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Paul Markham · 11-05-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT][INDENT]That is so wrong it is borderline delusional -- if 500 people are going to be drawn into the "sales conversion funnel," as they examine the product as presented to them -- some will fall off and won't buy;

Excuses for a lousy performance don't make it a good performance.

The delusion is on the part of online porn thinking 1-500 is good.

I never bothered to read the rest because these excuses have been trotted out for years.

porno jew · 11-05-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Excuses for a lousy performance don't make it a good performance.

The delusion is on the part of online porn thinking 1-500 is good.

I never bothered to read the rest because these excuses have been trotted out for years.

this thread actually has some good info. fuck off. seriously. shoo.

porno jew · 11-05-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I never bothered to read the rest .....

now you know how we feel when we see your dribble.

Paul Markham · 11-05-2011, 10:22 AM

Unqualified traffic. What is that exactly?

Is it people looking for cooking recipes landing on a web cam site?
Is it people looking for a teen paysite landing on a web cam site?
Is it people looking for a cam site clicking on a link that says cam site?

We taught the surfer to be unqualified by giving it to him for free. If a guy is browning on a free porn site, putting into Google "Live Web Cams" he isn't "Unqualified. He's someone interested in porn. Someone we have 499 in 500 chances of not selling him anything as he jerks off to the free porn.

You made your bed, now lie in it.

IMO most cams are fucking boring as hell. girls stuck in a tiny cubicle smaller than my toilet, with little motivation and not that attractive. Few good looking girls have stuck to it, as there's better money elsewhere, well there was, and most I suspect from Eastern Europe. Because it pays so badly a US girl would laugh at the money.

Again it's all about paying out lots of money to affiliates, to dump people on a site that's like sieve. That's why they don't convert.

Out of the $20 the guys spends, how much goes to the performer putting herself on display and how much to the affiliate?

slapass · 11-05-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hard to convert?,
It's a free sign up,
120 free credits.
seems pretty easy!!

I like the program you work for but being an idiot probably does not help others like it. Just a thought.

Cams are hard to convert because it is not for everyone. I have never had any interest in viewing girls on cam. Just doesn't do it for me. And if it does do it for you, it is not like they have had a hard time finding the site or two to get their fix.

Paul Markham · 11-05-2011, 10:57 AM

Why cams don't convert?

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/cute_mia/

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/malina_rose/

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/aizae/

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/paulin_s/

http://www.xlovecam.com/?p=online&o=GFY

http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-72520.html

http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-75641.html

Are you serious?

That stuff loses people faster than a sieve loses water.

Simple thing to fix is have the girl look at the camera more often, try to strike up a relationship with people watching and not looking off to my left by a huge degree. That would be a good start.

Having girls looking bored doesn't help either. Then the room setting is about as boring as it gets.

The "selling" on these sites is pitiful. They just dump traffic on a bad product then find other reasons to blame for their lack of selling skills.

girls looking at the camera.
girls in a better set up.
girls that don't have their heads cut off.
girls that look excited to be there.
girls profiles about what they are into.

For fuck sake when the traffic lands on the site sell to it. These sites don't convert because they don't deserve to. Still stuck in 1995.

porno jew · 11-05-2011, 11:04 AM

great now clueless is a master about marketing cams now as well.

you ever sold a single cam membership? you ever paid for a cam girl? even sat in on a free cam session? understand what the cam customer wants as opposed to the porn consumer?

maybe they should all look like eastern european white slaves from the 80s?

xNetworx · 11-05-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm Still stuck in 1995.

marlboroack · 11-05-2011, 11:16 AM

Dude, webcams don't even convert that bad. Honestly speaking i convert cams better than dating, paysites, TGP, Tube and products. Only reason being is, you have A LOT of worthless hits. Like back ground pop ups, side bar pop ups etc. With SEO you should be converting 1:600/800 for cams. It really depends on the marketer i guess! I don't think it converts like the 90's anymore because shit is getting safiscated in our world and E-Vagina is getting more pricey a year than real ass and tittays.

helterskelter808 · 11-05-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why cams don't convert?

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/cute_mia/

"Cute Mia is currently in a show and will be back soon."

