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Old 10-22-2011, 07:28 AM   #51
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stop dating fat chicks and you wont find ones with thyroid problems.
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You could be on to something here Mr Maxwell.

I've seen excactly what you mean, didn't think about the thyroid issue being the cause though at the time.

Wasn't as bad, but it ended
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get her banned from the local buffets. cheaper than meds.
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Labs a couple of months old are fine.

Treating a thyroid is not hard and is EXTREMELY cheap. I mean, you can buy a year worth of thyroid medication online for around 75 bucks without a prescription. It's not a controlled substance either so there is no issue with importing them. Takes about two weeks to receive them though.
L-thyroxine?

I don't have recent labs to give, but I know that I fall within what western medicine says are "normal" ranges.

I think they are off on the definition of normal, and would certainly try self medication.
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L-thyroxine?

I don't have recent labs to give, but I know that I fall within what western medicine says are "normal" ranges.

I think they are off on the definition of normal, and would certainly try self medication.
First a little background. Our thyroid gland produces T4, T3, T2, T1, and Calcitonin. T4 & T3 are the most important with regards to metabolism. T3 is the "active" hormone (the one that activates cell receptors to actually raise metabolism) and T4 is a precursor to T3 (i.e., the body *should* convert T4 to T3 as needed).

We naturally produce T4 and T3 at a ratio of around 5:1 along with trace amounts of T2, T1, and Calcitonin.

L-thyroxine is synthetic T4. Today, most doctors prescribe ONLY this hormone to treat hypothyroidism with the notion that the body will convert it to T3 as needed. The problem here is that this doesn't happen efficiently enough for most people. So people will have high T4 levels (that do nothing for metabolism), and sub-optimal T3 levels. But a poorly trained doctor will see that TSH (thyroid hormone demand) has dropped, and they will assume you're fine.

Prior to the development of synthetic T4, in the early 1900s, doctors were treating hypothyroidism using dessicated thyroid (pulverized porcine thyroid) with great success. Dessicated thyroid (Armour, Nature, Westhroid, etc.) have a ratio of T4:T3 that is close to what a human thyroid gland would naturally produce. Unfortunately, a pharma company comes along and synthesizes T4 sometime in the 70s I believe and suddenly the medical community is being "educated" on how this is the best way to treat people with hypothyroidism. Coincidentally, around this time diagnoses of fibromyalgia, depression, and other disorders start to rise. Of course, correlation doesn't equal causation but it's definitely curious to say the least.

Anyway, the medication I would personally suggest is dessicated thyroid (any brand). You would slowly increase your dose until hypothyroid symptoms disappear and/or your lab ranges show your Free T3 near the top of the range (after an AM blood draw BEFORE you take any of your meds). Most people are able to correct their metabolism using between 60mg-180mg of the hormone (some may need more). For example, my mom started at 30mg, a week later went up to 60mg, then a week later 90mg and then held at this dose for 4 weeks. We got labs and her Free T3 was much better than before (on T4 only) but she still needed a little more. So we increased her dose to 120mg and held for 4 weeks again, got some labs done, and now she's just where she needs to be. Nothing has changed and it's been over a year now and she feels much better. My dose is also 120mg. Each small pill is 60mg and I take 1 in the AM and one in the afternoon.

If (a shitty) doctor would review your labs at a point where you're feeling better on the meds, they'd probably say "oh your TSH" is too low, you're taking too much. But in reality, you're not... your brain just has no need to send this signal to your thyroid gland to produce any hormone because you're already supplementing it via your meds. So, if you decide to look for a doctor to treat your thyroid... make sure they focus on markers other than TSH, specifically Free T3. Otherwise you'll just end up at square one.

It really is a very simple process. The problem is people expect results immediately but it takes a good 4+ weeks for symptom alleviation after you've found your dose, so patience is key. You really don't wake up one morning and say "wow I feel it now" because it's such a gradual improvement... instead, after a couple of months you'll look back and realize how awful you felt then vs now.

The hormone is natural and it's cheap. Labwork is cheap (you don't even need to go to a doctor to get it) and once you've found your optimal dose you may need to order labs once a year just to make sure nothing has changed.
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I finally went to the place she is "renting" a room fromt he older woman

Same as the last 7 days. Car there, no answer at the door there. So I went behind the house, to her basement window.... and I could see her little feet

I swear to christ I thought she was dead... I banged on the window and her one foot twitched.. I thought she was really in bad shape

She finally ended up talking with me but too tired to try to explain what she said (if anyone even cares)


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Where are her friends and family during all this?

