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Xxaru Media · 02-04-2012, 11:19 PM

How is everyone paying their models nowadays? I've always paid everyone in cash after the shoot, but considering the technological advances we have today I just hate having to deal with cash payments; especially if it's a higher priced shoot and I have to have a large amount of cash on location. Anybody have any success using electronic payment methods with models?

AmeliaG · 02-04-2012, 11:28 PM

Why wouldn't you write them checks? After hundreds of nude shoots, I think I've only paid cash like three times ever and one of those times was a British girl who was literally going to the plane from the shoot, like the shuttle picked her up at the shoot location.

brentbacardi · 02-05-2012, 12:05 AM

Most girls know better then to accept a check. Creepy photogs just cancel the checks. There was an article about it where I live not too long ago about some dude who hires girls for like 5k (very overpriced for the area) and then cancelled checks.

L-Pink · 02-05-2012, 12:12 AM

When I was shooting heavily I started paying by cash. Reason ... The girls would go down the street to my local bank and cash the checks right after the shoot. Imagine 2-3 girls a week dressed like models dress after a shoot, all walking into the bank cashing checks for the same amount. I got tired of the funny looks by the tellers and business manager.

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Xxaru Media · 02-05-2012, 12:37 AM

Most people don't trust checks nowadays (unless it's a bank check). And checks become a problem when doing shoots with talent in various countries; as I so often do. I need a trusted payment option that will be accepted anywhere in the world.

Shoehorn! · 02-05-2012, 12:39 AM

I always pay by business check so I can keep a copy of the cashed check, this way there is a paper trail and if a model ever "changes her mind" I have the cashed check along with the model releases to prove she knew what she was doing.

NemesisEnforcer · 02-05-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Xxaru Media

How is everyone paying their models nowadays?

I pay by cash if I'm getting a great rate from the model. Otherwise, I pay by check or via the payroll process.

TommyM · 02-05-2012, 01:45 AM

Get them a moneybookers account with a mastercard, then they can withdraw the money instantly

CurrentlySober · 02-05-2012, 01:48 AM

Simply dont pay them at all... "Adapt or die" and shit...

Paul Markham · 02-05-2012, 01:50 AM

Always paid by cash. Girls didn't always have bank accounts, the model release served as a receipt and we got them to sign a receipt on the day. Loads of girls do a few shoots and then quit, well that's the way it used to be.

If you don;t like the game, don't play it.

Redfield · 02-05-2012, 01:57 AM

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Captain Kawaii · 02-05-2012, 02:00 AM

If you shoot in the US and you run a BUSINESS you need to pay by company check.
If you are a scumbag...that sucks for everyone. Especially you.

We used to pay by cash until accountant said we have to pay by company check or we cannot deduct cost of shoots...if you get audited, how do you prove you pay the model...for example.

We advise the girls we cannot use content without proof of payment. Most did not know that. Those who cancel checks are risking a warrant.
If its a big pay amount we will sometimes pay a little in cash and rest in check.

Our bank caters specifically to Hollywood entertainment biz...I have taken girls to our bank so they can cash.
Trust me, they are more than grateful and we often get great new content from a model who is happy to be working with a straight company.

It is illegal for shooters to shoot, cancel check and use content. Any models on this board should be aware of this. Outside US, IDK.

emjay · 02-05-2012, 02:45 AM

We pay them using Direct Deposit, check, PayPal, Green Dot, AlertPay, & Payoneer.

Cherry7 · 02-05-2012, 02:57 AM

I had to take a "photographer" to court for some of our Polish models who had been paid by cheque and found it had been stopped, he sent more cheques which were refused by by his bank. It took 6 months to get their money.

I understand why models trust cash, there are some shitty people in the World.

Captain Kawaii · 02-05-2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by emjay

We pay them using Direct Deposit, check, PayPal, Green Dot, AlertPay, & Payoneer.

Those are great ways.... I like the way you think. You can sit with model at computer at end of shoot and pay her...and she knows shes getting paid. Nice.

Talia_Payoneer · 02-05-2012, 07:19 AM

Most of the large cam programs pay through Payoneer. Payoneer offers payments to prepaid debit MasterCards, bank transfers worldwide (much cheaper than wires, up to $10.95 per transfer, and as low as $5.95) and payments to local ewallets.

