kane

So basically you just pulled the number out your ass. Typical.

PiracyPitbull

Meaning, that some companies are profiting where they should be unable to.

Legitimate talent would be able to thrive on the net anyway. Who would have an issue with musicians that compose and arrange original pieces ?







Buying a movie isn't expensive. $20 for a movie - a Movie that if you don't like you can turn around and sell online for almost the full value.

I buy movies online all the time, new and pre-owned - and if I don't like it - I just sell it and re-coup most of the cost. You can even swap it for another for nothing.

There really is no excuse.

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Frank21

i find 20 dollars a ripoff, i download a movie everyday and at least 1 documentary without any brainwash comercials in between and i love it.
No way i will ever pay a dime to those bastards who bring out all this globalist crap again.
Good keep buying and spending your money and pay for old fashin dvds or are you still using vhs videos......?
In 5 minutes i download a nice 80s horror movie and if i dont like it i delete it and download an other one.

90s are over man deal with it.

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kane

I assume you are not paying for these movies correct?

If not, do you feel that those who put their time, effort and money into making them are not worthy of being rewarded for their efforts?

jimmycooper

Wow. Cant believe this thread is still going. It's like a bunch of idiots stuck in a round room trying to find a corner in piss in..

Which reminds me of this...

Not sure if you recall this or not Cherry, but here's a post of mine (dated 4/16) from that long thread centered around that issue that had lots of back and forth between you and AmeliaG. Not posting the link but I'm sure you know how to find it.

Thanks for the thread. I don't know why I keep forgetting to add more Cinema Erotique content to my sites seeing as how well it converts. Rather than sitting around bitching and trying to figure out where the industry has gone wrong, playing the blame game and what not, Cherry went out and applied an emerging technology to an industry that is in need of something new and is still getting way too much credit as an innovator because it embraced the VCR nearly 30 years ago. Nice work, Cherry.

Amelia - You also have hot content and seem pretty cool. It's a shame you guys can't get along.

As far as the actively misrepresenting oneself as a female thing goes, I don't know or care if it's true and it's not my business. Plenty of people misrepresent themselves as being intelligent, cool, or wealthy, so what's the fucking difference? I personally knew that Cherry was a guy soon after learning about CE and doing a little research (not on whois) simply because I appreciated the quality of his work and was personally curious. However, I do recall seeing something about him being a female on a semi-mainstream site that has given me a few shout-outs. That does kind of bother me. Especially if the writer was misled in any way. The website is www.t---n------.com. Cherry, that would be great if you could email her and correct the mistake. Thanks.

Well, turns out that she had something along the lines of 'hot erotica by a female director' right underneath a Cinema Erotique banner. I didn't want to have to say anything, but I couldn't just sit there knowing that a piece of inaccurate information as such was on her site, so after hoping that I'd forget about it and giving you nearly 3 months to remedy the situation, I ended up telling her in July. Unless I missed it, it looks like she didn't end up publishing an interview with you, which is good b/c I really do think you do great work and wouldn't want to see you get any negative publicity. I can also see why you went for that target market and especially that site given her 'opinion leader' status and whatnot. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that while I am sorry if my 'outing' of the fact you're a guy caused you any bad publicity or a drop in sales, I gave you plenty of time to fix the situation and I really had no choice b/c I don't like it when people lie to my friends. That's it.

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Paul Markham

So I assume you will be happy to be redundant, as selling domain names will become pointless as I can pirate them and the fetish site will have it's content shared everywhere.

You talk a lot of twaddle. Go stand outside the offices of Microsoft and try to convince the people who work there they should lose their jobs.

One person doesn't make billions of dollars for one movie. 1,000s of people make money from that one movie. Go peddle your shit to them.

Amazing someone running a business is anti people making money from that business. Frank will now be selling his prime domains for $5 a year and will be stopping any affiliate earning a decent amount. Because it's wrong to make lots of money from your work.

That are he's a hypocrite who has one rule to justify his stealing and breaks it to make a living.

And Frank that's where your entire theory falls to the ground. You don't observe your own rules that you think others should. What will you do if I log into your sites, set up similar sites myself and sell the memberships. Because you are making too much money from them?

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DamianJ

How can you pirate a domain name?


They seem to be doing just fine despite the horrendous piracy they suffer:

Microsoft reported its net income surged 23 per cent to dollar 23.15 billion on record high revenue of dollar 69.94 billion in the fiscal year that ended June 30.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/22/micro...d-revenue.html

DamianJ

No idea what that means

More amusing is people like you, having not read the bill, not understanding it and thinking it is good without being able to explain why.

