Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) has the internet pirates squirming and sweating! - GoFuckYourself.com

Redrob · 10-31-2011, 02:41 PM

SOPA looks like it will shutdown both domestic (inside USA) and foreign (by blocking) sites where the business model is streaming or file transferring stolen content.

Shut them all down!! Fucking thieves........

Go Fuck Yourself!

Link to Bill

Phoenix · 10-31-2011, 02:53 PM

any tube sites want to get a start and stream legal content.

im here and ready

RycEric · 10-31-2011, 02:55 PM

Thanks for this

JosephFM · 10-31-2011, 02:56 PM

Bookmarked!

Klen · 10-31-2011, 02:58 PM

Nice,can you donate for cause?

vsex · 10-31-2011, 03:06 PM

a long way to go, but here's to it going thru!

Frank21 · 10-31-2011, 03:09 PM

Yes funny no more internet freedom.
And if you had read the whole bill you would know that will be used against you too by sueing you for the music you have in some of your vids.
1 song in 1 vid is enough to shut down your whole website.

epitome · 10-31-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank21

Yes funny no more internet freedom.
And if you had read the whole bill you would know that will be used against you too by sueing you for the music you have in some of your vids.
1 song in 1 vid is enough to shut down your whole website.

What's wrong with that? We bitch about stealing porn but stealing music is OK?

BTW contrary to what people think, a website won't be shut down over one thing. You know exactly what this is aimed at.

Google "bad teacher streaming" if you need an example.

Frank21 · 10-31-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

What's wrong with that? We bitch about stealing porn but stealing music is OK?

BTW contrary to what people think, a website won't be shut down over one thing. You know exactly what this is aimed at.

No they start with your website. If you do it again you loose your "privilage" to access the internet.

Contrary to what you believe this bill will not be used to catch only the big guys who actualy make money with stealing stuff. But will be used against people like you and me.
I dont think it is stealing music if they force it dwn your throath on radio comercials and stuff like that.
And yes i did throw away my tv and radio cause i do not even want to listen their music.
But i do not think their crap can be a reason to shut down websites and youtube accounts.

Caligari · 10-31-2011, 03:40 PM

Sounds good, i noticed it has been referred but not signed by committee yet, wonder how long this will take to get into obama's hands to sign it...

porno jew · 10-31-2011, 03:46 PM

i could care less if the media and entertainment industries died anyway. they waste the world's time.

Failed · 10-31-2011, 03:49 PM

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The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee

Support For Bill: 3%
Against Bill: 97%

SmokeyTheBear · 10-31-2011, 03:58 PM

as long as youtube is around there will be copycats

Why · 10-31-2011, 06:14 PM

seems like a terrible idea to me.

Nautilus · 10-31-2011, 06:18 PM

Fantastic news, thanks for posting. Link bookmarked.

I'm a bit confused though. What about previous PROTECT IP/E-PARASITES acts? This new SOPA bill seems to implement ideas from both, does that mean those two were cancelled?

I like the wording of this bill as it is very detailed and pretty much to the point, unlike that vague DMCA law that all thieves love so much.

Redrob · 10-31-2011, 07:32 PM

I have concerns that the law (SOPA) could be overreaching in restricting "fair use." However, in the USA, we have a long tradition (stare decisis) concerning fair use, parody, and other legitimate uses of copyrighted content.

Personally, I think the world was just fine before some giant media companies put a legitimate and popular face on blatant piracy. And, at this point, I can't say that I think a raging, uncontrolled Internet that steals everything that has been digitized for mass distribution is a good thing. Because their business models are built on the redistribution of other people's IP content, I'm sure some of the big players are walking the halls of Congress with bags of money, teams of lobbyists, and reams of emails based of fear tactics that this legislation will kill the internet.

As webmasters, both you and I know this isn't so.

It kinda reminds me of the Wild, Wild West with bank robbers (pirates), a new sheriff in town (SOPA), and a general population that just wants to get along.

I always thought the intention was to make the internet a tool for the betterment of mankind, not a safe haven for thieves and malcontents. The days of the Wild, Wild West of the Internet are coming to an end, hopefully. The time has come for the robbers to end their reign of terror. I hope whatever replaces the current situation is respectful of peoples property rights and privacy rights; but, the current situation is unsustainable in my eyes.

Just my opinion.

Failed · 10-31-2011, 07:34 PM

If this bill passes. What happens to youtube that is probably the biggest host of pirated content on the internet?

L-Pink · 10-31-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Failed

If this bill passes. What happens to youtube that is probably the biggest host of pirated content on the internet?

Who cares. Adapt or die.

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tony286 · 10-31-2011, 07:53 PM

Youtube is starting have content created like cable and tv does. They read the writing on the wall.

