Obama administration comments on SOPA - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Cherry7 · 01-15-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

There is no reason to bring YouTube, Google or Facebook into this shit. Sue the people fucking up and let the rest of us go about our business.

There is a reason to bring them into this... They are making money directing people to stolen content, selling ads while people watch stolen content, and not wanting to regulate websites they control but just milk them for max profit.

blackmonsters · 01-15-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

There is no reason to bring YouTube, Google or Facebook into this shit. Sue the people fucking up and let the rest of us go about our business.

They wouldn't be in it if they were not publishing the content.
No surfer uploaded google images.

Google images is fucking ridiculous.
If google video worked like google images and the video would play while blocking
the actual webpage you would shit bricks when you saw you entire website ripped there.

blackmonsters · 01-15-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

The only people bringing YouTube, Google or Facebook into this are the people trying to use the fear of losing those sites in order to protect The Pirate Bay.

Read the freaking law...it says the site has to be nearly TOTALLY DEDICATED to the infringement of copyright. The sites you mentioned DO NOT fall under this definition. Furthermore, the entire law is geared towards FOREIGN ROGUE SITES that don't comply with DMCA. I've sent shitloads of DMCAs to Google, Youtube and Facebook and they comply with DMCAs. YouTube has 3 strikes, Facebook has similar and Google removes URLs from it's index within a few hours. These aren't the sites SOPA is concerned with. But if you want to keep being a tool for the Electronic Freeloader Foundation to spread fear mongering lies, you do it knowing you're being manipulated.

Exactly. Youtube is pretty much exempt from SOPA because it has way more legal content
than illegal uploads and does take down content when requested.

The claim that SOPA would shut down youtube is just plain garbage.
But we can always count on "spin" coming from violators to suck in naive people.

stocktrader23 · 01-15-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

The only people bringing YouTube, Google or Facebook into this are the people trying to use the fear of losing those sites in order to protect The Pirate Bay.

Yeah, nobody brings them into it at all. There aren't any idiots, especially in this very thread, that equate Google images with copyright infringement. Oh way, there is a page two.

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

There is a reason to bring them into this... They are making money directing people to stolen content, selling ads while people watch stolen content, and not wanting to regulate websites they control but just milk them for max profit.

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

They wouldn't be in it if they were not publishing the content.
No surfer uploaded google images.

Google images is fucking ridiculous.
If google video worked like google images and the video would play while blocking
the actual webpage you would shit bricks when you saw you entire website ripped there.

porno jew · 01-15-2012, 02:04 PM

since sopa is only going after foreign websites which foreign websites do you perceived as stealing sales from you? can you name one?

Half man, Half Amazing · 01-15-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

since sopa is only going after foreign websites which foreign websites do you perceived as stealing sales from you? can you name one?

Why? Just so you can play the 'download isn't a lost sale' argument and feel like that wins you the debate?

Half man, Half Amazing · 01-15-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Yeah, nobody brings them into it at all. There aren't any idiots, especially in this very thread, that equate Google images with copyright infringement. Oh way, there is a page two.

Way to dodge my entire post. It's okay that you can't answer my reply but hold me accountable to what another person said.

Good dodge.

You are making the point that people bringing up Google, FB or YT in this thread somehow means that SOPA is targeting Google, FB and YT is a nice attempt to obfuscate the issue. EFF would be proud of you.

GregE · 01-15-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

Pirates operating out of the Ukraine and Slovakia is a bit of a hassle no? Pirates that don't give a shit about a ruling in an American court. Pirates that hide behind Chinese and Ukrainian whois protect services that have no physical address and an email that bounces. Pirates that are using ISP's based in the Netherlands who are havens for spammers, phishers and content thieves and could care less about a US lawsuit. Pirates who operate off not .com's or .net's and instead use domains outside of any US jurisdiction.

Exactly.

And the real rub here is that is precisely those aspects of (the original) SOPA, which worry people the most, that are in fact the only tools that will work against the offenders you've just described.

It's an ugly situation and, as is all too often the case, pretty solutions don't often lend themselves to such.

Whatever ultimately goes down however, I don't think there can be much question as to who paved the way.

Half man, Half Amazing · 01-15-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Exactly.

And the real rub here is that is precisely those aspects of (the original) SOPA, which worry people the most, that are in fact the only tools that will work against the offenders you've just described.

It's an ugly situation and, as is all too often the case, pretty solutions don't often lend themselves to such.

Whatever ultimately goes down however, I don't think there can be much question as to who paved the way.

It would have been nice to see the criminal organizations like the Phaze group, Liam Jones' network and the HornyWhores/LiveMedia crime rings have to defend themselves. But luckily for them they are protected by people who think that any law the government passes will take away their cute kitten videos on YouTube. The criminals are loving all the free lobbying being done on their behalf.

GregE · 01-15-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

It would have been nice to see the criminal organizations like the Phaze group, Liam Jones' network and the HornyWhores/LiveMedia crime rings have to defend themselves. But luckily for them they are protected by people who think that any law the government passes will take away their cute kitten videos on YouTube. The criminals are loving all the free lobbying being done on their behalf.

Sad but true.

Operator · 01-15-2012, 04:59 PM

Electing cats and dogs

chaze · 01-15-2012, 05:26 PM

There does need to be a service that keeps track of all content rights and sales. So you can simply plug in the content owners name to see if they are registered to use the content.

A central registered content database.

All content providers would need to file all sales there.

And of course you would need to pay to use it.

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chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	There does need to be a service that keeps track of all content rights and sales. So you can simply plug in the content owners name to see if they are registered to use the content. A central registered content database. All content providers would need to file all sales there. And of course you would need to pay to use it.