Go on Paul, or anyone, try and finish this sentence:

"I think giving the MPAA and RIAA the ability to remove websites they don't like without due process is good because..."

The bill won't get passed. Wanna make a bet on it? And it is PRECISELY because of people protesting it. Bless you.

DWB

That may be, but they send teams of anti-piracy guys all over the world (working with the local police) to crack down on foreign nations selling their pirated software. I've seen them literally shut an entire shopping mall down before in Bangkok. So they do care about the issue, which means it does cost them money. They are just lucky enough to make much more than they are losing. Though, I wonder how much they spend sending these guys all over, and if it is really worth it.

DamianJ

Where did anyone suggest otherwise?

This thread has enough straw men to feed a farm for years!

DWB

Curious, how old are you?

I'm not asking in a negative way, I ask because I wonder if you are part of a younger generation who has grown up online and believe most things should be free. Most everyone I know who is a little older, still have no problems paying the asking price for any type of entertainment.

Myself, I still buy DVDs, as that is the norm where I live. I can pick up a DVD anywhere from $3 - $10, based on how old/new it is. I think that is a very fair price.

Paul Markham

So can you tell me the level that a company can reach, so piracy of their product is legal?

Maybe if they got rid of piracy they would make even more, employ more people, pay them better, build more offices in the US, employ more marketing people who have a clue.

No they make enough money, so a few parasites sucking off them is fine.

People tapping away on a keyboard at home to earn a few bucks have no concept of real business.
We in our small way did. Even with as few as 8 people working for s and offices, studio, models, equipment, etc to be paid for we realised that revenue was immediately spent again. We invested money long before we saw a return on it.

We had to pay all the expenses of production long before the money started to flow back in. Often it would be 6 months before we covered costs, sometimes longer.

Sitting in your living room spending little and banking what ever you earn is great. Yet gives you a warped view of business. Today I'm in the boat of those sitting at home and what comes in goes into the bank. Still remember what real business is about tough.

DWB posted your twaddle and it has to be shown that your grasp on reality of business is from your living room. In your rented flat.

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Jel

There are maybe what, 3 people in this thread who say the actual Bill is a good idea?

Here's one for you

"I think doing nothing about piracy is a good idea because..."

Every single adult affiliate on this board has lost money due to piracy, and some have gone out of business because of it. If the free for all continues, a hell of a lot more people will go out of business thanks to it.

Jel

You give the anti-piracy brigade a bad name, so why don't you just fuck off

Cherry7

I am one person who posts here.

Cinema Erotique is NOT one person.

Or sort of films cannot be made by one person.

We all work in other mainstream jobs and did not want to use our real names.

The majority of people working on Cinema Erotique are woman but ist changes.

We decided that Cinema Erotique would be run by Cherry Chapman. A fictional person.

A lot of affiliates write what they think on their sites WITHOUT ever asking us. We assume if it is important to them they would ask.

On a board where most people do NOT use there real names this is a problem ?????

I know 2 people for real on this board, the rest i don't know shit, sex, age, country, race...

So either we should all use our real names or we should respect peoples personal choices.


I am surprised ad Damian for raising this again, as he is a talented Magician and his association with porn could also cause him problems. If for example he was doing children's shows and someone Goggles his name.

That is why we respect models and never use their real names.

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gideongallery

you might want to check what the base is for the stats

for example your i know that the numbers for this section came from record company sales

it completely ignores all the artist who are kickstartering their careers to give away their music on p2p

when you add those numbers in new artist are actually growing

so basically the scum bag record companies who take 90% force the artist to pay the entire produce cost out of their 10% are losing record sales

the fans are getting their music for free

the uber fans pay big money to get the new album released

and

the artist get bigger signing bonus then what they would get from the scum bag record companies.

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gideongallery

why do you have a problem with create derivative work




or



both represent enough of a difference that any sales they generate would not be infringing

a fan who prefers the clean acapella version would buy the over produced chris brown version anyway

i know that true because i am exactly that type of fan

at it core this is a first amendment issue

allow the original song writer to prevent covers is censoring the commentary "check out my unique version of chris browns forever"

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Dirty F

When would an artist make more. If his album would be available for free on the filesharing networks or if it wouldn't be available for free?

Cherry7

I do not defend the record companies or Hollywood movie studios BUT the structures which they control are the ones that produce great films and music.