Frank21 · 11-05-2011, 11:48 AM

because everyone has an account on their favorite webcamsite already.

cherrylula · 11-05-2011, 11:51 AM

Paul Markham · 11-05-2011, 02:40 PM

compare the two sites I showed. With these.

http://www.directchat.tv/?affiliateI...1&campaignId=2

http://www.thisiswebcam.com/?affilia...1&campaignId=2

http://www.villavoyeur.com/?affiliat...1&campaignId=2

http://www.mfc-cams.com/

Now be honest what ones look like they were put together by professionals and which ones look like they weren't even trying to look good?

Before you send traffic anywhere ask yourself. "Would I buy from this site?"

Roald · 11-05-2011, 02:59 PM

Stop being an idiot Paul.

papill0n · 11-05-2011, 03:06 PM

now paul's an expert on cams

even though his total cam sales dont exceed 3 paul is the man to talk to about this stuff

AnalProbe · 11-05-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

that ! stuffed ofcourse

AnalProbe · 11-05-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

now paul's an expert on cams

even though his total cam sales dont exceed 3 paul is the man to talk to about this stuff

any possible payment option...webcams... essentially the same

Paul Markham · 11-05-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Stop being an idiot Paul.

the first 2 sites looked like crap. Uninspiring, amateur and all the bloody same. Typical for cam sites.

The girls look like they were just plonked onto a bed with minimum training. One has her head out of shot, none of them look at the camera, the screen is in the wrong place, it should be in front of the girl with the camera in between the screen and girl. So she's not looking off to my side as she chats.

The keyboard should be placed just below the camera.

Al this so she looks at me while chatting.

Also girls should be trained to smile, to lure ad to catch the surfers into her net.

This is fundamental selling. Which these girls don't have a clue about.

Sandro's sites look like a place to trust.

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Originally Posted by papill0n

now paul's an expert on cams

even though his total cam sales dont exceed 3 paul is the man to talk to about this stuff

No. I'm an expert on selling and these girls are not selling well.

Are you saying those type of sites with bored girls do better than a professionally run site?

Go look after your piracy site.

AnalProbe · 11-05-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The keyboard should be placed just below the camera.

Al this so she looks at me while chatting.

Also girls should be trained to smile, to lure ad to catch the surfers into her net.

This is fundamental selling. Which these girls don't have a clue about.

Paul KNOWS what he's talking about.

Attractive, interested, seducing camgirls getting paid premium if they deliver.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-05-2011, 03:53 PM

Paul, in spite of what you say we sell millions of euros a month -- we are selling -- period and we are profitable.

I will take a guess that the adult webcam industry as a whole takes in in excess of $4 Billion a year, probably a lot more -- there are no published statistics as we are all closely held corporations.

You should start selling cams Paul it might pay you more than your pension. Being on the outside looking in pays nothing ...

You find 2 or 3 bad examples and point fingers ... If you have a few million to invest show us how it should be done ... markhamteensoncam.com

Barry-xlovecam · 11-05-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AnalProbe

Paul KNOWS what he's talking about.

Attractive, interested, seducing camgirls getting paid premium if they deliver.

Are you a man or a woman?

If you are a woman I suggest you choose a cam site and work 30 hrs as a model ...

You don't know until you have been there

After 1000 freeloaders say "show me your pussy and I'll go private with you" in free chat you would be a bit cynical too ...

Barry-xlovecam · 11-05-2011, 04:16 PM

We are doing pretty good for Sunday midnight in Europe

Code:

DATE/TIME	MODELS ONLINE	MODELS IN PRIVATE	% EARNING REVENUES
Sat Nov  5 22:48:04 2011 GMT	328	54	16.46%
Sat Nov  5 22:54:04 2011 GMT	336	48	14.29%
Sat Nov  5 23:00:05 2011 GMT	332	55	16.57%

AnalProbe · 11-05-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Are you a man or a woman?

I am a.... wait... you signed up in 2010...

Barry-xlovecam · 11-05-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AnalProbe

I am a.... wait... you signed up in 2010...

Lame answer

AnalProbe · 11-05-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Lame answer

helterskelter808 · 11-05-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No. I'm an expert on selling and these girls are not selling well.

