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Paul Markham · 04-25-2012, 12:45 PM

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Good thread till PM came into it and ruined it like he does with every other thread.

Sorry if my pointing out most of you can't afford to invest in your businesses upsets you. You see I come from a business where investing in what we did was normal.

Met Art and a host of other top sites didn't get where they are today without a lot of investment.

Anyway sharing advice like Nina is, isn't the cleverest business model. Now you're asking her to walk you through her process. How about she just finds them for you and sends them straight to you.

epitome will you tell that to the judge when you're in court for publishing CP?

Nine, go ask a lawyer, don't listen to people on a board when it comes to your freedom.

Dirty F · 04-25-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

he knows who he activated the username for, you cocksucking loser.. and why do you give two shits, you're nothing BUT a bitch that posts all the damn time. Get with the program, boy

Jesus christ, are you really THIS fucking stupid or what. Once again retard, how can Theo possibly know who is posting under what nick. Imbecile.

homegrownmof · 04-25-2012, 01:13 PM

Paul you are so clearly out of line here it is insane.

Ninavain has nailed that ex-gf niche

You're still hyping 90s content, and in the midst of that trying to tell Ninavain how to shoot.

When will it end?

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

This is simply not true. The problem is that 99% of the "professionals" can't actually dumb their shoots down to make the content look authentic. They can't take themselves out of the equation, and this is why they sell crappy GF content.

Forget about what it costs to make. That is irrelevant. It has to be authentic if it's going to sell, and time, and time, and time again, "professionals" are unable to create it. You can't shoot authentic GF content in a studio, in a clean room or bathroom. It doesn't work. It's not real. It doesn't look real. These whores all live in dirty apartments, marks on their mirrors, clothes hanging about, messy dressers, and so on. Unless you go to their house and turn them loose with a camera, most professionals will screw these types of simple shoots up. That's all there is to it. Not for $300, not for $3000, the result is the same, FAKE looking ex-gf content.

You can count the guys who come up with good authentic looking GF content on one hand.

If you want the best GF content, get it from the girls directly. There is no "producer" in realistic GF content, because there is nothing to produce. Therefor, it would never, ever cost $6000 (or even $600) to create, because you, the producer, is not needed. All that is needed is some guy telling a girl to give him photos and he'll pay her. He doesn't even have to know how to turn a camera on. Difficult concept sometimes for a producer to grasp, but that's how it is now.

Paul, I have a lot of respect for you as producer and a vet in the biz, but you're missing the bigger picture here. Guys who can do what you did are few and far between. Guys who can shoot for Met-Art are few and far between. And while it may be more rewarding from a creative point of view (because the financial rewards for such things are over), when it comes time to cashing checks these days, being creative takes a back seat. However, these days a guy doesn't even have to know how to work a camera and he can still make money from girls willing to do all the work for him. That is brilliant on another level. AND IT SELLS!!!! The more amateur it is, the better it sells. The shittier you think it looks, the more money it will probably make. There is no waiting months to collect, they can sell it right away because it's cheap. Think Walmart, not Gucci.

What you did is dead and gone. Those types of dollar amounts, gone. Not even worth talking about, because those days are never coming back. Ever. Neither are my DVD sales that I used to make good money on. Gone. Swallow the pill that you don't have to be great or professional to make money anymore, even if they dollar amount per set is lower than it used to be. But production is cheaper than it used to be too, as is equipment. It's a hard pill to swallow, but the entire industry changed, like it or not, and this is where we are. All of us. Professionals and non-professionals. Now, everyone just does what they can do keep moving forward. I too wish the "good 'ol days" would come back but they never will.

It does you a great disservice to discredit this type of content, be it for quality or price, and really makes you look like you can not adapt or understand what has happened around you. You could cash in on it too and make supplemental income without doing anything at all other than turning girls loose with a camera. IMHO, that is what I would be doing if I was you and retired. Find the girls, let them do all the work, and you sell it at a fair, competitive price. But the trick to the whole thing, is taking "Paul Markham" out of the equation. There can be no you involved in creating the content, or it won't be authentic. That is the key.