Nautilus · 10-31-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Failed

If this bill passes. What happens to youtube that is probably the biggest host of pirated content on the internet?

Who cares. Whether they'll find their place in new SOPA world or not, doesn't matter to me. Youtube is fun at times, but it's not youtube who's putting food on my table.

Or maybe they'll ask you to sign a paper contract now before allowing you to have an account and uploading your dog riding a scateboard video. OMG what a horrible oppression of freedoms, to make sure they have your real name and address on file that can be handed over to copyright holders in case you steal their stuff.

Captain Kawaii · 10-31-2011, 09:42 PM

Time for the crooks to go back to selling guns and drugs...

SOPA, will surely be watered down but at least most thieves will get their nads handed to them.

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank21

Yes funny no more internet freedom.
And if you had read the whole bill you would know that will be used against you too by sueing you for the music you have in some of your vids.
1 song in 1 vid is enough to shut down your whole website.

And Internet freedom has resulted in what?

Piracy.
So much porn I have to be careful what my daughter is doing online.
Sites that preach hatred.
Libel.
Phishing.
Scammers and thieves.
Hackers.

If you have illegal music on a video, you deserve to be sued.

Whether this one passes or not, the Days of "Internet Freedom" to do as you please and any of the above will come to an end. Governments are losing billions to it at a time they can't afford to.

Governments = You and me. Taxpayers.

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 04:39 AM

As promised, here’s the first installment of our closer review of the massive piece of job-killing Internet regulation that is the Stop Online Piracy Act. We’ll start with how it could impact Twitter, Tumblr, and the next innovative social network, cloud computing, or web hosting service that some smart kid is designing in her garage right now.

Let’s make one thing clear from the get-go: despite all the talk about this bill being directed only toward “rogue” foreign sites, there is no question that it targets US companies as well. The bill sets up a system to punish sites allegedly “dedicated to the theft of US property.” How do you get that label? Doesn’t take much: Some portion of your site (even a single page) must

be directed toward the US, and either
allegedly “engage in, enable or facilitate” infringement or
allegedly be taking or have taken steps to “avoid confirming a high probability” of infringement.
If an IP rightsholder (vaguely defined – could be Justin Bieber worried about his publicity rights) thinks you meet the criteria and that it is in some way harmed, it can send a notice claiming as much to the payment processors (Visa, Mastercard, Paypal etc.) and ad services you rely on.

Once they get it, they have 5 days to choke off your financial support. Of course, the payment processors and ad networks won’t be able to fine-tune their response so that only the allegedly infringing portion of your site is affected, which means your whole site will be under assault. And, it makes no difference that no judge has found you guilty of anything or that the DMCA safe harbors would shelter your conduct if the matter ever went to court. Indeed, services that have been specifically found legal, like Rapidshare, could be economically strangled via SOPA. You can file a counter-notice, but you’ve only got 5 days to do it (good luck getting solid legal advice in time) and the payment processors and ad networks have no obligation to respect it in any event. That’s because there are vigilante provisions that grant them immunity for choking off a site if they have a “reasonable belief” that some portion of the site enables infringement.

At a minimum, this means that any service that hosts user generated content is going to be under enormous pressure to actively monitor and filter that content. That’s a huge burden, and worse for services that are just getting started – the YouTubes of tomorrow that are generating jobs today. And no matter what they do, we’re going to see a flurry of notices anyway – as we’ve learned from the DMCA takedown process, content owners are more than happy to send bogus complaints. What happened to Wikileaks via voluntary censorship will now be systematized and streamlined – as long as someone, somewhere, thinks they’ve got an IP right that’s being harmed.

In essence, Hollywood is tired of those pesky laws that help protect innovation, economic growth, and creativity rather than outmoded business models. So they are trying to rewrite the rules, regulate the Internet, and damn the consequences for the rest of us.

Watch this space for more analysis, but don’t wait to act. This bill cannot be fixed; it must be killed. The bill’s sponsors (and their corporate backers) want to push this thing through quickly, before ordinary citizens get wind of the harm it is going to cause. If you don’t want to let big media control the future of innovation and online expression, act now, and urge everyone you know to do the same.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/1...break-internet

Frank21 · 11-01-2011, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

As promised, here?s the first installment of our closer review of the massive piece of job-killing Internet regulation that is the Stop Online Piracy Act. We?ll start with how it could impact Twitter, Tumblr, and the next innovative social network, cloud computing, or web hosting service that some smart kid is designing in her garage right now.