Are you saying those type of sites with bored girls do better than a professionally run site?

I don't think you're clueless, unlike the individual who called you that in this thread and then started a thread himself begging to be spoonfed info on webcams, but this argument is the kind that bad affiliates come up with all the time, to blame something else for their own failure.

If a guest sees a girl they find unappealing, due to looks, personality, the way she acts, or because they're off cam taking a leak, he doesn't just X the browser, he checks out another model who he might like better.

Bored girls have no effect on cam site sales at all, unless there are so few girls online they're all bored; they can only affect their own sales, unless you believe a customer will lose interest in webcams because he finds one girl he doesn't like.

As it is, the first "bad" link you posted above was in pvt when I checked, about 10 minutes after you posted, then she went offline, obviously satisfied with the money she'd made.

That stuff about where the keyboard is, where the cam is located, no guest cares. Not one. And if they did, they could go in pvt and tell her to re-arrange her furniture to their heart's content.

As to whether cam sites shave, how they shave and to what extent they shave, nobody really knows except the cam sites, but it's yet another scapegoat for bad affiliates. The simple fact, again, is that signups are going to suck unless you're sending people who:

Have a card (ie, aren't from backward countries or under 18 looking for free porn)
Are prepared to use the card (ie, weren't attracted to the cam site by the word FREE)
Are interested in webcam cyber

Bleedin' obvious, right? But some people prefer to come up with all kinds of other reasons instead to excuse the fact they obtain a crapload of useless traffic and expect it to work miracles.

adultmobile · 11-05-2011, 05:19 PM

Paul, is ok you talk about prerecorded pay sites, but you miss something about cams.

You said we give away free porn for people to jerk so they don't buy.
I am checking now the girls in private at chatgf and I can tell you the 30% are clothed and talking about what movie they seen yesterday or how is the life. So that is not about porn really. Further, the others in private who are doing sex are not available for free. If a guy want this specific girl and can not find in web he have not much choice than take in private and create the content on demand.

Also about 1 every 500 only purchasing, I checked the stats for october month - and the top customer deposited $12,000 alone, in 31 days. If he is the 1 every 500 I am quite happy.

Now you posting about cams is as qualified as me going to post in a doctors forum about surgery, note I am not a doctor. And you are not a cam studio (that I know of).

kazbalah · 11-05-2011, 05:32 PM

Curious, whats wrong with webcams.com ? Their white label seems to be the best one compared to livejasmin ect?

Ive had my webcams white label doing 4 sales a week the last year or so, seems to convert alright?

Vendzilla · 11-05-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

I like the program you work for but being an idiot probably does not help others like it. Just a thought.

Cams are hard to convert because it is not for everyone. I have never had any interest in viewing girls on cam. Just doesn't do it for me. And if it does do it for you, it is not like they have had a hard time finding the site or two to get their fix.

Cams aren't for everyone, but then what is?

You remember webmaster 101, different strokes?

Vendzilla · 11-05-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

"Cute Mia is currently in a show and will be back soon."

Paul doesn't grasp the whole niche idea

Roald · 11-06-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Roald, nothing but love, but I spend a lot of time showing my accounts how to convert better. Not just the big accounts.

Having 15 years of stats helps

Thats great and all but that doesnt change anything about the fact that cams are often hard to convert for the average webmaster.

Roald · 11-06-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

the first 2 sites looked like crap. Uninspiring, amateur and all the bloody same. Typical for cam sites.

The girls look like they were just plonked onto a bed with minimum training. One has her head out of shot, none of them look at the camera, the screen is in the wrong place, it should be in front of the girl with the camera in between the screen and girl. So she's not looking off to my side as she chats.

The keyboard should be placed just below the camera.

Al this so she looks at me while chatting.

Also girls should be trained to smile, to lure ad to catch the surfers into her net.

This is fundamental selling. Which these girls don't have a clue about.

Sandro's sites look like a place to trust.

I asume you are comapring F4F, Xlovecams and DirectChat (Sandros sites) here?

If yes then I have years of stats here to back up that what you say here doesnt matter as much (if any) as you think it does.

