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Old 11-08-2011, 04:39 PM   #51
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The orders of operation are missing from the expression so if you take it at face value, then 40 + 40 x 0 + 1 = 1. This is the correct answer when expressed in this way. Geeze.

If you express it as (40 + 40) x (0 + 1) then the answer is 80

If you express it as 40 + (40 x 0) + 1 then the answer is 41

etc.
if you added numbers, you could get even more results!

50 order of operations
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:42 PM   #52
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Right. So, 40 + 40= 80
80x 0= 0
0+ 1= 1

But like I said, it has been 1969 since I took a math class.
The order of operations says you do the multiplication first, right?

So... 40 + 40 x 0 + 1

... Would translate into 40 + (40 x 0) + 1. 40 x 0 = 0, which leaves you 40 + 1.

Thus 41.

I think. (Math is so not my strong point.)
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:49 PM   #53
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The order of operations says you do the multiplication first, right?
I honestly do not recall if that was how we did it or not. If so, then 41 would obviously be the correct answer. If not, I am changing my answer to milk.
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The orders of operation are missing from the expression so if you take it at face value, then 40 + 40 x 0 + 1 = 1. This is the correct answer when expressed in this way. Geeze.

If you express it as (40 + 40) x (0 + 1) then the answer is 80

If you express it as 40 + (40 x 0) + 1 then the answer is 41

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Right. So, 40 + 40= 80
80x 0= 0
0+ 1= 1

But like I said, it has been 1969 since I took a math class.
multiplication and division are always done 1st in the absence of parentheses.
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The orders of operation are missing from the expression so if you take it at face value, then 40 + 40 x 0 + 1 = 1. This is the correct answer when expressed in this way. Geeze.

If you express it as (40 + 40) x (0 + 1) then the answer is 80

If you express it as 40 + (40 x 0) + 1 then the answer is 41

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it's never good to use "geeze" when you're wrong
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The order of operations says you do the multiplication first, right?
Math Order of Operations:
Rule 1: First perform any calculations inside parentheses.
Rule 2: Next perform all multiplications and divisions, working from left to right.
Rule 3: Lastly, perform all additions and subtractions, working from left to right.
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hummmm.... seems 41 is right :

http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/v...perations.html


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Holy fucking shit.

Can't believe I've read through this whole thread and that anyone would think that it's anything other than 41.

Disclaimer: I took a metric fuckton of math classes in university.
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It seems really obvious that it is 41....... but maybe I am missing something??? Is there a trick?
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:13 PM   #60
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Didn't any of your elementary school teachers teach you "Please excuse my dear aunt sally or PEMDAS"? That's one of the few things that stuck in my head from math class.

Parenthesis
Exponent
Multiply
Divide
Add
Subtract

in that order
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:16 PM   #61
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It seems really obvious that it is 41....... but maybe I am missing something??? Is there a trick?
No, you did not miss anything. That is why this retarded thread is still continuing, people thinking they know better than basic math.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:33 PM   #62
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40 + (40 x 0) + 1 = 41
Correct,,,,
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:43 PM   #63
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what's the answer of paul markham ?
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:44 PM   #64
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The orders of operation are missing from the expression so if you take it at face value, then 40 + 40 x 0 + 1 = 1. This is the correct answer when expressed in this way. Geeze.

If you express it as (40 + 40) x (0 + 1) then the answer is 80

If you express it as 40 + (40 x 0) + 1 then the answer is 41

etc.

Take a look at what has already been posted. The order of operation is not missing and it is implied when there are no parentheses.

Rule 1: First perform any calculations inside parentheses.
Rule 2: Next perform all multiplications and divisions, working from left to right.
Rule 3: Lastly, perform all additions and subtractions, working from left to right.

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I'd say 41, Windows calculator says 1, Google says 41. Who likes math anyway?
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My kid is in 6th grade and came up with 41 instantly.
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:02 PM   #67
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someone doesn't know their order of operations?

40 + 40 x 0 + 1= ?

40 x 0 = 0
40 + 0 + 1 = 41
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lol i was just going over PEMDAS with my son today

6th grade....

.....

his problem was (3 ÷ 3) + 3 X (3^3 - 3) .....that might explode some heads here
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40 + 40 x 0 + 1= ?