Let?s make one thing clear from the get-go: despite all the talk about this bill being directed only toward ?rogue? foreign sites, there is no question that it targets US companies as well. The bill sets up a system to punish sites allegedly ?dedicated to the theft of US property.? How do you get that label? Doesn?t take much: Some portion of your site (even a single page) must

be directed toward the US, and either
allegedly ?engage in, enable or facilitate? infringement or
allegedly be taking or have taken steps to ?avoid confirming a high probability? of infringement.
If an IP rightsholder (vaguely defined ? could be Justin Bieber worried about his publicity rights) thinks you meet the criteria and that it is in some way harmed, it can send a notice claiming as much to the payment processors (Visa, Mastercard, Paypal etc.) and ad services you rely on.

Once they get it, they have 5 days to choke off your financial support. Of course, the payment processors and ad networks won?t be able to fine-tune their response so that only the allegedly infringing portion of your site is affected, which means your whole site will be under assault. And, it makes no difference that no judge has found you guilty of anything or that the DMCA safe harbors would shelter your conduct if the matter ever went to court. Indeed, services that have been specifically found legal, like Rapidshare, could be economically strangled via SOPA. You can file a counter-notice, but you?ve only got 5 days to do it (good luck getting solid legal advice in time) and the payment processors and ad networks have no obligation to respect it in any event. That?s because there are vigilante provisions that grant them immunity for choking off a site if they have a ?reasonable belief? that some portion of the site enables infringement.

At a minimum, this means that any service that hosts user generated content is going to be under enormous pressure to actively monitor and filter that content. That?s a huge burden, and worse for services that are just getting started ? the YouTubes of tomorrow that are generating jobs today. And no matter what they do, we?re going to see a flurry of notices anyway ? as we?ve learned from the DMCA takedown process, content owners are more than happy to send bogus complaints. What happened to Wikileaks via voluntary censorship will now be systematized and streamlined ? as long as someone, somewhere, thinks they?ve got an IP right that?s being harmed.

In essence, Hollywood is tired of those pesky laws that help protect innovation, economic growth, and creativity rather than outmoded business models. So they are trying to rewrite the rules, regulate the Internet, and damn the consequences for the rest of us.

Watch this space for more analysis, but don?t wait to act. This bill cannot be fixed; it must be killed. The bill?s sponsors (and their corporate backers) want to push this thing through quickly, before ordinary citizens get wind of the harm it is going to cause. If you don?t want to let big media control the future of innovation and online expression, act now, and urge everyone you know to do the same.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/1...break-internet

Just ilke the patriot act wich was supposed to be used against the very most violent terrorists who wanted to whipe whole cities of the face of the earth.
However up to date hundreds of thousends of americans have been put in jail by the patriot act.

Hentaikid · 11-01-2011, 05:27 AM

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that hosts user generated content is going to be under enormous pressure to actively monitor and filter that content. That’s a huge burden,

My heart bleeds for the poor little dears who have to *gasp* suffer the burden of knowing and being responsible for whatever the fuck is on their sites rather than just sit back and let the magic of the internet give them free content.

Not like those nasty people who make their own content, they have the unfair advantage of knowing exactly what goes on their sites. So unfair.

Frank21 · 11-01-2011, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hentaikid

My heart bleeds for the poor little dears who have to *gasp* suffer the burden of knowing and being responsible for whatever the fuck is on their sites rather than just sit back and let the magic of the internet give them free content.

Not like those nasty people who make their own content, they have the unfair advantage of knowing exactly what goes on their sites. So unfair.

So GFY should start reading all posted messages before putting them live on this forum?
In case you embed a image or a thumbnail or even a quote wich is copywrited?

What about emails?
Should they be read by email providers before sending them to the destination email?
In case you are sending links to copywrited materials?

Redrob · 11-01-2011, 05:46 AM

The content thieves will always scream "censorship" and "overkill".

Watch the fear tactics.....SOPA = Patriot Act. (Yeah, if you are a pirate.)

The only jobs on the line are theirs. The rest of us will keep on keeping on. Hosts will keep on hosting, artist will keep on creating, performers will keep on performing. We just won't be masssively ripped off by these thieving assholes.

Just my opinion.

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

The content thieves will always scream "censorship" and "overkill".

Watch the fear tactics.....SOPA = Patriot Act. (Yeah, if you are a pirate.)

The only jobs on the line are theirs. The rest of us will keep on keeping on. Hosts will keep on hosting, artist will keep on creating, performers will keep on performing. We just won't be masssively ripped off by these thieving assholes.

Just my opinion.

The people that have read the act and understand the implications think it's bad. The people that think, for some odd reason, it's going to stop piracy think it's good. I feel the latter haven't really read the act or grasped the implications.

It will never pass anyway, so this is all moot.