Trust me, when people say you should stick to commenting about photography they are right. You have no stats to back up what ever claim you make. You only have your opinion. Thats great but I would leave the real cam marketing to the pros. What you think is fundamental for a great cam site is actually not that important.

Start promoting some cam sites and report back in a year from now with some proper stats. Untill then I would strongly suggest to leave this game to the pros.

Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text

ContentPimp · 11-06-2011, 12:49 AM

Take it from me, someone who has bought credits and tried a cam site as a user. the reason why conversions are low and not maximized because all these cam sites offering free chat forget to remind their affiliates that the unspoken rule among cam performers is NOT to reply to guests (people who dont have member accounts) on these free live chats.

Since the girls dont reply most of these potential buyers get lost as they are ignored. only one out of a 100 will realize hey i need to buy credit and then she will reply....

ContentPimp · 11-06-2011, 12:52 AM

Ps lets face it most people are like apple users. they really have no clue about anything and you need to draw it out in nice pictures how to do something. morale of the story is webcam performers need to be thought to tell guests that come to free cgat to get an account if you want my attention evej in free chat.

Paul Markham · 11-06-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

I asume you are comapring F4F, Xlovecams and DirectChat (Sandros sites) here?

If yes then I have years of stats here to back up that what you say here doesnt matter as much (if any) as you think it does.

Trust me, when people say you should stick to commenting about photography they are right. You have no stats to back up what ever claim you make. You only have your opinion. Thats great but I would leave the real cam marketing to the pros. What you think is fundamental for a great cam site is actually not that important.

Start promoting some cam sites and report back in a year from now with some proper stats. Untill then I would strongly suggest to leave this game to the pros.

Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text

Exactly, I'm stating an opinion. An opinion that every surfer has when he lands on a site. These sites are not appealing enough. IMO IMO IMO.

Paul Markham · 11-06-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AnalProbe

Paul KNOWS what he's talking about.

Attractive, interested, seducing camgirls getting paid premium if they deliver.

Sells better than an unattractive girl looking fed up and at least a foot to my right.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Paul, in spite of what you say we sell millions of euros a month -- we are selling -- period and we are profitable.

I will take a guess that the adult webcam industry as a whole takes in in excess of $4 Billion a year, probably a lot more -- there are no published statistics as we are all closely held corporations.

You should start selling cams Paul it might pay you more than your pension. Being on the outside looking in pays nothing ...

You find 2 or 3 bad examples and point fingers ... If you have a few million to invest show us how it should be done ... markhamteensoncam.com

Yes you make millions. Is that good enough for you or would tens of millions be better.

Do you want me to go back and find more examples?

Here's an offer, give me a chance to tutor these girls and I will see if I can't improve their earnings. If not, I'll apologise. Assuming they carry out the instructions. I'm talking basic selling techniques of the first steps when meeting a stranger. Why are the keyboards and screens put at least a food away from the camera?

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Are you a man or a woman?

If you are a woman I suggest you choose a cam site and work 30 hrs as a model ...

You don't know until you have been there

After 1000 freeloaders say "show me your pussy and I'll go private with you" in free chat you would be a bit cynical too ...

And here is the real problem.

These girls have to work 30 hours to make a meager wage. Never has a good model come off webcams and gone back. A girl who will appear nude on camera can make $500 for 6 hours work, or could before the industry was decimated. I can find 1,000s of girls who will work for that money or even a lot less.

How long does a girl get in private chat per hour?
How much do the members pay or that?
How much does an affiliate get?
How much does the girl get?

It's 30 hours work for crap money dealing with idiots. So the girls are not working well. the solution is easy, pay them more. Let's face it, you're making billions of them. Your words.

I tried to find out what the charges were on your site per minute. not that clear what I was getting for my money.

Paul Markham · 11-06-2011, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I don't think you're clueless, unlike the individual who called you that in this thread and then started a thread himself begging to be spoonfed info on webcams, but this argument is the kind that bad affiliates come up with all the time, to blame something else for their own failure.

If a guest sees a girl they find unappealing, due to looks, personality, the way she acts, or because they're off cam taking a leak, he doesn't just X the browser, he checks out another model who he might like better.

