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Minte · 03-28-2012, 03:41 PM

That was from Brian Williams on NBC.

It will be interesting to see if the supreme court shitcans the entire bill.

2012 · 03-28-2012, 03:43 PM

but it's Healthcare for everybody? unless you don't want it... then you pay outta your ass on your tax return

fuck yeah !

19teenporn · 03-28-2012, 03:43 PM

I was here. See my sig.

papill0n · 03-28-2012, 03:45 PM

gfy has been going off the rails lately with all this racism shit

lets get things back on track with some classic republican donkeys talking shit about obama

yeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaa

Minte · 03-28-2012, 03:47 PM

Obama wasted 2 years on this bill while he ignored the economy. He doesn't deserve another term.

papill0n · 03-28-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Obama wasted 2 years on this bill while he ignored the economy. He doesn't deserve another term.

dude you're driving around in a fucking lambo for fucks sake(or whatever it is today)

you think you speak for most people in america or the rich elite with more money than they know what to do with ?

you might be riding pretty now but keep building a country where the poor get poor and the rich get richer and you fucking see what is going to happen

why wouldnt you want people to have health care ? what do you think is going to happen to the society if a huge portion of it cant maintain basic health ?

papill0n · 03-28-2012, 03:54 PM

suesheboy · 03-28-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

you might be riding pretty now but keep building a country where the poor get poor and the rich get richer and you fucking see what is going to happen

why wouldnt you want people to have health care ? what do you think is going to happen to the society if a huge portion of it cant maintain basic health ?

well said

epitome · 03-28-2012, 03:56 PM

As long as they don't remove the provision where they have to cover the previously uninsurable if they want coverage.

My ObamaCare coverage starts on April 1st.

Minte · 03-28-2012, 03:58 PM

The country is $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. The garbage healthcare bill they passed is now estimated to cost nearly twice what we were told. Another 2 trillion dollars.

Who is going to pay for this?

Sly · 03-28-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

dude you're driving around in a fucking lambo for fucks sake(or whatever it is today)

you think you speak for most people in america or the rich elite with more money than they know what to do with ?

you might be riding pretty now but keep building a country where the poor get poor and the rich get richer and you fucking see what is going to happen

why wouldnt you want people to have health care ? what do you think is going to happen to the society if a huge portion of it cant maintain basic health ?

This has been a common argument of the left. Trying to demonize the right and the moderate. I have never heard anyone say they don't want affordable health care for all.

The right and the moderate complain about the approach that was taken, not the goal of having affordable healthcare. The left screwed up by framing the issue completely wrong and having too many X factors that would be "worked out later."

papill0n · 03-28-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The country is $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. The garbage healthcare bill they passed is now estimated to cost nearly twice what we were told. Another 2 trillion dollars.

Who is going to pay for this?

lets start with the people responsible for the decision to invade iraq - how much did that cost and what did that achieve again sorry ? oh wait i know - it achieved nothing and cost a lot

papill0n · 03-28-2012, 04:14 PM

anyways your problem you sort it out

Minte · 03-28-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

lets start with the people responsible for the decision to invade iraq - how much did that cost and what did that achieve again sorry ? oh wait i know - it achieved nothing and cost a lot

The country wasn't nearly bankrupt then. The US credit rating hadn't been lowered.
People had jobs and were working. Making investments. They were spending money and paying taxes.

papill0n · 03-28-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The country wasn't nearly bankrupt then. The US credit rating hadn't been lowered.
People had jobs and were working. Making investments. They were spending money and paying taxes.

the war in iraq cost nearly a trillion dollars

1 trillion = excellent healthcare for everyone

not just excellent health care for the 45,000 men and women injured or maimed by the wars but everyone minte

so why are you telling me this anyways ? the debt is direct result of obama ?

Sly · 03-28-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

the war in iraq cost nearly a trillion dollars

1 trillion = excellent healthcare for everyone

not just excellent health care for the 45,000 men and women injured or maimed by the wars but everyone minte

so why are you telling me this anyways ? the debt is direct result of obama ?

The cause of the debt does not matter in the equation. $1 trillion of debt because of ABC isn't different than $1 trillion of debt because of XYZ. They are both debt and both bad. Even bringing up the war in a healthcare argument makes no sense because it's a completely different issue.