Redrob · 11-01-2011, 06:10 AM

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The people that have read the act and understand the implications think it's bad. The people that think, for some odd reason, it's going to stop piracy think it's good. I feel the latter haven't really read the act or grasped the implications

I disagree with you. Many WHO HAVE READ THE ACT AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS are TOTALLY in support of the act. Most who oppose the act have been fed a line of bullshit from paranoids and pirates that Johnny Law is going to take their free music and porn away.

The truth is they were never entitled to the "free" content in the first place. In general, the public just doesn't get the concept that "free" in many cases equates to "pirated".

Like a baby with their candy being taken away, I expect many tears to be shed.

Just my opinion.

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

I disagree with you. Many WHO HAVE READ THE ACT AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS are TOTALLY in support of the act. Most who oppose the act have been fed a line of bullshit from paranoids and pirates that Johnny Law is going to take their free music and porn away.

The truth is they were never entitled to the "free" content in the first place. In general, the public just doesn't get the concept that "free" in many cases equates to "pirated".

Like a baby with their candy being taken away, I expect many tears to be shed.

Just my opinion.

So, if you understand the implications, how do you think the internet will be able to carry on. Everything posted on any site will have to be manually approved. Facebook, youtube, every forum, every email, every everything.

How do you see that working? Seriously. Who will pay for it?

It amazes me when pornographers want to give control to the government to censor the internet.

And it amazes me EVEN MORE when they think that this will in ANY WAY impact, slow down or stop piracy. Is there any law that has been passed ever that has slowed it down?

What does slow down piracy, as we can prove with music, is providing a better alternative.

DWB · 11-01-2011, 06:23 AM

Youtube, Twitter, Tumblr, Tubes, Torrents, File Lockers, or whatever else can sleep with the fish as far as I'm concerned.

I don't worry about the gov ruining the adult industry down the road because we'll do a perfectly good job ruining it for them. All they need to do is sit back and let us do what we do best.

Redrob · 11-01-2011, 06:27 AM

The existing laws are very clear about "fair use" of content: time shifting, parodies, quotations, etc.

If you go beyond "fair use" in copying and distributing content, you are already in violation of the laws.

What scares the shit out of the pirates is the loss of the DMCA safe harbor provision that allows them to say "I didn't know" and "It's not my fault" when their entire business model is based on distribution of other peoples intellectual property.

And, yes, you should know what is on your website.

pornguy · 11-01-2011, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Youtube, Twitter, Tumblr, Tubes, Torrents, File Lockers, or whatever else can sleep with the fish as far as I'm concerned.

I don't worry about the gov ruining the adult industry down the road because we'll do a perfectly good job ruining it for them. All they need to do is sit back and let us do what we do best.

We WILL do it for them??

We are already in the process and moving along on that just fine.

pornguy · 11-01-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

The existing laws are very clear about "fair use" of content: time shifting, parodies, quotations, etc.

If you go beyond "fair use" in copying and distributing content, you are already in violation of the laws.

What scares the shit out of the pirates is the loss of the DMCA safe harbor provision that allows them to say "I didn't know" and "It's not my fault" when their entire business model is based on distribution of other peoples intellectual property.

And, yes, you should know what is on your website.

A very simple way to deal with Piracy is to make the Registrars and hosts take care of it. X number of DMCA's and the domain and hosting are suspendid.

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

A very simple way to deal with Piracy is to make the Registrars and hosts take care of it. X number of DMCA's and the domain and hosting are suspendid.

Yeah, good idea. No need for any processes. Just confiscate domains as you see fit. That is going to end well.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/regulatio...child-porn-966

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hentaikid

My heart bleeds for the poor little dears who have to *gasp* suffer the burden of knowing and being responsible for whatever the fuck is on their sites rather than just sit back and let the magic of the internet give them free content.

Not like those nasty people who make their own content, they have the unfair advantage of knowing exactly what goes on their sites. So unfair.

It's easy enough to do. All submissions have to be checked and proven to be legal. Do you think Newspapers, mainstream films, TV, etc take anything and just publish it? Of course not and when something gets past them, they face the consequences. Often very pricey consequence.

Why should online be any different? Because lots of little people earn a few dollars off others hard work work. And we should cry for these parasites.

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Originally Posted by Frank21

So GFY should start reading all posted messages before putting them live on this forum?
In case you embed a image or a thumbnail or even a quote wich is copywrited?

Yes. That was a simple one to answer.

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What about emails?
Should they be read by email providers before sending them to the destination email?
In case you are sending links to copywrited materials?

Want some more straws to grasp? This one is thin.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

The content thieves will always scream "censorship" and "overkill".

