bean-aid

Contacted her last night in attempt to help her out and no response

Where are you and why don't you want your site back online?

anexsia

I hope she takes you up on your offer, seems like a really good deal to me. Her content is pretty damn good amateur cuckolding and I'm sure if her website was done professionally it could be making bank in the cuckolding niche.

EukerVoorn

Beaner I'm mailing with her to discuss details about the bank that screwed her (closed her merchant account for no valid reason and kept her payments - she didn't have any chargebacks) - and I'll mail her now with recommendation that she should accept your offer, which is a good offer I think. Also did you get my mail?

wehateporn

I hope all works out, if she works with the right person she could do well

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bean-aid

No I didn't get your email.

mjmj00 at aol

or

webmaster at danaughty dot com

I've emailed her as well. The offer is very fair.

SwirlsGirl

You guys Euker,Beaner,Anexsia many many many thanks for all of your support. I have responded to your email beaner...it is a go! yes the offer is no doubt fair, and sounds very sincere!

Euker, I will be in touch with you too as soon as we get stabilized....hope you take my advice and tread carefully as my warnings were valid, and just because they sound sexy and friendly (you know who I am speaking of) does not mean they won't take your money too!

We are having crazy effect on the parasites....I have first hand confession by one of the parasites that they read every one of these threads of yours and mine, and they are very nervous about me posting more and more details of their fraud!

Any ways thanks again, you guys are awesome, and if I or my hubby can be of any help with anything, do not hesitate to reach out...

in this climate of uncertainty you need allies and a support system.... and you guys have already shown mad support and you have our respect and support as well!

Bladewire

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And it is a go!

EukerVoorn

Don't reflect your problems with certain institutes on me please. I have good experience with net-billing so far and I already explained to you that they are a gateway and not a bank and that I'm being hooked up with another bank than you were with. I support your efforts of naming and shaming the crooks just as long as you stick with the facts and name and shame the right people. In this case, that's the bank you're dealing with, not the gateway.

Also, in the end, if you don't want to take any risk, it's better not to run a business, but get a job instead, and get screwed by your boss. Even unemployed people get screwed. Life's a bitch and then you get cancer and puke out your stomach and shit out your bowel and die, so try to make the best out of it while you still can.

That's my advice to you

Tempest

I just see more drama coming from this... Wonder why...

WarChild

Fortunately her crack pot ass has been banned so it won't be happening on GFY.

You're right though, it's only a matter of time before Beaner is "ripping her off" for her hard earned money too. Every biller to date has been a problem, no reason to think a third part won't be also.

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NaughtyVisions

Nope. She was banned. So it should quietly fade away, unless dumb fucks like us keep posting in here.

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Tempest

People that are banned are allowed back here all the time until they've racked up 3 bans... She could have just been giving a 1 month timeout like so many others.

Even if she doesn't come back and post drama, beaner might..

spunky99

why was she banned? she was entertaining

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bean-aid

Time will tell how this goes, one thing for sure is I don't rip anyone off. I create sites, manage them and perfect them. That is what I do, and I'm good at it.

Around the new year a brand new cuckolding site will be created ;)

lagcam

In my opinion, being banned from here is the second best thing that could have happened to her business.

Passing administration to somebody who understands how to deal with banks and processors and can do it objectively and without excessive emotion even when you feel you have been shafted, is the best thing.

Good luck Beaner and Swirls.

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sarettah

Hey carzy... what were you banned over? I never did find out.


Thanx in advance.


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EukerVoorn

I must admit I didn't know what cuckolding is, till today I always read it as "cockholding" lol

I just looked it up on google:

"This is horrifying.

Cuckolding is the worst thing that can happen to a man. If my son would have the genes of another man my life would end. This is much worse than a rape and is accepted unpunished by the justice system. Rape can last for several minutes but this is years and years of deceit and lies. I despise all the men and women supporting/understanding this."

I guess you can't have cuckolding without the drama hahahaha

EukerVoorn

I must admit I didn't know what cuckolding is, till today I always read it as "cockholding" lol

I just looked it up on google:

"This is horrifying.

Cuckolding is the worst thing that can happen to a man. If my son would have the genes of another man my life would end. This is much worse than a rape and is accepted unpunished by the justice system. Rape can last for several minutes but this is years and years of deceit and lies. I despise all the men and women supporting/understanding this."