I would be more than happy to give you more information if you're interested. You can contact me directly at taliakl at payoneer.com.

takehersleazy · 02-05-2012, 09:39 AM

We have always used checks but we also have had a fairly long history with the girls and agents so no one has any concerns about getting paid.

anexsia · 02-05-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Simply dont pay them at all... "Adapt or die" and shit...

you could at least pay them in cocaine.

Xxaru Media · 02-05-2012, 11:22 AM

Yeah, I was thinking about the possibility of Paypal and the like, but if the model doesn't have a bank account (or a pc... even though it's 2012) that can be an issue. I like the Visa/Mastercard payment idea. The only thing with that option is that it's more of a hassle to get the money off the card and into your bank if you do have a bank account. But maybe that's not as big of a deal as I think. So card payouts seem to be the best alternative right now. I'll also have to check out Payoneer and see what they offer.

Jim_Gunn · 02-05-2012, 11:35 AM

I pay models by check as soon as the shoot is over. I like to get the physical canceled checks with the model's actual ink endorsement back from the bank in my statement every month.

raymor · 02-05-2012, 12:03 PM

Whatever you use, keep proof of payment on file for just as long as you keep the model release. The release may prove that you PROMISED to pay them, but not that you DID pay them. If the model release mentions payment, as it probably should (exchange of consideration) it would later be ruled invalid if the judge believed you didn't pay as agreed.

AaronM · 02-05-2012, 12:09 PM

Checks and checks only. I've never had model complain about getting paid by check. Some have had concerns about cashing a check without their own bank account and I have taken many models to the bank after shoots to make sure they got paid.

A few reasons for this, even though some have already been said:

1: Proof that payment was made. A model can always claim that you never paid her the cash or that you claimed one amount on the paperwork but paid another or never paid at all. Receipts can be forged but a canceled check from the bank will be on record with the bank and can easily be retrieved should there ever be a question.

2: Accounting. It just makes sense.

3: A business check tells a model you actually run a legit business. If you don't have a business checking account, which a lot of "producers" do not, you most likely are not a legit business.

4: 3 minutes after the model leaves and you discover your releases, wardrobe, toys, cameras, etc... are missing, you can stop payment before the check is cashed. This sort of thing has happened to me and a lot of other producers I know.

5: It's another way of confirming the model's identity. Not only have you checked the model's ID but so has the bank. This will go a long way in covering your ass should a model come back later claiming she was under age.

6: No lawyer has ever told me to pay a model in cash but several have told me to pay by company check.

7: Cash on hand is a liability in a world filled with those who have questionable intent. All it takes is one model to tell a friend that she saw a pile of cash in your studio and now you're a target for robbery.

rowan · 02-05-2012, 01:04 PM

Can't make the scene if you don't have the green!

Cherry7 · 02-05-2012, 01:30 PM

I think there is a lot of models and agents who want to be paid in cash because they want in Euros and not the local currency and also do not wantt o put it through their books.

x-rate · 02-05-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Talia_Payoneer

Most of the large cam programs pay through Payoneer. Payoneer offers payments to prepaid debit MasterCards, bank transfers worldwide (much cheaper than wires, up to $10.95 per transfer, and as low as $5.95) and payments to local ewallets.

I would be more than happy to give you more information if you're interested. You can contact me directly at taliakl at payoneer.com.

When I settuped my studio I contacted you because all company I dea with were paying me thru payoneer and I wanted to pay my model the same way. Got a reply, explained my situation and then never got reply. So now I switched to check payment and pay my models cash instead.

Grapesoda · 02-05-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Xxaru Media

How is everyone paying their models nowadays? I've always paid everyone in cash after the shoot, but considering the technological advances we have today I just hate having to deal with cash payments; especially if it's a higher priced shoot and I have to have a large amount of cash on location. Anybody have any success using electronic payment methods with models?

wire transfers is the preferred method for me

Talia_Payoneer · 02-06-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Xxaru Media

Yeah, I was thinking about the possibility of Paypal and the like, but if the model doesn't have a bank account (or a pc... even though it's 2012) that can be an issue. I like the Visa/Mastercard payment idea. The only thing with that option is that it's more of a hassle to get the money off the card and into your bank if you do have a bank account. But maybe that's not as big of a deal as I think. So card payouts seem to be the best alternative right now. I'll also have to check out Payoneer and see what they offer.