It seems to me you're assuming a lot of responsibility that's not entirely your own. It might be different if you shared a residence, but obviously you don't.
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all joking aside my exwife had bad thyroid issues. the guys in this thread are right youre in for (even more) miserable, unstable, and erratic behavior from her. distance yourself from the powder keg. you cannot win no matter how hard you try. kids or no kids, leave now or at the very least develop an exit strategy or you're in for swat teams, explosions, 911 calls, repomen, bounty hunters, exboyfriends, and all sorts of other colorful occurences at your doorstep. no matter how 'good' she was before if she's mentally off due to thyroid imbalance youre fucked man. mark my word and yes im speaking from firsthand experience. LEAVE while you still can
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all joking aside my exwife had bad thyroid issues. the guys in this thread are right youre in for (even more) miserable, unstable, and erratic behavior from her. distance yourself from the powder keg. you cannot win no matter how hard you try. kids or no kids, leave now or at the very least develop an exit strategy or you're in for swat teams, explosions, 911 calls, repomen, bounty hunters, exboyfriends, and all sorts of other colorful occurences at your doorstep. no matter how 'good' she was before if she's mentally off due to thyroid imbalance youre fucked man. mark my word and yes im speaking from firsthand experience. LEAVE while you still can
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Fastest way to cure this issue: Half Greens/Half Fruit only lifestyle. Google Green Smoothie Revolution. The authors husband cured his thyroid issues on this very easy to sustain lifestyle. Good luck
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all joking aside my exwife had bad thyroid issues. the guys in this thread are right youre in for (even more) miserable, unstable, and erratic behavior from her. distance yourself from the powder keg. you cannot win no matter how hard you try. kids or no kids, leave now or at the very least develop an exit strategy or you're in for swat teams, explosions, 911 calls, repomen, bounty hunters, exboyfriends, and all sorts of other colorful occurences at your doorstep. no matter how 'good' she was before if she's mentally off due to thyroid imbalance youre fucked man. mark my word and yes im speaking from firsthand experience. LEAVE while you still can
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this is Rx only right?
technically, yes.

but it isn't a controlled substance so you can import it from overseas w/o risk.... i buy mine from edrug2.com
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which one do you get , the -s or
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but it isn't a controlled substance so you can import it from overseas w/o risk.... i buy mine from edrug2.com
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I get the "Armour Thyroid Thiroyd" one.
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you just take one pill a day?
I take one in the AM and one in the afternoon... around 6 hours after the morning dose. Timing isn't that critical, I just make sure to get it in me.

If you're going to try this, don't jump right on it. You want to titrate your dose upwards over several weeks.

Before anything though, get some labwork done to establish a baseline and identify any problems! Do you believe you're hypo?
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just a little, had lap work done a couple of years ago and they said I was a little low, gave me a small dose of thyroxin, I think it was like .25 mcg, not sure of the dose, but it was low.

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I take one in the AM and one in the afternoon... around 6 hours after the morning dose. Timing isn't that critical, I just make sure to get it in me.

If you're going to try this, don't jump right on it. You want to titrate your dose upwards over several weeks.

Before anything though, get some labwork done to establish a baseline and identify any problems! Do you believe you're hypo?
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just a little, had lap work done a couple of years ago and they said I was a little low, gave me a small dose of thyroxin, I think it was like .25 mcg, not sure of the dose, but it was low.
Oh yeah, you've got to be careful with low dose thyroid hormone because like I said above, it will suppress your TSH (lowering natural output) and then you're basically supplying what you're preventing from being produced. And since most docs rely on TSH as the indicator of thyroid function, they'll say you're fine even if you tell them you feel the same.

I suffered for almost 2 years thanks to shitty doctors. I could hardly think straight, always tired & in a fog... reading comprehension was awful, I had to re-read things over and over because I'd lose focus in the middle of a paragraph. It absolutely killed my motivation too... made me anti-social as hell, I never wanted to do anything but stay home.
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We have three children, a house, etc...

It's not really that easy.

In that case you will have to run away with the children
Leave any assets or whatever else and go NOW
Treat it like this

A Hurricane will be at your door in four minutes
Grab anything you can on the way out
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maybe try to give her iodine instead of toxic drugs. Iodine is lacking in just about all modern food but it is a vital nutrition for the thyroid.
There was this other thing... iron I think?
She supplemented that for awhile
I think it helped

I didn't know you could sup iodine
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SHE IS NOT A FAT LADY JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS A BAD THYROID
SHE IS NOT A FAT LADY JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS A BAD THYROID
SHE IS NOT A FAT LADY JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS A BAD THYROID
SHE IS NOT A FAT LADY JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS A BAD THYROID

How many times do I have to tell everyone that?!
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Where are her friends and family during all this?