The Socialist and government financed Film studios also produced high quality high investment films and culture. Using similar structure of employing lots of highly skilled people.

I want to see those structures continue to be financed, under different control, or in a different way. But I think they have to continue.

This is what the studio system produced with primitive 4 track recording.



I am interested has an artist in their bedroom with the much more advanced recording software produced something of equal merit ?

Please post.

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gideongallery

there are 543 (and growing) revenue generating methods you can use to turn those piracy sources into the biggest revenue streams ever.

the fact is every pornstar should be looking at the independent muscians and say holy shit i am just like them., i can do that too

the paysites making mad cash from porn scene they paid me a chinsy $1000 for is just like the screw job the record companies do to those artists.

if i copied the process of the independent artist i could easily double or triple my take home pay.

hell since i know this shit cold because i have done it for such muscians any pornstar who wants to do it as a test hit me up.

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gideongallery

you do realize that most artist never repay their signing bonus right (which includes the production cost of the album and min living expenses)

97.65% of artist never sell enough collect royalties from sales because the record company has to be paid back.


so you get 104,788

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ef=most-funded

for something that the record companies offer you 20k for

even if you have 100% piracy rate from that point on your going to make way more money then you would with a record deal.

and let be clear that never happens because there will always be fans who will support the artist

i bought sonos mp3 even though i could get it for free because i want to support creative versions of old songs.

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vs

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Dirty F

Can you just answer me please?

When would an artist make more. If his album would be available for free on the filesharing networks or if it wouldn't be available for free?

Cherry7

This levels of finance are for amateur productions.

Could you make a film like "The Godfather" ? or "Fight Club" ?

And why should the rich Joe Public decide what gets made? What the Fuck do these people know about what should be funded?

Why does the sexy girl get funded and not this?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...y=1&ref=search

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Jel

I'm lost so clue me in. If I'm a pornstar, I give away everything I've ever done for free, in order to sell something else, is that right?

As an affiliate, I generate revenue by stealing someone's entire work, and sell someone else's work, is that right?

Spell out in plain English how piracy is a good thing, and in fact generates more income? Because all I've seen so far is some numbers saying the music indusrty's income has risen year on year, which when you factor in the growth in the population, and the growth in the amount of musicians, isn't because of piracy, it's in spite of it. What would those numbers be without piracy, higher or lower? You have your head stuck up your arse if you think less piracy would mean those numbers would be lower, so yes, piracy HAS affected music industry profits.

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Microsoft don't see an increase in profits because of piracy, they see an increase in spite of it. How the fuck is 'microsoft seem to be doing ok' any kind of an argument for leaving piracy be?

kane

I can tell you.

The answer is: it all depends.

Take for example Gideon's kickstart artist. They get $120K from people to put out their album. Meanwhile another artist signs with a major label and gets a $20K advance. The major label artist will have to pay all the money back that is spent on promoting them/their album before they will ever see any royalties so most artists never see traditional royalties from record sales (at least those with big marketing campaigns).

So Kickstart Artists spends $20K of that $120K recording their album,then they give it away for free. They get some nice downloads and start to develop a fan base. They then get to pocket the other $100k plus whatever they are making at their live shows which likely won't be much.

Major Label Artists ends up having $2million dollars worth of production and promotion put behind their album. They sell 2 million copies of that album, but still don't make enough to pay back the studio. However, they score a top 10 hit single so they are making some great money off of performance royalties from radio stations. They might license the music (if they own the publishing) and make more. Where they will score big is touring. A record that sells like that will have them playing a summer festival circuit followed by a ton of holiday large scale shows where they play radio station concerts, music festivals etc. By the spring they will have likely opened for a larger act and are now headlining their own tour and playing in front of 1,000 -2,000 people every night.

If that is the case then the major label artists wins by a mile. The kickstart person made $100K and played for 30 people each night for beer money while the major label artist made millions on the road, but it still in debt to the record company because their record royalties don't cover costs.

All that said, if the major label artist has their album come out and it crashes, burns and fails big, then the kickstart person made more because likely the major label artist will only ever see the $20K advance and little or nothing more.

jimmycooper

I never said I took issue with your decision to use an alias and in most cases I could care less about your decision to use a sexually ambiguous name as your alias. When considering that your work is more likely to appeal to females than it is to meat and potatoes, flyover state american males, I actually think your decision to do so is a good marketing move. The problem is that the site in question is not just a typical affiliate model type site. It's an exceptionally well written information based site written by someone who clearly aims to provide wholly accurate information to her readers. I mean, how else would her bio include the following nuggets?

