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Old 01-20-2012, 10:35 AM   #251
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right now in congress senetor backing sopa are saying they need the law to go after foreign infringers because the current laws don't cut it

taking down a foreign infringer with the current "inferior" laws absolutely proves that argument false.
Except that it is my understanding that MegaUpload.com is not a "foreign site" as that term is defined under SOPA.

Under SOPA both the terms "foreign site" and "foreign domain name" are defined in the negative -- meaning that they are defined as an "internet site that is not a domestic Internet site," and "a domain name that is not a domestic domain name."

Here is SOPA's statutory definition of a domestic domain name:

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As the argument goes (and it's an argument the U.S. courts have accepted, thus far), since all .COMs are under the auspices of Verisign, by the statutory definition above, all .COM sites, including MegaUpload.com, are "domestic." This has actually been identified as an ironic weakness of SOPA by some of its critics, in fact.

Further, under Section 102 of SOPA, a "foreign infringing site" is a site that "would, by reason of acts described in paragraph (1), be subject to seizure in the United States in an action brought by the Attorney General if such site were a domestic Internet site."

I think it is safe to conclude, based on the fact that MegaUpload.com has now been seized in an action brought by the US Attorney General (actions taken by the US DOJ are actions taken on behalf of the US AG), that MU is therefore NOT a foreign infringing site as that term is defined under SOPA.
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If i were kickasstorrents, i would be pretty worried!
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fuck sake. i wanted to download a file from there in my bookmarks
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:18 AM   #254
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fuck sake. i wanted to download a file from there in my bookmarks
I'm sure Google will help you find it on another filehost.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:27 AM   #255
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i am selling my megaupload premium account, expire jan 2013, 10% discount. any takers?
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:34 AM   #256
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If i were kickasstorrents, i would be pretty worried!
They dumped the Kickasstorrent.com domain a while ago, as did a bunch of other torrent sites as well.

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pornbay.org, those are the guys who stealing your sales, not mega crew
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Whether it was 'framed' or not, how else could you construe such an attack?
Anons call it protesting
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Not to take sides but how this site was ever alive I never got.

I mean they have tons of illegal stuff on there, everyone knows it.

I don't think they need SOPA to deal with such obvious file trading.
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Except that it is my understanding that MegaUpload.com is not a "foreign site" as that term is defined under SOPA.

Under SOPA both the terms "foreign site" and "foreign domain name" are defined in the negative -- meaning that they are defined as an "internet site that is not a domestic Internet site," and "a domain name that is not a domestic domain name."

Here is SOPA's statutory definition of a domestic domain name:



As the argument goes (and it's an argument the U.S. courts have accepted, thus far), since all .COMs are under the auspices of Verisign, by the statutory definition above, all .COM sites, including MegaUpload.com, are "domestic." This has actually been identified as an ironic weakness of SOPA by some of its critics, in fact.

Further, under Section 102 of SOPA, a "foreign infringing site" is a site that "would, by reason of acts described in paragraph (1), be subject to seizure in the United States in an action brought by the Attorney General if such site were a domestic Internet site."

I think it is safe to conclude, based on the fact that MegaUpload.com has now been seized in an action brought by the US Attorney General (actions taken by the US DOJ are actions taken on behalf of the US AG), that MU is therefore NOT a foreign infringing site as that term is defined under SOPA.
then why did they take down the non US servers, domains and cash.

if this only happened because it was .com then DOJ seriously over stepped their bounds.
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Not to take sides but how this site was ever alive I never got.

I mean they have tons of illegal stuff on there, everyone knows it.

I don't think they need SOPA to deal with such obvious file trading.
youtube has illegal stuff on it. its reported and removed
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You mean 50 years in federal prison sucking Bubba's dick every day? Go ahead.
She wasn't referring to that lifestyle, but it probably is the icing on the cake for her.

