Are American Jews fed up with Israel? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

moeloubani · 05-11-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

The tiny numbers of Jews who are "fed up" with Israel will be wondering where in the world they will be able to run to, when the latest wave of rising anti-semitism in the world crashes through their own doors, and they realize that no other government in the world is going to protect them, and that there is no where else to go....

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Yeah you're right it's not like the last time something like that happened the world banded together to help the Jews. It's not like the Jews were freed by someone other than Israel the last time, right? Fuck all those US Russian French and Canadian lives that were lost saving your butts, right?

sperbonzo · 05-11-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Yeah you're right it's not like the last time something like that happened the world banded together to help the Jews. It's not like the Jews were freed by someone other than Israel the last time, right? Fuck all those US Russian French and Canadian lives that were lost saving your butts, right?

They weren't lost saving the Jews, that was just a side note. They were stopping the German invasion of Europe and Russia.

After the war all those countries, including the US, then denied the Jews refuge as they were trying leave Germany and Poland after the war.

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Barefootsies · 05-11-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

After the war all those countries, including the US, then denied the Jews refuge as they were trying leave Germany and Poland after the war.

You mean after the World War, with your country in ruins (in case of Germany and Poland)? Essentially where you have to start from scratch and can barely feed your own citizens?

I can see why a country in ruins would not want a million more mouths to feed. Jew or otherwise.

Supz · 05-11-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man

I beg to differ.

Keep begging. One day you might differ.

ruff · 05-11-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

When was the last time we had a draft?

Don't fool yourself. This country is perfectly capable of instituting a draft at any time, especially in the event of an unpopular war.

baddog · 05-11-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff

Don't fool yourself. This country is perfectly capable of instituting a draft at any time, especially in the event of an unpopular war.

Nice avoidance of the question.

sperbonzo · 05-11-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You mean after the World War, with your country in ruins (in case of Germany and Poland)? Essentially where you have to start from scratch and can barely feed your own citizens?

I can see why a country in ruins would not want a million more mouths to feed. Jew or otherwise.

Apparently you misread me, or are unaware of history. What I'm saying is that the US, Canada, the UK, etc.... refused to allow the Jews that were still alive to flee Germany and Poland and come to their countries. Please re-read my post.

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mafia_man · 05-11-2012, 02:37 PM

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Keep begging. One day you might differ.

I don't think so. Like he said in the interview, most Jews are liberal and you can't be liberal and support what Israel is doing. They're at odds with each other.

MaDalton · 05-11-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Apparently you misread me, or are unaware of history. What I'm saying is that the US, Canada, the UK, etc.... refused to allow the Jews that were still alive to flee Germany and Poland and come to their countries. Please re-read my post.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

but not only after the war, also before when many jews tried to leave Germany. hardly any country was willing to accept jewish immigrants or only in very small numbers

Barefootsies · 05-11-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

but not only after the war, also before when many jews tried to leave Germany. hardly any country was willing to accept jewish immigrants or only in very small numbers

We did not accept all of the Cuban, Jamacian, or other "refugees" in the past. In the middle east, other Arab countries did not accept everyone who were fleeing Iraq (or other counties) during the war. I am sure some of the same could be said for the countries surrounding Serbia or Dafur. At some point, they close their borders to keep from being overrun with freeloaders.

Not everything is world conspiracy or hatred of the jew.

Just Alex · 05-11-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

They weren't lost saving the Jews, that was just a side note. They were stopping the German invasion of Europe and Russia.

After the war all those countries, including the US, then denied the Jews refuge as they were trying leave Germany and Poland after the war.

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And millions of russians, ukranians, poles, gypsies died in death camps, yet its only the Jews who went through Holocaust.

moeloubani · 05-11-2012, 03:55 PM

Oops double post

Just Alex · 05-11-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Apparently you misread me, or are unaware of history. What I'm saying is that the US, Canada, the UK, etc.... refused to allow the Jews that were still alive to flee Germany and Poland and come to their countries. Please re-read my post.

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And what about thousands of Mexicans waiting for years to be re-united with their families ? Fuck you Mike. Right now immigration backlog is like 7 years and its because everyone is anti-Mexican? its called quota and thats what jews had to deal with in order to immigrate. Just like other immigrants from communist china or soviet union.

moeloubani · 05-11-2012, 03:56 PM

Judging by the responses in this thread I would say yes, Americans are fed up with Israel.

There is no other group of people as powerful as the Jewish people that cry as much about being persecuted.

Less than 1% of Jewish people in the world and you have the heads of tons of companies as a Jewish person, a vast amount of the wealth in the world is in the hand of Jewish people. Add to that 25% of Nobel Prizes being won by Jews and something like 80% of actors being Jewish. By any statistic you guys are doing great - better than the rest of us. Can you stop it with the persecuted peoples bullshit?

Just Alex · 05-11-2012, 03:57 PM

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005468

What a load of horse shit:

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In January 1933 there were some 523,000 Jews in Germany, representing less than 1 percent of the country's total population.

