gideongallery

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...89200?ref=menu

they are almost to the record for the biggest crowdfunded project ever (3.2 million)

And they are doing it in a single campaign (unlike the previous record holder).

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Chris

so many cool projects come up on that site

i've backed this one : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...-inst?ref=live

hoping after their sxsw trip it kicks the donations up some more

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Klen

Is that dude which promised to make game about which everyone wants but game studios not making it because it's not for masses.

Fap

Still got 6hrs it'll hit 3.25

gideongallery

he is making an point and click adventure game

even though the "market" for point and click adventure games are "dead"

the best part is the video updates are insanely funny

I think i got 20 people who sent me the video without even knowing a thing about the guys previous successes.

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porno jew

the best part about kickstarter is that it relieves my guilt for pirating shit.

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pimpmaster9000

gideon logic:

find a one-in-a-million exception from real life and economy and try to present it as a viable business model and an excuse to steal other peoples IP....

gideon will pretend that "anybody can do it" and give other one-in-a-million examples like whil weaton (star of the most popular TV show of ALL TIME) who quote "talked about shit" and quote: "got invited to gaming conventions"

or he will give a plain crap example like his "linux" example that barely made 1billion yet microsoft made 218billion but for gideon 1 is bigger than 218 :D

gideon: why don't you show us how this model works for YOU? what do you drive? how much money do you make? LOL

(don't worry I don't actually expect you to answer the questions they are rhetorical, I am well aware that you are the beggar king of half-knowledge who will pretend that he does not need to answer LOL)

gideongallery

sure pay the fee for the tutorial and i will show you exactly how to do it.


if your to stupid to figure out how to adapt those examples to your own business then obviously you need to be taught by someone.

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gideongallery

it not that 1 billion is bigger then 218

it 10,000 of companies sell linux and when you add them all together there total combined sales is way bigger.

btw even if it wasn't bigger the point was you were claiming that it was impossible to make money without the protection of copyright.

And the 1 billion dollars in sales proves you wrong

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gideongallery

oh and only a world class moron thinks

10% is 1 in a million

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...hout-the-egos/

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pimpmaster9000

gideon....

10.000 companies do not "sell" their linux...this is the problem with you...your "out of ass" figures ...you try to imply that their combined sales come anything close to 218billion LOL ... not to mention how infinitely stupid your example is when "10.000" companies working your free model make less than 1 does working my "pay if you want to use" model AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA

gideon logic:

the moon is not as bright as the sun but 10.000 moons are! = the moon is better!!!!!!

i was not claiming that it is impossible to make money without pirates being sent to jail where they belong, I was claiming that your free model is SHIT... get it now? the fact that your model made 1 billion for your company and 218 billion for mine leaves no room for any interpretation other than: FREE IS OBVIOUSLY SHIT being that 4 private people in microsoft EACH have more personal wealth than your whole example/company combined LOL

the moon is not brighter than the sun....get over it....


oh your "10% is not one in a million"

the sundance film festival is one in thousands of film festivals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_festivals

so kickstarted funded 10% of the films in one in a thousand film festivals....WOW WOOOOOOOW

what are film festivals mostly known for? SHIT MOVIES!!!! LOL

this is just going to kick ass your business model is!!!!!!!!!!

oh and you "forgot" to tell us how much money you are making! notice how I put "forgot" in quotation marks to accentuate my sarcasm ... I bet you will keep "forgetting" ... I won't forget to remind you tho

gideongallery

So the government must protect your shit with rights that no other industry in the world has so you can make money

and your proud of that.

Seriously how under competitive do you have to be to argue that a good business model.

Hell every industry including buggy whip manufacturing would be viable if you had the government stepping in and stopping competition.

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gideongallery

btw where the fuck did you get 218 billion in sales

red hat made 1 billion in sales

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/red-ha...software/46445

microsoft made 20 billion

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/27/tech...ings/index.htm

and ibm made 100 billion

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01..._2010_numbers/

of which 30% came from linux/linux software (mainly on mainframe).

so of course if you make up number or do something stupid like trying to compare market capitalization vs SALES.

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Called it!

Due

The government around the world put a LOT of work into stopping product pirating. There was a few years back a politician in Denmark who got fired after he said how his wife had bought a fake prada purse or something like that on a trip to hungary.
Also just check what the customs confiscates every year and then you'd realize how wrong you are with your statements. Just last week I was talking to the fleshlight people in barcelona who told me how much troubles they had when they went to a german show to display their new models and they got withhold in customs while they actually verified it was the real ones.