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Anons call it protesting
If it's all a carefully planned conspiracy against Anon, why assume an actual DDOS even happened?
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If it's all a carefully planned conspiracy against Anon, why assume an actual DDOS even happened?
actually i don't 100% assume it was anon, but i haven't been wearing my 10-gallon tinfoil hat lately, only my tinfoil beanie

plus, anyone with loic and a guy fawkes mask can be/is anon so it's more than likely
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The porn industry could have celebrated if it was Oron or Filesonic taken down...not sure if some here don't realize that Oron is the one that holds a LARGE number of porn videos, from the biggest content all the way down to the small niche/fetish videos. Megaupload was more movies,games, and nulled scripts.
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Actually, MegaUpload was full of adult content and had many other names (MegaErotic, etc.).

The full 72 page indictment: http://truebabes.com/mega.pdf
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Actually, MegaUpload was full of adult content and had many other names (MegaErotic, etc.).

The full 72 page indictment:
I'm upto page 25 on the indictment and its pretty damning. And its stuff that the majority of us in this industry have know for a while.

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22. When a file is being uploaded to Megaupload.com, the Conspiracy’s automated system calculates a unique identifier for the file (called a “MD5 hash”) that is generated using a mathematical algorithm. If, after the MD5 hash calculation, the system determines that the uploading file already exists on a server controlled by the Mega Conspiracy, Megaupload.com does not reproduce a second copy of the file on that server. Instead, the system provides a new and unique URL link to the new user that is pointed to the original file already present on the server. If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder to terminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will fail because the additional access links will continue to be available.

23. The infringing copy of the copyrighted work, therefore, remains on the Conspiracy’s systems (and accessible to at least one member of the public) as long as a single 11 link remains unknown to the copyright holder. The Conspiracy’s internal reference database tracks the links that have been generated by the system, but duplicative links to infringing materials are neither disclosed to copyright holders, nor are they automatically deleted when a copyright holder either uses the Abuse Tool or makes a standard DMCA copyright infringement takedown request. During the course of the Conspiracy, the Mega Conspiracy has received many millions of requests (through the Abuse Tool and otherwise) to remove infringing copies of copyrighted works and yet the Conspiracy has, at best, only deleted the particular URL ofw hich the copyright holder complained, and purposefully left the actual infringing copy of the copyrighted work on the Mega Conspiracy-controlled server and any other access links completely intact.
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54. It was further part of the Conspiracy, from at least September 2005 until July 2011, that the Conspiracy provided financial incentives for users to upload infringing copies of popular copyrighted works. The Conspiracy made payments to uploaders who were known to have uploaded infringing copies of copyrighted works.

55. It was further part of the Conspiracy that members of the Conspiracy generally did not terminate the user accounts of known copyright infringing users, when it had the right and ability under its Terms of Service to do so.

56. It was further part of the Conspiracy that the Conspiracy made no significant effort to identify users who were using the Mega Sites or services to infringe copyrights, to prevent the uploading of infringing copies of copyrighted materials, or to identify infringing copies of copyrighted works located on computer servers controlled by the Conspiracy.
Sorry for the spam, but so far, these are pretty important when it comes to safe harbour under the DMCA Act.
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Sorry for the spam, but so far, these are pretty important when it comes to safe harbour under the DMCA Act.
Those are very important parts indeed, thanks for posting.
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Actually, MegaUpload was full of adult content and had many other names (MegaErotic, etc.).

The full 72 page indictment: http://truebabes.com/mega.pdf
Oh I never said they didn't have a bunch of adult on there, it's just that most of porn video searches include Oron. You didn't see megaupload links nearly as much as Oron for porn.
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I'm upto page 25 on the indictment and its pretty damning. And its stuff that the majority of us in this industry have know for a while.





Sorry for the spam, but so far, these are pretty important when it comes to safe harbour under the DMCA Act.
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22. When a file is being uploaded to Megaupload.com, the Conspiracy?s automated system calculates a unique identifier for the file (called a ?MD5 hash?) that is generated using a mathematical algorithm. If, after the MD5 hash calculation, the system determines that the uploading file already exists on a server controlled by the Mega Conspiracy, Megaupload.com does not reproduce a second copy of the file on that server. Instead, the system provides a new and unique URL link to the new user that is pointed to the original file already present on the server. If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder to terminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will fail because the additional access links will continue to be available.