It seems to me you're assuming a lot of responsibility that's not entirely your own. It might be different if you shared a residence, but obviously you don't.
Her parents are in Chi town
Too busy staying in 4 star hotels and driving a Cadillac to give a fuck
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all joking aside my exwife had bad thyroid issues. the guys in this thread are right youre in for (even more) miserable, unstable, and erratic behavior from her. distance yourself from the powder keg. you cannot win no matter how hard you try. kids or no kids, leave now or at the very least develop an exit strategy or you're in for swat teams, explosions, 911 calls, repomen, bounty hunters, exboyfriends, and all sorts of other colorful occurences at your doorstep. no matter how 'good' she was before if she's mentally off due to thyroid imbalance youre fucked man. mark my word and yes im speaking from firsthand experience. LEAVE while you still can

Sigh.. what a fucking shame
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Oh well I am feeling better, today. Sat talking with her over an hour... she thinks she's "going back to god". I tried to explain that sexless human beings with no intimate human interaction age quickly, look and feel deep sadness all of the time, etc. And besides she is twice as horny as *I* am... LoL..

She's hopeless, I suppose.. I just have to get over it.. it will be okay- there are PLENTY of women in the world and I just love women so no problem, just ain't gonna feel good for awhile

And I have a tip for everyone:

Anything you do or have done for a woman does not count if she doesn't ask or remember asking you to do it, at all, no matter what it cost you or in what way, so only do something for a woman if you can do it expecting nothing more than to feel good about what you did for her. And, make sure that she is worth doing it for, first. Because once something doesn't count, it ain't easy to feel good about it. You could try simply not doing whatever it is, but she might hate you for not doing what ever it might have been, so you probably should do it, or you could always just let someone convince you that you need a new one OR try having one less problem.
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who is paying rent at her new hovel? where you living now?
It is an older woman who was renting her basement to a friend of my "woman".. So she recommends my woman, to rent it. She moved a truck load of shit in and hasn't paid the woman. She went and pawned some rings and finally gave the lady $100

It would be a nice setup for her.. it's in a nice neighborhood and a huge space for $400/mo bills paid.. if she ever pays for it

She FINALLY had some money two weeks ago.. And she ran and spent it joining some jewelry club she use to hustle for.... Spent $400 on that shit .. I wanted to do a $30 oil change on my car and gas up both cars and buy food with the money... she told me "get a job if you need anything."

I have not spent a dime on her ass since

I found a room, also for $400 bills paid.. it is a very quiet place, the owners are hardly home, comes with 12m internet and highest direcTV package and furnished and private bath... Nice quiet place for me

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ew i bet because she's so fat she has fat girl feet too yuck
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i think we discovered the cause of her "thyroid" issue.
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First a little background. Our thyroid gland produces T4, T3, T2, T1, and Calcitonin. T4 & T3 are the most important with regards to metabolism. T3 is the "active" hormone (the one that activates cell receptors to actually raise metabolism) and T4 is a precursor to T3 (i.e., the body *should* convert T4 to T3 as needed).

We naturally produce T4 and T3 at a ratio of around 5:1 along with trace amounts of T2, T1, and Calcitonin.

L-thyroxine is synthetic T4. Today, most doctors prescribe ONLY this hormone to treat hypothyroidism with the notion that the body will convert it to T3 as needed. The problem here is that this doesn't happen efficiently enough for most people. So people will have high T4 levels (that do nothing for metabolism), and sub-optimal T3 levels. But a poorly trained doctor will see that TSH (thyroid hormone demand) has dropped, and they will assume you're fine.

Prior to the development of synthetic T4, in the early 1900s, doctors were treating hypothyroidism using dessicated thyroid (pulverized porcine thyroid) with great success. Dessicated thyroid (Armour, Nature, Westhroid, etc.) have a ratio of T4:T3 that is close to what a human thyroid gland would naturally produce. Unfortunately, a pharma company comes along and synthesizes T4 sometime in the 70s I believe and suddenly the medical community is being "educated" on how this is the best way to treat people with hypothyroidism. Coincidentally, around this time diagnoses of fibromyalgia, depression, and other disorders start to rise. Of course, correlation doesn't equal causation but it's definitely curious to say the least.