Bored girls have no effect on cam site sales at all, unless there are so few girls online they're all bored; they can only affect their own sales, unless you believe a customer will lose interest in webcams because he finds one girl he doesn't like.

As it is, the first "bad" link you posted above was in pvt when I checked, about 10 minutes after you posted, then she went offline, obviously satisfied with the money she'd made.

That stuff about where the keyboard is, where the cam is located, no guest cares. Not one. And if they did, they could go in pvt and tell her to re-arrange her furniture to their heart's content.

As to whether cam sites shave, how they shave and to what extent they shave, nobody really knows except the cam sites, but it's yet another scapegoat for bad affiliates. The simple fact, again, is that signups are going to suck unless you're sending people who:

Have a card (ie, aren't from backward countries or under 18 looking for free porn)
Are prepared to use the card (ie, weren't attracted to the cam site by the word FREE)
Are interested in webcam cyber

Bleedin' obvious, right? But some people prefer to come up with all kinds of other reasons instead to excuse the fact they obtain a crapload of useless traffic and expect it to work miracles.

Agreed. Everyone points the blame at others. Personally if a site isn't performing well, change the site, whether you're promoting or owning it. Never accept it as "good enough" as Damian says keep testing different things, not in a way that might harm sales, but in a way that helps you to increase them.

How many times does a surfer land on a site and think "I've been here before." Even when he hasn't, it just looks like every other site in the sector.

How many times does a surfer move onto the next girl before he gets bored?

The keyboard was the first thing I noticed. Because no one tells you they care doesn't mean it hasn't got an effect.

These girls are the most important part of the sales process. It's not about traffic. It's about the girls ability to convert it. having girls on a lousy wage, unmotivated in a crap cubicle and dealing with idiots isn't going to make them work better at converting traffic.

Nice to see you ended your post by blaming others.

Both sides are to blame. The whole process of dumping traffic on sites that take money is the lowest level of selling. Landing it on sites that don't maximise the traffic is another mistake.

There are no real problems, everything has a solution. The only problem is finding the money to fund the solution.

If of 100 cents, 40 goes in marketing, 20 in running and profit of cam site 40 cents goes to the cam studio. 20 for the owner of the studio and 20 for the girl.

To make $50 the girl has to work 250 minutes. If the cost is $1 = 1 minute. That means the girl spends over 100% of her time in private chat.

I don't know the real figures, so ridicule away, but I will bet this is where the real problem lies. The guy sitting in the comfort of his home sending shit traffic is earning more than the girls shoving dildos into their pussies.

And they're not motivated.

Paul Markham · 11-06-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Also about 1 every 500 only purchasing, I checked the stats for october month - and the top customer deposited $12,000 alone, in 31 days. If he is the 1 every 500 I am quite happy.

If he was 1-5,000,000 you would be happy.

$12k a month is $144k a year after tax. Guys on this level are getting the real thing, not some girl on a webcam.

But good job spamming your site.

Roald · 11-06-2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exactly, I'm stating an opinion. An opinion that every surfer has when he lands on a site. These sites are not appealing enough. IMO IMO IMO.

Yes, so in that case dont argue with people who can back up that your opinion is not making sense

Roald · 11-06-2011, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If he was 1-5,000,000 you would be happy.

$12k a month is $144k a year after tax. Guys on this level are getting the real thing, not some girl on a webcam.

But good job spamming your site.

Again, I have stats which show a whole lot of guys dont want the real thing and are spending a fortune on cams.

Paul Markham · 11-06-2011, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Yes, so in that case dont argue with people who can back up that your opinion is not making sense

I've talked to enough cam girls and cam studio owners to know the problem. The money spent on the product is too low. Probably because the money spent on you is too high.

Your stats can be easily changed, I can show you stats on my sales, going to believe me? What ever, they could be better.

I am seeing cam studios closing or shrinking all the time. Out sourced studios that simply didn't get enough of the $4 billion to make a decent product. Studios set up with minimal training and guidance. I've had numerous people offer me the chance to open a studio with all the girls I know. The girls I know won't work 30 hours for the money webcam pays.