I guess you can't have cuckolding without the drama hahahaha

Bladewire

I like SwirlsGirl / Sara Swirls. I can't wait until her 30 day banning is over!

She's like that nutty aunt that's a bit wacky, but you love listening to her

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you-big-dummy

What the fuck did swirls do compared to Markham? ` His wrinkled ass trollin, swirls banned. ` Folks wanna know what's goin on in the biz, say somethin, get ya ass banned! `Crazy shit, man! `

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anexsia

Speaking of Sara Swirls, just got a sale on her site lol.

ArsewithClass

Fair play & congrats on the sale...

Her site was down the other day & it looks very amateur.... proves, the world still loves amateur content & homemade sites

Jakez

you-big-dummy

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Wicked 1

Was it a CCbill or Verotel sale ?.

I see both options on the join page

How do webmasters get paid for those Verotel joins ?.

anexsia

It was a $17 CCBill signup...lol at one point she literally had 4-5 billing options on her website, it was traffic leak central (not to mention the 20 cuckolding links with her ref code in at the bottom of her site).

The thing is though, is her content is gold in the cuckolding niche because most people into cuckolding don't want the manufactured crap that the bro sponsors put out, they want real amateur stuff like Sara does...so I think beaner made an excellent choice in making an offer to her and I can't wait to see the new site.

Sucks that she was banned, I understand why...but she's more of an asset to this board then someone like Paul Markham and I bet with her new site she'd be making more then Paul Markham lol.

EukerVoorn

Yes, Sara should stick to being content and let Beaner deal with the marketing, tech and financial stuff.

blackmonsters

For real : There is a "class" of surfers that when they see a super professional
design they immediately close the window.
They think the design means "corporate porn" with fake people who fake like they
enjoy sex and are only in it for the money. They think they will see non-exclusive content
with the standard angle shots and often that is exactly true.

Every video will end with the guy jerking his dick for 2 minutes to get a cum shot on the face/mouth.
Tell me that isn't true! You can't!

As soon as I put up a link to Swirls I got a sign up.
But I do hate how sites like hers want to link to other shit on the tour pages.
That makes me not promote them.

Bottom line : Surfers don't care about "design" they care about content.
They can't jerk off to a fucking design.


"High quality" porn sites are facing the same issue that "high quality" TV shows and
movies are facing. A standard of "high quality" has been set by both and the result
is that producers have to work in a "box" to achieve the standard on every production.
That results in all that shit being the same. Different people, same shit over and over.
100 percent predictable content. That's why reality TV shows are a big hit; because
despite shitty performers it is not predictable as to what will happen.
"Corporate porn" is actually scripted to get the "high quality" shot.
We all know what the "high quality" shot is by now and therefore the shot is 100
percent predictable.

The "element of surprise" has been completely eliminated by the concept of "high quality".
The element of surprise is the most powerful tool available to produce the
"shock effect".

So producers are trying to produce the shock effect by writing on chicks, putting
toilet seats around their necks, making damn near rape scenes etc...

Are surfers being shocked or just repulsed?

It might just be shocking for the surfer to be surprised that the scene didn't end
the same way every time.

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MrCain

She is probably busy adding more traffic leaks to her site.

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Freaky_Akula

Under a black guy?

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QFT

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The Porn Nerd

Good luck Beaner. I too create paysites and considered Sara (as I considered Paul Markham at one point) but I have a rule: never work with people who don't "get it", and clearly Sara and, to some extent Paul, do not "get it".

Therefore your working life with this person may be Hell on Earth. Hope it works out for you dude.

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I'm lost ...

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ArsewithClass

Exactly

Most of my scenes, I give some tips before the cameras roll, this way get full action shots from start to finish without needing to cut the film. I also know if it's just a BJ scene, full action, maybe laid on the back or doggy start off, which allows me to get into the positions to save missing any action shots like the closeups you want, the cock inserting inside the woman

Our content is as hardcore as you can get, filmed professionally with a steady hand but in an amateur non corporate way

signupdamnit

I agree with what you've said but I wanted to specifically quote this. It is so annoying to find a good program from a small sponsor and then discover something like they have an uncredited processor, they don't give you a cut from rebills, one day cookies, they have numerous traffic leaks,or they want to give you 20-40% instead of the customary 50%. I just want to shake them and say WTF don't you realize that you need us (affiliates) just as much as we need you?