23. The infringing copy of the copyrighted work, therefore, remains on the Conspiracy?s systems (and accessible to at least one member of the public) as long as a single 11 link remains unknown to the copyright holder. The Conspiracy?s internal reference database tracks the links that have been generated by the system, but duplicative links to infringing materials are neither disclosed to copyright holders, nor are they automatically deleted when a copyright holder either uses the Abuse Tool or makes a standard DMCA copyright infringement takedown request. During the course of the Conspiracy, the Mega Conspiracy has received many millions of requests (through the Abuse Tool and otherwise) to remove infringing copies of copyrighted works and yet the Conspiracy has, at best, only deleted the particular URL ofw hich the copyright holder complained, and purposefully left the actual infringing copy of the copyrighted work on the Mega Conspiracy-controlled server and any other access links completely intact.
so if person a put a video that he want to backup on mega upload but doesn't share with anyone (and therefore stays hidden from the copyright holder)

you want his backup to be wiped out because someone else decides to infringe (share)

or are you saying your expecting mega upload to put up 11 copies of the content waste resources and completely eliminate the network effect benefits.

If they did that the same exact consequence would happen (only the reported one would go down)
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or are you saying your expecting mega upload to put up 11 copies of the content waste resources and completely eliminate the network effect benefits.

If they did that the same exact consequence would happen (only the reported one would go down)
Yes. Each uploader to upload a file. Their system resources are not our problem.

Full file removal and a proper ban for repeat infringers.

"your expecting mega upload to put up 11 copies of the content" and technically, MU or any other filehost shouldn't be putting anything anywhere.
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so if person a put a video that he want to backup on mega upload but doesn't share with anyone (and therefore stays hidden from the copyright holder)

you want his backup to be wiped out because someone else decides to infringe (share)
Working on your theory

I suppose its just a coincidence that the file someone is "backing up" happens to have the same md5 hash as a file being shared by a ton of piraters?

Mainstream movies that are pirated by scene or p2p groups have multiple different filenames and filesizes dependant on that group. If a user is backing up a file that has all of the same information as a pirated "backup" then that isn't coincidence is it?

Give it up.
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What happened is a huge victory for legit content producers and it cripples piracy tremendously. Because starting today filelockers are now being known as "criminal" which means that a growing amount of companies and individuals won't want to work with/for them anymore. And that includes Visa, MasterCard and PayPal. Of course it's impossible to kill piracy completely but severely crippling it will be second best.
Because of the crime stigma, future innovations in piracy that might have developed to quench demand will be perceived as much riskier investments.
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And another thing - Filesonic, Oron and other filehosts allow their servers to be indexed by search engines. Meaning someone can "backup" a file and it will be available to the general public for download. This isn't acceptable.
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Yes. Each uploader to upload a file. Their system resources are not our problem.

Full file removal and a proper ban for repeat infringers.
so your demanding the deliberate fucking over of people who are not sharing a single thing
committing no infringement at all

Your talking about taking away their right to backup the content they paid for.





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"your expecting mega upload to put up 11 copies of the content" and technically, MU or any other filehost shouldn't be putting anything anywhere.
and they aren't they are simply connecting the identical files together to minimize costs.
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And another thing - Filesonic, Oron and other filehosts allow their servers to be indexed by search engines. Meaning someone can "backup" a file and it will be available to the general public for download. This isn't acceptable.
only if the "back up"er put the link into the public somehow

Of course in this example that would be the links that could be found.

The links the copyright holder couldn't find, those are people who specifically choose to use the service as a completely hidden, only accessible by themselves service.
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so your demanding the deliberate fucking over of people who are not sharing a single thing
committing no infringement at all

Your talking about taking away their right to backup the content they paid for.
No I'm not. They can back up separately from other uploaders. One person uploads, they get a link for that upload back in return, associated to the relevant file.







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they aren't they are simply connecting the identical files together to minimize costs.
And therefore, they don't qualify for safe harbor.
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50 million unique visitors a day now learning that what they were doing is not legal and that people are watching and taking actions.

Few more of these should really wake up those people who don't think they're breaking the law downloading any movie they want for free.