I'd rather see you back to making money and having adapted to the crazy industry we're in now than beating dead horses on GFY. You have skills to shoot, there is no denying that, but they are no longer needed to make money. The only skill needed is the skill to sell the content someone else shoots (cheaply) for you. THAT is what you need to get your head around.

this is just brilliant

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by homegrownmof

Paul you are so clearly out of line here it is insane.

Ninavain has nailed that ex-gf niche

You're still hyping 90s content, and in the midst of that trying to tell Ninavain how to shoot.

When will it end?

thank you

nikki99 · 04-25-2012, 02:12 PM

DWB now I know why my selfshot mirror pics to my cock DOES sell

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 02:25 PM

Far-L · 04-25-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

thank you

I have to agree and bow to your genius concerning this type of content - and I agree with Mutt that you and Adendreams are part of a very small group of pro producers that "get it". If you don't mind I am going to incorporate much of what you suggested into our shooting guidelines for producers.

Paul Markham · 04-25-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by homegrownmof

Paul you are so clearly out of line here it is insane.

Ninavain has nailed that ex-gf niche

You're still hyping 90s content, and in the midst of that trying to tell Ninavain how to shoot.

When will it end?

Yes, she has got a supply that matches her budget.

It has nothing to do with 90s content and that's distracting from my point. Do you pay $3,000 for a BG video and set as a norm?

You and I met years ago when you were interested in buying my Astral Blue content. I didn't move away from that to where I ended up because Amateur paid better.

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them. But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

For those who can produce Met Art, Saboom, even Brazzers level. The market still exists and the higher you climb the less the competition and the more that are willing to pay. Operating at the bottom is saturated and the demand is low. So the ability to invest in ones business is limited.

Nina, the gif looks professional and nothing like what you and DWB are describing. However I know people who can shoot that all day long, what are you paying?

uniquemkt · 04-25-2012, 02:56 PM

I think it is fair to say that the market for Glam content doesn't overlap so heavily with the Homemade content market. It is a different product for a different customer. From what I've seen, the Homemade product is gaining ground fast.

I see threads on GFY about how much time people are spending with post-production, how much they're spending on cameras, etc.. That is a different product, for a different customer, in a different (enough) market.

The ultimate ex-gf/homemade content is shot by the girl with a cell phone in a bathroom. Angie Varona unwittingly did it right.

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes, she has got a supply that matches her budget.

It has nothing to do with 90s content and that's distracting from my point. Do you pay $3,000 for a BG video and set as a norm?

You and I met years ago when you were interested in buying my Astral Blue content. I didn't move away from that to where I ended up because Amateur paid better.

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them. But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

For those who can produce Met Art, Saboom, even Brazzers level. The market still exists and the higher you climb the less the competition and the more that are willing to pay. Operating at the bottom is saturated and the demand is low. So the ability to invest in ones business is limited.

Nina, the gif looks professional and nothing like what you and DWB are describing. However I know people who can shoot that all day long, what are you paying?

the GIF is the girl holding the camera herself..in the full video she moves it around talks to it and then fucks herself in the asshole until she screams and cum...I was at home a block away taking a nap..gave her the camera and told her I need 3 hours of footage..and pay $100 per hour..and "Ninavain" is a board name..you are talking to a man...a man that knows how to make money on very little..here's sales from clips4sale based on my cheap world content...1 customer...1 purchase about an hour ago

DWB · 04-25-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them.

My point is very valid. It just hasn't sunk in yet what is happening around you. I'm a producer too and I too used to make a lot of money via other methods, so I know first hand that this is a hard pill to swallow. But the sooner you do, the faster you will get caught up with the times and making money again.

You can count on two hands the companies who will pay top dollar for glam these days. However, you can't count the number of people and companies who will pay a few hundred bucks for some good GF content.

So you can spend a ton in production and hope to sell it to someone who may or may not be buying, or you can spend very little on production (acquiring content) and sell it for a smaller amount to many others who ARE buying. It's 2012, where do you think the money is? Unless you have a full time gig with Manwin, it's in cheaper content sold at lower prices.

"Amateur" is massivly in and like it or not, it's only getting bigger.

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But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

The FB girls are not selling it to end users. They are selling it to a middle man.

You can sell it just as much as anyone else sells theirs and pay no more or no less for it. You have a whole country full of untapped hotties over there to poach.