Watch the fear tactics.....SOPA = Patriot Act. (Yeah, if you are a pirate.)

The only jobs on the line are theirs. The rest of us will keep on keeping on. Hosts will keep on hosting, artist will keep on creating, performers will keep on performing. We just won't be masssively ripped off by these thieving assholes.

Just my opinion.

Not according to Damian's post. This will cause massive losses of jobs. In Russia maybe.

Damian gives business advice.

Another oxymoron or just a moron?

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Damian gives business advice.

Another oxymoron or just a moron?

Bless you. That's not an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms. i.e. military intelligence.

Welcome back though Paulie. Insults and posting your ignorance about simple linguistics all in one post! Love your work. Amazing how little time you can last actually ignoring me. What are you going to do when I am in Thailand?

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

So, if you understand the implications, how do you think the internet will be able to carry on. Everything posted on any site will have to be manually approved. Facebook, youtube, every forum, every email, every everything.

How do you see that working? Seriously. Who will pay for it?

It amazes me when pornographers want to give control to the government to censor the internet.

And it amazes me EVEN MORE when they think that this will in ANY WAY impact, slow down or stop piracy. Is there any law that has been passed ever that has slowed it down?

What does slow down piracy, as we can prove with music, is providing a better alternative.

I had to open it to read what babble you would be coming up with.

How did the world exist before people were allowed to upload anything to a publishing medium? Very nicely thank you.

Creators got paid the price they asked for their work or people had to steal it in a lot harder ways than they have to now. Musicians, writers, film makers, programmers and even pornographers made lots more money when people couldn't just steal their content and put it up for free distribution to millions.

As for censorship of the Internet. There are few pornographers who wouldn't campaign for it. They would all have a party if it happened. It would mean people would have to pay for porn.

Free porn will still exist. Manwin has enough money and licenses to close down all submissions and restrict their free tubes to only their own owned content. This isn't censorship, it's enforcing laws that apply to offline to online.

You live off of something and I suspect it's not marketing. You're not good enough at that to earn a decent living. Maybe you're worried about your future freedom to earn money. Making piracy harder and come with penalties isn't going to harm any legit income you have. Are you earning from piracy, are you a pirate?

Hentaikid · 11-01-2011, 07:11 AM

GFY already has moderation, embeds of images and videos are the responsibility of whoever hosts them, but of course anything illegal will be deleted. Posting a quote or portion of a copyrighted work is fair use.

It varies depending on country but where I am for example you become liable for say, libelous comments on your blog if you leave them a certain number of days.

Writing a post with a flashing bloody hymen below the textbox is starting to get old, buh-bye.

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Bless you. That's not an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms. i.e. military intelligence.

Welcome back though Paulie. Insults and posting your ignorance about simple linguistics all in one post! Love your work. Amazing how little time you can last actually ignoring me. What are you going to do when I am in Thailand?

A trip to Thailand isn't cheap.

Flight, hotel, etc. A decent trip to Thailand is a $4,000-$5,000 holiday. Not a big deal to someone like Eva and I. Yet it's obvious by looking at our sites we're not broke. To Damian living in his rented one bed flat?

Who thinks Damian can earn enough to pay for it by his "Marketing" skills alone?

Not me.

12clicks · 11-01-2011, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank21

No they start with your website. If you do it again you loose your "privilage" to access the internet.

Contrary to what you believe this bill will not be used to catch only the big guys who actualy make money with stealing stuff. But will be used against people like you and me.
I dont think it is stealing music if they force it dwn your throath on radio comercials and stuff like that.
And yes i did throw away my tv and radio cause i do not even want to listen their music.
But i do not think their crap can be a reason to shut down websites and youtube accounts.

you and me?

son, I don't steal music or video. if you do, you're a thief. don't group yourself with the rest of us.

Nautilus · 11-01-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

At a minimum, this means that any service that hosts user generated content is going to be under enormous pressure to actively monitor and filter that content. That?s a huge burden

Oh noes... What an oppressive burden it is to actually check what's going on at your fucking site. That's so fucking hard OMG the sky is falling what those evil obsolete outdated copyright holders want from us. It's their duty to produce content for us and then to police our sites too and do all other dirty ground work for us, while we should only be creative and innovative meaning we're entitled to enjoy free content created by other people and we aren't going to spent a minute of our precious time to respect the rights of people who actually created the content that made our "innovative" services worth a shit to surfers.

Yawn. Same old song we've been hearing over and over again for years.