Its funny how you mention crappy chip producers will do well if the government stopped pirates/knock offs... isn't that exactly what hapenned with the galaxy s tab in some european countries?

Do you have anything that back up any of your statements or do you just put out random realistically sounding statements based on the direction the wind blows?

Regardless its very entertaining

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gideongallery

you mean besides the link that prove microsoft only 20 billion is sales instead of the made up 218 billion that some idiot quote here

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Klen

Well i could use 3 millions,any tips to get them ?

kane

10 minutes left and they are up to 3.32 million. . . impressive.

pimpmaster9000

every other industry in the world has copyright protection...cars, fashion, medicine, engineering , chemical, agricultural....you name it they got it...you can not copy a BMW or any of their patents or trade marks or work without BMW-s permission or even stick a BMW logo on another car end of story...you can not copy a louis vuitton bag end of story...you know this...

this is no way stops other car manufacturers from making their OWN WORK and not stealing other peoples crap

as for the microsoft exmaple I thought we were talking value it was the first figure I got from google the source was forbes or CNN...look man even if microsoft made 20billion selling their own intellectual property its still TWENTY times better than what red hat made, giving away for free a far superior product...you see my model outdoes yours 20x for a SHIT product like windows...windows is the most shit operating system of all time , linux is so much better and FREE yet bill gates is one of the richest men in the world...ha has more money in his pocket than everybody in red hat combined...thats how good your method is

bro your method is so lousy you are not even prepared to practice what you preach on your own god damn product LOL...you talk so much shit about copy left and giving shit out for free and then, somehow, turning it in to money YET you want $$$ upfront for your method?





practice what you preach and give us your shit for free, if it is any good we will, maybe, give you some $...this is what you are saying we should all do so please go ahead and show us you are a true believer in your "business model"

gideongallery

seriously are you so stupid you don't know the difference between the IP business model protected by government granted monopoly (patent, trademark, copyright) and real business that have to compete openly (building houses, building machines, building stuff).



microsoft income includes a lot more then selling just OS so it insane to expect an OS only company to outsell (hell 5 billion comes from xbox and accessories/games).


IBM sells 22 billion in linux support/software for the main frame marketplace. They are default company to go for if you want linux on big iron because their the inventor of that big iron.




I do practice what i preach, i sell live interaction, the one on one training that helps people take whatever they got and make it work under the new environment.

Your asking me to give up doing that to teach a generic one that you want for free.

Hell even this example is clearly reversing the transaction model asking people to pay in advance for an adventure game that won't even be delivered until august.


Get it moron

Asking for the money up front is part of the new model.

I have given you enough for free already. You can take apart what double fine did develop your own successful kick starter campaign to get paid in advance.

But if you want someone to look at your current IP assets and adapt a step by step kick starter campaign that takes the best practices of double fine and 137 other success campaign and break them down into 15-47 step (depending on the assets and industry ) blue print then you have to pay me.

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Horny Dude

WTF, I need to come up with some idea and get a KickStarter campaign going. I always see campaigns getting thousands of dollars. I need an idea!

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gideon...

givernment granted monopoly does not inhibit you in any way...it does not stop you from creating as an author...it just stops you from stealing other peoples shit and calling it "work" ...
give me one example where you, gideon, are not free to create what you wish but you can't really give me one except: I want to "format shift" other peoples work and call it "Art" or "my work" because I am a non creative lazy bastard....

IMB income includes a lot more than selling OS too...shit IBM is 100 years old its profits outdate linux by almost a century....the 22 billion mostly come from IBMs astronomical trade mark recognition and brand confidence...bill gates still makes more $ LOL


as for your "live interaction" excuse:

I get it, your method is so advanced that even the english language does not suffice in complexity for you to be able to fully explain, so "live interaction" with genius gideon is required
remember this: "saying that you can't compete with free is saying that you can't compete period"?
well whats up nigga? give it up for free? oh I see you can't compete LOL

+kickstarter.com is for only 5% of the planet...if you are not american you can't use kickstarter...also kickstarter does not even get every campaign funded LOL you are presenting this like a viable mass business model when you know only a few US people out of 1000s actually get a successful funding....your model is shit and useless in the practical world

gideongallery

sure the technology to make a video juke box just got killed

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovat...ingement.shtml




exactly moron

Doesn't change the fact that they made that 22 billion dollars by selling a product that is effectively UNPROTECTED by copyright.

