day · 10-05-2011, 11:47 PM

Jean Harlow, famous blonde actress fro the 30's died of uremic poisoning. She probably would have lived, but her mother was a Christian Scientist. Their only medical treatment is to pray.

ottopottomouse · 10-06-2011, 03:40 AM

I expect a lot of people who are terminally ill will try ANYTHING if it offers hope.

Nembrionic · 10-06-2011, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

looks that way.
Seven or eight years ago, the news broke that Steve Jobs had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but considering it a private matter, he delayed in informing Apple’s board, and Apple’s board delayed in informing the shareholders. So what. The only delay that really mattered was that Steve, it turned out, had been treating his pancreatic cancer with a special diet and other alternative therapies, prescribed by his naturopath.

LOL what? He got OPERATED. Watch his speech here. He tells he got operated in the last 7 minutes orso:

Oh wait...I guess a dodgy website is a more reliable source than straight from the horse's mouth ey?

Internet Guy · 10-06-2011, 04:14 AM

It's true he did have a more rare form of the cancer, which, if treated in time had a high chance of success..

The other (most common) pancreatic cancer is VERY aggressive and has a very low survival rate, even with treatment.

cherrylula · 10-06-2011, 04:25 AM

He lived 7 years with pancreatic cancer??? Yeah he had good medical treatment.

I lost a close relative to pancreatic cancer. The operation is really serious, takes several hours and is very risky, and if the person is not in good health it is even worse.

Whatever he was doing/eating obviously kept him alive a while as that cancer will kill you no problem six months or less. You don't want to get that kind of cancer, really.

BIGTYMER · 10-06-2011, 04:28 AM

He got a new liver too. From I think somebody fairly young.

bronco67 · 10-06-2011, 05:06 AM

I think eating in that fashion could be good for preventing cancer, but all bets are off once the tumors start. You have to rely on medicine at that point.

Brujah · 10-06-2011, 07:30 AM

he could've been a huge help in boosting contributions in the search for a cure for cancer.

Failed · 10-06-2011, 07:59 AM

A friend of mine from high school went on to be a surgeon. I have him on facebook, but we don't talk much. A mutual friend of ours from high school made a post that her mom had pancreatic cancer, and both I and the doctor gave her the typical we're so sorry, fight it, hang in there speech, because what the hell else can you really do or say, right?

Anyway, the girl went on to describe the treatments her mom was undergoing, chemo, and some other experimental treatments and has been giving us updates. She posts pictures of her mom which I can barely look at. She is skin and bones, and shell of her former self.

I asked our mutual doctor friend about the chemo and treatments her mom was receiving, if they would work, how helpful they are, this and that. He replied with a detailed message, that made a few important points:

1. He doesn't specialize in treating or operating on cancer patients so judge the information with that knowledge.
2. From what he does know, and from speaking with colleagues, chemo and other treatments for certain types of cancers, pancreatic included, is more a feel good measure for the patient. To let them know we're doing something for you, we're fighting, even though they know it's essentially hopeless and done for appearances.
3. Chemo will shorten the life span of someone with such a cancer. He described it as poisoning yourself when you're already sick, with no hope of doing anything but killing yourself quicker.
4. And this is where it gets conflicting, chemo can increase the lifespan of people with such a cancer because they believe it's fighting and working for them. That tricking the mind this way actually improves conditions more than the chemo does.
5. He spoke little about diet and nutrition, because he just didn't know.
6. He spoke of some kind of focused radiation, where the chemo or radiation, I get them confused, targets only the area of the tumor and that there have been results that look promising, but apparently it's new, and expensive.

Anyway, thought I'd share that communication. Take it for what it's worth, if anything. Some insight from a doctor, but not one that specializes in these matters.

bronco67 · 10-06-2011, 08:38 AM

Watch the Netflix instant documentary called "food Matters".

It goes in depth about the healing power of nutrition, and how doctors have minimal training in that area. Medicine is mostly about band-aids, instead of trying to prevent disease.

porno jew · 10-06-2011, 09:24 AM

lol, no one can read? instead of going with tradition medicine initially he tried a crank diet. once that was an obvious failure he went with traditional methods, but by that time it was too late.

if he would have went with traditional methods from the beginning he would likely still be alive.

PR_Glen · 10-06-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Watch the Netflix instant documentary called "food Matters".

It goes in depth about the healing power of nutrition, and how doctors have minimal training in that area. Medicine is mostly about band-aids, instead of trying to prevent disease.

Yes but once diagnosed with cancer it becomes a little late for 'preventative' measures right?

There is no argument that proper nutrition will prolong your life, even after being diagnosed with cancer, but it is not going to cure anything, that is for sure.

My gf has a dog who was diagnosed with cancer about 4 years ago, had large tumors seemed like he was on his last legs and was suggested to consider putting him down. She decided to do a little research first, changed some things with his food, gave him a more calorie dense grain free high protein diet and he is still running around chasing a frisbee, rolling on the floor acting like an ass (as he always does) stealing food off our plates and counters and couldn't be happier.. Tumors are still there, they slow him down obviously and he can't walk very long distances anymore but he is still running strong, and diet and spirit has everything to do with it i'm sure. We know he probably doesn't have a lot of time left, and he may just give out at anytime now but he is living proof that diet can help and even save you. Probably why i'm so preachy about foods myself!

epitome · 10-06-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

lol, no one can read? instead of going with tradition medicine initially he tried a crank diet. once that was an obvious failure he went with traditional methods, but by that time it was too late.

if he would have went with traditional methods from the beginning he would likely still be alive.

I didn't know his doctor was on this board.

Or is there a blog somewhere that he and his doctor updated daily with what was going on in his life and care?

Never knew pancreatic cancer was one size fits all.

porno jew · 10-06-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I didn't know his doctor was on this board.

Or is there a blog somewhere that he and his doctor updated daily with what was going on in his life and care?

Never knew pancreatic cancer was one size fits all.

i know people have trouble reading beyond the thread title and posting blindly based upon that, but c'mon ....

VikingMan · 10-06-2011, 01:30 PM

The alternative health care providers can be just as fucked up as traditional doctors.

GatorB · 10-06-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

Seven or eight years ago, the news broke that Steve Jobs had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

Ok consdiering the odds of living past 5 years are 5% the fact he lived another 3 I think he got lucky. So no nothing killed Steve except the cancer. Once he got the cancer he was dead. Odds of people live longer than 10 years is rare. So he wasn't making it past 65 or even 60 no matter what treatment he got.

bronco67 · 10-06-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Yes but once diagnosed with cancer it becomes a little late for 'preventative' measures right?

There is no argument that proper nutrition will prolong your life, even after being diagnosed with cancer, but it is not going to cure anything, that is for sure.

My gf has a dog who was diagnosed with cancer about 4 years ago, had large tumors seemed like he was on his last legs and was suggested to consider putting him down. She decided to do a little research first, changed some things with his food, gave him a more calorie dense grain free high protein diet and he is still running around chasing a frisbee, rolling on the floor acting like an ass (as he always does) stealing food off our plates and counters and couldn't be happier.. Tumors are still there, they slow him down obviously and he can't walk very long distances anymore but he is still running strong, and diet and spirit has everything to do with it i'm sure. We know he probably doesn't have a lot of time left, and he may just give out at anytime now but he is living proof that diet can help and even save you. Probably why i'm so preachy about foods myself!

Oh yeah, I think I said that earlier in the thread. Once the cancer is there, I don't think nutrition has a great chance of reversing anything.

GatorB · 10-06-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Yes but once diagnosed with cancer it becomes a little late for 'preventative' measures right?

There is no argument that proper nutrition will prolong your life, even after being diagnosed with cancer, but it is not going to cure anything, that is for sure.

My gf has a dog who was diagnosed with cancer about 4 years ago, had large tumors seemed like he was on his last legs and was suggested to consider putting him down. She decided to do a little research first, changed some things with his food, gave him a more calorie dense grain free high protein diet and he is still running around chasing a frisbee, rolling on the floor acting like an ass (as he always does) stealing food off our plates and counters and couldn't be happier.. Tumors are still there, they slow him down obviously and he can't walk very long distances anymore but he is still running strong, and diet and spirit has everything to do with it i'm sure. We know he probably doesn't have a lot of time left, and he may just give out at anytime now but he is living proof that diet can help and even save you. Probably why i'm so preachy about foods myself!

You kind of disproved your own point by pointing out that your gf's dog has lived another 28 human years after changing his diet. I think if most people that get cancer could live another 28 years by simply changing their diet they would take that in a heartbeat and consider it a "cure".

epitome · 10-06-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

i know people have trouble reading beyond the thread title and posting blindly based upon that, but c'mon ....

I read it. What I am saying is that he was an incredibly private man who spoke little of his health. Everything is speculation.

bhutocracy · 10-06-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

He lived 7 years with pancreatic cancer??? Yeah he had good medical treatment.

I lost a close relative to pancreatic cancer. The operation is really serious, takes several hours and is very risky, and if the person is not in good health it is even worse.

Whatever he was doing/eating obviously kept him alive a while as that cancer will kill you no problem six months or less. You don't want to get that kind of cancer, really.

You should have read the initial post and link before commenting cherry.

bhutocracy · 10-06-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok consdiering the odds of living past 5 years are 5% the fact he lived another 3 I think he got lucky. So no nothing killed Steve except the cancer. Once he got the cancer he was dead. Odds of people live longer than 10 years is rare. So he wasn't making it past 65 or even 60 no matter what treatment he got.

Your odds are wrong, you didn't read the original post, you're talking about a different cancer. His has 94% 5 year survival rate when caught early like his was. You are out by a factor of almost 20.

alias · 10-06-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Failed

A friend of mine from high school went on to be a surgeon. I have him on facebook, but we don't talk much. A mutual friend of ours from high school made a post that her mom had pancreatic cancer, and both I and the doctor gave her the typical we're so sorry, fight it, hang in there speech, because what the hell else can you really do or say, right?

Anyway, the girl went on to describe the treatments her mom was undergoing, chemo, and some other experimental treatments and has been giving us updates. She posts pictures of her mom which I can barely look at. She is skin and bones, and shell of her former self.

I asked our mutual doctor friend about the chemo and treatments her mom was receiving, if they would work, how helpful they are, this and that. He replied with a detailed message, that made a few important points:

1. He doesn't specialize in treating or operating on cancer patients so judge the information with that knowledge.
2. From what he does know, and from speaking with colleagues, chemo and other treatments for certain types of cancers, pancreatic included, is more a feel good measure for the patient. To let them know we're doing something for you, we're fighting, even though they know it's essentially hopeless and done for appearances.
3. Chemo will shorten the life span of someone with such a cancer. He described it as poisoning yourself when you're already sick, with no hope of doing anything but killing yourself quicker.
4. And this is where it gets conflicting, chemo can increase the lifespan of people with such a cancer because they believe it's fighting and working for them. That tricking the mind this way actually improves conditions more than the chemo does.
5. He spoke little about diet and nutrition, because he just didn't know.
6. He spoke of some kind of focused radiation, where the chemo or radiation, I get them confused, targets only the area of the tumor and that there have been results that look promising, but apparently it's new, and expensive.

Anyway, thought I'd share that communication. Take it for what it's worth, if anything. Some insight from a doctor, but not one that specializes in these matters.

Interesting.

GatorB · 10-06-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Your odds are wrong, you didn't read the original post, you're talking about a different cancer. His has 94% 5 year survival rate when caught early like his was. You are out by a factor of almost 20.

link or your gay. Also if true then he had bad luck didn't he?

EddyTheDog · 10-06-2011, 09:29 PM

And theres me thinking cancer killed him....

I have learnt today on GFY that it was either AIDS or his healthy diet.

Someone call CNN!

porno jew · 10-06-2011, 09:30 PM

as far as chemo for a relative of mind it had a crazy good placebo effect. it didn't extend her life but there weren't any of the site effects either, aside from some hair loss. very weird. poor dear.

10-05-2011, 10:44 PM	#1
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	Crank Naturopath "Cure" Killed Steve Jobs? looks that way. http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/10/05/...ating-illness/ I?m sad that today I?m adding a slide to one of my live presentations, adding Steve Jobs to the list of famous people who died treating terminal diseases with woo rather than with medicine. Seven or eight years ago, the news broke that Steve Jobs had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but considering it a private matter, he delayed in informing Apple?s board, and Apple?s board delayed in informing the shareholders. So what. The only delay that really mattered was that Steve, it turned out, had been treating his pancreatic cancer with a special diet and other alternative therapies, prescribed by his naturopath. Most pancreatic cancers are aggressive and always terminal, but Steve was lucky (if you can call it that) and had a rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is actually quite treatable with excellent survival rates ? if caught soon enough. The median survival is about a decade, but it depends on how soon it?s removed surgically. Steve caught his very early, and should have expected to survive much longer than a decade. Unfortunately Steve relied on a naturopathic diet instead of early surgery. There is no evidence that diet has any effect on islet cell carcinoma. As he dieted for nine months, the tumor progressed, and took him from the high end to the low end of the survival rate.

10-05-2011, 11:39 PM	#3
Sunny Day Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,406	Quacks My mother only believes in chiropractors, so much that her living will will only allow me to get a chiropractor, no matter if she's having a heart attack. Love my mom, but think I need to call 911 if something happens. Grief of her dead, or her anger I used a real doctor. As for Jobs, don't really trust a diet to save you, but have a friend with Hep-C. Went on a super diet, no drinking, no drugs and looks better than 10 years ago at the HS Reunion. Get tired of his Facebook postings of scuba diving in Mexico, hiking through Utah Natl. Parks, running races. Maybe those vitamins worked. Can't find the YouTube, but there was a funny one, where a guy is in a serious car crash, goes to a "holistic" hospital and they treat him with crap like St John's Wort. He's fucking bleeding to death. A few green leaves, waved by the patient, won't save his life.