Speaking of huge and unnecessary burdens, have any of you free shit lovers ever tried to police literally dozens of thousands of piracy sites that post links to stolen content? Do you know what kind of burden it is? Do you know how astronomically huge piracy numbers are and that no copyright holder will not be able to check 1/10th of it in his entire lifetime? Now THAT'S the burden, but of course it is OK because it's them evil obsolete copyright holders have to do it. Save God some brilliant innovative kid that is scheming new youtube in his garage is forced to do it. That's the end of the world. No more innovation. Oppression and totalitarism. But of course.

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Oh noes... What an oppressive burden it is to actually check what's going on at your fucking site.

Probably not for your sites, but for popular ones it would be obscenely massive. Twitter, Facebook, tumblr, linked in, any forum, any email, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Speaking of huge and unnecessary burdens, have any of you free shit lovers ever tried to police literally dozens of thousands of piracy sites that post links to stolen content? Do you know what kind of burden it is? Do you know how astronomically huge piracy numbers are and that no copyright holder will not be able to check 1/10th of it in his entire lifetime? Now THAT'S the burden,

Don't bother doing it then. It's a waste of time and achieves nothing. At least I've never seen a SHRED of evidence that wasting that time increases sales.

And for the record, I am not in favour of piracy, but I am against stupidity. There is a difference.

Anyway, this will never get passed, so meh. Carry on posting how you think it's gonna end piracy if it makes you feel better about the time you are wasting trying to win an unwinnable fight.

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A trip to Thailand isn't cheap.

Flight, hotel, etc. A decent trip to Thailand is a $4,000-$5,000 holiday.

Quite a lot more than that for 3 weeks. I know you only went to the places people that like sex with young girls went, but I am going a little more upmarket than that.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Who thinks Damian can earn enough to pay for it by his "Marketing" skills alone?

Not me.

No, I am making tshirts with your face on and the quote from you saying you think teachers must have an iron will to avoid fucking 15 year olds and I am selling them on the internet. Making a fucking MINT mate. A MINT!

DamianJ · 11-01-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Are you earning from piracy, are you a pirate?

No, do you want to fuck 15 year olds?

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Oh noes... What an oppressive burden it is to actually check what's going on at your fucking site. That's so fucking hard OMG the sky is falling what those evil obsolete outdated copyright holders want from us. It's their duty to produce content for us and then to police our sites too and do all other dirty ground work for us, while we should only be creative and innovative meaning we're entitled to enjoy free content created by other people and we aren't going to spent a minute of our precious time to respect the rights of people who actually created the content that made our "innovative" services worth a shit to surfers.

Terrible burden. A burden legit companies have to carry out all the time. We have to check models are legal, get them to sign paper work. Then when we sell the license, customers have to check the license, check the IDs, check the model release. To make sure it's all legal.

Now those taking "User generated" content have to do the same. How will they manage.

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Speaking of huge and unnecessary burdens, have any of you free shit lovers ever tried to police literally dozens of thousands of piracy sites that post links to stolen content? Do you know what kind of burden it is? Do you know how astronomically huge piracy numbers are and that no copyright holder will not be able to check 1/10th of it in his entire lifetime? Now THAT'S the burden, but of course it is OK because it's them evil obsolete copyright holders have to do it. Save God some brilliant innovative kid that is scheming new youtube in his garage is forced to do it. That's the end of the world. No more innovation. Oppression and totalitarism. But of course.

Do you think pirates and those living off piracy give a shit about our burdens? No they want the freedom of no burdens and no laws.

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Quite a lot more than that for 3 weeks. I know you only went to the places people that like sex with young girls went, but I am going a little more upmarket than that.

Seems strange this guy.

http://vimeo.com/13411050

http://vimeo.com/8079940

https://youtube.com/user/pornbeer.../0/i_OUuofhtUY

Dresses like a tramp, lives in a dump and doesn't impress with his sites or marketing. Yet terrified that pirates might get stopped. Can afford an expensive holiday to Thailand. *Strange*

SmutHammer · 11-01-2011, 08:33 AM

I have no issue with paying for my music, movie's, porn etc.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-01-2011, 08:36 AM

Read: (D) INTERNET ADVERTISING SERVICES.—
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...0HR%203261.pdf

This bill dies in committee or on the floor — the search engines and advertisers will kill it ...

Paul Markham · 11-01-2011, 08:37 AM

Seriously there is no burden.

They disable the "User Submitted" tools and only allow those who are known and trusted. Facebook, Twitter, etc will survive as a message service. Text is fine unless it libel. Then the poster is liable. Linking to an image not stored on your server is fine, or the post office and telephone companies might be in trouble.

Youtube will need a rethink. they might give accounts to ABC, NBC, MGM, etc. Joe Soap can't upload a video of his own choice unless it's checked.

Life will continue. Unless a large part of your income comes from piracy or off piracy, like advertising on a piracy site or processing for a piracy site. Life for them will get harder.

