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EddyTheDog · 11-10-2011, 07:37 AM

Remember some of us learned this shit 25 or more years ago.

We don't all post here (after math class) from the computer at school.....

Marcus · 11-10-2011, 07:40 AM

The answer is 1
why are people saying its 41? I dont even get that?
Once you his the x0 it all goes to 0, then add the 1

so its 1

Jel · 11-10-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

It's clear that there are a lot of GFY posters that are probably in middle school or just recently out of it. I graduated from college in the early 1980's. And during that era this equation was exactly what I already typed. It was a joke for freshmen engineers. If computer sciences have made that equation acceptable today I wouldn't be aware of it.

That does make me feel somewhat better actually lol.

WarChild · 11-10-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I must have been just lucky. And for the 30 years since I graduated the luck never ended. Every year my manufacturing companies continue to grow and make profits.

It's obvious that you're an intelligent guy and have been very successful. I've personally paid a lot of attention to many of your posts over the years. That being said, I think you're simply mistaken in this case, most probably a slip of the memory due to the time involved.

The order of operations were the same 25 years ago as they are today. They applied when I learned them in grade school 25 years ago, and when I studied Computer Sciences in college 15 years ago. It's a fundamental principle essential to keep Mathematical equations from being ambigious.

Dirty F · 11-10-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Double trouble

Franck, Congrats on your new Ipad 2

I honestly think i'm gonna nominate myself. What you think?

MaDalton · 11-10-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

The answer is 1
why are people saying its 41? I dont even get that?
Once you his the x0 it all goes to 0, then add the 1

so its 1

even on page 7

Double trouble · 11-10-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

I honestly think i'm gonna nominate myself. What you think?

Go for it! You have my vote.

Dirty F · 11-10-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Double trouble

Go for it! You have my vote.

blonda80 · 11-10-2011, 08:52 AM

this is why:
http://www.google.com/search?q=40+%2...en-US:official

40 + (40 x 0) + 1 = 41

x-rate · 11-10-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blonda80

this is why:
http://www.google.com/search?q=40+%2...en-US:official

40 + (40 x 0) + 1 = 41

Some people will still don't get it and reply: yeah but there's not parenthesis so it's 1...! lol

Zoxxa · 11-10-2011, 09:09 AM

Zoxxa · 11-10-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by x-rate

Some people will still don't get it and reply: yeah but there's not parenthesis so it's 1...! lol

That is Google's way of showing you the order of operations, jesus christ.

DVTimes · 11-10-2011, 09:29 AM

he he

this is on facebook thing.

its recording the repose.

RebelR · 11-10-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by x-rate

Some people will still don't get it and reply: yeah but there's not parenthesis so it's 1...! lol

Sorry.. didn't realize you were pointing out the flaw .. hehe

_Richard_ · 11-10-2011, 10:01 AM

ahh good morning gfy

i see the gift that doesn't stop giving is still.. ahh.. giving

FlexxAeon · 11-10-2011, 10:23 AM

for those that truly believe the answer is 1, i refer you to my real life example:

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18546646&postcount=106

for those that are trolling hard, well played. gonna sit back and enjoy the laughs now

Si · 11-10-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

for those that truly believe the answer is 1, i refer you to my real life example:

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18546646&postcount=106

for those that are trolling hard, well played. gonna sit back and enjoy the laughs now

mineistaken · 11-10-2011, 10:50 AM

41, some people must be dumb.

By the way do you remember similar thread with different equation months ago? At least there were some thought into it (because of the implied brackets). While this equation even do not raise any question..

CaptainHowdy · 11-10-2011, 10:54 AM

Si · 11-10-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

41, some people must be dumb.

By the way do you remember similar thread with different equation months ago? At least there were some thought into it (because of the implied brackets). While this equation even do not raise any question..

The other one was worse because it actually had 2 different ways of being worked out and people couldn't seem to see it was written badly.

This one has only 1 answer.

FlexxAeon · 11-10-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

yo man i keep clicking but its not giving me my free ipad 2

Minte · 11-10-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

It's obvious that you're an intelligent guy and have been very successful. I've personally paid a lot of attention to many of your posts over the years. That being said, I think you're simply mistaken in this case, most probably a slip of the memory due to the time involved.