I'd rather send my traffic to a small CCBill sponsor who I know needs me and will appreciate the 10 - 20 signups a month I might send them rather than some large program which will treat me like shit because I'm not running some tube which steals everyone elses' videos and has a ctr of .5% with a conversion ratio of 1:15,000 to send 3 signups a day. But many don't make it very easy for me. This is one of the most frustrating things about the business as an affiliate going into 2012.

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ArsewithClass

This is true.... I asked ccbill everything while setting up my account, which many do not. They explained to me about the cookies & the split fees. This way, I have done it right for our sponsors. Highest days of cookies, we pay ccbill fees and not the affiliate. We do not have leaks from our tours, galleries & members areas. The affiliate (the sales man) is as important as the editor, the hosting, the billing, the model, the content, the program owner... All needing each other to survive... Most important, the surfer (the traffic, the customer) The customer needs to be looked after with all respect, without the customer, we do not survive.

The most important thing in business is respect & communication. With these, people get what they want, they get paid & they can have the right tools for the right job

signupdamnit

A variation on a common phrase though: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't screwing you."

I think she was watching the numbers tank and getting very paranoid and suspicious. Not to mention frustrated. I can't say that I blame her. I've seen the same thing and I think many of us have. We only have different ways of handling it and compensating. I can tell you though that I'd do business with her before MANY other people in this industry.

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The Porn Nerd

Then you are a braver man than me. LOL On one level you may be right - she's just one person, not a mega-company out to screw you. But one can only IMAGINE the daily headaches she would cause any webmaster with her endless suspicions and accusations. GOOD LUCK BEANER.

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epitome

She always looks for somebody else to blame. Good luck, beaner, even if you do everything right you will probably become her main enemy in her mind.

I just hope she doesn't refuse to provide you with new content for the site when she convinces herself that you're screwing her.

Juicy D. Links

dehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

spunky99

ya i see that partnership going down in flames.. good luck

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bean-aid

All leaks will be gone

The site will remain totally amateur in look and flow with just a bit of professional touch...

Very excited about this new venture... sara and friends are good people and am very glad to have met them. Exciting stuff in the works!

anexsia

That's awesome, can't wait to promote the new site...I'm sure you'll be extremely happy you made the offer to her.

bean-aid

Well... this has been an interesting end of 2011 and here we are in the new year.

I have been coordinating with Sara and we are full speed ahead now

Very excited about what is coming up. In the meantime... we have removed all the leaks on the site. We are setting up ***ALL*** billing through CCBill which includes:

Phone
Cams
DVD
Site Subscription

Every one of these sales affiliates will get credit for. Phones, Cams, and DVD's are not currently processing so their is no lost sales. Phones will be setup within the next 2 days as we are awaiting account approval.

Cookies have been set to max... 255 days.

Just wanted to give a "soft" introduction to what is in store.

Finally, thank you Sara for trusting me to help coordinate and manage your site

I can say being involved with websites of both mainstream and adult... saraswirls.com has *the BEST* unique to signup ratio I have ever seen in adult. It's around 1:100 to 1:300 overall on a day to day comparison.

So if you have any traffic that might cater to the "cuckold" crowd... give it a shot

www.saraswirls.com

Feel free to contact me direct at:
ICQ # 360151609

anexsia

Thanks Beaner!!!!! Her website is the ONLY cuckolding site that seems to convert for me, I've only put up 2 posts on a blog and already made 2 sales just from a small trickle of traffic.

Couples things though:

Will the link traffic leaks at the bottom of the site be removed?

And I have noticed that the free hosted galleries that use this structure: http://saraswirls.com/swirlsgals2010....html?PA=xxxxx don't seem to track through CCBill? I have gotten around it by just hosting the galleries on my blog and using http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...A=XXXXXX&BAN=0 to link which does work.

Anyways, big thanks for working on this, can't wait to start throwing up more of her stuff and seeing how it does.

bean-aid

The links are gone at the bottom of the site

I will look into the tracking issue for the galleries. Also, if you see any leaks that go off the site (besides saraswirls.net) just let me know. There have been many pages created over the years and something might have been missed.