Content that any person after buying it once has the right to copy and resell as much as they want.

that how you compete with free you SELL THE BRAND.





live interaction/trade secrets is how i protect my IP.

What i show one person will not work for the next because they have DIFFERENT assets to work with.

Again, no counting on government granted monopoly.

you want instructions

1. look at the link for kickstarter i gave you at the top
2. analysis it to see all the characteristics of their campaign
3. copy those characteristics.

simple if your smart enough, really difficult if your an idiot.



right and it not like there over 3 dozen other competing crowdfunding platforms you can use.

The world is covered, everyone can find a crowdfunding site that will support their project. You just have to understand what works and what doesn't

Are you really so stupid that you can't see one single thing in the entire campaign that you could adapt to your own.


This won't work if your stupid, sorry that a problem with you being stupid not the technology not working.

The campaign is public, you could have watched it, took it apart and figuired out how they made it work.

So what if you only raise 10% of what they did, so what if you only raise 1%.

That still a shit load of money, it probably more money then most copyright holders here are making from a scene.

And isn't that the point, if you can make the same money from the new way, why fight to keep the outdated old way alive.

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gideongallery

btw your now claiming that

22 billion out of 100 billion is more than 20 billion

22 is less than 20


That just their linux sales BTW and that already exceeds all of microsoft sales (including xbox, cloud services, office, exchange, iis, sharepoint, msn, bing ......)

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gideongallery

http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/...l?ref=more#p49

49 pages of success projects before you get end of feb.

That 49 pages of people getting funding thru kickstarter

from march 1st till today.

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gideon....

the video juke box does exactly what it should not=change other peoples work in any shape or format... It is specifically designed to use OTHER PEOPLES WORK and store it...furthermore it is designed to change the product by allowing "without forcing the family to endure advertisements, trailers, and confusing menus." and also violates their DRM license , this is illegal , criminal enterprises get shut down by courts of law not by hollywood...

you gave exactly an example that I asked you not to... I asked for an example where a creator is unable to create without using OTHER PEOPLES WORK ... you can not give me such an example because it does not exist....your argument is bullshit...

your IBM example...quote form YOUR article: Operating systems comprised around $700m in revenues. show me the 20billion figure or it did not happen...

kickstarter is a one of a kind website only for americans...show me any other website were a non american can effectively raise funds LOL...come on man get real....what other "3dozen" websites?? LOL what are you talking about?

I agree that 1% of 3million is a shit load of money....but your business model is comparable to winning the lottery LOL...only a hand full of guys get to win the lottery ...your business model is SHIT

pimpmaster9000

accessible to only 5% of the planet...only a small percent of the total projects on kickstarter actually get funded to the full...give us a list of other international kickstarter sites that can actually be used in mass or your model is shit....

gideongallery

not one single second of the movie was in the code.

That might be an argument you could use against someone who USED the product.

What if i wanted to stream creative common DVD (your denying me that right)

It like the VCR, you can USE it to record tv shows, or you could daisy chain them together to make copies of movies.

You don't deny the technology.


ok show me one example of you making something that doesn't in any way shape or form use someone elses work.

Every porn story you guys produce is an adaption of someone elses story.

if you can define unique lines of code as being based on other people work because that code produces a format shifted copy then every fucking thing in the world is going to be infringement.

every piece of content is derived from something else.

the code in question does include one iota of the movie period, the code itself is being stopped from being distributed.


buy a share of ibm stock and look at the stock report for the company

it doesn't include support contracts (the real source of revenue for open source companies)

Think about it moron, you can buy a single disk and install it on all your machines the OS sales is going to be small under that situation


49 fucking pages on kickstarter alone, this month alone.

Shit load of people are winning the lottery.

as far as alternatives just fucking google it

[your country] crowdfunding

http://www.quora.com/Crowdfunding/Wh...adian-business

first link for my country

you can do it for every country in the world and bring up all kinds of examples.

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gideongallery

btw

your insane definition completely wipes out all fair use, because by definition every fair use
uses other peoples work.

even parodies and commentaries use other peoples work.

back up, recovery is worthless without content to BACKUP and RECOVER

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kane

I submitted two campaigns to them and had them both declined. I have a third I am putting together now that I think easily fits their guidelines and should be accepted. I am not going to ask for a lot of money since it is a small project, but it will be interesting to see just how well it works.

gideongallery

what the hell did you submit those guys will accept almost anything (will except for porn, and project that offer reward that represent investments -- percentage of the profits )

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Due

Yes I mean besides a link to some information about how much a company generate in sales as those numbers are really irrelevant to both the laws you constantly refer to and profits.