The order of operations were the same 25 years ago as they are today. They applied when I learned them in grade school 25 years ago, and when I studied Computer Sciences in college 15 years ago. It's a fundamental principle essential to keep Mathematical equations from being ambiguous.

I'm not suggesting that the order of operations didn't exist 30 years ago. As new engineers we were all made aware of it. What I am saying is that it wasn't accepted in engineering school. Many trigonometric solutions were pages of calculations. We were required to do these without computers, which weren't available or hand held calculators. The precise nature of the work I chose doesn't allow for potentials. Only absolutes.

The fact that the basic laws of mathematics exist doesn't mean they are relevant today. I would wager,that of everyone that posted in this thread there might be one or two who even know what the sine of an angle is. Calculating seconds of a degree was a process that would take time. Today,with 3 mouse clicks we can measure angles.

PromoterX · 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by x-rate

Some people will still don't get it and reply: yeah but there's not parenthesis so it's 1...! lol

You can tell the ones who sat at the back of the class in high school who answered 1 on this question. God damn slackers.

PR_Glen · 11-10-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The fact that the basic laws of mathematics exist doesn't mean they are relevant today. I would wager,that of everyone that posted in this thread there might be one or two who even know what the sine of an angle is. Calculating seconds of a degree was a process that would take time. Today,with 3 mouse clicks we can measure angles.

I took some engineering courses a few years back, that trig shit was hard even with help from scientific calculators, can't imagine doing that free hand...

grumpy · 11-10-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I'm not suggesting that the order of operations didn't exist 30 years ago. As new engineers we were all made aware of it. What I am saying is that it wasn't accepted in engineering school. Many trigonometric solutions were pages of calculations. We were required to do these without computers, which weren't available or hand held calculators. The precise nature of the work I chose doesn't allow for potentials. Only absolutes.

The fact that the basic laws of mathematics exist doesn't mean they are relevant today. I would wager,that of everyone that posted in this thread there might be one or two who even know what the sine of an angle is. Calculating seconds of a degree was a process that would take time. Today,with 3 mouse clicks we can measure angles.

and you still got the answer wrong

mineistaken · 11-10-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Si

The other one was worse because it actually had 2 different ways of being worked out and people couldn't seem to see it was written badly.

This one has only 1 answer.

Thats what I was trying to say. While we can understand people not getting that one right we can not understand people getting this one wrong. At least people over the age of 11.

FlexxAeon · 11-10-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Thats what I was trying to say. While we can understand people not getting that one right we can not understand people getting this one wrong. At least people over the age of 11.

my son takes offense to that statement!

2MuchMark · 11-10-2011, 01:26 PM

7 pages? WTF?

Si · 11-10-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

7 pages? WTF?

Want a beer?

WarChild · 11-10-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I'm not suggesting that the order of operations didn't exist 30 years ago. As new engineers we were all made aware of it. What I am saying is that it wasn't accepted in engineering school. Many trigonometric solutions were pages of calculations. We were required to do these without computers, which weren't available or hand held calculators. The precise nature of the work I chose doesn't allow for potentials. Only absolutes.

The fact that the basic laws of mathematics exist doesn't mean they are relevant today. I would wager,that of everyone that posted in this thread there might be one or two who even know what the sine of an angle is. Calculating seconds of a degree was a process that would take time. Today,with 3 mouse clicks we can measure angles.

So why are you being so stubborn on this? This isn't an advanced Trig question. This is a middle school level equation. You wouldn't see this in any university level course. It's fundamental math.

Of course the order of operations is still relevant today. If it weren't, how would you know that the brackets come first? How would you know you have to calculate exponents first? Are you suggesting that exponents must also be wrapped in brackets or we couldn't know if they're to be calculated first or not?

As an Engineer it really makes sense to you that at some point somebody decided to make the rules of math MORE complicated by requiring brackets where they haven't been needed for hundreds of years? Should we expect that soon you'll need to write 3^3 in an equation as (3*3*3) so as not to be ambigious when it's well understood already what it means?

You're really maintaining that MOST of the rules of of the order of operations still apply (brackets, exponents, left to right) but somewhere along the line multiplication and division before addition and substraction was dropped from it? Despite all the evidence to the contrary that's already been posted?

