Streaming SD Video - What Do You Do? Also, anybody have some Compressor settings droplets? - GoFuckYourself.com

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-18-2012, 06:24 AM

I have hundreds of hours of video shot in SD (Standard Def) that I am planning to re-encode to h.264 .mp4 (not .mov) web streaming videos, and so I am curious what other people are doing with their SD footage?

Do you leave it as SD or try to convert it to HD?

What resolutions (video frame size) and data rates (speed in kbps) are you using?

Do you use Apple ProRes 422 to combine video clips shot on both SD and HD cameras? I'm feeling that it is more time/trouble than it is worth, although in making some trailers and other specialized videos, it would be nice to use video shot on different cameras.

I'm also neck deep in the tedious process of trying to come up with a good batch setting for encoding my videos using Apple Compressor 3 or 4, so I am wondering if anyone has created a good set of codecs that I can get a droplet of to try out?

I found Sorenson Squeeze sites that have loads of codec settings that can be downloaded and used, but I have not found anything similar for Compressor. Does anyone know of such a site?

Thanks,

ADG

borked · 01-18-2012, 06:52 AM

Im no good on encoding presets, but if you encode in .mov you can still stream as h.264 mp4 by using wowza as your streaming server... If the number of vids is important you will get a massive reduction in drive space by using mov

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-18-2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by borked

Im no good on encoding presets, but if you encode in .mov you can still stream as h.264 mp4 by using wowza as your streaming server... If the number of vids is important you will get a massive reduction in drive space by using mov

Thanks for the input...btw, your name comes up often when I ask people who is a guru on techie issues.

Several people have told me to stick with .mp4:

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Since both formats record the same lossy compression methods, they are almost interchangeable in an Apple environment. You can even convert a file from MOV to MP4 and vice versa without having to re-encode the video. But outside of the Apple operating system, you might run into some problems.

As MP4 is an industry standard, it has greater support in operating systems other than Apple?s. Most, if not all media players, that are available in various operating systems support this file format. Even in hand held devices like video players and gaming devices, you are more likely to find MP4 capabilities than MOV.

To sum it up, MOV and MP4 are just containers and they do not present any real effect on the quality of the encoded videos. That is up to the codec like H.264 and the others.

Choosing between MOV and MP4 should be based solely on where you want to play the resulting videos. If it is only meant to circulate around the Mac community, then you are pretty safe with MOV but if you want to put it in your PSP or any other non Apple portable device, then you are better off with MP4

I have nothing against .mov - when I was only offering progressive downloads, I used .mov most of the time (since I am a Mac-head myself). In fact, I export all of my videos as self-contained Quicktime (.mov) movies, for import into Compressor for encoding, and also for archival purposes for when the next new big thing comes along (which is about every 2-4 years these days).

There was some other big reason why I opted awhile back to go with .mp4, but I can't recall what it is at the moment (been up working all night so I'm kind of fuzzy around the edges right now).

Here are a few examples of what I have come up with so far:

http://beta.asiandivagirls.com

Don't worry too much about the quality of the videos - these samples were deliberately chosen because one is lowlight (underexposed), and the other has blown out backlighting (overexposed), plus there are lots of transitions, to test how well the video comes back together after being disrupted by transitions (which cause the video encoder to have to re-draw every pixel in every single frame over the transition).

If I can come up with a decent set of codecs for adaptive bitrate streaming on both PC's and the most popular mobile devices with that type of content, then content that was shot under better conditions should look pristine (or at least pretty damn good).

ADG

DWB · 01-18-2012, 07:56 AM

Did you get that email I sent you? Replied to your big one.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-18-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Did you get that email I sent you? Replied to your big one.

My big one?!?

Yes, I did, thanks!

Sent you a big reply...

ADG

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-18-2012, 05:28 PM

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crash_jackson · 01-18-2012, 06:25 PM

I could let you know the h264 settings I use through compressor if you want to hit me up on ICQ. As for mixing SD and HD footage, if you want to go with an eventual HD output, I'd probably size up the SD using compressor's format conversions (assuming the SD is in 16x9?). Compressor 3 has much improved resizing and retiming algorithms so you'll get good quality, then just edit the stuff in FCP. I don't think I'd encode SD footage in HD though for the websites. For my sites if I have SD footage I keep the high quality version in SD. Its going to be no different when they fullscreen it than if you offer it to them as an HD file (quality will probably be lower actually as it'll have more pixels of information to deal with for the same bitrate). Good luck! Messing around with compressor settings is always such a headache.

Operator · 01-18-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-18-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_jackson

I could let you know the h264 settings I use through compressor if you want to hit me up on ICQ. As for mixing SD and HD footage, if you want to go with an eventual HD output, I'd probably size up the SD using compressor's format conversions (assuming the SD is in 16x9?). Compressor 3 has much improved resizing and retiming algorithms so you'll get good quality, then just edit the stuff in FCP. I don't think I'd encode SD footage in HD though for the websites. For my sites if I have SD footage I keep the high quality version in SD. Its going to be no different when they fullscreen it than if you offer it to them as an HD file (quality will probably be lower actually as it'll have more pixels of information to deal with for the same bitrate). Good luck! Messing around with compressor settings is always such a headache.

I don't use ICQ, so please e-mail me and I will send you the details:

webmaster (AT) asiandivagirls (dot) com

Thanks,

ADG

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-18-2012, 10:36 PM

Bump for the evening shift...

If anyone reading this could please check out the sample videos posted on the link below, and give me your feedback, I would really appreciate it.