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However I know people who can shoot that all day long

Yet, they are not doing it. Perhaps holding out for those big $3000+ gigs that don't come anymore?

All I'm saying is, stop knocking it and try making money with it. You don't have anything else to do, and you obviously have the sales skills to sell to magazines, so I know you can sell content to webmasters, even if they are cheap. I'd be doing the same thing if I didn't have my own sites that kept me busy.

Dirty F · 04-25-2012, 03:45 PM

So Simon, why don't you explain to us why you keep posting under different names.
You dumb white trash piece of shit.

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So Simon, why don't you explain to us why you keep posting under different names.
You dumb white trash piece of shit.

contribute to the discussion or get the fuck out of here with that old dry ass fake drama bullshit..the industry is in a tail spin and you want to play Billy Badass on some dumb shit, you look like a fucking tool right now

Dirty F · 04-25-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

contribute to the discussion or get the fuck out of here with that old dry ass fake drama bullshit..the industry is in a tail spin and you want to play Billy Badass on some dumb shit, you look like a fucking tool right now

So why exactly do you post on different names? Care to explain? Is that he one should run a business you think?

homegrownmof · 04-25-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes, she has got a supply that matches her budget.

It has nothing to do with 90s content and that's distracting from my point. Do you pay $3,000 for a BG video and set as a norm?

You and I met years ago when you were interested in buying my Astral Blue content. I didn't move away from that to where I ended up because Amateur paid better

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them. But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

For those who can produce Met Art, Saboom, even Brazzers level. The market still exists and the higher you climb the less the competition and the more that are willing to pay. Operating at the bottom is saturated and the demand is low. So the ability to invest in ones business is limited.

Nina, the gif looks professional and nothing like what you and DWB are describing. However I know people who can shoot that all day long, what are you paying?

********** i recall meeting, it was at the Venetian. But i never wanted your Astral Blue content- i wanted the girls. And it would have taken me forever to do what DWB posted above- explain how you need to take "Paul Markham" out of the picture and just make it about the amateur girls.

************ i do recall you giving me the same lecture about how much $$ you can make by selling to mags. Same shit different year.

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So why exactly do you post on different names? Care to explain? Is that he one should run a business you think?

this is the nick theo opened for me..so ask him..now if you don't mind, grown ass men are conducting business..hell even Paul is above your punk ass in this thread

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So why exactly do you post on different names? Care to explain? Is that he one should run a business you think?

seriously, does my NIC make you jack off in the middle of the night

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by homegrownmof

********** i recall meeting, it was at the Venetian. But i never wanted your Astral Blue content- i wanted the girls. And it would have taken me forever to do what DWB posted above- explain how you need to take "Paul Markham" out of the picture and just make it about the amateur girls.

************ i do recall you giving me the same lecture about how much $$ you can make by selling to mags. Same shit different year.

truth

Dirty F · 04-25-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

this is the nick theo opened for me..so ask him..now if you don't mind, grown ass men are conducting business..hell even Paul is above your punk ass in this thread

Really? Nina was also posting under this nick. And you were also using another nick.
Weren't you even banned with 1 nick for your constant spamming?
I have no idea why people still do business with you. In the offline world someone with your business "skills" wouldn't be able to sell anything. You are very lucky this business full of dumb sleazebags (like yourself) exists.
You are pure white trash. Of the worst kind. A very low iq. Agressive, no manners whatsoever, no clue about anything. If it wasn't for the internet your daily life would consist of shooting cans outside your trailer.

Anybody who thinks about doing business with this idiot should look up some threads from the past. Mainly for the nick Simonsinister.

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Really? Nina was also posting under this nick. And you were also using another nick.
Weren't you even banned with 1 nick for your constant spamming?
I have no idea why people still do business with you. In the offline world someone with your business "skills" wouldn't be able to sell anything. You are very lucky this business full of dumb sleazebags (like yourself) exists.
You are pure white trash. Of the worst kind. A very low iq. Agressive, no manners whatsoever, no clue about anything. If it wasn't for the internet your daily life would consist of shooting cans outside your trailer.