We can sing and dance about war debt all day long and at the end of the day the debt has not changed any.

kane · 03-28-2012, 04:42 PM

I have a feeling they will let most of it stand, but they will strike down the individual mandate which will basically sink the bill. While I don't know how I feel about the individual mandate, I understand why it is there. Without it the bill will cost a whole hell of a lot more than it already will and what is already a very flawed, troublesome bill will become a horrible bill.

L-Pink · 03-28-2012, 04:53 PM

Rich people can pay for medical bills the insurance companies won't cover.

Poor people get free medical cards.

The middle class just gets fucked.

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papill0n · 03-28-2012, 06:24 PM

directfiesta · 03-28-2012, 06:55 PM

The ' Obamacare ' is itself on life support ...

Barrack should pull the plug and tell the americans to fight for themselves .. The richer will be fine, the poorer will survive and the middle class will desintegate ... making way more poor ...

It is a right for americans to die from a curable disease .. Let the capitalist system work.

2MuchMark · 03-28-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012

but it's Healthcare for everybody? unless you don't want it... then you pay outta your ass on your tax return

fuck yeah !

Not true. If you don't buy it, you are supposed to pay a tax penalty, but there's already a provision in the US tax code that says if you don't pay it, they won't chase after you for it or consider you in trouble in any way.

arock10 · 03-28-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

This has been a common argument of the left. Trying to demonize the right and the moderate. I have never heard anyone say they don't want affordable health care for all.

The right and the moderate complain about the approach that was taken, not the goal of having affordable healthcare. The left screwed up by framing the issue completely wrong and having too many X factors that would be "worked out later."

The individual mandate was a conservative idea for like 15 years. This entire health care setup was a conservative plan for ages, just ask mitt Romney. So when the gov tries to do it right with a public option and other shit, the conservatives cut its balls and it ends up like it is now.

So what the liberals got through is some half assed health care reform, though it definitely has some great features like letting kids say on parents insurance longer and people not being able to be denied coverage

barcodes · 03-28-2012, 07:23 PM

2012 · 03-28-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Not true. If you don't buy it, you are supposed to pay a tax penalty, but there's already a provision in the US tax code that says if you don't pay it, they won't chase after you for it or consider you in trouble in any way.

That makes total sense ! Only the government would do something this fucking stupid. I can't way for more government intervention in my personal life ! I see you're ready and already lubed up .............

keysync · 03-28-2012, 07:26 PM

You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance.
Everyone in the USA has access to health care.
Everyone in the USA has access to health insurance.
Not everyone can afford health care or health insurance.
What I see this bill doing is causing healthy people to pay into the system so the system can pay for the sick and not go bankrupt.
Redistribution of wealth. Plain and simple.

kane · 03-28-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10

The individual mandate was a conservative idea for like 15 years. This entire health care setup was a conservative plan for ages, just ask mitt Romney. So when the gov tries to do it right with a public option and other shit, the conservatives cut its balls and it ends up like it is now.

So what the liberals got through is some half assed health care reform, though it definitely has some great features like letting kids say on parents insurance longer and people not being able to be denied coverage

A lot of Obamacare is a carbon copy of the plan Nixon tried to put forth, but wasn't able to do.

2012 · 03-28-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by keysync

You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance.
Everyone in the USA has access to health care.
Everyone in the USA has access to health insurance.
Not everyone can afford health care or health insurance.
What I see this bill doing is causing healthy people to pay into the system so the system can pay for the sick and not go bankrupt.
Redistribution of wealth. Plain and simple.

it's the smaller .... fuck it

epitome · 03-28-2012, 07:37 PM

You are already paying for the uninsured through higher medical bills and premiums.

What's sad is not many people who were uninsurable are signing up for coverage. It was the easiest process in the world. I applied for private coverage at ehealthinsuramce.com, got the denial letter, filled out a simple online form and mailed in the denial letter. Start to coverage date was less than 45 days.

It's a 80/20 plan for $237 a month with a $4k yearly our of pocket max.

Yanks_Todd · 03-28-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The country is $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. The garbage healthcare bill they passed is now estimated to cost nearly twice what we were told. Another 2 trillion dollars.

Who is going to pay for this?

Who pays for it now?