A guy spend $12 a month on a webcam, if he's spending 10% of his take home pay is on $1,440,000. Yes the poster would be over the moon if it was 1-500. He would be over the moon if it were true. The girl would fly to the the customer and spend the month with him fr that money.

I call bullshit until you can prove it. If men were spending lots of money on webcams, then webcams would be a different animal. Girls wouldn't be quitting, studios not closing. And affiliates wouldn't be moaning. an entirely different industry. The truth is girl are unmotivated because they earn crap money dealing with idiots who through no fault of their own don't convert.

And people post statements like previously, that if a guy didn't like where the keyboard was placed he would change it in the private chat. Converted guys are not the real problem, finding out why 499 didn't convert is where the solution lies.

Now you can debate this till your blue in the face, doesn't make you right. A girl looking at the screen with a smile will convert better than a girl looking 12 inches off screen and looking bored. Do you think pictures sell better with a girl looking bored and into space that a girl smiling into the camera?

Barry has the chance to prove me wrong. Lets see if he takes it up. Results will be published here.

Roald · 11-06-2011, 03:08 AM

Paul, I never said some webcam studios aren't having a hard time. I also said webcams are hard to convert for a lot of webmasters. Im just saying that your reasoning why is not making a whole lot of sense.

like you say, I can post some stats of our top spenders this year but im 100% sure you will not believe me and say the stats are fake.

And the money spent on us too high? Lol we make VS a good chunk of money every month. I think they are pretty happy with the % they are giving us.

like always this is an endless discussion making me feel im talking to a wall.

Have a great sunday trolling gfy

jimmycooper · 11-06-2011, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text

and therein lies the problem...

jhmplondon · 11-06-2011, 04:54 AM

don't know what you are talking about, I convert webcams at 1:201 and it easily pays all my bills.

OldJeff · 11-06-2011, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Paul doesn't grasp the whole internet idea

I fixed it for you.

Vendzilla · 11-06-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

I fixed it for you.

Given some of his recent posts, hhhmmmm

Vendzilla · 11-06-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Thats great and all but that doesnt change anything about the fact that cams are often hard to convert for the average webmaster.

Average webmasters don't always ask for help.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-06-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I tried to find out what the charges were on your site per minute. not that clear what I was getting for my money.

1.) The rate is clearly stated on each model's profile information tab

2.) there is a popup for all logged in customers with credits in their accounts it shows the model's rate stated before starting a private show.

Some models earn little and some models make 5,000? to 12,000? a month -- sort of like the real world -- some are winners and some just manage to play. I know independent models that have been webcamming for money for years now so if they have lasted that long they must like what they are doing ...

We sell reality and reality is not a perfect place. But GF content, web cams and dating are selling.

Why? Because it is like the "real deal" and that is what people are buying.

Stephen · 11-06-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Before you send traffic anywhere ask yourself. "Would I buy from this site?"

This is the single best piece of advice for ANY affiliate/salesperson, adult cam or otherwise

Folks that don't agree, or don't understand WHY, are the ones that are failing...

On other notes, the performer who seems to not be looking directly into the camera may be looking into a different camera. Simultaneous performances on multiple networks or shooting the cam session as content, are not uncommon, and a second cam/PC/laptop to the side will give the "looking away" effect. Of course, sometimes they're just looking at a kid burping up his carrots...

And on another note, "shaving" isn't required. Read your sponsor's terms and understand its business / marketing practices. If you are not making sales, it might be because every person on the planet has already been added into the system (free joins, APIs, cookies, etc), so you'll never likely earn that million dollar PPS. Try promoting an alternative site or program from the same sponsor, or offers from other sponsors.

signupdamnit · 11-06-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Average webmasters don't always ask for help.

It's 9/10 times useless for an experienced webmaster to do that. And of those 1/10 times where it helps half of those will be little more than the rep applying a short term "reverse shave" which does nothing for you in the long run. Usually it's either a problem with the program or your traffic. A rep can't magically fix that stuff and these days they are usually sales people more so than experienced webmasters.

There might be a few good reps out there who are the exception and who can teach a few tricks to the average webmaster but those are few and far between. Especially those who would bother with a struggling small affiliate sending 200 uniques a day. More often than not you'll just get told to promote one of their other site instead or to put up some holiday promo banners or something like that.