You seem to have a lot of issues separating hearsay from factual data

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pimpmaster9000

no no and no...you do not make a product like videojuke box to stream creative common DVD you make it for hollywood block buster DVD...you know what the product was meant for LOL...come on don't pretend LOL

you want an example of me making something without using other peoples work? no problem...I want to shoot a girl girl porn just for example...who or what is stopping me? ill get 2 girls and film...the law is clear on what you can and can not trade mark or patent...you can't patent a lesbian movie LOL as long as every frame and every pixel are MY OWN WORK there is SHIT that anybody can do about it...

now how hard is that? not very hard at all LOL...nobody is stopping me from creating PERIOD.

as for IBM show me where they made 20billion from linux because quote:"Operating systems comprised around $700m in revenues" and their support is NOT FREE and you pay upfront ...keep in mind support is not the same as operating system LOL

as for kickstarter alternatives there are none...I know because I spent days searching for a real alternative that people outside the USA can use because I have tons of ideas....the link you gave me shows 0 alternatives for non americans total...in fact the only 2 serious crowd funding sites seem to be kickstarter and indiegogo and only indiegogo accepts people form outside the USA and its much smaller than kickstarter.com

kane

Both were books. The first was rejected because they said if fell into their "self-help" guideline. They don't take self-help books. It wasn't a self-help book, but it was a book that that taught you how to do something and they considered it self-help.

The second was for a fiction project that would be a novella. I was accurate, clear and honest in my description of it. The story revolves around a guy who answers a woman's online personals ad. She is looking just for someone to hook up with a few times a week for sex. After a few months of this he starts to get feelings for her and when she finds out about his feelings she ends the arrangement and no longer wants to see him. He becomes obsessed with her and that obsession leads him down a dark, bad road.

It has some explicit sex scenes in it, but the way they are written it is more like a Rated R movie than anything else. Still, they decided that it sounded too explicit and denied it.

The newest one I am putting together is also a fiction novella, but it is in genre that I see other campaigns for so I don't see any reason why it won't get accepted.

gideongallery

Your legally allowed to format shift the movie you bought

IT fucking fair use.

but that doesn't change the fact that not one single character of the CODE had any portion of the copyright movie

The CODE was blocked for distribution, they didn't go after the users who USED it to bypass the encryption.


That anti circumvention argument is bullshit, it by definition takes away fair use rights.





so you think it ok to steal someone else's idea as long as it not patented

I didn't say without operating in the legal area outside the scope of copyright law (which btw fair use also exists) i said without using other peoples work.

your example uses the idea (work) of the first guy who shot the lesbian scene.

Try again.






Microsoft bundles the cost of support into the purchase price of the disk, when you buy windows you also get (currently) 7 years worth of product updates thru windows update. In fact microsoft following gat rules list it as UNEARNED INCOME on their balance sheet until the term of support is done.


so yes support is part of the operating system in your case.

BTW you still haven't deducted all the NON OS shit from the Microsoft revenue so basically your a fucking lying scumbag here.





then your a moron

http://www.rockthepost.com/

http://peerbackers.com/

http://www.indiegogo.com/

http://kivendi.com/crowdfund/

http://www.getspringboarded.com/

and i found those in 20 minutes

there are also tons of niche crowdfunding solutions

and a couple open source scripts you can install yourself to setup the platform.

...

as to size who gives a fuck

the current crowd funding platform is not designed to get you backers, it just a framework that accepts money

your campaign is what get you the backer.

If your too stupid to understand that point then no wonder you can't get this model to work.

Your an idiot.


hell even a self rolled crowd funding script will work if you know how to setup a proper campaign.

BTW there are ways to get your project on kickstarter even though your not in the US.

especially if you want to do something that open source (another reason access to the groups that allow you access to kickstarter).

In fact i am in the process of setting one up for content that mirrors the open source/open hardware groups, including the tax deduction/charitable contribution status.