Just to clarify, there is a clear trail in our cases as well. I say cases because since we pay through cards AND through bank transfers, it's all on record - we can show exactly what you transferred to whose card and that it arrived on their card.

The bank transfer and card are two separate methods right now - you don't transfer from the card to a bank, though it's something we are looking into (if we get enough requests for something, we definitely look into it). Anyway, I'd be more than happy to talk at your convenience. My ICQ is also in my signature.

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Originally Posted by x-rate

When I settuped my studio I contacted you because all company I dea with were paying me thru payoneer and I wanted to pay my model the same way. Got a reply, explained my situation and then never got reply. So now I switched to check payment and pay my models cash instead.

I'm sorry for that. Who were you in touch with?

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

wire transfers is the preferred method for me

We do bank transfers too - and they are genearlly a lot cheaper than wires, especially in European countries (but not exclusively). Generally our transfers are up to $10.95.

02-04-2012, 11:19 PM	#1
Xxaru Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MIA Posts: 255	Model payment methods How is everyone paying their models nowadays? I've always paid everyone in cash after the shoot, but considering the technological advances we have today I just hate having to deal with cash payments; especially if it's a higher priced shoot and I have to have a large amount of cash on location. Anybody have any success using electronic payment methods with models? __________________ ICQ: 392432948 Need A Hosting Provider - Click Here

02-04-2012, 11:28 PM	#2
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,563	Why wouldn't you write them checks? After hundreds of nude shoots, I think I've only paid cash like three times ever and one of those times was a British girl who was literally going to the plane from the shoot, like the shuttle picked her up at the shoot location. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

02-05-2012, 12:05 AM	#3
brentbacardi Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,425	Most girls know better then to accept a check. Creepy photogs just cancel the checks. There was an article about it where I live not too long ago about some dude who hires girls for like 5k (very overpriced for the area) and then cancelled checks. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself!

02-05-2012, 12:37 AM	#5
Xxaru Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MIA Posts: 255	Most people don't trust checks nowadays (unless it's a bank check). And checks become a problem when doing shoots with talent in various countries; as I so often do. I need a trusted payment option that will be accepted anywhere in the world. __________________ ICQ: 392432948 Need A Hosting Provider - Click Here

02-05-2012, 12:39 AM	#6
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	I always pay by business check so I can keep a copy of the cashed check, this way there is a paper trail and if a model ever "changes her mind" I have the cashed check along with the model releases to prove she knew what she was doing. __________________

02-05-2012, 12:12 AM	#4
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	When I was shooting heavily I started paying by cash. Reason ... The girls would go down the street to my local bank and cash the checks right after the shoot. Imagine 2-3 girls a week dressed like models dress after a shoot, all walking into the bank cashing checks for the same amount. I got tired of the funny looks by the tellers and business manager. .

02-05-2012, 01:45 AM	#8
TommyM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,147	Get them a moneybookers account with a mastercard, then they can withdraw the money instantly

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02-05-2012, 01:50 AM	#10
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Always paid by cash. Girls didn't always have bank accounts, the model release served as a receipt and we got them to sign a receipt on the day. Loads of girls do a few shoots and then quit, well that's the way it used to be. If you don;t like the game, don't play it. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

02-05-2012, 01:57 AM	#11
Redfield Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 74	myfreecams uses webmasterchecks for the payouts, maybe try them out __________________ i love apple pie

02-05-2012, 02:00 AM	#12
Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	If you shoot in the US and you run a BUSINESS you need to pay by company check. If you are a scumbag...that sucks for everyone. Especially you. We used to pay by cash until accountant said we have to pay by company check or we cannot deduct cost of shoots...if you get audited, how do you prove you pay the model...for example. We advise the girls we cannot use content without proof of payment. Most did not know that. Those who cancel checks are risking a warrant. If its a big pay amount we will sometimes pay a little in cash and rest in check. Our bank caters specifically to Hollywood entertainment biz...I have taken girls to our bank so they can cash. Trust me, they are more than grateful and we often get great new content from a model who is happy to be working with a straight company. It is illegal for shooters to shoot, cancel check and use content. Any models on this board should be aware of this. Outside US, IDK.