Yanks_Todd · 03-28-2012, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keysync

You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance.
Everyone in the USA has access to health care.
Everyone in the USA has access to health insurance.
Not everyone can afford health care or health insurance.
What I see this bill doing is causing healthy people to pay into the system so the system can pay for the sick and not go bankrupt.
Redistribution of wealth. Plain and simple.

Interesting, you say "healthy" people and "sick" people. Do you realize that every person ever born in the history of the world has at one time been "healthy" and at one point will be "sick" Don't you think that is the social problem that we should solve as the technology, science and money exist to do so? Especially in the most powerful country to have ever existed on earth.

BFT3K · 03-28-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Who pays for it now?

This guy...

kane · 03-28-2012, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keysync

You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance.
Everyone in the USA has access to health care.
Everyone in the USA has access to health insurance.
Not everyone can afford health care or health insurance.
What I see this bill doing is causing healthy people to pay into the system so the system can pay for the sick and not go bankrupt.
Redistribution of wealth. Plain and simple.

Everyone doesn't necessarily have access to health insurance. If you have some nasty preexisting conditions insurance companies will flat out deny you. I have asthma. Some insurance companies simply will not insure me. I can still get insurance, it just doesn't cover anything asthma related. However, if you have other serious illnesses they simply will not cover you. You could potentially get on medicare or something like that, but it isn't as easy as a lot of people think.

Obamacare is not a redistribution of wealth from the wealthy to the poor. It is a redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the poor and the insurance companies at the same time. This will force insurance companies to cover anyone and everyone. This means they will have to take on customers that they know they will lose money on. However, with the mandate millions of healthy people who don't have insurance will be forced to buy it thus giving those insurance companies millions of new paying customers who they will make a profit on.

Minte · 03-29-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Who pays for it now?

That's the big question. There are not enough billionaires in the country to even make a dent in the debt. If spending isn't reigned in,there won't be money for a lot of social programs.

Fletch XXX · 03-29-2012, 05:57 AM

there are tons of programs the US can do without. the amount spent on war and military is astounding when compared to anything with real value to human evolution.

its common for those with millions in the bank to forget about others but that happens in a capitalist world. everyone is bought and sold and human life has no value anymore, we have pro life catholics who will not kill a fetus, but will send 100000 american soldiers to die overseas over religion and oil while most sit back in america counting their paycheck and stepping over homeless people on their way into pet store or car showroom.... in a society where people pay others to nurse and feed their children, what makes you think we any different?

the richest among us always tend to forget who built the roads they drive on

cherrylula · 03-29-2012, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The country wasn't nearly bankrupt then. The US credit rating hadn't been lowered.
People had jobs and were working. Making investments. They were spending money and paying taxes.

People no longer work, spend, pay taxes or invest anymore? lol ok if you say so.

raymor · 03-29-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Who pays for it now?

Our kids. Each has $20,000 in new debt since Obama took office, added to the $25,000 that had built up through the last 230 years. Today a kid is born $45,000 in the hole because we grownups can't act like grownups and be responsible in handling the treasury.

TheSquealer · 03-29-2012, 06:08 AM

If everyone wants affordable health care,... it seems that a first logical step is to stop being so unhealthy, stop being obese, start exercising and stop insurance fraud, stop suing doctors, hospitals and insurance companies like its the national past time.

Why should anyone get to go out and make the conscious choice to be obese by being lazy, smoking and overeating day in and day out and then demand responsible people pay and society as a whole, for the consequences of that behavior?

cherrylula · 03-29-2012, 06:09 AM

I think everyone should get free healthcare, I'll gladly chip in, so they can stay alive longer and spend money online = profit. It's pretty simple actually.

Fletch XXX · 03-29-2012, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

If everyone wants affordable health care,... it seems that a first logical step is to stop being so unhealthy, stop being obese, start exercising and stop insurance fraud, stop suing doctors, hospitals and insurance companies like its the national past time.

the average obese person ALREADY costs health system $7500 per year per patient.

Ive read reports that state if we stopped the health problems earlier on it would help in long term. But as pointed out, people are ALREADY paying the bills for the unhealthy. It makes SENSE to set up an alternative that would alleviate part of the problem not continue to allow sick to age and cost more.