Anybody who thinks about doing business with this idiot should look up some threads from the past. Mainly for the nick Simonsinister.

lol..thanks for the trip down memory lane Marty McFly

now for more samples
btw..this is award winner Andy San Dimas ( I brought her to vegas in 07 and introduced her to the game) You can thank me for that

that last girl turned out to be fantastic, gave some great bjs and hjs..good fuck too

mineistaken · 04-25-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by looky_lou

Or, if shot properly, sell it for $300 non-exclusive and sell it 10 times.

Who would buy ex gf non exclusive for 300$ ?

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Who would buy ex gf non exclusive for 300$ ?

every fucking body

mineistaken · 04-25-2012, 05:01 PM

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every fucking body

At least on this forum I see people selling in 10$ or 25$ price range, why would they sell that if everybody would pay 20 times more?

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

At least on this forum I see people selling in 10$ or 25$ price range, why would they sell that if everybody would pay 20 times more?

fuck I don't know..is it legal? If so, show me that shit and I'll buy some myself
I have 5k pix and 100 videos for my $300 package it's fair and it's not too much

mineistaken · 04-25-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ninavain

fuck I don't know..is it legal? If so, show me that shit and I'll buy some myself
I have 5k pix and 100 videos for my $300 package it's fair and it's not too much

Thats of course fair.

Talk was about one big picture set (of one chick going to the mall, getting back posing with 10 outfits etc) selling for that much (Paul was implying 300$ as exclusive price and somebody said "why not sell it 10 times as non exclusive")
So would many pay 300$ non exclusive for a PICTURE set of ONE model?

globofun · 04-25-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The problem is getting 18+ girls to do this. By the time they have become 18 they have heard many stories of girls being found out, blackmailed, bullied, taunted and exposed.

By old perverts?

ninavain · 04-25-2012, 05:35 PM

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By old perverts?

creeeepppy

looky_lou · 04-25-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Thats of course fair.

Talk was about one big picture set (of one chick going to the mall, getting back posing with 10 outfits etc) selling for that much (Paul was implying 300$ as exclusive price and somebody said "why not sell it 10 times as non exclusive")
So would many pay 300$ non exclusive for a PICTURE set of ONE model?

1 model hired for the day = 6-10 photo sets of 100-200 pics each, plus 2-4 teasing and or masturbation videos 10-20 min in length.

Cost to produce in the US = $300.00 - $500.00 for the model + your time.

Tell her to bring all of her own club dresses, heels, bikinis, bras, panties, worn out jeans, dildos, bongs, etc. Maybe she could even bring her own cat of dog along with its food bowl

Use you own iPhone. Go to the mall and buy 10 different fake designer and humorous cases for your phone and change them up throughout the shoot with each outfit.

Ideal is to find a nice average model with a really hair bush that is willing to shave it. Shoot some sets with the full bush. Then give her a shorter, well trimmed look for a few sets. Buzz it to a landing strip for a few sets. Finish up with a set of the actual shaving and then a few sets fully shaved.

If you can't sell this for $300.00 non-exclusive 10 times. Quit! But, if shot and done properly, this should be no problem.

mineistaken · 04-25-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by looky_lou

1 model hired for the day = 6-10 photo sets of 100-200 pics each, plus 2-4 teasing and or masturbation videos 10-20 min in length.

Cost to produce in the US = $300.00 - $500.00 for the model + your time.

Tell her to bring all of her own club dresses, heels, bikinis, bras, panties, worn out jeans, dildos, bongs, etc. Maybe she could even bring her own cat of dog along with its food bowl

Use you own iPhone. Go to the mall and buy 10 different fake designer and humorous cases for your phone and change them up throughout the shoot with each outfit.

Ideal is to find a nice average model with a really hair bush that is willing to shave it. Shoot some sets with the full bush. Then give her a shorter, well trimmed look for a few sets. Buzz it to a landing strip for a few sets. Finish up with a set of the actual shaving and then a few sets fully shaved.

If you can't sell this for $300.00 non-exclusive 10 times. Quit! But, if shot and done properly, this should be no problem.

Do you suggest making only "self shot" style in this case? Or mix it up with "boyfriend shot"?

Also what if its done as you say but no nude photos (just underwear)? Would that still sell, just for less money, like 150$ non exclusive x 10 times or it won't sell nearly as good?