10-05-2011, 11:47 PM	#4
Sunny Day Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,406	religion will kill you Jean Harlow, famous blonde actress fro the 30's died of uremic poisoning. She probably would have lived, but her mother was a Christian Scientist. Their only medical treatment is to pray.

10-06-2011, 03:40 AM	#5
ottopottomouse She is ugly, bad luck. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,177	I expect a lot of people who are terminally ill will try ANYTHING if it offers hope. __________________ ↑ see post ↑ 13101

10-06-2011, 05:06 AM	#10
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	I think eating in that fashion could be good for preventing cancer, but all bets are off once the tumors start. You have to rely on medicine at that point. __________________

10-05-2011, 10:59 PM	#2
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	islet cell neuroendocrine has a 94% 5 year survival rate when caught locally (as it was) and an 18% 5 year survival rate when it's metastasized. Sitting around for 9 months letting it metastasize? Might as well commit suicide. Doesn't matter how smart you are, you believe in alternative woo garbage, you die.

10-06-2011, 04:14 AM	#7
Internet Guy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 402	It's true he did have a more rare form of the cancer, which, if treated in time had a high chance of success.. The other (most common) pancreatic cancer is VERY aggressive and has a very low survival rate, even with treatment.

10-06-2011, 04:25 AM	#8
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	He lived 7 years with pancreatic cancer??? Yeah he had good medical treatment. I lost a close relative to pancreatic cancer. The operation is really serious, takes several hours and is very risky, and if the person is not in good health it is even worse. Whatever he was doing/eating obviously kept him alive a while as that cancer will kill you no problem six months or less. You don't want to get that kind of cancer, really.

10-06-2011, 04:28 AM	#9
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	He got a new liver too. From I think somebody fairly young.

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10-06-2011, 07:59 AM	#12
Failed Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,301	A friend of mine from high school went on to be a surgeon. I have him on facebook, but we don't talk much. A mutual friend of ours from high school made a post that her mom had pancreatic cancer, and both I and the doctor gave her the typical we're so sorry, fight it, hang in there speech, because what the hell else can you really do or say, right? Anyway, the girl went on to describe the treatments her mom was undergoing, chemo, and some other experimental treatments and has been giving us updates. She posts pictures of her mom which I can barely look at. She is skin and bones, and shell of her former self. I asked our mutual doctor friend about the chemo and treatments her mom was receiving, if they would work, how helpful they are, this and that. He replied with a detailed message, that made a few important points: 1. He doesn't specialize in treating or operating on cancer patients so judge the information with that knowledge. 2. From what he does know, and from speaking with colleagues, chemo and other treatments for certain types of cancers, pancreatic included, is more a feel good measure for the patient. To let them know we're doing something for you, we're fighting, even though they know it's essentially hopeless and done for appearances. 3. Chemo will shorten the life span of someone with such a cancer. He described it as poisoning yourself when you're already sick, with no hope of doing anything but killing yourself quicker. 4. And this is where it gets conflicting, chemo can increase the lifespan of people with such a cancer because they believe it's fighting and working for them. That tricking the mind this way actually improves conditions more than the chemo does. 5. He spoke little about diet and nutrition, because he just didn't know. 6. He spoke of some kind of focused radiation, where the chemo or radiation, I get them confused, targets only the area of the tumor and that there have been results that look promising, but apparently it's new, and expensive. Anyway, thought I'd share that communication. Take it for what it's worth, if anything. Some insight from a doctor, but not one that specializes in these matters.

10-06-2011, 08:38 AM	#13
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	Watch the Netflix instant documentary called "food Matters". It goes in depth about the healing power of nutrition, and how doctors have minimal training in that area. Medicine is mostly about band-aids, instead of trying to prevent disease. __________________

10-06-2011, 09:24 AM	#14
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	lol, no one can read? instead of going with tradition medicine initially he tried a crank diet. once that was an obvious failure he went with traditional methods, but by that time it was too late. if he would have went with traditional methods from the beginning he would likely still be alive.

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10-06-2011, 09:30 PM	#28
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	as far as chemo for a relative of mind it had a crazy good placebo effect. it didn't extend her life but there weren't any of the site effects either, aside from some hair loss. very weird. poor dear.