The top video is short (only 27 seconds), and while the bottom video is over 9 minutes, I made it that long so that I could test skipping ahead on the playbar, check the video at full screen resolution, etc.

http://beta.asiandivagirls.com/

Thanks,

ADG

mikesouth · 01-19-2012, 12:01 AM

i would absolutely go with the MP4 container and h.264

you choices will be limited to begin with as the High profile doesnt work for SD, so you will be stuck with baseline or main. use cabac on main. go for a bitrate around 2mbps for decent quality and dont upscale it to HD unless its shot in 16:9 format....then try the upscale and see if you like it but remember most people will do that anyway by making it full screen....its better to keep it SD and raise the bit rate than to up res it to hd and get much larger files.

hope this helps

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-19-2012, 12:34 AM

Thanks Mike!

That sounds like a good strategy for my older SD content...

ADG

mikesouth · 01-19-2012, 01:09 AM

happy to help did you get the email i sent ya?

borked · 01-19-2012, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Thanks for the input...btw, your name comes up often when I ask people who is a guru on techie issues.

Several people have told me to stick with .mp4:

I have nothing against .mov - when I was only offering progressive downloads, I used .mov most of the time (since I am a Mac-head myself). In fact, I export all of my videos as self-contained Quicktime (.mov) movies, for import into Compressor for encoding, and also for archival purposes for when the next new big thing comes along (which is about every 2-4 years these days).

There was some other big reason why I opted awhile back to go with .mp4, but I can't recall what it is at the moment (been up working all night so I'm kind of fuzzy around the edges right now).

Here are a few examples of what I have come up with so far:

http://beta.asiandivagirls.com

Don't worry too much about the quality of the videos - these samples were deliberately chosen because one is lowlight (underexposed), and the other has blown out backlighting (overexposed), plus there are lots of transitions, to test how well the video comes back together after being disrupted by transitions (which cause the video encoder to have to re-draw every pixel in every single frame over the transition).

If I can come up with a decent set of codecs for adaptive bitrate streaming on both PC's and the most popular mobile devices with that type of content, then content that was shot under better conditions should look pristine (or at least pretty damn good).

ADG

Nah, I do agree that h.264 id the way forward, for a multitude of reasons but mainly quality, less load on wowza (as no on-the-fly conversion is needed), direct html5 support so no need to pass thru flash.

I liked the picture quality of the second one the best (if they are all identical quality to start with), but I know jack about encoding!

In any case, lock those streams down bud - they are wide open. I was able to easily download the vids, but worse that that I could run up your bandwidth... example of html5:
http://borkedcoder.com/adg/
(bandwidth courtesy of ADG)

(note, Mozilla-based browsers don't support .mp4 for html5, only .ogv, so use Safari or IE).

01-18-2012, 06:24 AM	#1
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Streaming SD Video - What Do You Do? Also, anybody have some Compressor settings droplets? I have hundreds of hours of video shot in SD (Standard Def) that I am planning to re-encode to h.264 .mp4 (not .mov) web streaming videos, and so I am curious what other people are doing with their SD footage? Do you leave it as SD or try to convert it to HD? What resolutions (video frame size) and data rates (speed in kbps) are you using? Do you use Apple ProRes 422 to combine video clips shot on both SD and HD cameras? I'm feeling that it is more time/trouble than it is worth, although in making some trailers and other specialized videos, it would be nice to use video shot on different cameras. I'm also neck deep in the tedious process of trying to come up with a good batch setting for encoding my videos using Apple Compressor 3 or 4, so I am wondering if anyone has created a good set of codecs that I can get a droplet of to try out? I found Sorenson Squeeze sites that have loads of codec settings that can be downloaded and used, but I have not found anything similar for Compressor. Does anyone know of such a site? Thanks, ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

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crash_jackson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 591	I could let you know the h264 settings I use through compressor if you want to hit me up on ICQ. As for mixing SD and HD footage, if you want to go with an eventual HD output, I'd probably size up the SD using compressor's format conversions (assuming the SD is in 16x9?). Compressor 3 has much improved resizing and retiming algorithms so you'll get good quality, then just edit the stuff in FCP. I don't think I'd encode SD footage in HD though for the websites. For my sites if I have SD footage I keep the high quality version in SD. Its going to be no different when they fullscreen it than if you offer it to them as an HD file (quality will probably be lower actually as it'll have more pixels of information to deal with for the same bitrate). Good luck! Messing around with compressor settings is always such a headache. __________________ Amateur Japanese Babes - ARX Bucks HD Japanese, Interracial, Shemale Skype: southbaycontent

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Bump for the evening shift... If anyone reading this could please check out the sample videos posted on the link below, and give me your feedback, I would really appreciate it. The top video is short (only 27 seconds), and while the bottom video is over 9 minutes, I made it that long so that I could test skipping ahead on the playbar, check the video at full screen resolution, etc. http://beta.asiandivagirls.com/ Thanks, ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare) Last edited by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude; 01-18-2012 at 10:41 PM..

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	i would absolutely go with the MP4 container and h.264 you choices will be limited to begin with as the High profile doesnt work for SD, so you will be stuck with baseline or main. use cabac on main. go for a bitrate around 2mbps for decent quality and dont upscale it to HD unless its shot in 16:9 format....then try the upscale and see if you like it but remember most people will do that anyway by making it full screen....its better to keep it SD and raise the bit rate than to up res it to hd and get much larger files. hope this helps __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Thanks Mike! That sounds like a good strategy for my older SD content... ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	happy to help did you get the email i sent ya? __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.