XXXXX is:

• a Forbes Web Celeb
• one of Wired's Faces of Innovation
• regarded as the foremost expert in the field of sex and technology
• a pundit in mainstream media such as Forbes and The Oprah Winfrey Show
• Regularly interviewed, quoted and featured prominently by major media outlets from ABC News to the Wall Street Journal
• A published feature writer and columnist
• Has many award-winning, best selling books
• headlines at conferences ranging from ETech, LeWeb and SXSW: Interactive, to Google Tech Talks
• Named by The London Times as one of the 40 bloggers who really matter

Anyway, whether or not you were or are intending to deceive anyone by going by Cherry is really aside from the point, though, simply because of the fact that I told you to fix the problem and you didn't fix the problem and if I tell someone to do something I expect it to be done. Period.

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Pay you a thousand dollars ? ? ?

You gotta be fucking kidding

The day I believe that any program would be so stupid as to do something like that will be the same day that I believe Mr Frisky has real employees.

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Frank21

I hope they are all getting rich of their work just not from my money. Sure people can profit from their work it is just my opinion that if you sold you rmovie or music to millions of people at some point it is not private property anymore. If they sell this movie on 1 site where you need a membership for and it is not sold anywhere else. Sure they can charge as much as they want.

But i find it ridiculous that if i listen to a tv or music and my webcm is online for a few people i have to pay thousends of dollars.

Last year i got a bill of this insane control freaks to pay money everyday to them because i am a truckdriver and they assumed i would listen to the radio. Therefore i am broadcasting their crap on a workplace and have to pay tens of dollars daily.

To me thats insanity and no i do not feel guily if i do not pay for somehign that has been paid for long ago.

All i consume is a copy of a digital media, i do not want the DVD especialy not if i am not even allowed to watch it with someone else or be jailed or loose my internet "privilage" because i watch it while my cam is online.
Sure i am willing to pay for the bandwith and throw in an other 50 cents for every movie that came out the past 12 months.

But if your media has been broadcast or sold to millions of people i do not feel that they own that content anymore thats just my 2 cent tho.

And the Microsoft example is a good one indeed if they sell their monopolic products for half the price they still make a record profit!
They are the ones sc4rewing me over and over again dont try to make me feel guilty because they are 10 times worse as me.

If my vids have been sold millions of times i do not have a problem finding them on tubes i can asure you that. And the models wich are featured in my films have been paid while ago man.

It is not like the hundreds of people in movies still get money decades after they made a movie, they made their wages and had a good time.

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Frank21

Sure i am from the internet generation. And i do not want to "own" a DVD i am not alowed to watch with anyone else i just want to watch it. And i think 50 cent for a just new released movie is a fair price and 20 cent for older movies.

The global economy and internet is a huge chance for them but of they are still so delosional that they want to charge super-economic prices for theyr unoriginal movies then they are just inciting work arounds.
If they charge a lot less and asure you they are not creating a life-time database of all movies you have been watching sure then people will pay for it.


But movies and especialy porn is not as special as a decade anymore, my phone can make better movies and pictures as you 25 000 dollar professional camera a decade ago.
70% of the internet users have a nude picture online while a decade ago it was still realy special. Almost everyone can make a website or a blog these days unline a decade ago.
Making movies is nothing special anymore either.

10 years ago this was all special and worth paying for but the times have changed and thinking those glory days will come back is insane.

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gideongallery

i took your made up ratio of 1:10000 and multiplied with real numbers and your complaining that i am pulling numbers out of my ass


i used your numbers because they were insanely in your favor and no where close to the real numbers

you don't want me to use the real numbers


http://techland.time.com/2011/02/17/...s-84000-sites/


the similar any piracy one took down 20k innocent site owners for 147 guilty

when chilling effect started collecting stats of all dmca for youtube more then 72% were bogus

that number has dropped to a little over 36% now that they reported, and since eff funded the lenz vs universal case

but that still 1/3


you might not want to complain about your own made up numbers buddy it only make you look really fucking bad

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gideongallery

first of all those royalty streams like radio play and album sales licensing the music are all covered in the payback scheme of a standard record contract, so NONE OF THOSE REVENUE EXIST UNTIL AFTER YOU PAY BACK COSTS

second of all with vertical integration record companies will "licence" artist songs for free for feature with in their TV shows etc as promotion (what sick is they used to CHARGE for that)

third promotion cost are over inflated for example, a guy screening your emails and answering them in your voice may be paid $10/hour but when it charged to band it charged at an average for an employee of the company (including the CEO being paid 5-10 million a year) so you get charged $60-70/hour for that shit.