02-05-2012, 02:45 AM	#13
emjay Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Back in Blighty Posts: 4,277	We pay them using Direct Deposit, check, PayPal, Green Dot, AlertPay, & Payoneer. __________________ I Run 500+ WhatsApp Groups. The Zuck Owns Me www.emjayconsultancy.com

02-05-2012, 02:57 AM	#14
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	I had to take a "photographer" to court for some of our Polish models who had been paid by cheque and found it had been stopped, he sent more cheques which were refused by by his bank. It took 6 months to get their money. I understand why models trust cash, there are some shitty people in the World. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

02-05-2012, 07:19 AM	#16
Talia_Payoneer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 337	Most of the large cam programs pay through Payoneer. Payoneer offers payments to prepaid debit MasterCards, bank transfers worldwide (much cheaper than wires, up to $10.95 per transfer, and as low as $5.95) and payments to local ewallets. I would be more than happy to give you more information if you're interested. You can contact me directly at taliakl at payoneer.com. __________________ Talia Klein Director of Community at Payoneer Email [email protected] Email me about becoming a Payoneer sponsor

02-05-2012, 09:39 AM	#17
takehersleazy Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 73	We have always used checks but we also have had a fairly long history with the girls and agents so no one has any concerns about getting paid. __________________ http://www.pussyeatingclub.com/tours/ http://takehereasy.com/tour/ http://bigtitperverts/tour/ Promote our sites!

02-05-2012, 11:22 AM	#19
Xxaru Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MIA Posts: 255	Yeah, I was thinking about the possibility of Paypal and the like, but if the model doesn't have a bank account (or a pc... even though it's 2012) that can be an issue. I like the Visa/Mastercard payment idea. The only thing with that option is that it's more of a hassle to get the money off the card and into your bank if you do have a bank account. But maybe that's not as big of a deal as I think. So card payouts seem to be the best alternative right now. I'll also have to check out Payoneer and see what they offer. __________________ ICQ: 392432948 Need A Hosting Provider - Click Here

02-05-2012, 11:35 AM	#20
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I pay models by check as soon as the shoot is over. I like to get the physical canceled checks with the model's actual ink endorsement back from the bank in my statement every month.

02-05-2012, 12:03 PM	#21
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Whatever you use, keep proof of payment on file for just as long as you keep the model release. The release may prove that you PROMISED to pay them, but not that you DID pay them. If the model release mentions payment, as it probably should (exchange of consideration) it would later be ruled invalid if the judge believed you didn't pay as agreed. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

02-05-2012, 12:09 PM	#22
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Checks and checks only. I've never had model complain about getting paid by check. Some have had concerns about cashing a check without their own bank account and I have taken many models to the bank after shoots to make sure they got paid. A few reasons for this, even though some have already been said: 1: Proof that payment was made. A model can always claim that you never paid her the cash or that you claimed one amount on the paperwork but paid another or never paid at all. Receipts can be forged but a canceled check from the bank will be on record with the bank and can easily be retrieved should there ever be a question. 2: Accounting. It just makes sense. 3: A business check tells a model you actually run a legit business. If you don't have a business checking account, which a lot of "producers" do not, you most likely are not a legit business. 4: 3 minutes after the model leaves and you discover your releases, wardrobe, toys, cameras, etc... are missing, you can stop payment before the check is cashed. This sort of thing has happened to me and a lot of other producers I know. 5: It's another way of confirming the model's identity. Not only have you checked the model's ID but so has the bank. This will go a long way in covering your ass should a model come back later claiming she was under age. 6: No lawyer has ever told me to pay a model in cash but several have told me to pay by company check. 7: Cash on hand is a liability in a world filled with those who have questionable intent. All it takes is one model to tell a friend that she saw a pile of cash in your studio and now you're a target for robbery. Last edited by AaronM; 02-05-2012 at 12:10 PM..

02-05-2012, 01:04 PM	#23
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Can't make the scene if you don't have the green!

02-05-2012, 01:30 PM	#24
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	I think there is a lot of models and agents who want to be paid in cash because they want in Euros and not the local currency and also do not wantt o put it through their books. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique