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$5 submissions · 04-08-2012, 02:03 PM

Socialism is the ONLY PATH to TOTAL FREEDOM!

/joke joke

femdomdestiny · 04-08-2012, 03:32 PM

And you are using sign made by CIA ?

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DamageX · 04-09-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Quite often he does and very successfully too.

Define "quite often". Because until now, I've NEVER heard of any doing so. So you actually mean "very rarely", right?

Cherry7 · 04-09-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Define "quite often". Because until now, I've NEVER heard of any doing so. So you actually mean "very rarely", right?

They don't get much publicity and I was going to say that the reason you did not lnow about the movement was because you were from the US, but then I read

"In the United States there are over 29,000 co-operatives employing 2 million people with over $652 billion in annual revenue"

Which I never heard of either.

In the UK it has a long history and is strong in food retail, insurance, banking, funeral services, and the travel industry in many parts of the country.

This may also be of interest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag...ve_Corporation

DamageX · 04-09-2012, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

They don't get much publicity and I was going to say that the reason you did not lnow about the movement was because you were from the US

You do know what they say about people assuming stuff, right?

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

"In the United States there are over 29,000 co-operatives employing 2 million people with over $652 billion in annual revenue"

Right. So very rarely.

sperbonzo · 04-09-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

The State helped in colonies by forcing "criminals" and natives to work for the capitalist to make him rich.

EXACTLY!! "The State" is the only entity that can legally use force to make people bend to it's decisions. That's not capitalism. Capitalism is a free market where the owner of the company trades currency for labor, and the workers trade labor for currency. If either does not wish to voluntarily enter into the transaction, they are free to not do so. When "The State" gets involved, this free and voluntary interaction between people disappears.

Cherry7 · 04-09-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

EXACTLY!! "The State" is the only entity that can legally use force to make people bend to it's decisions. That's not capitalism. Capitalism is a free market where the owner of the company trades currency for labor, and the workers trade labor for currency. If either does not wish to voluntarily enter into the transaction, they are free to not do so. When "The State" gets involved, this free and voluntary interaction between people disappears.

There is no capitalism or "free market" without the state. The state is there to protect the capitalist against the majority of the population who will form Trade Unions and freely demand ownership of what they create. The Capitalist State restricts Trade Unions, makes laws against them, makes sure the Capitalists win strikes, keeps unemployment high to lower wages, forces people to work on the threat of losing benefits.

Yes the starving worker is as "free" to enter into the transaction as the rich capitalist, if he is prepared to starve to death to prove a point.

sperbonzo · 04-09-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

There is no capitalism or "free market" without the state. The state is there to protect the capitalist against the majority of the population who will form Trade Unions and freely demand ownership of what they create. The Capitalist State restricts Trade Unions, makes laws against them, makes sure the Capitalists win strikes, keeps unemployment high to lower wages, forces people to work on the threat of losing benefits.

Yes the starving worker is as "free" to enter into the transaction as the rich capitalist, if he is prepared to starve to death to prove a point.

You are a genius of economics sir. I can see that not even the most subtle of economic theory or reality gets by you. Congratulations on your marvelously well thought through insights. You obviously are a gifted scholar with years of study and experience. Oh, by the way, which one are you? Are you the starving enslaved worker or the evil rich capitalist?

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DamageX · 04-10-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

There is no capitalism or "free market" without the state. The state is there to protect the capitalist against the majority of the population who will form Trade Unions and freely demand ownership of what they create. The Capitalist State restricts Trade Unions, makes laws against them, makes sure the Capitalists win strikes, keeps unemployment high to lower wages, forces people to work on the threat of losing benefits.

You do realize that, under a free market, workers would be free to form unions just like they do today, right?

Cherry7 · 04-10-2012, 02:03 AM

The Trade Unions organize

The State organizes

The State supports the capitalist in breaking the strike and helping the workers "freely" except lower wages and high unemployment

DamageX · 04-10-2012, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

The Trade Unions organize

The State organizes

The State supports the capitalist in breaking the strike and helping the workers "freely" except lower wages and high unemployment

Why do you keep talking about "the state"? Free market means voluntary exchange of goods and services, the state's only role would be to enforce (voluntarily agreed upon) contracts, should any of the parties involved break them. And I'm sure there are those who'd argue that even that function can be performed by private actors, without bias.

Besides, I'm pretty sure I can find images showing the trade unions initiating violence, just like you showed the opposite above.

MaDalton · 04-10-2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

There is no capitalism or "free market" without the state. The state is there to protect the capitalist against the majority of the population who will form Trade Unions and freely demand ownership of what they create. The Capitalist State restricts Trade Unions, makes laws against them, makes sure the Capitalists win strikes, keeps unemployment high to lower wages, forces people to work on the threat of losing benefits.

Yes the starving worker is as "free" to enter into the transaction as the rich capitalist, if he is prepared to starve to death to prove a point.

you do realize that for the state it makes more sense to have as many people employed as possible to get income tax as opposed to paying unemployement benefits, do you?

Cherry7 · 04-10-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Why do you keep talking about "the state"? Free market means voluntary exchange of goods and services, the state's only role would be to enforce (voluntarily agreed upon) contracts, should any of the parties involved break them. And I'm sure there are those who'd argue that even that function can be performed by private actors, without bias.

Besides, I'm pretty sure I can find images showing the trade unions initiating violence, just like you showed the opposite above.

I talk about the State because that is the real situation. Do you know of a country with a "Free Market" but no State?

Marx puts it better than me

the state arose from the need to hold class antagonisms in check, but because it arose, at the same time, in the midst of the conflict of these classes, it is, as a rule, the state of the most powerful, economically dominant class, which, through the medium of the state, becomes also the politically dominant class, and thus acquires new means of holding down and exploiting the oppressed class....? The ancient and feudal states were organs for the exploitation of the slaves and serfs; likewise, ?the modern representative state is an instrument of exploitation of wage-labor by capital

Cherry7 · 04-10-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

you do realize that for the state it makes more sense to have as many people employed as possible to get income tax as opposed to paying unemployement benefits, do you?

Why do you think that? In the UK the people in government are slashing state employment and creating mass unemployment.

Why because that lowers wages and increases profits.

The government are members of the rich capitalist class. The don't care about the government but they do care about their fortunes.

DamageX · 04-10-2012, 11:35 AM

Stupid = less fortunate.
Less fortunate = socialist.

Over and out.

smutnut · 04-10-2012, 12:13 PM

So basically you just hate America, right?

CaptainHowdy · 04-10-2012, 12:15 PM

The only fraudulent comedy seems to be all the attempts to a serious political discussion on GFY ...

Cherry7 · 04-10-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Stupid = less fortunate.
Less fortunate = socialist.

Over and out.

Karl Marx = Less fortunate = communist
Fred Engels = rich = communist

Your thinking = stupid

XSAXS · 04-10-2012, 04:20 PM

Still a Socialist drone? It's not too late. Enlighten and save yourself from your own ignorance.

smutnut · 04-10-2012, 05:04 PM

Romney is a socialist. Did you see his forced healthcare mandate for Massachusettes? How can you get more socialist than that?

smutnut · 04-10-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Nothing wrong with private unions...however public unions destroy everything....because violence is involved

The real problem is when the Unions become a form of a corporation which they are trying to defend the workers against. then you are working for two companies instead of one, and the union becomes more evil than the company they were created to defend you against in their quest for power.

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