Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by porno jew

how many people sued perfect 10 when they falsely got their sites removed from google?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Is abusing the law and making false complaints illegal? Yes or no?

I don't know about your perfect 10 example but I don't see how you get immunity from the law if you abuse it? Is there something I am not seeing here?

Originally Posted by porno jew

you are not seeing with sopa you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent in the courts. if you don't see what is wrong with that there is not much one can say.

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

hmmm, I don't have to police my car, If law enforcement seen someone breaking into it they would arrest and press charges on the person. We need the internet policed, and I'de be happy to pay taxes for that.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

1) You did not answer my question: Doe's abusing/breaking ANY law land you in legal trouble?

2) I can, just for arguments sake, if I was your next door neighbor, call the police and say "porno jew shot his wife and kids!!! HEEEEEELLLLPPP!"

now lets not pretend that you would be "considered innocent until proven guilty" the police would kick your door in and probably kick you to the ground and brutally arrest you.

Are you saying I would not be in any trouble at all? Are you saying you could not sue me for lots of $$$$ compensation?

I seem to be missing something here because I really don't see the problem?

Originally Posted by porno jew

sure you can sue, but in the meantime you business is destroyed. do you think that is right?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

So basically you are afraid that somebody may risk his freedom by making a false SOPA complaint against you, even though he is bound to get caught and convicted?

You actually fear somebody may be willing to certainly give up his freedom just to cause your website possible short term damage and give you a guaranteed fat wallet when you sue his ass separately from the state who is already holding him accountable for abuse of the law?

You think the 10.000-s of dollars of legal fees, the 10.000s of dollars compensation he will have to pay to you to cover your lost business/lawyers/damage and the certain jail time the state will give him for abusing the law, will all be worth the effort to him???

Can't say that I understand...

Originally Posted by Blingbaby

Bullshit! You lock your car don't you? You don't park it in bad neighborhoods. Maybe even install alarm systems and/or tracking devices in case of theft. Don't give me this crap about the police as if they are standing next to your car ready to arrest anyone, or worse as this SOPA analogy would have it, arrest everyone pre-emptively for possibly thinking about stealing it.

Originally Posted by Splum

Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by porno jew

a large percentage of dmca's submitted to google are false, usually sent by competitors. why is this hard to comprehend people will do the same with sopa?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by dynastoned

this is the internet who says they wont respond to anonymous complaints?

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Anyone smart enough to fart without shitting his pants

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

"In the United States, under Federal law, the general perjury statute provides for a sentence of up to 5 years in prison, 18 USC 1621."

Are you saying the law does not apply for these false complaints?

Originally Posted by porno jew

yes i understand that idiot. the point is that going to court to get your site back online is bullshit. thus the opposition.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

what is bullshit is the false fear based on the false presumption that somebody would actually risk his/her own freedom to file a false complaint

Originally Posted by dynastoned

the idea for these bills sounds good but there is way too much gray area. this is the internet people and these are computers. there are loopholes around EVERYTHING. these new bills wont stop piracy it'll just make people who want illegal shit a little more computer savvy.

Originally Posted by u-Bob

There's empirical data that suggests otherwise. Google already stated that over half of the DMCA notices they receive are fake (from people trying to hurt their competitors).

Originally Posted by crucifissio

This is indeed a curious statistic.

I have no Idea why they don't sue their asses off for filing false complaints, and to be honest I do not care...

Originally Posted by darnit

I think we need to think outside of our small little boxes. The porn biz which admittedly has been transformed by piracy as most media which easily translates to bits and bytes.

Originally Posted by u-Bob

There's empirical data that suggests otherwise. Google already stated that over half of the DMCA notices they receive are fake (from people trying to hurt their competitors).

Originally Posted by porno jew

but in the meantime you business is destroyed. do you think that is right?

Originally Posted by porno jew

sure you can sue, but in the meantime you business is destroyed. do you think that is right?

Originally Posted by u-Bob

What I don't understand is why those that complain most about piracy don't sue people (and haven't been suing people). Do they really believe that giving more power to the government will result in a government that does all the work for them and that starts defending the interests of porn companies? One of the proposed amendments to SOPA was to make sure that no tax dollars would ever be spent (I think the politicians used the word "wasted") on fighting porn piracy.

Originally Posted by DWB

Then it would be a good idea to not load content that isn't yours to your site.

Originally Posted by DWB

Then it would be a good idea to not load content that isn't yours to your site.

Originally Posted by porno jew

well considering 50% of dmca's to google are fake and by competitors don't be naive, the same thing will be done with sopa.

funny how the so-called anti-government "libertarians" want the government to get involved in this case. i think their libertarianism only applies to the right to snort coke and fuck teenagers.

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Don't let facts like that stop the fucktards thinking SOPA will make it rains sales like it was 1995.

Originally Posted by DWB

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

thank you

Originally Posted by DWB

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

What part of "sites primarily devoted to piracy" don't you understand?

Calm down.

The government isn't sending men in black helicopters to shut down your sites or drown your kittens.
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

That's "your" interpretation of the law. The law clearly states, the "government" has the right to shut down any site they "think" could be a form of piracy. It isn't a law, but a manipulation by lobbyists paid by companies to control the public.

Originally Posted by Splum

Do you people realize that if these laws pass it will allow your ISP to continually do "deep packet inspection" on your connection at all times?

That means they can essentially and legally keep track of everything that you do and give that data to whomever is authorize by the law to have it... aka the US government.

And all this WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.

Originally Posted by Splum

Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

Originally Posted by u-Bob

In the EU, newspaper groups have been and are lobbying to reform copyright laws and regulations so that copyright will also apply to titles of newspaper articles. Let's say those big news corporations ever manage to get similar proposals passed in the US, then anyone who writes an article titled "Manwin Acquires Digital Playground" on his own blog will be in trouble.

Originally Posted by Splum

Piracy outweighs Privacy?

Seriously did you just imply that?

Originally Posted by u-Bob

In the EU, newspaper groups have been and are lobbying to reform copyright laws and regulations so that copyright will also apply to titles of newspaper articles. Let's say those big news corporations ever manage to get similar proposals passed in the US, then anyone who writes an article titled "Manwin Acquires Digital Playground" on his own blog will be in trouble.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Sorry but this is simply not possible...

Nominative use will always be legal. You can mention/identify a product by its name even compare it to competing products. This will never change. Ever.

Google Nominative use...

Originally Posted by porno jew

he is talking about something different. i don't think you read before you respond.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?