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50 million unique visitors a day now learning that what they were doing is not legal and that people are watching and taking actions.
Feds should put some banners up.
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Old 01-21-2012, 02:31 AM   #289
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Would be nice if pornolab.net will end like this too...
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Wow, megaupload has an alexa rank of 72!! Insane! Other File sharing sites must be shitting in their pants.
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The porn industry could have celebrated if it was Oron or Filesonic taken down...not sure if some here don't realize that Oron is the one that holds a LARGE number of porn videos, from the biggest content all the way down to the small niche/fetish videos.
Including illegal ones like "zoo", "scat" etc...
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:25 AM   #292
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Wow, megaupload has an alexa rank of 72!! Insane! Other File sharing sites must be shitting in their pants.
They are already. Check this out: http://www.wjunction.com/14-news-cur...rget-list.html
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:26 AM   #293
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I dont see how they can shut down an entire site that is not solely hosted in the US.

So in theory could they shutdown YouTube?

What about all those people who were just using it for backup of thier personal or work files? Isn't the FBI accessing/deleting these doing something illegal?

While i dont agree with the copright offences, i think something smells fishy and that this is setting a very bad precedent for the government to be able to shut down any website/business and not give them a chance to defend themselves in court.
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I dont see how they can shut down an entire site that is not solely hosted in the US.

So in theory could they shutdown YouTube?

What about all those people who were just using it for backup of thier personal or work files? Isn't the FBI accessing/deleting these doing something illegal?

While i dont agree with the copright offences, i think something smells fishy and that this is setting a very bad precedent for the government to be able to shut down any website/business and not give them a chance to defend themselves in court.
Fool. Wake up.
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No I'm not. They can back up separately from other uploaders. One person uploads, they get a link for that upload back in return, associated to the relevant file.

so you think that raising the cost and therefore raising the price is nct screwing over the legit consumers



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bullshit read the safe harbor

Once notice is given to the service provider, or in circumstances where the service provider discovers the infringing material itself, it is required to expeditiously remove, or disable access to, the material.

think of it this way if i purchased an online backup service and my password got hacked

your saying the only way the host could be protected safe harbor provision was to destroy my backup even though they could remove infringing access by simply changing the password and notify me.

the people using megaupload as an onliine backup with zero distribution (keeping the link private) are within the bounds of fair use and are therefore not an example of infringing material.
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The porn industry could have celebrated if it was Oron or Filesonic taken down...not sure if some here don't realize that Oron is the one that holds a LARGE number of porn videos, from the biggest content all the way down to the small niche/fetish videos. Megaupload was more movies,games, and nulled scripts.
oron owns pornbb.org , and people that post on the forum are only permitted to use oron as a file service.

so of course its got a huge % of porn content.

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Wow, megaupload has an alexa rank of 72!! Insane! Other File sharing sites must be shitting in their pants.
megavideo.com alexa of 172 as well
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so you think that raising the cost and therefore raising the price is nct screwing over the legit consumers
If that what it costs to run a service, then no.





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bullshit read the safe harbor

Once notice is given to the service provider, or in circumstances where the service provider discovers the infringing material itself, it is required to expeditiously remove, or disable access to, the material.

think of it this way if i purchased an online backup service and my password got hacked

your saying the only way the host could be protected safe harbor provision was to destroy my backup even though they could remove infringing access by simply changing the password and notify me.

the people using megaupload as an onliine backup with zero distribution (keeping the link private) are within the bounds of fair use and are therefore not an example of infringing material.
So in instances where 500 people upload a cinema recording of "Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol ", clearly an infringing upload and not currently available for sale.

The Filehost should be able to bundle all 500 copies as one, issue links as normal - and should they receive 10 take-down requests, only pay attention to those, disable those 10 links but leave the remaining 490 links live ? - is that what you're saying ?
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If that what it costs to run a service, then no.







So in instances where 500 people upload a cinema recording of "Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol ", clearly an infringing upload and not currently available for sale.

The Filehost should be able to bundle all 500 copies as one, issue links as normal - and should they receive 10 take-down requests, only pay attention to those, disable those 10 links but leave the remaining 490 links live ? - is that what you're saying ?
mr pitbull, i dont understand, without piracy your business gets no clients. why are you so against it?
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