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any new feedback on VS and their white label?
i just started using the VS whitelabel today... how have they been? i searched and found no newer threads with info on them
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I would never use VS, as if you stop sending sales they change your revshare amount to only 5%, go with Streamate instead they convert better anyways.
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Is that some place in the terms cause I have not seen this.
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I was using streamate for a bit... didn't do anything for me...
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From another thread "forum" that I cant post here. "These fucking guys just really take the cake for being top notch scammers. Wasn't so long ago that they started a shit storm because they closed an affiliates account because he stopped sending them traffic. Next they changed their payout scale to no longer include 25% because "Our commission structure has changed to 20-30% sliding scale. Unfortunately we do not offer such rates anymore as they simple are not tenable with our business model." Now they have some bullshit in their new terms which they just came up with last month about Dormant Affiliate Rate of 5%: 7.2 Dormant Affiliate Rate Adjustment. You acknowledge and agree that if the Company's records indicate that no new referrals have been credited to Your account for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days, then regardless of the rate of commission or other compensation previously paid to You for referrals, Company shall have the option, but not the obligation, to unilaterally change the rate of commission for payment for referrals to a "Dormant Affiliate Rate". Currently the Dormant Affiliate Rate is five percent (5%). I sent these fuckers a whale who spends $2,000 - $10,000 a fucking month on them and have been making 20% off of him for a while now, now this month, because I haven't sent any new customer (Mostly because their site doesn't convert) they bump me down to 5%. WHAT A FUCKING LOAD OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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But they converted a whale for you? Did they not? I'm sensing some contradiction here.
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Last month I had the highest amount of sales and commissions I've ever had with a cam company, and that was with Video Secrets. Their white label doesn't have any shared logo billing page bullshit, and actually looks like a part of the site. I don't know of any other white labels that have that option.
Vendzilla is an opinionated, hardheaded bastard, lol. But, he's always on the board and whether you agree or disagree with him, he's always willing to help. They have another rep Matt who is very helpful as well. I had to recently switch one of my domains because they don't allow the use of "teen" anymore, and they sent emails to all of my customers making the transition as smooth as possible. And, most importantly, they gave me adequate notice so that I could take all the necessary steps required to make it a smooth transition. Video Secrets is the only cam company I would recommend using. |
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But seeing that above that if you do not have a sale within 180 days you lose 95% of your re-bills? Show me another company that does that, why would you send anyone traffic that does this? They have the right to change their TOS, and we have a right to let them know it sucks ass.
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You're still getting 5% for doing absolutely nothing anymore at the point of 180 days. Seriously, who can't send one referral in 6 months? If I quit my job, they don't just keep sending me paychecks. After seeing what other sponsors have done as of late, this seems more than fair. As I said before, Video Secrets is the only cam company I would recommend. I've been paid on time, every time. The affiliate reps are actually good at what they do and are willing to help. They convert well and the white labels get more serps than any other I've used. Personally, they are the cam company for me. |
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well i am trying VS and will be giving you an update as i got... but i have to say, if you can't convert 1 sale in 180 days you need to find a new gig
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And yes he reached out to them more times then a reasonable person would.
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Yes I may be opinionated, but I won't bullshit you, I won't make promises that I can't back up. I know what my job is, and that's to help my affiliates make more money.
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Then what's the deal with cutting rev share if you don't make a sale in 180 days...?
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Then maybe your try another cam site that is converting better for you or maybe a different niche, why should you lose all of your re-bills? What if Brazzers, Bang Bros, Naughty America, Etc did this... Do you understand now? Hell if people are OK with this then fuck it I need to do the same with my program!
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Good luck with that VS avoids that question like the plague, nothing against Vendzilla he is not the person doing this, just stuck between a rock and a hard place,
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Then your conversions go bad, maybe your surfers are just used to the same old ads that you have up you need to switch things up to a new sponsor. But you can't because then you lose all those sales that you worked hard for, it's a catch22 pure bullshit!
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I don't use Brazzers or Bang Bros thank you. That tired content is strewn around the net like used condoms. Just how many more boring scenes we gonna see on a desk or in a doctor's office? I like your content though MP. |
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Anyone who promotes VS deserves what they get. Apparently not everyone remembers them not paying rebills at all if traffic was stopped. They changed that policy only because of the huge uproar on GFY.