fourth recording albums are staggered in development. while the entire album is recorded only a single is fully produced, and marketed. If that falls flat the album is locked in a vault never to see the light of day.

you keep accusing me of pulling number out of my ass
tell you what why don't you find one artist who performed in one 25,000 person stadium and not paid back the production cost of their album

the situation your talking about hasn't happened yet, the guys who made it big enough to do those massive tours are all the extreme rare success stories who actually covered cost

most artist how don't cover cost find their album locked in a vault and find they are legally prohibited from performing their shit live because they no longer own the copyright

this kind of bullshit pipe dream the worst thing you can do to an artist because you make them believe that the screw job they are getting is some how fair




google street corner symphony and read a little about the shit the lead singer went thru with his record deal.

the guys solo career was killed because the record company didn't want to release the album

he had to create a band, go on the sing off, and he still prevented from using that success to sell his own solo shit for another 2 years.


he is just fucking luck he wasn't in a band first because then he would have been totally screwed.

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Jel

You total and utter cunt

gideongallery

seriously moron did you not pass grade three english

how do you not understand pronoun I and me referes to in that sentence

why would you ignore the defined noun in the sentence and be so stupid as to refer to a completely external context.

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DamianJ

history has shown us that it is a waste of time money and resource and achieves nothing.

That time money and resource would be better spent making a better product.

Next.

DamianJ

a) I didn't 'raise it' again. I just called you by your name. As it is on your whois, and everyone knows I didn't think it was an issue. Sorry.

b) I have never done children's parties. Thanks so much for your concern though.

c) Why do you think the bill is a good idea?

DamianJ

Do you still think that teachers need a will of iron not to fuck 15 year olds in their class?

Or was that a "joke"

LOL!

Why do your friends think you being a teacher would be a bad idea?

LOL!

pornmasta

censorship

kane

Buy a a book called "So you want to be a rock star." It is a great story of an unknown band getting signed and getting some hit songs. You might learn something.

Second, learn the simple reality that every record contract is different. A band like Aerosmith signed a 4 album $40 million dollar deal. They get $10 million in advance money per album. At that level they would need to sell around 10 million copies of the album just to make their advance back never mind the costs of production and promotion. Yet they go on tour and make millions. The reason they sign the big deal is that they know they can't sell that many records so they want to get as much money up front as possible then cash in on tour. But, of course, you have read every single contract for ever single act ever signed and know every detail of those contracts so I'm sure you will explain how I am wrong. Another example is Rihanna. Right now she is one of the biggest acts in the world and she recently fired a bunch of people and sicked lawyers on her label because she found out even after selling all these albums and concert tickets and ringtones etc that she has made only around $20,000 in royalties. . . yet somehow she just bought an 8 million dollar house. But shouldn't all of that money gone to the label? Please Gideon, you know ever contract. How did that happen?

The simple fact is this: If you want to be a worldwide megastar the only way to do that is through the major label system. There has not been one act that did it on their own without the help of a major label's money and influence. I'm not saying they don't get fucked over and ripped off, but you take the good with the bad. If you want to go it alone and try to make some money, good luck with that maybe you will, maybe you won't.

kane

I used a random number as an example of why they wouldn't take the risk to continue to fight piracy. You then divided it by the population number and claimed it was fact that this many people would be fucked over and that many businesses would be destroyed. You apparently assume every single person on the planet is guilty of copyright violation under this new bill.

That is why I said you pulled the number out your ass. It is what you do Gideon. You pull numbers and "facts" out of your ass, present them as real and then when you can't back it up you change the subject just like you did here. This article is about child porn, not copyright violation so I'm not even going to bother reading it.

gideongallery

you realize that 20k after paying back all expenses right

you can't understand how her massive advance paid for the house then you really are stupid

regardless

that doesn't meet your made up example



two simple conditions

1. don't cover advance and production cost
2. go from rinky dink to playing just 1 25k stadium.

go

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gideongallery

you really need to learn how to read
seriously man i never said that was the number of people who would be screwed over

i just defined that even with your insanely inaccurate ratio you still talking about a shit load of damage

that statement is 100% true, based on your ratios that the number of people your predicting will get screwed over if this law is enacted.

personally i believe it way higher than that.



what exactly about the statement

do you not understand.