Then in some cases where the program is known to be shady or recently turned shady and you've decided to keep sending traffic for whatever reason you might be better off staying under the radar so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a story or two about this.

11-05-2011, 10:22 AM	#54
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Unqualified traffic. What is that exactly? Is it people looking for cooking recipes landing on a web cam site? Is it people looking for a teen paysite landing on a web cam site? Is it people looking for a cam site clicking on a link that says cam site? We taught the surfer to be unqualified by giving it to him for free. If a guy is browning on a free porn site, putting into Google "Live Web Cams" he isn't "Unqualified. He's someone interested in porn. Someone we have 499 in 500 chances of not selling him anything as he jerks off to the free porn. You made your bed, now lie in it. IMO most cams are fucking boring as hell. girls stuck in a tiny cubicle smaller than my toilet, with little motivation and not that attractive. Few good looking girls have stuck to it, as there's better money elsewhere, well there was, and most I suspect from Eastern Europe. Because it pays so badly a US girl would laugh at the money. Again it's all about paying out lots of money to affiliates, to dump people on a site that's like sieve. That's why they don't convert. Out of the $20 the guys spends, how much goes to the performer putting herself on display and how much to the affiliate? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-05-2011, 10:57 AM	#56
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Why cams don't convert? http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/cute_mia/ http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/malina_rose/ http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/aizae/ http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/paulin_s/ http://www.xlovecam.com/?p=online&o=GFY http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-72520.html http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-75641.html Are you serious? That stuff loses people faster than a sieve loses water. Simple thing to fix is have the girl look at the camera more often, try to strike up a relationship with people watching and not looking off to my left by a huge degree. That would be a good start. Having girls looking bored doesn't help either. Then the room setting is about as boring as it gets. The "selling" on these sites is pitiful. They just dump traffic on a bad product then find other reasons to blame for their lack of selling skills. girls looking at the camera. girls in a better set up. girls that don't have their heads cut off. girls that look excited to be there. girls profiles about what they are into. For fuck sake when the traffic lands on the site sell to it. These sites don't convert because they don't deserve to. Still stuck in 1995. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-05-2011, 11:16 AM	#59
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	Dude, webcams don't even convert that bad. Honestly speaking i convert cams better than dating, paysites, TGP, Tube and products. Only reason being is, you have A LOT of worthless hits. Like back ground pop ups, side bar pop ups etc. With SEO you should be converting 1:600/800 for cams. It really depends on the marketer i guess! I don't think it converts like the 90's anymore because shit is getting safiscated in our world and E-Vagina is getting more pricey a year than real ass and tittays. Last edited by marlboroack; 11-05-2011 at 11:18 AM..

11-05-2011, 11:48 AM	#61
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11-05-2011, 02:40 PM	#63
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	compare the two sites I showed. With these. http://www.directchat.tv/?affiliateI...1&campaignId=2 http://www.thisiswebcam.com/?affilia...1&campaignId=2 http://www.villavoyeur.com/?affiliat...1&campaignId=2 http://www.mfc-cams.com/ Now be honest what ones look like they were put together by professionals and which ones look like they weren't even trying to look good? Before you send traffic anywhere ask yourself. "Would I buy from this site?" __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-05-2011, 11:04 AM	#57
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	great now clueless is a master about marketing cams now as well. you ever sold a single cam membership? you ever paid for a cam girl? even sat in on a free cam session? understand what the cam customer wants as opposed to the porn consumer? maybe they should all look like eastern european white slaves from the 80s?