Minte · 03-29-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

People no longer work, spend, pay taxes or invest anymore? lol ok if you say so.

If I have to explain it,you wouldn't understand.

Here's a tip. google - unemployment.

Fletch XXX · 03-29-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

If I have to explain it,you wouldn't understand.

Here's a tip. google - unemployment.

spending is at all time high. credit lines sky high people buying and buying and buying, especially the poor and broke.

i see family members living check to check but they sure do like those $100 NFL jerseys.

cherrylula · 03-29-2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

If I have to explain it,you wouldn't understand.

Here's a tip. google - unemployment.

yes, google has the answers and facts to all of the world problems... thanks so much for telling me this.

now I feel better, I can find out all the problems in the world with one click... soon, I will know everything in the universe!

then I can back up my facts and argue on message boards.

=

winning!

cherrylula · 03-29-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

spending is at all time high. credit lines sky high people buying and buying and buying, especially the poor and broke.

i see family members living check to check but they sure do like those $100 NFL jerseys.

wait, how are they buying them? I mean people used to work and spend, but I don't know about these days.... ::giggle::

Fletch XXX · 03-29-2012, 07:04 AM

well i just did a few google searches, seems investing is up too. news is filled with "company invests 89 million in this and that" so on and so on pages of it saying investing up.

spending up, investing up, we will always have SOME unemployment, thats expected, but at this time in history people are working and spending and paying taxes.

that was all i disagreed with. people out of touch with every day men and women who think otherwise.

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	ObamaCare on life support. That was from Brian Williams on NBC. It will be interesting to see if the supreme court shitcans the entire bill.

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keysync Living the Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Murica Posts: 2,375	You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance. Everyone in the USA has access to health care. Everyone in the USA has access to health insurance. Not everyone can afford health care or health insurance. What I see this bill doing is causing healthy people to pay into the system so the system can pay for the sick and not go bankrupt. Redistribution of wealth. Plain and simple. __________________

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	Obama wasted 2 years on this bill while he ignored the economy. He doesn't deserve another term.

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	As long as they don't remove the provision where they have to cover the previously uninsurable if they want coverage. My ObamaCare coverage starts on April 1st.

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	The country is $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. The garbage healthcare bill they passed is now estimated to cost nearly twice what we were told. Another 2 trillion dollars. Who is going to pay for this?

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papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	anyways your problem you sort it out

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I have a feeling they will let most of it stand, but they will strike down the individual mandate which will basically sink the bill. While I don't know how I feel about the individual mandate, I understand why it is there. Without it the bill will cost a whole hell of a lot more than it already will and what is already a very flawed, troublesome bill will become a horrible bill.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Rich people can pay for medical bills the insurance companies won't cover. Poor people get free medical cards. The middle class just gets fucked. .

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	You are already paying for the uninsured through higher medical bills and premiums. What's sad is not many people who were uninsurable are signing up for coverage. It was the easiest process in the world. I applied for private coverage at ehealthinsuramce.com, got the denial letter, filled out a simple online form and mailed in the denial letter. Start to coverage date was less than 45 days. It's a 80/20 plan for $237 a month with a $4k yearly our of pocket max.

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	there are tons of programs the US can do without. the amount spent on war and military is astounding when compared to anything with real value to human evolution. its common for those with millions in the bank to forget about others but that happens in a capitalist world. everyone is bought and sold and human life has no value anymore, we have pro life catholics who will not kill a fetus, but will send 100000 american soldiers to die overseas over religion and oil while most sit back in america counting their paycheck and stepping over homeless people on their way into pet store or car showroom.... in a society where people pay others to nurse and feed their children, what makes you think we any different? the richest among us always tend to forget who built the roads they drive on __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me Last edited by Fletch XXX; 03-29-2012 at 05:58 AM..

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cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I think everyone should get free healthcare, I'll gladly chip in, so they can stay alive longer and spend money online = profit. It's pretty simple actually.

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	well i just did a few google searches, seems investing is up too. news is filled with "company invests 89 million in this and that" so on and so on pages of it saying investing up. spending up, investing up, we will always have SOME unemployment, thats expected, but at this time in history people are working and spending and paying taxes. that was all i disagreed with. people out of touch with every day men and women who think otherwise. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me