Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.

[porno jew]

Benito Mussolini

agree?

[smutnut]

No, it's the next step in the social evolutionary process. America isn't a democracy, It's a republic by actual definition even with all our social programs. Socially Europe is far advanced to us even though they screwed up.

Think about it. There have been revolutions everywhere and sooner or later there will be one here because the poor now feel entitled and probably rightfully so if you break down how they got that way.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by smutnut

No, it's the next step in the social evolutionary process

Wrong. Socialism is a step backwards. Or in a lot of countries a step sideways. Liberty is the next social evolutionary process.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Wrong. Socialism is a step backwards. Or in a lot of countries a step sideways. Liberty is the next social evolutionary process.

Every anarchist is a baffled dictator.

Abraham Lincoln.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Wrong. Socialism is a step backwards. Or in a lot of countries a step sideways. Liberty is the next social evolutionary process.

What the fuck is liberty. It's some intangible description. Socialism tries to make everyone equal taking into consideration that everyone is not and also that some don't deserve it.

America is a Republic, not a democracy and it's more socialist than it is democratic just for the record. That's why slavery was outlawed because at the time it would have lost the vote.

Just saying

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by smutnut

What the fuck is liberty. It's some intangible description. Socialism tries to make everyone equal taking into consideration that everyone is not and also that some don't deserve it.

America is a Republic, not a democracy and it's more socialist than it is democratic just for the record. That's why slavery was outlawed because at the time it would have lost the vote.

Just saying

Socialism forces people to be as equal as the government sees fit. That is a step backwards.

I am not arguing the fact that America is a republic.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Wrong. Socialism is a step backwards. Or in a lot of countries a step sideways. Liberty is the next social evolutionary process.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Socialism forces people to be as equal as the government sees fit. That is a step backwards.

I am not arguing the fact that America is a republic.

YOU might be confusing it with communisim. Socialism is an attempt to make everyone equal. America is so socialist it's not funny. the only thing we aren't socialist about is Health care and that's all about politics.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

There's nothing wrong with socialism...if you want to live in a socialist society, then you and your friends can get together and do that. Same thing with a dictatorship, communism, democracy, etc.

The problem comes in when you FORCE ME to be a part of it and use violence against me when I want to opt out

if you don't support the state you can always refuse to pay taxes.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

No, because they will use violence against me....just like the mafia would

get some guns then. join a militia.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

No that's stupid

The government has the most powerful army on the planet

not as powerful as a multitude of sovereign citizens answerable only to common law.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by porno jew

not as powerful as a multitude of sovereign citizens answerable only to common law.

That's basically socialism. Otherwise there would be voting involved.

[XSAXS]

Statism in whatever flavor (Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, etc) is tyranny. Tyranny is an all-knowing, all-powerful State that has the ability to do what it wants when it wants -- regardless of what the citizenry ("We the People") desire.

Statism is diametrically opposed to the Liberty of the individual, because a well-informed, competent, and capable individual is a threat to the Statist.

And yes, The United States is incredibly Socialistic. But that's not the way it was designed, and that's not the way it's supposed to be.

The fact of the matter is, we are past the point of no return. American Socialism will soon merge with European Socialism, and the Statists will finally have the new Global Order they've been lusting for since the mid-late 19th century.

[papill0n]

pretty racist thread man

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by smutnut

YOU might be confusing it with communisim. Socialism is an attempt to make everyone equal. America is so socialist it's not funny. the only thing we aren't socialist about is Health care and that's all about politics.

The diversity of mankind is a basic postulate of our knowledge of human beings. But if mankind is diverse and individuated, then how can anyone propose equality as an ideal? Every year, scholars hold Conferences on Equality and call for greater equality, and no one challenges the basic tenet. But what justification can equality find in the nature of man? If each individual is unique, how else can he be made 'equal' to others than by destroying most of what is human in him and reducing human society to the mindless uniformity of the ant heap?
-Murray N. Rothbard

[porno jew]

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”

Adolf Hitler.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

The diversity of mankind is a basic postulate of our knowledge of human beings. But if mankind is diverse and individuated, then how can anyone propose equality as an ideal? Every year, scholars hold Conferences on Equality and call for greater equality, and no one challenges the basic tenet. But what justification can equality find in the nature of man? If each individual is unique, how else can he be made 'equal' to others than by destroying most of what is human in him and reducing human society to the mindless uniformity of the ant heap?
-Murray N. Rothbard

Great post of an awesome quote from an awesome scholar.

Thomas Sowell is on point about such talk about "fairness" "equality" etc. These are words that sound nice but there's no definition. That's when people get suckered in and the "solution" ends up being way worse than the "problem."

Here's another great scholar on this issue

[porno jew]

Porn is fantasy, pure fantasy. No one is selling a video or a picture, they sell the fantasy of the viewer. It's proven men are turned on by a visual image and that triggers their mind to imagine the scenario, with them in it somehow. Very often as a participant or viewer.

So sell the fantasy. Not just in words, the images and videos have to build the fantasy as well.

when men watch a stripper, they fantasise about fucking her. Same with an image. How many times have we read the comment "I could fuck her"? When someone posts a picture.

The trick is to make the girl look like she would fuck them. And this goes on and on in porn. A teen has to look 18ish, not a 24 year old in pig tails. An amateur has to look like she's the girl next door and in secret would fuck anyone.

When a surfer hits your site or samples, he needs to be sold a fantasy. If you don't know the fantasy, then you need to find out what it is. Because if you don't you're shooting in the dark.

This is the steps to success in most businesses.

Getting the product right.

Getting the marketing right.

Putting yourself in front of as many people as possible.

Convincing the client your product meets his needs.

Closing the sale.

Making sure your product does meet his needs.

Never stopping doing the above and looking for new opportunities.


In business there are no short cuts. Because the easier it is to short cut or work the system. The more people you compete with.

- Paul Markham

[papill0n]

how can socialism ever truly exist when already we have a situation where so few have so much

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by porno jew

Porn is fantasy, pure fantasy. No one is selling a video or a picture, they sell the fantasy of the viewer. It's proven men are turned on by a visual image and that triggers their mind to imagine the scenario, with them in it somehow. Very often as a participant or viewer.

So sell the fantasy. Not just in words, the images and videos have to build the fantasy as well.

when men watch a stripper, they fantasise about fucking her. Same with an image. How many times have we read the comment "I could fuck her"? When someone posts a picture.

The trick is to make the girl look like she would fuck them. And this goes on and on in porn. A teen has to look 18ish, not a 24 year old in pig tails. An amateur has to look like she's the girl next door and in secret would fuck anyone.

When a surfer hits your site or samples, he needs to be sold a fantasy. If you don't know the fantasy, then you need to find out what it is. Because if you don't you're shooting in the dark.

This is the steps to success in most businesses.

Getting the product right.

Getting the marketing right.

Putting yourself in front of as many people as possible.

Convincing the client your product meets his needs.

Closing the sale.

Making sure your product does meet his needs.

Never stopping doing the above and looking for new opportunities.


In business there are no short cuts. Because the easier it is to short cut or work the system. The more people you compete with.

- Paul Markham

poking eyes out

[Coup]

Originally Posted by papill0n

poking eyes out

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by smutnut

There have been revolutions everywhere and sooner or later there will be one here because the poor now feel entitled and probably rightfully so if you break down how they got that way.

you start by saying there is going to be an inevitable revolution because of inequality

Originally Posted by smutnut

America is so socialist it's not funny. .

and continue on to say socialism abounds in america


just keep drinking

[Barry-xlovecam]

Il Duce's last words?

[Coup]

"Great liars are also great magicians. "

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."

"Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

"If today I stand here as a revolutionary, it is as a revolutionary against the Revolution."

-Ronald Reagan, Greatest President Evar

[CaptainHowdy]

Next step is extinction ...

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by papill0n

how can socialism ever truly exist when already we have a situation where so few have so much

Papill0n, under a free market system, it doesn't matter how much $$$ the people "on top" have. It doesn't matter at all.

Who the fuck cares how much money they have? Bill Gates is a BILLIONAIRE. In what way does that fact prevent you (or anyone else) from going out, working hard, and making your own fortune?



You are assuming there's a limited amount of pie. Under a free market, it's not about re-distributing a limited amount of pie -- it's about making and selling more pies.

Bill Gates made and sold LOTS of pie. But that didn't keep Mark Zuckerberg from going out, producing a different kind of pie -- and making his own fortune. In fact, it could be argued that the Bill Gates paved the way for Zuckerberg to do what he did. Without PCs there could be no Facebook.

The fact is... success and wealth breeds MORE success and wealth.

Redistribution only squanders it.

[papill0n]

your logic is flawed

the pie is indeed a limited resource. the pie is the earth.

your not up for redistribution which is fine but just understand the people that dont have anything - and i mean anything - dont look at it like you do.

you already have pie and your not sharing. thats fine.

just like i said. how can socialism ever exist when people dont want to share.

im just agreeing with mussolini lol

i think its human nature. cant see anything changing until we reach some sort of cataclysmic event myself

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by papill0n

your logic is flawed

the pie is indeed a limited resource. the pie is the earth.

Sorry, but in this case we are talking about wealth, not space on the planet. Wealth is a function of the creation of new products and services. An empty field has a certain amount of value, one that is cultivated to grow crops, or mined for minerals has more value, when those crops or minerals are processed they have more value, etc, etc, etc... right up the point of an Ipad. Wealth is not finite, if you come up with a service or product that has value, or a method that increases the value of a product or service, more wealth is created.



.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by smutnut

YOU might be confusing it with communisim. Socialism is an attempt to make everyone equal.

So's communism, retard. The ONLY difference between socialism and communism is the way they're supposed to be achieved.

[MaDalton]

if you are 20 and not a socialist you have no heart

if you are 40 and still a socialist you have no brain

or something like that

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by papill0n

your logic is flawed

the pie is indeed a limited resource. the pie is the earth.

The pie here is a metaphor for wealth. One of the arguments brought forth by socialists and others advocating some kind of "redistribution" is that there's "enough for everyone, but the problem is that it isn't distributed fairly". So their solution is to redistribute things fairly and that way there will be no more poverty and war.

That way of thinking is mostly rooted in flawed economic theory. Socialists, syndicalists etc use the Labor Theory of Value (it's the ugly cousin of that other flawed theory of value namely the Cost Theory of Value).

In the 1870s we rediscovered the Subjective Theory Of Value (it goes all the way back to Aristotle). The price of an item is basically determined based on how much 2 individuals (the seller and the buyer) value that item. (Google: Carl Menger marginal pairs for more info).

Why is this relevant? Because, yes we live in a world of 'scarcity'. There's no unlimited supply of iron, gold, water, uranium, oil etc. However, one thing is unlimited and that's the number of human goals or wants. We all want and desire different things. And once one goal is accomplished we set new goals. When we're hungry we'll want something to eat. And we all prefer different things to eat. Once we've eaten we go on to accomplish our next goal etc etc etc.

So how do we make sure the maximum amount of goals, the most important goals (the things we value most) are accomplished with that limited supply of resources?

One simple thing plays a very important role in that process. I'll cheat and copy/paste one of my posts from another thread:

Huge profits serve society as a whole. Supply & Demand 101
Human are not perfect all knowing beings. No, they are imperfect. They do not know everything that goes on in the world. They do not know what other people are thinking. They do not know exactly how much of certain resource is available right now or will be available 5 days or 10 months from now. They do not know exactly how much of a certain product people will be buying next month. They don't know exactly how many visitors their websites will get. etc.

Every entrepreneurial activity (every investment of saved resources) is by definition speculative. To reduce risks, people gather information and to the best of their ability try to analyze that information.

Let's say your company produces product A and another company produces a totally different product B. Your company is the only one on the market that sells product A (or anything even remotely similar). People like product A and you (being the only one selling it) charge a high price for it and as a result you make a huge profit. The company that produces product B however has very few customers and looses money.