I say 1

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


40 x (40 x 0) +1 = 41

yeah - mofo, yeah



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lol i was just going over PEMDAS with my son today

6th grade....

.....

his problem was (3 ÷ 3) + 3 X (3^3 - 3) .....that might explode some heads here
73!

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his problem was (3 ÷ 3) + 3 X (3^3 - 3) .....that might explode some heads here

I get 73.
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Quoting this again. I don't think wolfram alpha has it wrong. Simple order of operations.
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The only way that this can be 41 is if the equation is written like this:

40 + (40 x 0) + 1
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The only way that this can be 41 is if the equation is written like this:

40 + (40 x 0) + 1
That is how I learned it as well, but rules, dictionaries and maps change over the years.
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That is how I learned it as well, but rules, dictionaries and maps change over the years.


You seriously never heard of order of operations? I don't believe they are some newfangled invention.
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That is how I learned it as well, but rules, dictionaries and maps change over the years.
These particular rules haven't changed in a very long time.

"The basic rule (that multiplication has precedence over addition)
appears to have arisen naturally and without much disagreement as
algebraic notation was being developed in the 1600s and the need for
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The orders of operation are missing from the expression so if you take it at face value, then 40 + 40 x 0 + 1 = 1. This is the correct answer when expressed in this way. Geeze.

If you express it as (40 + 40) x (0 + 1) then the answer is 80

If you express it as 40 + (40 x 0) + 1 then the answer is 41

etc.
Sorry dude, but you are wrong. A real calculator where you put the whole problem in shows the "correct" answer.

Also, how many fucking years does Google / WolframAlpha etc have to be around before you monkeys know how to use it?

http://www.google.com/search?client=...hannel=suggest
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It seems really obvious that it is 41....... but maybe I am missing something??? Is there a trick?
There is no trick. The trick is you are on a message board full of math flunkies.
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You seriously never heard of order of operations? I don't believe they are some newfangled invention.
I can honestly say that the "order of operations" is a phrase I do not recall ever hearing prior to this evening.

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These particular rules haven't changed in a very long time.

"The basic rule (that multiplication has precedence over addition)
appears to have arisen naturally and without much disagreement as
algebraic notation was being developed in the 1600s and the need for
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40+ years is hardly newfangled. Have you found anything that states when this rule was conceived?


It was the rule when I was in elementary school 35 years ago...... that is all I know.
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Nobody remembers "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally"? It is probably the only thing I do remember from that far back.
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40+ years is hardly newfangled. Have you found anything that states when this rule was conceived?
This rule was conceived as soon as basic algebra needed proper notation... which according to this guy is 1600's.

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"The convention that multiplication precedes addition and subtraction was in use in the earliest books employing symbolic algebra in the 16th century. The convention that exponentiation precedes multiplication was used in the earliest books in which exponents appeared. "

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A plague of locusts shall be brought upon the heads all those who deny him.
ahhh i remember my TI-82
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A plague of locusts shall be brought upon the heads to all those who deny him.


This thread was hysterical.
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This rule was conceived as soon as basic algebra needed proper notation... which according to this guy is 1600's.

More details here:
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I understand that the theory may have existed, but did they always call it that? I am pretty sure in the 60's we always used brackets.
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I can honestly say that the "order of operations" is a phrase I do not recall ever hearing prior to this evening.

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Old 11-09-2011, 12:37 AM   #98
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Right. So, 40 + 40= 80
80x 0= 0
0+ 1= 1

But like I said, it has been 1969 since I took a math class.
It's scary to think most people can't figure that out. I guess we older guys have one advantage, we actually went to a school that taught us something.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:44 AM   #99
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the answer is 1 anything x 0 = 0 the addition is at the end after the equals = symbol plus + 1 so answer is can only be one.

Those that think there is any other outcome are mixing up the order of the equation.
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:00 AM   #100
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Didn't any of your elementary school teachers teach you "Please excuse my dear aunt sally or PEMDAS"? That's one of the few things that stuck in my head from math class.

Parenthesis
Exponent
Multiply
Divide
Add
Subtract

in that order
We learned it as BODMAS

Brackets
O-something?
Division
Multiplication
Addition
Subtraction

Hmm, maybe it was BOMDAS.

PS: The correct answer is green.
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