11-05-2011, 11:51 AM	#62
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11-05-2011, 02:59 PM	#64
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,880	Stop being an idiot Paul. __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

11-05-2011, 03:06 PM	#65
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	now paul's an expert on cams even though his total cam sales dont exceed 3 paul is the man to talk to about this stuff

11-05-2011, 03:53 PM	#70
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Paul, in spite of what you say we sell millions of euros a month -- we are selling -- period and we are profitable. I will take a guess that the adult webcam industry as a whole takes in in excess of $4 Billion a year, probably a lot more -- there are no published statistics as we are all closely held corporations. You should start selling cams Paul it might pay you more than your pension. Being on the outside looking in pays nothing ... You find 2 or 3 bad examples and point fingers ... If you have a few million to invest show us how it should be done ... markhamteensoncam.com

11-05-2011, 04:16 PM	#72
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	We are doing pretty good for Sunday midnight in Europe Code: DATE/TIME MODELS ONLINE MODELS IN PRIVATE % EARNING REVENUES Sat Nov 5 22:48:04 2011 GMT 328 54 16.46% Sat Nov 5 22:54:04 2011 GMT 336 48 14.29% Sat Nov 5 23:00:05 2011 GMT 332 55 16.57%

11-05-2011, 05:19 PM	#77
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	Paul, is ok you talk about prerecorded pay sites, but you miss something about cams. You said we give away free porn for people to jerk so they don't buy. I am checking now the girls in private at chatgf and I can tell you the 30% are clothed and talking about what movie they seen yesterday or how is the life. So that is not about porn really. Further, the others in private who are doing sex are not available for free. If a guy want this specific girl and can not find in web he have not much choice than take in private and create the content on demand. Also about 1 every 500 only purchasing, I checked the stats for october month - and the top customer deposited $12,000 alone, in 31 days. If he is the 1 every 500 I am quite happy. Now you posting about cams is as qualified as me going to post in a doctors forum about surgery, note I am not a doctor. And you are not a cam studio (that I know of). __________________ TubeCamGirl.com

11-05-2011, 05:32 PM	#78
kazbalah Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,215	Curious, whats wrong with webcams.com ? Their white label seems to be the best one compared to livejasmin ect? Ive had my webcams white label doing 4 sales a week the last year or so, seems to convert alright? __________________ Link Directory Submitter - Forum Auto Submitter - Article Submitter - Simple SE submitter - Blog Auto Poster - 45 Wordpress Themes - Mis Spelt Keyword Generator - Auto Forum Submitter

11-06-2011, 12:49 AM	#83
ContentPimp Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,184	Take it from me, someone who has bought credits and tried a cam site as a user. the reason why conversions are low and not maximized because all these cam sites offering free chat forget to remind their affiliates that the unspoken rule among cam performers is NOT to reply to guests (people who dont have member accounts) on these free live chats. Since the girls dont reply most of these potential buyers get lost as they are ignored. only one out of a 100 will realize hey i need to buy credit and then she will reply.... __________________ Blog Post Writing and Reviews are 2 cents per word & Titles and Gallery Descriptions 1 cent per word We also write Pay Site Reviews, SEO and Mainstream text www.contentpimp.info Contact me on ICQ at 400792466 Payoneer, Paxum and Paypal Accepted forms of Payment by the Pimp

11-06-2011, 12:52 AM	#84
ContentPimp Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,184	Ps lets face it most people are like apple users. they really have no clue about anything and you need to draw it out in nice pictures how to do something. morale of the story is webcam performers need to be thought to tell guests that come to free cgat to get an account if you want my attention evej in free chat. __________________ Blog Post Writing and Reviews are 2 cents per word & Titles and Gallery Descriptions 1 cent per word We also write Pay Site Reviews, SEO and Mainstream text www.contentpimp.info Contact me on ICQ at 400792466 Payoneer, Paxum and Paypal Accepted forms of Payment by the Pimp

11-06-2011, 03:08 AM	#92
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,880	Paul, I never said some webcam studios aren't having a hard time. I also said webcams are hard to convert for a lot of webmasters. Im just saying that your reasoning why is not making a whole lot of sense. like you say, I can post some stats of our top spenders this year but im 100% sure you will not believe me and say the stats are fake. And the money spent on us too high? Lol we make VS a good chunk of money every month. I think they are pretty happy with the % they are giving us. like always this is an endless discussion making me feel im talking to a wall. Have a great sunday trolling gfy __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

11-06-2011, 04:54 AM	#94
jhmplondon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: London, UK Posts: 225	don't know what you are talking about, I convert webcams at 1:201 and it easily pays all my bills. __________________ Turn Wordpress into a Membership Site - $25 off