Is this good? Yes it is. Prices mean something, they have a "signal function" in the market economy. The fact that you can charge a high price for product A and that people value product A enough to pay that price for it sends a message to other actors (entrepreneurs) in the market economy. They too will want to make a huge profit and will start producing products that are similar to product A (products that perform the same function or some of the same functions or solve the problems that product A solves in an alternative way). The result is that supply of product A goes up and prices come down. Society as a whole benefits from this because now more people will be able to buy product A and they'll be able to buy it at a lower price. Society also benefits in other ways: no one in his right mind will start investing his resources in producing a product like product B because they now already now that people weren't interested in that product.

Prices help distribute/ration resources that are already available.
Example: Let's say a copper mine in Brazil collapses during an earthquake. The total amount of copper available decreases. The price of copper goes up. Every company around the world that uses copper in the production of whatever it is they are producing now knows there's less copper available and they can adjust their production accordingly.

The most important purpose that prices serve whoever is in the coordination of the future rationing of resources. As I've shown in my product A vs product B example, it's is because a company was able to make a huge profit selling product A, that other actors in the market were able to figure out what the public wanted.

So prices play an essential role. Prices can however only be established in a world with property rights. Prices aren't arbitrarily chosen things. One can't simply say "I value that article that much". How much you value something can only be expressed in relation to or in comparison to another product.

If I've got 20 euros in my pocket and I can either buy a steak and a coke or a spaghetti, a glass of wine and an ice cream, then I'll chose the one I value most at that moment in time. If I take that steak and the coke that means that at that moment in time I valued that one unit consisting out of a steak and a coke more than one unit consisting out of a spaghetti, a glass of wine and an ice cream. The fact that I pay one unit consisting out of 20 euros in exchange for a steak and a coke also shows that at that moment in time... you get the picture.

To quote Carl Menger: "Value is a judgment economizing men make about the importance of the goods at their disposal for the maintenance of their lives and well-being. Hence value does not exist outside the consciousness of men."

So if we have no method to determine which goods are at our disposal (which goods are yours to use, to decide over,...), we cannot express how much we value something. So if there's no system of private property rights, it's impossible to coordinate the process of distributing/rationing scarce resources I described.


Systems like socialism (no private property), syndicalism (means of production owned by those using them at that moment in time), fascism (means of production are privately owned but the state dictates how they can and must be used),... are all extremely inefficient and can in time only do 1 thing: fail. for the very simple reason that without private property, there can be no prices. Without prices, there can be no economic calculation.

[just a punk]

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

All these terms like socialism, democracy, communism etc all mean the same thing

You have a group of people at the top, who have a monopoly of power and force to use against you.

having laws dosen't equate to force knuckle head.

I agree with that first sentence you got up there though, not a lot of differences is there?

[pimpmaster9000]

Coming form an ex-socialist country I have to laugh at all the pro-socialists LOL

The end of man kind will come as in that film " Idiocracy"

Man kind will reward the lazy and punish the smart.

Entitlement mentality.

We stopped natural selection and introduced un-natural deselection.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Sorry, but in this case we are talking about wealth, not space on the planet. Wealth is a function of the creation of new products and services. An empty field has a certain amount of value, one that is cultivated to grow crops, or mined for minerals has more value, when those crops or minerals are processed they have more value, etc, etc, etc... right up the point of an Ipad. Wealth is not finite, if you come up with a service or product that has value, or a method that increases the value of a product or service, more wealth is created.



.

"wealth is a function of the creation of new products and services"

and you just create both of those out of thin air do you ?

wealth is absolutely finite.the distribution of wealth is grossly uneven.

socialism is a myth & thank you come again

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by porno jew

Benito Mussolini

agree?

Il socialismo è una frode, una commedia, un fantasma, un ricatto, un gioco, una barzelletta, una farsa, una fatale perdita, una morte lenta, una lunga tortura della speranza

Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail, a joke, a travesty, a farce, a fatal loss, a slow death, a long torture of hope.

[arock10]

Ok so if you just need to work hard to be a billionaire and everyone can do it, why isn't everyone billionaires?

Clearly socialism is preventing this from happening

[femdomdestiny]

Only person who lived both should speak about it. I did.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by papill0n

the distribution of wealth is grossly uneven.

of course. because every individual is different, wealth will always be distributed unevenly.

Give 100 people each $100. Some will spend it on beers, others on a present for their g/f, some will save it, some will buy nickels (and make an instant profit ), some will buy a few new domains,...