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gideon...

you are deliberately giving a false argument that you know is stupid...copyright is easy to define and easy not to break...you cant copyright the letter "A" LOL even though you will go and pretend like you can...you can not copy right a general idea like anal sex LOL...read carefully: NOTHING is legally stopping me from being creative and producing content without using other peoples WORK ...your argument that copyright stops people from being creative is completely wrong....I am not prepared to debate this with you unless you give me a real life example...video juke box is not one....


video juke box broke the law and they knew it...you are NOT NOT NOT allowed by law to break DRM quote from your article: the "digital locks" provision is an anti-circumvention rule that makes it against the law merely to break a "digital lock" (i.e., to route around any form of DRM, no matter how weak) even if (and this is the important part) you are breaking the digital lock for perfectly legal reasons. if video juke box thinks they are above the law then BOOOOO fucking HOOOOOOOOOO fuck them...

as for IBM its YOUR link that says they only made 700 million on OS...YOU said microsoft made 20billion I said 218 but was thinking we were talking about value of a company...20billion is your figure not mine...


as for kickstarter as a business model this says it all: (quote gideon)

"hell even a self rolled crowd funding script will work if you know how to setup a proper campaign."


just proves my point...1% of people can use this LOL...not only is it limited to the USA it is basically worthless if you are not a traffic guru and many many many many many people are not...of those few people who are traffic gurus not all can use kickstarter LOL they not only need traffic skills they need marketing and idea skills...sounds like everybody can use it! LOL the lottery is a more realistic business model

gideongallery

except that not what you said

the code in question does not format shift anything, IT provides the functionality to break the DRM.

IT WHAT IS BEING BLOCKED even though not one single line of code contained anyone else copyrighted content.


if they allowed them to sell it but AMERICAN END USERS who used it that way (assuming the copyright office doesn't re-instate the exemption for fair uses would be guilty your arguement would be correct

But that not what they did

They blocked the distribution of content based on copyright law.

Which is exactly the example you wanted me to give.

That the equivalent of blocking the sale of VCR because some people can use them to copy movies by daisy chaining them together INSTEAD OF going after the fuckers who DO commit the crime.




1. not if you canadian (so there are not breaking the law when i buy it because it not even illegal for me to USE it)
2. not if the exemption by the copyright office is re-instated.
3. Writing code that allows an end user IS NOT BREAKING THE LOCK. IT providing code that can be USED TO BREAK THE LOCK (if a person put the dvd, clicks the button to run that code).


so your admitting your a scum bag who compared the total market value of a company against the sales of a company to fabricate your argument good.


again that number was in comparison to 100 billion IBM made in sales.

if you want to go back to that 22 billion is greater then 20 billion total that Microsoft sells.


why don't you get the real number then and stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

Do an apples to apples comparison

if you want to only count the cost of selling the OS then deduct all the other shit Microsoft sells. If you want to exclude the support contracts, which IBM sells decoupled because they FUCKING HAVE TOO, then decouple the support cost that Microsoft declares as unearned income.


hell just taking the phone support out of the licience drops the retail price from $319.99 to

$94.98 (molp). And that still includes the 7 years of support updates.

you won't even break 500 million if you do that.






10% is way more than 1% (as i have already shown you)

3 days intense training is all it takes to become the "traffic guru" to do this

seriously if takes you more than 3 days to learn this shit, then your a fucking moron.

How fucking entitled do you have to be to expect everyone to hand you success on a silver platter.

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I think what gideon is teaching us is that you should always get the money up front. No one can steal your product if it doesn't exist yet. Get the money first. Thanks gideon!

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pimpmaster9000

gideon...

do you notice something? nobody who is a producer of content on this forum complains about his creativity being restricted in any way...seriously out of all the producers here NONE of them agree with you...these are people who actually produce something and actually make money...

the only people who seem to be complaining are the ones who use OTHER PEOPLES WORK...example: google, youtube, pirate bay and EMO hippie kids who want free shit...

the strongest argument you seem to be able to find is exaggerating copyright laws with stupid crap like: "your example uses the idea (work) of the first guy who shot the lesbian scene."
you know this is exaggerated and is not factual reality....

your video juke box example has nothing to do with creativity...they knew breaking DRM in ANY WAY is illegal...yet they chose to base their business model on an illegal foundation= fuck them....fucking video box emo hippies who are too good to follow the law like the rest of us...seriously : fuck them!

as for microsoft man I admitted this the first time you brought it up...i really thought we were talking company value...sorry if your link says 700million in profits but nowhere does it say 20 billion for IBM linux sales...also sorry you said 20billion was microsofts profit but now you are somehow trying to hold me reonsible for a figure you presented....

as for kickstarter YOU are the one presenting this as a mass viable future model: beg for money ....I am just pointing out that its a SHIT model because all the other websites are shit, a funding platform is something you can make with a paypal "donate" button and only 5% of the world can use it, and out of those 5% only a handful have the pre-requisite technical knowledge to actually succeed with your plan IF their project is any good....

or lest make this real short just answer this: how much money have YOU made with this method?