I really never would have pegged you as being this stubborn or as somebody that would be trolling in threads but clearly one of those two must be the case here.

moeloubani · 11-10-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I'm not suggesting that the order of operations didn't exist 30 years ago. As new engineers we were all made aware of it. What I am saying is that it wasn't accepted in engineering school. Many trigonometric solutions were pages of calculations. We were required to do these without computers, which weren't available or hand held calculators. The precise nature of the work I chose doesn't allow for potentials. Only absolutes.

The fact that the basic laws of mathematics exist doesn't mean they are relevant today. I would wager,that of everyone that posted in this thread there might be one or two who even know what the sine of an angle is. Calculating seconds of a degree was a process that would take time. Today,with 3 mouse clicks we can measure angles.

order of operations wasn't accepted in engineering school?

id hate to think of how many failed buildings happened because of this fantasy engineering school where order of operations isn't accepted. is 1+1 still 2 there? or is that not accepted?

just because you did that three clicks it doesnt mean that the computer did magic, those basic laws of mathematics still exist today and the computer uses them to process calculations

funny how you are insulting everyone in this thread but you yourself dont know the answer to a simple grade 6 math problem

FlexxAeon · 11-10-2011, 02:12 PM

Sadmep??

thickcash_amo · 11-10-2011, 02:15 PM

Seriously why are people still getting this shit wrong?!?!

Minte · 11-10-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

and you still got the answer wrong

Not true.
I provided the three possible solutions to an improperly designed question.

_Richard_ · 11-10-2011, 02:31 PM

i believe the whole point of this thread is the 'solution' not 'three possible solutions'

WarChild · 11-10-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Not true.
I provided the three possible solutions to an improperly designed question.

How can you be arrogant? There's only one possible solution.

Here's page after page of results from University websites that show you exactly how to do the equation. When following the rules, there's nothing ambigious about it, period.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-...w=1688&bih=759

Go ahead, let us know where you got your Engineering degree. Should be pretty simple to find their math department's order of operations online. We'll follow it and see if we end up with more than one possible solution.

Minte · 11-10-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

order of operations wasn't accepted in engineering school?

id hate to think of how many failed buildings happened because of this fantasy engineering school where order of operations isn't accepted. is 1+1 still 2 there? or is that not accepted?

just because you did that three clicks it doesnt mean that the computer did magic, those basic laws of mathematics still exist today and the computer uses them to process calculations

funny how you are insulting everyone in this thread but you yourself dont know the answer to a simple grade 6 math problem

How much engineering work have you done? Can you point out clients you successfully designed and engineered products for?

By the sound of your background you should send us a resume. We are always looking for bright young minds. We pay very well and have a solid benefit package with retirement benefits.

Minte · 11-10-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

How can you be arrogant? There's only one possible solution.

Here's page after page of results from University websites that show you exactly how to do the equation. When following the rules, there's nothing ambigious about it, period.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-...w=1688&bih=759

Go ahead, let us know where you got your Engineering degree. Should be pretty simple to find their math department's order of operations online. We'll follow it and see if we end up with more than one possible solution.

If it appears I am being arrogant about a simple math problem it would be because I have done this, in the real world my entire career. Literally I have worked with hundreds of engineers with many fortune 500 companies. So, what you see as arrogance is only life experience. If you go to Martin Marietta for a job and answer the question posed any other way than the way I answered it,you will not get the job. I worked for them right out of school as a data tech and I know that in those years that equation would be considered sloppy and ambiguous. If things have changed in other fields requiring math in 2011 I wouldn't know.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 11-10-2011, 02:55 PM

Can you explain the rules that determine when one must follow OOO and when one must not? And is there a reference for that? I can't find one.

WarChild · 11-10-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

If it appears I am being arrogant about a simple math problem it would be because I have done this, in the real world my entire career. Literally I have worked with hundreds of engineers with many fortune 500 companies. So, what you see as arrogance is only life experience. If you go to Martin Marietta for a job and answer the question posed any other way than the way I answered it,you will not get the job. I worked for them right out of school as a data tech and I know that in those years that equation would be considered sloppy and ambiguous. If things have changed in other fields requiring math in 2011 I wouldn't know.

You're being arrogant because you're insisting that you being an Engineer trumps every other source on Mathematics. It's silly on the face. You've been told, and shown over and over again that the Order of Operations has not changed, it demands that in the absence of brackets multiplication and division be done before addition and substraction

So if your argument is going to hinge entirely on you being an Engineer, and having a degree in Engineering, then by all means please tell us where you got this degree from. We can then see exactly how that school, the one that issued your degree, sees things. Shouldn't that be the absolute authority in your mind?

