stocktrader23

I don't give a shit that she "lost", that is expected. I give a shit that he was cleared of wrongdoing even though he is obviously wrong and that idiots are apologizing for it because "that's just how it is". She got herself a nice little check by not following retarded ass orders, maybe one day taxpayers won't have to pay for stupidity of cops and those that back this kind of behavior.

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they should have knocked her teeth out for resisting.

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she was being a pain in the ass though

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It really, really gets under my skin that there is a "failure to OBEY a police officer" law in cities in the United States.

WTF? It's an actual LAW? So now the cops could just decide they don't like the way you fucking look...walk up to you and demand you to get up against a wall with your hands spread.

And if you ask "why"...you just "disobeyed" and broke the law. NOW they can take your ass. And if you try to pull away and ask "WHY?" Now you've "resisted arrest"

We have given WAY too much authority to cops. Total bullshit. Failure to "Obey". Like we are a bunch of animals or children.

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kane

they do this because if you are guilty of something they want you to reveal it.

Things can escalate in a hurry out of nothing. Here is a case out of my life.

Last year I got pulled over for having expired tags. I had the new tags with me in the glove box, but hadn't put them on yet. This was in June. My tags expire in June. I thought I had until the end of the month, but apparently that isn't the case. On your registration there is an actual day the tags expire.

I am driving, my brother is in the passenger seat and we get pulled over. He asks if I know why I got pulled over and I say no. He tells me expired tags. I tell him I have the new tags in the glove box and explain that i thought I had until the end of the month to put them. That is when he tells me about the expiration date. My brother opens up the glove box and is looking for the new tags. It is taking a minute for him to find them in all the junk I have in there. The cop then casually says to me: "Where you guys headed?" That question struck me wrong. The first thing that popped into my head was to tell him it was no fucking business of his where I was headed. Instead I just said, "Home. Why?" He didn't answer.

My brother then finds the tags, he has us put them on and all is fine in the world.

Now had I decided to say what I was thinking he may have shrugged it off. He also may have given me a ticket. He also may have gotten in my face about being respectful to a cop and which point I could easily see how something like that could escalate to the point where I could get arrested and if I choose then resist arrest I could end up getting my ass kicked.

A lot of times cops ask you little things in hopes that you will react a certain way and expose yourself. Had I stuttered or stammered or seemed like I was making something up when I answered him he might have asked me more questions because he felt like I was up to something illegal. He might also have a feeling like I have drugs on me or in the car and is looking for a reason to search it.

The moral of the story is: when dealing with the police, stay calm, say as little as possible and keep your hands off them.

ThunderBalls

Nope sorry, thats not the moral of the story, the moral of the story is you're so spineless you'll let the cops violate every right you have because you're afraid. That my friend is a police state.

kane

Where do you see that she got a a nice little check? I went back and looked through the thread and it looks like he was cleared of wrong doing and she still has charges pending.

As for their wrong doing: are you saying they should have never arrested her or that when they decided to arrest her that they should have never been as rough as they were?

thickcash_amo

Cops think they can get away with anything, and they push the limits everyday. Whats scary is we don't always get their behavior on tape or even hear about it.

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The cops went too easy on her. I mean she actually had the nerve to grab the officers shirt as she was having her airway cut off. The police officer might have had his smelly t-shirt stretched out. Oh the horror!

stocktrader23

Was she under arrest? Looked to me like she had free control of her hands until they got pissy that she didn't bow down to their orders about the cell phone. I'll answer my fucking phone whenever I damned well please and so should she. I called my dad once while a cop was threatening me and told him "listen to this stupid fucker". If I were a black lady in the ghetto I would have been arrested but I made it clear that I knew my rights and that he could kiss my ass for trying to order me around like I'm his puppy. What is wrong with you that you think this shit is OK? If he wanted to arrest her he says "You are under arrest", instead he was going apeshit over a phone call. I'd bet $1 that's because he had no cause to arrest her at the time. Fuck him.

Oh, and even if he was 100% justified in making an arrest (he wasn't unless something huge is missing) he still handled it wrong. It's fucking illegal, they just simply don't get held accountable or this craziness would end.

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kane

So choosing to bite my lip in response to a question instead of mouthing off and potentially causing myself more trouble than it would have ever been worth is spineless?

To me life is about making choices. You choose your battles. This one was a battle that was not worth fighting. For all I know the guy was just trying to make conversation while we waited for my brother to find my tags. It is also possible he was digging for information and hoping I would say something stupid that might give him probable cause to look deeper into me.

Now had he asked me to get out of the car and asked to search my car, it would have been a different story. I would have refused and I would have also refused to answer any questions of his beyond that point.

just a punk

This video one is much more fucked up. prison warder beats a woman prisoner:

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kane

I can only go off of what is in the video and what I saw in that article posted here. It sounds like she is engaged to a guy they were looking for/investigating and the cop thought it was he that she was talking to and that she would warn him about them so he told her to not use the phone.

I assume she was arrested because in the article it says "the arresting officer," but I don't know if that arrest came from her not putting down the phone or from her resisting arrest.

When you were stopped/dealing with the cops and called your dad what was the situation? If you were involved with someone else they were looking for, they likely wouldn't have just let you talk on the phone for fear that you would be warning/informing them.

I'm not saying cops are perfect. I'm not saying they couldn't have handled this situation better. It is a hard fucking job. Everyone you talk to all day long lies to you and you have to figure out who is right and wrong and arrest those who are really breaking the law. If the police are after your girlfriend/fiance' and they think you are helping to hide her, they aren't going to be sweet and nice to you and just let you talk on the phone. Maybe they will be in the wrong by taking your phone away, maybe they won't be, but they often have seconds to make that decision and act on it.

ThunderBalls

In my opinion it is and here's why. In a free society government agents should never have the authority to stop people at random (don't fool yourself, thats exactly what most traffic stops are) and question people on where they are going or where they just came from. The more people accept it the more it happens and it inches towards fascism. It is none of the govts business where I've or anyone has been.



Why would it have been different if he wanted to search? Why would you care...you have nothing to hide.

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Phoenix

sometimes cops are just chit chatting as well...you know like the girl at the 7/11
it is their form of talking about the weather.
remain calm, be nice, try to make a non offensive joke
no problems

cops are people...however roided up cops on power trips are asshats

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Bingo!

I have had a pig show up at my front door looking for someone I had never heard of before, and refuse to leave until I showed him my DL. Now why the fuck should I have to show my DL on my own fucking property, when I'm not even driving a car? The cop was so stupid that he literally did not know that I had the right to refuse to ID myself on my own front porch and had to call his supervisor to OK it.

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Let me guess, she was big fat black woman?
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First off, he didn't stop me at random. He saw my tags expire in that month so he punched my license plate number into their system and it showed that they were in fact already expired so he then pulled me over. That is a legitimate stop. I was in violation of a law he was stopping me for it.

He never asked me where I was coming from, but as I said above he did ask me where I was going. I don't know what his intentions were with the question. I happen to know and am friends with a bunch of cops so I know a lot of times the seemingly innocent question isn't so.




You are right, I had done nothing wrong and therefore he had no reason to search my car. Had he decided he wanted to do that for whatever reason I would have told him that I was not consenting to the search. Had he decided to get a warrant or if he told me he has probable cause I would have insisted that he wait to conduct the search until I had legal council present to observe it.

It is one thing to bite you tongue and not be a smartass when asked a question that is meaningless to you. It is another all together to have your constitutional rights violated. Again, in life you have to choose your battles. Searching my car (or house or anything) for no reason is one that I would choose to fight.

ThunderBalls

Any patrol cop will tell you a traffic stop is a potential felony arrest, you got pulled over because the cop was hoping his little minnow he just caught could turn into a fish or a whale, not because your tags expired a few days before. Cops get promoted based on the amount of arrests they have, and felony arrests score higher points, so they are hoping for drugs, DUI, and yes, assault on a police officer. They have incentive to escalate the situation.

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kane

I am aware that they pull you over for little things hoping for big things. If they pull you over for having a busted taillight they don't give a shit about your taillight, they are hoping that you are driving while suspended or uninsured.

But let me ask this: If they pull someone over for something lame like a busted taillight or expired tags and it turns out that person is driving while suspended and doesn't have insurance didn't they potentially just do the public a favor? If that person would have continued to drive around and eventually hit you, they have no insurance you could be screwed. If you were in your car you have uninsured motorist which will help, but if they hit you while you were on a bike or walking you are fucked.

Also, most police departments don't have any kind of arrest or ticket quotas that they have to fill. There might be some out there, but most have done away with it because it can lead to causes corruption.

stocktrader23

If they pull you over for no reason at all and you end up with a suspended license didn't they do everyone a favor?

We have rights for a damn reason.

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They pulled me over because I was speeding. I was well over 100 mph; They could have arrested me and impounded my car. They had a reason to pull me over, and they had probable cause to think something else illegal was going on.

I had complete respect with the officers, everything was "yes sir" or "no sir", and I did what I was told.

It was even better when I got to court. The judge and I were the only two wearing a tie in the courtroom. I sat there for an hour listening to the bullshit, the excuses, the crying. I'm facing a thousand dollar fine and loosing my driver's license. Judge asks how I plead, I said "Guilty your honor". The judge was dumbfounded. Seems it's not that often that someone shows respect and isn't afraid to admit the truth. He asked if I wished to explain the incident and I just said "I got caught speeding". The ticket was dropped from exceeding 100mph to a regular speeding ticket, $150 fine, one point on my DL.

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I bet she will put her phone down next time.

ThunderBalls

Of course the more police presence there is the less crime there will be, if they started doing house to house searches they could probably get half the drugs off the street, but is that a cost you're willing to pay? I'm not. I personally think a proactive form of policing will always lead to abuse, wanting more power and violating ones rights. Cops should be like the fire dept, when theres a fire jump in your cars and go put it out, not drive around setting fires.

kane

If they pull me over for no reason at all how would I end up with a suspended licenses?

kane

So the police should not drive around looking for drunk drivers?

The police should not drive around looking for crimes that are being committed on the spot like assaults, robberies or burglaries?

There is a big gap between pulling someone over because they have expired tags in hopes that they might have a suspended license or no insurance and going door to door doing random searches of people's homes.

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Yeah, never enough laws on the books. I mean all that shit about not walking your donkey on Sunday and no oral or anal sex in several states should be enough probable cause for the cops to fuck with you hoping your breaking other laws too. Hell dildos are illegal in several areas, if you see someone leaving the porn store they should definitely be searched for drugs! Don't even get me started on interracial marriages and all that other illegal shit.

You see how stupid that sounds? That is exactly how stupid it is to want cops stopping people for a busted tail light with the intentions of catching felons.

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kane

Now you are just starting to sound ridiculous.

If we want to start listing stupid laws that if enforced could fuck with our lives we could be here all day. The reality is this: there are enough laws on the books that the cops could stop just about any car on the road at any time they wanted and they could find some reason in the books to do so. Most of the time they don't do that. Whether they admit it or not they profile and they choose to pull people over for lame reasons who they feel could potentially be in violation of other, bigger things.

But none of this has much to do with the original post in this thread which is that the chick was told to not talk on the phone because they felt she was interfering with an investigation. She didn't do it. they tried to take the phone away and things got ugly from there. You can see it two ways. Depending on where you stand the cops did their job or the cops went too far.

jimmy-3-way

Fact.

I can either suck it up and kiss a roided up moron's ass for 5 minutes and be home in my comfy ass bed watching Top Chef that night or I can fight the good fight and end up in the tank with 35 smelly Mexicans and meth heads sleeping on a shitty floor and getting my colon inspected with a flashlight.

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kane

And to me, in the end, the fight over him asking me where I was headed was not worth it. Now a full on illegal search, that would be a fight worth risking that for.

jimmy-3-way

Although, as much as I agree with you I did get into a full on shouting match with a bunch of cops a while back. I pulled over at a convenience store to get a beverage and my passenger stayed in the car. My passenger that was, I should be clear, not a baby.

A few miles later I get pulled over, lights and sirens by 4 cop cars, two marked with unis and two unmarked with detectives and they surround me, blocking me in front and rear. The unis rush up to the car guns drawn and get me out and start shouting that I'm under arrest and CPS is on the way to take my baby (see above, no baby.)

I'm like, "You morons have the wrong guy. Do you see a baby? Do you see a car seat? Do you have eyes? Put your fucking guns away and think about this."

Apparently someone called in an abandoned baby in a car and gave the description of my car. Which was weird since I was in the place for 5 mins tops. One of the cops was like, "Stop being an asshole, we're just doing our job." as he was walking away.

I replied, "Does doing your job include using your fucking eyeballs before you draw guns and rush into a situation you have completely and totally misread? Yeah, I thought so, keep stepping, flat foot."

I spose it helps that I'm white and was innocent.

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Well...like it or not...it has been pretty much this way for your life time.

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One has to legally comply with an officers orders and if one doesn't one can be arrested...and when being arrested if one does not submissively comply with the orders of the officer one can be charged with resisting arrest and if one resists...an officer can legally...virtually use...whatever force he deems to be necessary to initiate the arrest...and if one so much as touches the officer at any point in time...one can be charged with assaulting an officer and that is now a felony where as in years past it was a misdemeanor.

BTW...you are full of pig shit.

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Cops can do what ever they want.

Robbie

Oh hell no it hasn't. Not where I lived in a small town. I was raised in a country type town. And the cops weren't on a power trip with the people who lived there. Matter of fact my mom was a deputy sheriff and I saw cops working all the time.

They didn't have the rights to do half the shit they can now. For instance they couldn't search you or your car. And they definitely couldn't arrest you for not "obeying".

I cursed out many a cop in Ft. Lauderdale/Miami when they got smart with me when I lived there during the 1980's. Got pulled over for speeding a few times right on the strip there...and usually had an eight ball in my pocket. But guess what? They couldn't search my car.

That's all bullshit that the Supreme Court started up a little later and ruled that they could do all these searches and seizures (it was unconstitutional before that)

So dude...don't presume to know shit about me. I've done and seen more in my life than most from all my travels in my bands since 1978.

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stocktrader23

Everything out of a cops mouth is not a "lawful order" you dumb fuck. You have the right to disobey unlawful orders and I will continue to do so. If you are willing to give up your rights because someone has a badge that is your business but don't expect me or anyone else to be such a pansy about it.

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kane

This is completely off the subject, but I wanted to ask. I have seen you mention being in bands and touring a few times. Were any of these bands that anyone would have heard of or were they more like small, touring bands? Why kind of music did you play? Just curious.

stocktrader23

I have cussed at cops in probably 8 out of my last 10 interactions with them. I live in a small town but the city police in town aren't that bad either. Some of the small towns a little ways away from here are full of the power tripping cops though, always a fun time with them. I have seen my dad get in a cops ass HARD when they were doing something wrong and unlike me he loves the police. I just never grew up around people that blindly did whatever a cop wanted and it's hard for me to imagine people so against people standing up for their rights.

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kane

So I have to ask, what is it that you are doing in your life that has led to at least 10 encounters with the police?

In my life I have been pulled over by the police six times. Once for speeding. Twice for driving without a seat belt. Once for expired tags. Once for no brake lights and once for running a red light. Most people I know have had very limited interaction with the police. What is it that you are doing that draws them to you?

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stocktrader23

Does it matter? No, it really doesn't. If you weren't trying to discredit me as some evil lawbreaker I might answer you but nothing you've said here leads me to believe that you are trying to do anything else.

The fact that you have only interacted with the police 6 times in your life leads me to believe that you

a) Are white.

b) Drive a nice car.

c) Live and drive in a decent area.

I am white and I have to put up with stupid shit from cops, minorities have had it much worse for a long time and only in the last 10 years (around here) have they started standing up for themselves more. 6 interactions with cops in your life means you have no clue why people are pissed off at them even though there are thousands of videos online that might give you an idea.

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Well...like it or not...it has been PRETTY MUCH this way for your life time.

Note...pretty much...and small town cops usually were and are much more forgiving than big city cops.

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I have been pulled over three times in my lifetime. Twice for speeding and once for a tail light being out...which I was not aware of. No problems at all on any of the stops. The cops were professional and I did not have an attitude. I have known about a dozen cops quite well in my life time...as most were former school mates of mine and one thing I learned from them is that after a few years on the force they became to view it as "them and us". After a few years of dealing with assholes...and scum they became jaded.

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I'm not trying to discredit you, just trying to find out why. In my life I have found that most people who have trouble with the cops tend to invite that trouble and I was just curious why you have had so many interactions with them.

To answer your assumptions.

A. I am white.

B. I have two cars. I have a 1996 Ford Escort that isn't anything fancy, but I have had it for a while and it runs great. It is my winter car because it handles great in crappy weather. About 2 years ago we had a major snow storm and a carport collapsed on it. There was enough damage to total it so I bought it back as salvage and still drive it. Now it kind of looks like a mope car because it has a few dents and some scratches in the paint and I never wash it. My other car is a 1967 Mustang convertible. I don't drive it during the winter because it doesn't handle well in the crappy weather and it wasn't made for cold weather so you freeze your ass off. I will admit, it is a sharp looking car and there is nothing I like more on a sunny day than to put the top down, crank up the Springsteen and go for a drive. Of the six times I have been pulled over three of them were in the Escort (twice since it was totaled) and the other three were earlier cars I had that weren't that great.I'm 40 years old and have had a few nice cars in my life, but mostly average cars. The only time I have ever had any communication with the cops when I am driving the Mustang is to complement me on it or ask something about it. IE the other day in a parking lot I was parked to go into a store and a couple of cops asked if the car was a 6cyl, a 289 or if it had the 390 motor. They had a bet. Mine has the Code K 289.

C. I live in a very small town now where I know all the cops by name and vice verse. I grew up in a small town, but moved out of it when I was 18. The only cop in that town I knew by name was the one everyone said was a dick, but I never met him myself. I have lived in nice areas. I have lived way out in the country in the middle of nowhere and I have lived in downtown Los Angeles. I have also lived in some shitty places. I lived in an apartment complex for a while that was so bad the cops were there at least 3 times per week and I saw two of my neighbors have brawls with the cops because they were drunk and being stupid. So I think I have a decent variety of places where I have lived.

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Worked with King Music down in Miami for the early 1980's, then K&Marz productions became my agents in 1983 through 1987, in 1988 I signed with Showtime Entertainment (not the cable channel) and later signed with CMC Productions when they took over Showtime. Then Fantasma Productions was my agent as well as Omni Entertainment.

Basically we played every rock club from Key West to Detroit, from Charleston to Memphis

The music was mostly the popular heavy music of the time. In 1979 we were playing a lot of Van Halen and Stones and Zep. In the early 80's we played a shitload of "hair band" stuff. In the early 90's it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Metallica stuff.

Now...I still play every once in a while. Mostly classic rock stuff that I like to play. Our next gig is Nov. 25th here in Vegas
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