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by arock10

Ok so if you just need to work hard to be a billionaire and everyone can do it, why isn't everyone billionaires?

I'm gonna recycle one of my own posts:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

No true advocate of a free market would ever claim that hard work leads to wealth. If you spend an entire day digging a hole in the ground, will that make your wealthy? No, but you sure will have worked hard.

Creation of wealth is a result of people consuming less than they produce. The difference is what we call capital or capital goods. This capital allows them to spend time on long(er) term projects (like building a fishing boat instead of using a simple fishing rod).

By focusing their energy on what they can do best and trading with others who also focus on what they do best, individuals can maximize their income and reduce opportunity costs.

Trading with others implies that individuals produce products or deliver services other individuals want and are willing to give something in exchange for. The better an individual can predict what others in society will want, the more profit he can make and the less of his time and capital he will waste.

[barcodes]

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

of course. because every individual is different, wealth will always be distributed unevenly.

Give 100 people each $100. Some will spend it on beers, others on a present for their g/f, some will save it, some will buy nickels (and make an instant profit ), some will buy a few new domains,...

?????

if they dont have the $100 to begin with what then ?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by papill0n

?????

if they dont have the $100 to begin with what then ?

They have their body, their mind,...

The question is: Who was S.B. Fuller?

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

They have their body, their mind,...

The question is: Who was S.B. Fuller?

u should use chrome

highlight text , right click - search google

Fuller (no relation to Alfred C. Fuller, founder of the Fuller Brush Company) was born into rural poverty to a sharecropper family in Monroe, Ouachita Parish, Louisiana in 1905. The family's poverty was such that he had to drop out of school in sixth grade. At nine he was selling products door-to-door and gaining experience as an entrepreneur. At fifteen his family moved to Memphis, Tennessee. Two years later his mother would pass away leaving seven children to fend for themselves.
After going to Chicago in 1928, Fuller worked in a wide range of menial jobs, eventually rising to become manager of a coal yard. Subsequent to his employment in the coal yard, he gained employment as an insurance representative for Commonwealth Burial Association, an African-American firm. Although he had a secure job during the depression, he nevertheless struck out on his own preferring ?freedom? to ?security.?

why is that the question ?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by papill0n

u should use chrome

As an seo I don't like to share information with big G.

why is that the question ?

It's one of Tom Woods "33 Questions About American History You're Not Supposed to Ask".

Even if you start with nothing (have no capital), you can still "make it". Is it easy? No. Can it be done? Of course. I'll refer to a thread I started last year: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1037719 ("The typical self-made millionaire has been broke or nearly broke an average of 3.2 times before he made his first million")

[mrgica]

Socialism?

[papill0n]

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by papill0n

"wealth is a function of the creation of new products and services"

and you just create both of those out of thin air do you ?


socialism is a myth & thank you come again

Actually yes, wealth is a function of value, and value is a relative term, applied individually in the eyes of the beholder amd often referenced in mass by an agreed upon currency. Currency is not wealth, wealth is value. (Currency is a way we agree to measure wealth, but it is not intrinsic.) People create value out of nothing based on the creation of a product, service, or improvement in either, that other people value. The amount of wealth in the world one thousand years ago is far far less than there is now, based on the above fact. U-bob has quite abily explained this.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Only person who lived both should speak about it. I did.

We're listening? The silence is deafening

[femdomdestiny]

It is too complicated to write about it. To be more precise, not so simple question at all like person who made this post is trying to present.

There are various forms of socialism and capitalism and rules depending on country. It depends on personal ideas and vision of life what do you like more. While in capitalism you can become very rich and have incredible things ,is socialism you can have things like free education,health care, secure job, free housing. Life without stress and tensions resulting in lower death rate and much less crime and agression.

Not all people have need to be rich or buy stuff all the time. Some appreciate living more secure.In my country during socialism, people were protected as polar bears. no one could kick you from job, people were getting apartments from state (yes, I have two in my ownership right now and it is a myth that you had to be in party and stuff like that). So, it's stupid to write about this, especially on forum where average (arrogant) user probably have all knowledge in this world already sucked in the moment of birth