For those who get free entertainment or programs. They might find life a bit tougher.

The bands might not have to go on the road to make a living and can go into the studio and concentrate on the music. Knowing it won't be stolen and given away for free.

One man's burden is another man's lighter load. Just turning the tables.

10-31-2011, 02:41 PM	#1
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) has the internet pirates squirming and sweating! SOPA looks like it will shutdown both domestic (inside USA) and foreign (by blocking) sites where the business model is streaming or file transferring stolen content. Shut them all down!! Fucking thieves........ Go Fuck Yourself! Link to Bill

10-31-2011, 02:53 PM	#2
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10-31-2011, 03:09 PM	#7
Frank21 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 733	Yes funny no more internet freedom. And if you had read the whole bill you would know that will be used against you too by sueing you for the music you have in some of your vids. 1 song in 1 vid is enough to shut down your whole website. __________________ www.Rate-My-Pussylips.com - FuckingFetish.com - for sale!!! - ExxGfs.com icq#: 598425939

10-31-2011, 03:40 PM	#10
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10-31-2011, 03:46 PM	#11
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	i could care less if the media and entertainment industries died anyway. they waste the world's time.

10-31-2011, 03:58 PM	#13
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10-31-2011, 06:14 PM	#14
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	seems like a terrible idea to me.

10-31-2011, 06:18 PM	#15
Nautilus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,631	Fantastic news, thanks for posting. Link bookmarked. I'm a bit confused though. What about previous PROTECT IP/E-PARASITES acts? This new SOPA bill seems to implement ideas from both, does that mean those two were cancelled? I like the wording of this bill as it is very detailed and pretty much to the point, unlike that vague DMCA law that all thieves love so much. __________________ . . FerroCash - 50+ quality niche paysites to promote \| 100K+ FHGs \| Check recently added galleries New sites \| Pantyhose \| Nylon \| Shemale \| Strapon \| Lesbian \| Mature/MILF \| Anal \| Old&Young \| Gay \| Feet Morphing RSS feeds - check them at the Official blog\| Page Peels (Sample 1 : Sample 2) Wish to review or evaluate our sites before promoting them? Contact me for free password. ICQ: 38.89.22.76 e-mail: support AT ferrocash.com

10-31-2011, 07:32 PM	#16
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	I have concerns that the law (SOPA) could be overreaching in restricting "fair use." However, in the USA, we have a long tradition (stare decisis) concerning fair use, parody, and other legitimate uses of copyrighted content. Personally, I think the world was just fine before some giant media companies put a legitimate and popular face on blatant piracy. And, at this point, I can't say that I think a raging, uncontrolled Internet that steals everything that has been digitized for mass distribution is a good thing. Because their business models are built on the redistribution of other people's IP content, I'm sure some of the big players are walking the halls of Congress with bags of money, teams of lobbyists, and reams of emails based of fear tactics that this legislation will kill the internet. As webmasters, both you and I know this isn't so. It kinda reminds me of the Wild, Wild West with bank robbers (pirates), a new sheriff in town (SOPA), and a general population that just wants to get along. I always thought the intention was to make the internet a tool for the betterment of mankind, not a safe haven for thieves and malcontents. The days of the Wild, Wild West of the Internet are coming to an end, hopefully. The time has come for the robbers to end their reign of terror. I hope whatever replaces the current situation is respectful of peoples property rights and privacy rights; but, the current situation is unsustainable in my eyes. Just my opinion.

10-31-2011, 07:34 PM	#17
Failed Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,301	If this bill passes. What happens to youtube that is probably the biggest host of pirated content on the internet?

10-31-2011, 07:53 PM	#19
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Youtube is starting have content created like cable and tv does. They read the writing on the wall.

10-31-2011, 09:42 PM	#21
Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	Time for the crooks to go back to selling guns and drugs... SOPA, will surely be watered down but at least most thieves will get their nads handed to them.