Mutt · 04-25-2012, 06:22 PM

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And I don't?

doh! yes you do shoot good ex-gf - i see it all over

BareBacked · 04-25-2012, 06:57 PM

really great work and spot on . The samples you posted look totally real

looky_lou · 04-25-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Do you suggest making only "self shot" style in this case? Or mix it up with "boyfriend shot"?

Also what if its done as you say but no nude photos (just underwear)? Would that still sell, just for less money, like 150$ non exclusive x 10 times or it won't sell nearly as good?

I don't know for sure. I am just throwing out my opinion.

I would mix it up with boyfriend shot and self shot. Personally I prefer self shot, primarily mirror with the phone visible in the shot. Maybe hit up a few thrift shops and pick up several different mirrors to shoot with. It doesn't all have to be in the bathroom or dresser mirror.

I think that non-nude would probably sell, but you open yourself to more markets if you have both. I want to see the provocative clothing, bikini, bra and panties with a little flashing and nip and pussy slips, etc. But I also want the full nude and masturbation if possible. The difference in model cost is minimal between non-nude and full nude, but you open your options being able to sell both.

From the affiliate side of things, I don't see many sites that have consistently good, legal GF or self shot content. I know there is a need for this content, so I assume there is a market for it if done correctly.

epitome · 04-25-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sorry if my pointing out most of you can't afford to invest in your businesses upsets you. You see I come from a business where investing in what we did was normal.

Met Art and a host of other top sites didn't get where they are today without a lot of investment.

Anyway sharing advice like Nina is, isn't the cleverest business model. Now you're asking her to walk you through her process. How about she just finds them for you and sends them straight to you.

epitome will you tell that to the judge when you're in court for publishing CP?

Nine, go ask a lawyer, don't listen to people on a board when it comes to your freedom.

Thanks for your wrong advice again, Paul.

Counsel is sought before a project, not if there is a problem.

Proactively seeking legal advice is investing in your business and you suggest should be done.

So much for having me on ignore, huh?

Also, are you implying that I publish CP? Time to email Theo and Eric for another time out for you.

epitome · 04-25-2012, 10:17 PM

The irony is that one reason amateur self-shot is so popular these days is because people are tired of the sterile cookie cutter porn people like Markham produced.

Some of the best selling sites these days are amateur. Paul can't grasp that you can spend a $100 or so on a self-shot set you buy from the model exclusive and can sell more memberships than a $2,000 scene shot in a studio.

Paul Markham · 04-26-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

My point is very valid. It just hasn't sunk in yet what is happening around you. I'm a producer too and I too used to make a lot of money via other methods, so I know first hand that this is a hard pill to swallow. But the sooner you do, the faster you will get caught up with the times and making money again.

Making money paying a model and shooting scenes for a few hundred bucks for a good Ex Gf scene.

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You can count on two hands the companies who will pay top dollar for glam these days. However, you can't count the number of people and companies who will pay a few hundred bucks for some good GF content.

Yes and those up there are making money.

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So you can spend a ton in production and hope to sell it to someone who may or may not be buying, or you can spend very little on production (acquiring content) and sell it for a smaller amount to many others who ARE buying. It's 2012, where do you think the money is? Unless you have a full time gig with Manwin, it's in cheaper content sold at lower prices.

Yes the business has changed, it5's now all about pennies for content.

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"Amateur" is massivly in and like it or not, it's only getting bigger.

On the consumer side or the supplier side?

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The FB girls are not selling it to end users. They are selling it to a middle man.

Agreed, that's how most shooters made enough to retire on.

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You can sell it just as much as anyone else sells theirs and pay no more or no less for it. You have a whole country full of untapped hotties over there to poach.

Yes, give me a price and requirements and I will see if it's cost effective. Situation is Madalton who still works isn't bothering with it. However new girs here are thin in the ground. they don't want to do sex scenes that will be seen by the world for a few hundred bucks.

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Yet, they are not doing it. Perhaps holding out for those big $3000+ gigs that don't come anymore?

which is why I decided to retire on the money I made for the $3,000+ gigs that used to come.

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All I'm saying is, stop knocking it and try making money with it. You don't have anything else to do, and you obviously have the sales skills to sell to magazines, so I know you can sell content to webmasters, even if they are cheap. I'd be doing the same thing if I didn't have my own sites that kept me busy.