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bronco67

So you think movies are made from thin air, with no costs involved? Why do you feel entitled to get your entertainment for free? Because you are a self entitled little shit that only consumes, and never creates. That's exactly why. Tell me how I'm wrong about that, I'm sure you'll come off looking like a genius.

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kane

This is vintage Gideon. You made a dumb statement and now you are trying to talk circles to get out of it.

I simply used the example of one wrong lawsuit in 10,000 as a number I chose to show the risk.

You quoted yourself that with my math I predicted 684,050 would be totally destroyed.

When Porno Jew said he agreed with you your response was "simple math using his numbers

really impossible to disagree with a statement of fact."


I asked how you came up with that fact and your response was : "divide the population by 10k
divide the number of companies by 10k

1 innocent person per 10,000 (9,999 guilty, 1 innocent)"

So you simply took my 1 in 10000 and multiplied it by the total number of people on the planet to pull a big number out of your ass. You are assuming every single person on the planet will be charged with copyright violation under this new law. You said it. Not me. Now you are trying to back out of it.

Also you claim "the similar anti-piracy one took down 20K innocent sites and only 147 were found guilty." Yet you have no link and no proof so I am gong to assume that just like the numbers above you pulled them out of your ass and are wrongly representing them as fact.

I'm done with you. I've wasted too much time already.

Cherry7

This is the WHOIS info

Cinema Erotique
Cherry Chapman ([email protected])
Ul Zacisze 6/10 m56
Lodz
Lodz,00-564
PL
Tel. +48.2078028791

b) sorry, I thought you might as kids would love it.


c) the problem was the bill passed by Bill Clinton that gave "safe harbor" to the internet companies to host IT that was not theirs. This now has to be un done or a new model found for financing the creative media.

As I understand the bill you refer to has no chance of passing and I would probably agree with you on problems with it.

I am depressed though that you don't seem to understand the investment, time, people and expertise that go into making mainstream culture.

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gideongallery

1. internet population not world population as you may have heard if facebook was a country it would be the third biggest country in the world

http://www.onlinemarketing-trends.co...fographic.html

add in youtube/twitter etc and you get the point


2. you didn't say charged under the law, you include settled too, which i assume included people who sent a notice back and have the case dropped, or internal investigation determined was not valid and dropped voluntarily both of which are legally definitions included in the term settled.



3. interesting how you need me to post proof for my statement

yet produce 1 single example of an newly signed artist who
a) didn't pay back the advance/production
b) still successfully toured the country with at least 1 -25k appearance.

still waiting.

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kane

I'm done debating the numbers game with you. You used my 10,000 example and divided it by world population and now you are trying to deny it. Anyone with a 5th grade education can see that.

As for your example.

I will give you 4 that I know of off the top of my head.

1. Everclear. I happen to know the singer and founder of the band. Their record deal was so bad that after their second album they declared bankruptcy in order to renegotiate their deal. The label was charging them for so many bullshit items under the heading of "Misc and other expenses" that they could never get out of debt. He told me personally the only way they made money off those first two albums was to tour. At the height of their fame they were playing 15-25K venues and they made some nice cash from it.

2. TLC. Almost same deal as above. They had a shitty deal and a lot of expenses so they made nothing off record sales, yet in a rolling stone article they mentioned how they were going to launch a large scale world tour before the next album so that they could make some money since they get nothing from the label and still owe the label money.

3. POD. I know a guy who was once the program director for a local rock radio station. Every year they put on a big summer concert. This particular year POD had a big album out. They ended up paying the band $600,000 to headline their show of around 40,000 people. It was tough to book them because they were doing heavy promotion for the record, but they told the program director that they love gigs like this because it is money they get, not the record company.

4.Scott Wyland/ Stone Temple Pilots. He was on Howard Stern a little while back talking about touring with the band again. He told Howard that he personally is broke because of all of his drug problems so he has to tour to make money. He explained how the band is actually still in debt to the record label so when someone buys an album they don't see a dime and the only way he can make money is on the road,but it is hard to do because the other members of the band saved their money from their previous world tours and don't need to tour now, but they do it to help Scott.

I'm sure there are more.

PiracyPitbull

I don't have a problem with "approved or sample cleared" music.

And there's nothing in the proposed Act which says that you cannot apply for the required clearances from the copyright owner if you wish to use their creation for cover or sample purposes.

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gideongallery

ah i see so your fudging the number to include music video production in the total cost of producing the RECORD.

the scum bag is strong in you my friend

all the kickstarter campaigns are just for the RECORD deal.

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