11-01-2011, 04:39 AM	#23
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	As promised, here’s the first installment of our closer review of the massive piece of job-killing Internet regulation that is the Stop Online Piracy Act. We’ll start with how it could impact Twitter, Tumblr, and the next innovative social network, cloud computing, or web hosting service that some smart kid is designing in her garage right now. Let’s make one thing clear from the get-go: despite all the talk about this bill being directed only toward “rogue” foreign sites, there is no question that it targets US companies as well. The bill sets up a system to punish sites allegedly “dedicated to the theft of US property.” How do you get that label? Doesn’t take much: Some portion of your site (even a single page) must be directed toward the US, and either allegedly “engage in, enable or facilitate” infringement or allegedly be taking or have taken steps to “avoid confirming a high probability” of infringement. If an IP rightsholder (vaguely defined – could be Justin Bieber worried about his publicity rights) thinks you meet the criteria and that it is in some way harmed, it can send a notice claiming as much to the payment processors (Visa, Mastercard, Paypal etc.) and ad services you rely on. Once they get it, they have 5 days to choke off your financial support. Of course, the payment processors and ad networks won’t be able to fine-tune their response so that only the allegedly infringing portion of your site is affected, which means your whole site will be under assault. And, it makes no difference that no judge has found you guilty of anything or that the DMCA safe harbors would shelter your conduct if the matter ever went to court. Indeed, services that have been specifically found legal, like Rapidshare, could be economically strangled via SOPA. You can file a counter-notice, but you’ve only got 5 days to do it (good luck getting solid legal advice in time) and the payment processors and ad networks have no obligation to respect it in any event. That’s because there are vigilante provisions that grant them immunity for choking off a site if they have a “reasonable belief” that some portion of the site enables infringement. At a minimum, this means that any service that hosts user generated content is going to be under enormous pressure to actively monitor and filter that content. That’s a huge burden, and worse for services that are just getting started – the YouTubes of tomorrow that are generating jobs today. And no matter what they do, we’re going to see a flurry of notices anyway – as we’ve learned from the DMCA takedown process, content owners are more than happy to send bogus complaints. What happened to Wikileaks via voluntary censorship will now be systematized and streamlined – as long as someone, somewhere, thinks they’ve got an IP right that’s being harmed. In essence, Hollywood is tired of those pesky laws that help protect innovation, economic growth, and creativity rather than outmoded business models. So they are trying to rewrite the rules, regulate the Internet, and damn the consequences for the rest of us. Watch this space for more analysis, but don’t wait to act. This bill cannot be fixed; it must be killed. The bill’s sponsors (and their corporate backers) want to push this thing through quickly, before ordinary citizens get wind of the harm it is going to cause. If you don’t want to let big media control the future of innovation and online expression, act now, and urge everyone you know to do the same. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/1...break-internet

11-01-2011, 05:46 AM	#27
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	The content thieves will always scream "censorship" and "overkill". Watch the fear tactics.....SOPA = Patriot Act. (Yeah, if you are a pirate.) The only jobs on the line are theirs. The rest of us will keep on keeping on. Hosts will keep on hosting, artist will keep on creating, performers will keep on performing. We just won't be masssively ripped off by these thieving assholes. Just my opinion.

11-01-2011, 06:23 AM	#31
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Youtube, Twitter, Tumblr, Tubes, Torrents, File Lockers, or whatever else can sleep with the fish as far as I'm concerned. I don't worry about the gov ruining the adult industry down the road because we'll do a perfectly good job ruining it for them. All they need to do is sit back and let us do what we do best.

11-01-2011, 06:27 AM	#32
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	The existing laws are very clear about "fair use" of content: time shifting, parodies, quotations, etc. If you go beyond "fair use" in copying and distributing content, you are already in violation of the laws. What scares the shit out of the pirates is the loss of the DMCA safe harbor provision that allows them to say "I didn't know" and "It's not my fault" when their entire business model is based on distribution of other peoples intellectual property. And, yes, you should know what is on your website. Last edited by Redrob; 11-01-2011 at 06:29 AM..

11-01-2011, 07:11 AM	#39
Hentaikid Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,249	GFY already has moderation, embeds of images and videos are the responsibility of whoever hosts them, but of course anything illegal will be deleted. Posting a quote or portion of a copyrighted work is fair use. It varies depending on country but where I am for example you become liable for say, libelous comments on your blog if you leave them a certain number of days. Writing a post with a flashing bloody hymen below the textbox is starting to get old, buh-bye.

11-01-2011, 08:33 AM	#48
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11-01-2011, 08:36 AM	#49
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11-01-2011, 08:37 AM	#50
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Seriously there is no burden. They disable the "User Submitted" tools and only allow those who are known and trusted. Facebook, Twitter, etc will survive as a message service. Text is fine unless it libel. Then the poster is liable. Linking to an image not stored on your server is fine, or the post office and telephone companies might be in trouble. Youtube will need a rethink. they might give accounts to ABC, NBC, MGM, etc. Joe Soap can't upload a video of his own choice unless it's checked. Life will continue. Unless a large part of your income comes from piracy or off piracy, like advertising on a piracy site or processing for a piracy site. Life for them will get harder. For those who get free entertainment or programs. They might find life a bit tougher. The bands might not have to go on the road to make a living and can go into the studio and concentrate on the music. Knowing it won't be stolen and given away for free. One man's burden is another man's lighter load. Just turning the tables. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70