Because of the profit margin.

I appreciate what you're saying. The business has changed tremendously. It's now dominated by people working in one/two man bands. With little money to invest and only able to work at the bottom of the ladder. The reason is they simply don't have the budgets to climb up to the level where Met Art and a lot more can operate. So they get into niches anyone can get into and it seems a lot do. This means the demand for their version of it is low. This has never changed in porn. It was true in 1980 and true today.

I'm knocking not just Nina but all the Ex Gf site owners and their attitude that we can't shoot it. We're bright enough to give girls a camera and tell them to do it themselves. Or find a good looking guy with charm to shoot girls as a BF would. There are others here who can go onto the Czech sections of FB and look for girls, or Polish, Hungarian, Rumanian, etc. Do they?

Maybe they do, I have no idea. Or maybe the price dictates the site owners have to do it themselves. As there's not enough money to pay a middle man. If there is enough, there's the solution. Instead of them trawling English speaking social networks they get others in less costly place to trawl locally.

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Originally Posted by homegrownmof

********** i recall meeting, it was at the Venetian. But i never wanted your Astral Blue content- i wanted the girls. And it would have taken me forever to do what DWB posted above- explain how you need to take "Paul Markham" out of the picture and just make it about the amateur girls.

************ i do recall you giving me the same lecture about how much $$ you can make by selling to mags. Same shit different year.

No we came down to San Diego and you and someone else took me and my wife out to lunch to buy my Astral Blue content. I wasn't selling at the price you were offering. Probably because I could make more money then selling to others. That's the nature of business.

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Who would buy ex gf non exclusive for 300$ ?

No one, otherwise there would be a deluge of people shooting sets for $3,000. Because anyone can shoot what Ex Gf needs. Or get a person to shoot it who isn't pro.

Paul Markham · 04-26-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by looky_lou

1 model hired for the day = 6-10 photo sets of 100-200 pics each, plus 2-4 teasing and or masturbation videos 10-20 min in length.

Cost to produce in the US = $300.00 - $500.00 for the model + your time.

Tell her to bring all of her own club dresses, heels, bikinis, bras, panties, worn out jeans, dildos, bongs, etc. Maybe she could even bring her own cat of dog along with its food bowl

Use you own iPhone. Go to the mall and buy 10 different fake designer and humorous cases for your phone and change them up throughout the shoot with each outfit.

Ideal is to find a nice average model with a really hair bush that is willing to shave it. Shoot some sets with the full bush. Then give her a shorter, well trimmed look for a few sets. Buzz it to a landing strip for a few sets. Finish up with a set of the actual shaving and then a few sets fully shaved.

If you can't sell this for $300.00 non-exclusive 10 times. Quit! But, if shot and done properly, this should be no problem.

No one will pay $300 for that non exclusive. If they would, they would be cherry picking suppliers.

Buyers paying $3,000 for an exclusive scene for anything but top notch are inundated with suppliers. so would Ex Gf sites paying $300 for non exclusive. Content shooters would all be doing it instead of shooting decent work for a lot less. It's one of ROI.

You would need to change locations a few time with new girls.

MaDalton · 04-26-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Situation is Madalton who still works isn't bothering with it. However new girs here are thin in the ground. they don't want to do sex scenes that will be seen by the world for a few hundred bucks.

i am not bothering with what? contacting girls on facebook? no, i dont do that, indeed. But our exGF content has made us VERY good money.

Paul Markham · 04-26-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am not bothering with what? contacting girls on facebook? no, i dont do that, indeed. But our exGF content has made us VERY good money.

So has mine and continues to. My point was that many could and would be doing it if there was decent money in it. You can shoot an Ex Gf set as part of a day's work and a bonus on top. How many times a month do you devote to shooting nothing but Ex Gf and would you if it paid well enough?

Moffat, so you asked me for access to the Astral Blue girls in Vegas. So who was going to shoot them? As in the mid 90s they couldn't shoot themselves, especially on a mobile phone.

When we met in Vegas I would of been in Czech and had all the Astral Blue content stored in boxes on RAW tapes and wasn't using it. Also the girls I shot for Astral Blue would of been 5-15 years older. Probably some would of been Mums.