Anyway, the medication I would personally suggest is dessicated thyroid (any brand). You would slowly increase your dose until hypothyroid symptoms disappear and/or your lab ranges show your Free T3 near the top of the range (after an AM blood draw BEFORE you take any of your meds). Most people are able to correct their metabolism using between 60mg-180mg of the hormone (some may need more). For example, my mom started at 30mg, a week later went up to 60mg, then a week later 90mg and then held at this dose for 4 weeks. We got labs and her Free T3 was much better than before (on T4 only) but she still needed a little more. So we increased her dose to 120mg and held for 4 weeks again, got some labs done, and now she's just where she needs to be. Nothing has changed and it's been over a year now and she feels much better. My dose is also 120mg. Each small pill is 60mg and I take 1 in the AM and one in the afternoon.

If (a shitty) doctor would review your labs at a point where you're feeling better on the meds, they'd probably say "oh your TSH" is too low, you're taking too much. But in reality, you're not... your brain just has no need to send this signal to your thyroid gland to produce any hormone because you're already supplementing it via your meds. So, if you decide to look for a doctor to treat your thyroid... make sure they focus on markers other than TSH, specifically Free T3. Otherwise you'll just end up at square one.

It really is a very simple process. The problem is people expect results immediately but it takes a good 4+ weeks for symptom alleviation after you've found your dose, so patience is key. You really don't wake up one morning and say "wow I feel it now" because it's such a gradual improvement... instead, after a couple of months you'll look back and realize how awful you felt then vs now.

The hormone is natural and it's cheap. Labwork is cheap (you don't even need to go to a doctor to get it) and once you've found your optimal dose you may need to order labs once a year just to make sure nothing has changed.
With all of the god damned hours of reading I have done, no one ever mentioned the difference, not so clearly. That is easy as hell to understand, for me, now.
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Old 10-23-2011, 01:28 PM   #92
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this is Rx only right?
you can get bovine/cow desiccated thyroid and it works the same. i worked for a holistic health practioner many moons ago and he treated women with pretty servere thyroid dysfuntion. i watched these women get healthy over a few months time and they were terribly ill when they came in. not saying it is the answer for everyone, but if anyone is interested in checking out the product he used it is here: http://www.standardprocess.com/displ...hinpmg8025.pdf
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you can get bovine/cow desiccated thyroid and it works the same. i worked for a holistic health practioner many moons ago and he treated women with pretty servere thyroid dysfuntion. i watched these women get healthy over a few months time and they were terribly ill when they came in. not saying it is the answer for everyone, but if anyone is interested in checking out the product he used it is here: http://www.standardprocess.com/displ...hinpmg8025.pdf
If I ever see her again, and that is dreadfully likely, I will be sure and try to make her take some
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If I ever see her again, and that is dreadfully likely, I will be sure and try to make her take some
Have you ever stopped to ask what is it about yourself that you need to live in constant chaos and that your life is always such a mess?
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Have you ever stopped to ask what is it about yourself that you need to live in constant chaos and that your life is always such a mess?

I thought it was really very stupid for years, but when I was younger I was diagnosed with "adhd" and now my sister went this week and was diag with the same thing "adhd".. so hopefully when I go next week, I can get fixed

We're both supposedly intelligent and have all of these great ideas and climb walls when not doing anything, then, we can't do anything

She's better already with what they gave her

I always have been one of these, I ain't taking shit, even when I have a huge headache ... but fuck it .. I can't be poor forever and have spent the last 2-3 years climbing walls trying to figure out why I can't make myself do anything .. If this is it, that would be great

I use to make money, I KNOW that I know how, and I want to do it again SOON

Poverty is ridiculous
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Yeah, and, if I don't make myself make money, soon, someone else will.. and it won't be much.. because I will be at some $10-$15/hr job !!!
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What do you think people did before they had silly excuses like "ADHD" and socialist-leaning-societies to bankroll them.

They worked or they starved. You should try it. I guarantee it will change your outlook.
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What do you think people did before they had silly excuses like "ADHD" and socialist-leaning-societies to bankroll them.

They worked or they starved. You should try it. I guarantee it will change your outlook.

I thought it was silly, too, but I believe it now.
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Excuses and failure always compliment each other. Take charge of your life. It really is as simple as making the decision to do it.

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I thought it was silly, too, but I believe it now.
Ask yourself why you spend so much time and energy trying to care for someone that obviously doesn't care for you, and figure out a way to apply that energy to your own success. If you can focus on one thing, you have to be able to find a way to channel that focus into something that's actually productive. Some pills may help, but I think that you already have it in yourself to help control the issue.

You should also look at your diet. I'm betting that you eat like absolute shit.
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