FlexxAeon · 11-10-2011, 02:56 PM

allow me to once again pull from the past....

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Originally Posted by Poindexterity

most of yall are some GIANT intellectual pussies.
NO ONE EVER DIED from admitting to being wrong. here, watch. I'll go first.

when i first looked at the title, i of course thought the answer was 1.
but then when someone came in and explained the actual order things go in with math, i realized the mistake i had made and now i see that the answer is 41.

see?
i was wrong.
i admitted it.
I STILL DRAW BREATH.

fuckers.

i took a nice little faceplant in a PHP thread recently. and though i know where my mistake came from, i had to eat crow first. got clowned on for 5-6 pages.

but i lived to fight another day and enjoy this thread!

WarChild · 11-10-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Can you explain the rules that determine when one must follow OOO and when one must not? And is there a reference for that? I can't find one.

Or explain in the absence of OOO, how do we know we must do brackets first? What rule specifies that?

_Richard_ · 11-10-2011, 02:59 PM

we should call the university of Minnesota and find out if THEY can get this right

WarChild · 11-10-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

we should call the university of Minnesota and find out if THEY can get this right

No need to call them. They've been nice enough to post online the information for any student who might need a refresher.

http://r.umn.edu/academics/advising/...of-operations/

So the Univeristy of Minnesota is wrong because it's a school not an Engineer. I wonder if other universities are also wrong?

moeloubani · 11-10-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

How much engineering work have you done? Can you point out clients you successfully designed and engineered products for?

By the sound of your background you should send us a resume. We are always looking for bright young minds. We pay very well and have a solid benefit package with retirement benefits.

no engineering work but i dont need to be an engineer to know the answer to a simple math problem

it is a straightforward question, BEDMAS means multiplication before addition and subtraction

that is all there is to it.

if someone gave you that question and your answer was anything but 41, you would be wrong. period. wrong.

2 + 4 x 3 = 14

you can't write it as (2+4) x 3 = 18 because then it would be the wrong answer

put it this way, if it were a + bc would you rewrite it as (a+b)c? of course not

grumpy · 11-10-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

How can you be arrogant? There's only one possible solution.

Here's page after page of results from University websites that show you exactly how to do the equation. When following the rules, there's nothing ambigious about it, period.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-...w=1688&bih=759

Go ahead, let us know where you got your Engineering degree. Should be pretty simple to find their math department's order of operations online. We'll follow it and see if we end up with more than one possible solution.

i'm on your side.
Simple math rules.
Minte, lets see the answer to this one 2+4x4=???

Oh yeah Minte, i will never work for you and i have done engineering for fortune 500 companies to. ( still do )

_Richard_ · 11-10-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

i'm on your side.
Simple math rules.
Minte, lets see the answer to this one 2+4x4=???

Oh yeah Minte, i will never work for you and i have done engineering for fortune 500 companies to. ( still do )

well lets see

which solution were you looking for? solution 1..? solution 2.. ?

Minte · 11-10-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

i'm on your side.
Simple math rules.
Minte, lets see the answer to this one 2+4x4=???

Oh yeah Minte, i will never work for you and i have done engineering for fortune 500 companies to. ( still do )

You have seen equations in industry written like that?

If you presented work that was written that way,you are right. You would never work for me.

Minte · 11-10-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

You're being arrogant because you're insisting that you being an Engineer trumps every other source on Mathematics. It's silly on the face. You've been told, and shown over and over again that the Order of Operations has not changed, it demands that in the absence of brackets multiplication and division be done before addition and substraction

So if your argument is going to hinge entirely on you being an Engineer, and having a degree in Engineering, then by all means please tell us where you got this degree from. We can then see exactly how that school, the one that issued your degree, sees things. Shouldn't that be the absolute authority in your mind?

Don't have a stroke. It's not worth getting so worked up over. I am NOT being arrogant.
If I want to be arrogant,there are plenty of other things that I can be arrogant about. Taking a posture on a math gag I learned in the beginning of my career isn't even on the list.

Madison is in Wisconsin. I went to school at the UW-Madison.

LeRoy · 11-10-2011, 03:55 PM

Team_Sakura says 41

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