Maybe you were asking me to shoot Amateur content here in Czech and I was telling you that there were better paying markets. I like everyone worked for the best price I could get.

You were probably confusing me with another shooter who was telling you your prices were high enough. Mind you, that could of been me.

Changing times. I realise better then most that the industry has changed.

Matyko · 04-26-2012, 02:14 AM

Paul M : you annoy the fuck out of this forum. You spend too much time on this board and crap your very smart remarks in every fucking thread. Its really, really annoying. Fatfoo was annoying too, but at least he had a STYLE and was able to make ppl smile. You Can Not.

Paul Markham · 04-26-2012, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Paul M : you annoy the fuck out of this forum. You spend too much time on this board and crap your very smart remarks in every fucking thread. Its really, really annoying. Fatfoo was annoying too, but at least he had a STYLE and was able to make ppl smile. You Can Not.

Then put me on ignore.

And don't reply to me, that's really dumb.

ninavain · 04-26-2012, 07:28 AM

I wished you'd put me on ignore, because with all your babbling...you still have no fucking clue...

yuu.design · 04-26-2012, 07:34 AM

good advices

ninavain · 04-26-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by yuu

good advices

thank you

epitome · 04-26-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then put me on ignore.

And don't reply to me, that's really dumb.

Kettle, meet pot.

ninavain · 04-27-2012, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matyko

Paul M : you annoy the fuck out of this forum. You spend too much time on this board and crap your very smart remarks in every fucking thread. Its really, really annoying. Fatfoo was annoying too, but at least he had a STYLE and was able to make ppl smile. You Can Not.

ninavain · 05-05-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

The irony is that one reason amateur self-shot is so popular these days is because people are tired of the sterile cookie cutter porn people like Markham produced.

Some of the best selling sites these days are amateur. Paul can't grasp that you can spend a $100 or so on a self-shot set you buy from the model exclusive and can sell more memberships than a $2,000 scene shot in a studio.

Paul Markham · 05-06-2012, 02:03 AM

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The irony is that one reason amateur self-shot is so popular these days is because people are tired of the sterile cookie cutter porn people like Markham produced.

Some of the best selling sites these days are amateur. Paul can't grasp that you can spend a $100 or so on a self-shot set you buy from the model exclusive and can sell more memberships than a $2,000 scene shot in a studio.

Which is why so many sponsors are moving towards the better end.

Maybe Epitome would like to name these great sites and then compare them to sites that can afford to spend $2,000 and up on a scene.

I'm not denying amateur is a very popular niche, that's saturated with sites and free content. It's like teen sites in that respect.

Yes getting any niche perfectly right will convert. I recently saw a great scene with 2 girls in a bath and a BF shooting them, then one girl which I think was the GF gave the BF a BJ, while the other girl shot it. It went through to real sex.

Great scene and it will convert and a site full of this content will retain.

And it can't be bought for $100.

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04-26-2012, 02:14 AM	#90
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04-25-2012, 02:25 PM	#57
ninavain So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268

04-25-2012, 02:56 PM	#60
uniquemkt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 305	I think it is fair to say that the market for Glam content doesn't overlap so heavily with the Homemade content market. It is a different product for a different customer. From what I've seen, the Homemade product is gaining ground fast. I see threads on GFY about how much time people are spending with post-production, how much they're spending on cameras, etc.. That is a different product, for a different customer, in a different (enough) market. The ultimate ex-gf/homemade content is shot by the girl with a cell phone in a bathroom. Angie Varona unwittingly did it right.

04-25-2012, 03:45 PM	#63
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	So Simon, why don't you explain to us why you keep posting under different names. You dumb white trash piece of shit.

04-25-2012, 10:17 PM	#85
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	The irony is that one reason amateur self-shot is so popular these days is because people are tired of the sterile cookie cutter porn people like Markham produced. Some of the best selling sites these days are amateur. Paul can't grasp that you can spend a $100 or so on a self-shot set you buy from the model exclusive and can sell more memberships than a $2,000 scene shot in a studio.

04-26-2012, 07:28 AM	#92
ninavain So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268	I wished you'd put me on ignore, because with all your babbling...you still have no fucking clue...