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People have a short memory and here they are doing it again.
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If dropping an affiliate's commission who no longer promotes the program to 5% keeps the doors of the sponsor open for affiliates who are still hard at work promoting their program, then I'm okay with that. I've seen what sponsors have done here lately, and apparently, for longer than I know of (being new in adult). They just shut their doors taking all of the affiliate money, even those still working hard for them, and they don't give one single shit about doing it. So, if you cutting an affiliate's commission who hasn't sent you sales in 6 months help you keep your doors open to those still working hard for you, yes, do it, and use that cash to keep the program open. |
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Even if you can't make that sale, and who knows, maybe there is some reason that your promotions just went to hell for 6 months, make an account and buy a few credits yourself, or have family or friends help out and spend $20 bucks or whatever to keep your whale's money rolling in.
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All you can do is warn people. If they're not smart enough to heed the warnings then they'll get what they deserve.
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It's your fucking sale you sent it, with out that they have shit, it's yours, just because you stop sending traffic does not mean then can ass rape you.
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I don't promote cams at all anymore. The point I was trying to make is that VS has a shady past and you're willing to overlook it. When you get fucked, just remember not to start a thread about it here. You'll get two pages of "told ya so" responses.
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If you can update this thread 6 months from now.
That would be excellent!
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it's a PAY CUT. You do the same work, like you obviously did at mc donalds, day in and day out Now people stop buying apple pies with their order. They're sick of apple pies. You're still selling fries though, cause you remember to say "would you like fries with that sir" But since you have no new apple pie conversions, your manager (the 15 yr old with the iq twice yours, but still under room temperature) tells you they're going to cut your salary by 20%. But hey, you're still making money right? Let me tell you how someone that makes money looks at it. I'm not making 5%, I'm losing 45%, because I value my traffic and won't send it to a sponsor that's not willing to pony up at least half. Let me know if ya don't understand, I'll come over with a hammer and fix whatever it is wrong with your head. |
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Well I tried, lol I guess I have to facepalm myself
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We are DTI Cash and we run a very tight ship. We dont have any issues with any of our models. If you have any questions feel free to contact me anytime.
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Video Secrets is growing, since I've been here, I've seen more than a few new faces and we've taken on a new project that has me learning mainstream marketing. Our Programming department is second to none as everything is programed in-house, look for new webmaster tools coming out very soon. We do things a little different, we spend a lot of money on purchasing traffic to ensure our models rooms have members in them, this makes for a better experience for our models , models making money means that the members are spending, better payouts for affiliates. We also run our Promo days where we spend a lot of money giving away heavily discounted credits to the members you referred that haven't been spending anything yet, this gets them use to the idea of buying credits and has worked out very well for us, our promo days promotions are the busiest days on flirt4free. Ever clicked on a Iframe and see where the model is offline? Not ours, Our Iframes go straight to the models rooms and are updated every 180 seconds, they are also filtered to use the top converting models that are online first and filter out the crowded rooms so that a surfer you send us doesn't get drowned out by all the people and going somewhere else. Ask me how and I'll show you how to use Iframes to go to the performers rooms on your White Label, never leaving your branding. Ever get an affiliate rep that didn't know anything about building a website? I've been doing it for over 9 years. I've built every kind of website there is and I'm here to help those that can't figure out why something isn't working right on their site. End result, if you have a question, call me, skype me, ICQ me, email me, you'll get a direct answer, if nothing else, I think anyone that has ever read my posts, knows I don't really have a filter, but I'm workiing on it. Easy email to remember [email protected]
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Tim, Congrats on the new gig, they used an old pic though, you should get on them about that!!
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Damn, Vend is starting to sound like Tam.
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Use the contact info if you have a question, I thought I was pretty clear about that
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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You know I don't really even mind that anymore, the economy is in the shitter, he needs to make a buck I understand that... I don't blame him.
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Thanks. What pic?
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I know you've lost weight, I went to Joanna too and dropped 30 pounds just by changing my diet, have to start hitting the gym now, She's awesome and makes it all make sense
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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I'd think that in a bad economy one would want to be honest and forthcoming rather than spew a bunch of marketing horseshit that most of us are smart enough to see through. The OP wasn't asking for a marketing spiel from a VS minion.
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LOLOLOL that's old, man , PB Mansion Circa 2005. Yea, Joanna is the best!
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