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By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

wehateporn · 05-11-2012, 03:59 PM

There are a few obvious giveaways, one is the higher than average intelligence (in particular the Ashkenazim), the other is that you can often recognize visually that a person is of Jewish origin. I would go into this in more detail, but fortunately Wikipedia can save me a lot of time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

"The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group

"An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both"

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the only way to tell a jew from another human based on dna is from all the inbreeding that has gone on. Ergo tay sachs (spelling) aside from that there is no difference. Calling jews ethnic, we might as well call hillbillies ethnic southerners. It's a religion. Nothing more.
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Barefootsies · 05-11-2012, 04:03 PM

Oh snap! Those pesky little WWII "facts" are busting out the bitch slaps now.

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Judging by the responses in this thread I would say yes, Americans are fed up with Israel.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

There is no other group of people as powerful as the Jewish people that cry as much about being persecuted.

No shit.

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Less than 1% of Jewish people in the world and you have the heads of tons of companies as a Jewish person, a vast amount of the wealth in the world is in the hand of Jewish people. Add to that 25% of Nobel Prizes being won by Jews and something like 80% of actors being Jewish. By any statistic you guys are doing great - better than the rest of us. Can you stop it with the persecuted peoples bullshit?

Sing it sista.

wehateporn · 05-11-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Not by way of debate here, but just for your own info, the kid in the first video traveled to Israel specifically so that he could protest the actions of the country, not to find out anything for himself, but just to protest.

Completely agree, he seems to be a trouble-maker.

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

As for the second video, these are sects of chabbah haridim that believe that Israel should not exist, based on obscure religious interpretations of the Torah. They are a very small sect of wackos that throw rocks at women who wear short skirts and people driving their cars on Shabbat. Meanwhile they live off of government handouts so that they can read the Torah all day every day.

These guys are passionate, they make some interesting points, like you say they are viewed as unproductive in Israeli society

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Regardless of your opinion of Israel, I'm just saying that these videos are not exactly representative of much.

Completely agree that they're not representative, I was posting them more for the display of passion.

Overall my own view is that like in the US and the UK, there are an elite few running the show, the populations are kept in a bubble knowing very little of the real agenda at play. We are told that Israel was set up for some very good reasons, but in reality IMHO the House of Rothschild (they used Theodor Herzl who was a good guy) wanted a country of their own in the middle east.

I think it would be very nice if the Jewish people did have their own country (instead of a Rothschild military base) one day, for the right reasons. In the same way as it would be nice if the elite really cared about the planet, rather than 'Climate Change' being used as a political movement to put global taxes in place. And in the same way as if the women's rights movement had really been to give women rights, rather than to manipulate them into working and being taxed, breaking down the family unit. (Feminism funded by the Rockefellers)

Major (Tom) · 05-11-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

And millions of russians, ukranians, poles, gypsies died in death camps, yet its only the Jews who went through Holocaust.

Spot on
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moeloubani · 05-11-2012, 04:35 PM

And hey look at what Israel did when Palestine allowed 60,000 Jewish refugees. They kicked the Palestinians out and have been keeping them in apartheid conditions for over 60 years.

Major (Tom) · 05-11-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

There are a few obvious giveaways, one is the higher than average intelligence (in particular the Ashkenazim), the other is that you can often recognize visually that a person is of Jewish origin. I would go into this in more detail, but fortunately Wikipedia can save me a lot of time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

"The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group

"An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both"

Ashkenazi's are as inbred as joebob & bubba. The rest have been interbreeding with egyptians, romans, greeks since antiquity. It's mainly the ZZ Top jews who look alike & have the most health issues due to inbeeding/incest etc.
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Joe Obenberger · 05-11-2012, 04:41 PM

According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany, including the Saar region (which at that time was still under the administration of the League of Nations), was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.)

Some 80 percent (about 400,000) of the Jews in Germany held German citizenship. The remainder were mostly Jews of Polish citizenship. Many of the Polish Jews had been born in Germany and had permanent resident status.

source: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005276, The United States Holocost Musem

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The United States admitted about 100,000 prior to 1939 (during the years from 1933 to 1943, there were 400,000 unfilled slots in the U.S. quota system which had been established by the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924; however, Germany's quota was filled and the quotas were non-transferable!) England accepted 80,000, Holland, 22,000, Belgium, about 13,000, Switzerland, 9,000, Argentina, 20,000, other Latin American countries, about 20,000. British-controlled Palestine only admitted about 70,000 prior to 1941. . .

The Emigration Center encountered serious difficulties finding countries around the world to open their doors to Jews. However, there was enough interest to cause President Roosevelt to call a meeting of some 32 nations to discuss the problem. They convened at Evian, France on July 6, 1938.

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/emigrate.html. That totals about 330,000. The number concerning emigration to Palestine counts only legal immigration.

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The New York metropolitan area is home to the largest Jewish population in the world outside Israel. The New York metropolitan area's Jewish population in 2001 was approximately 1.97 million, 600,000 fewer than in Israel's largest metropolitan area, denoted as Gush Dan. In 2002, an estimated 972,000 Ashkenazic Jews lived in New York City and constituted about 12% of the city's population. New York City is also home to the world headquarters of the Hasidic Chabad-Lubavitch group and the Bobover, Pupa, Vizhnitz and Satmar branches of Hasidism, ultra-Orthodox sects of Judaism.

Souce - Wikipedia.

Barefootsies · 05-11-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

And hey look at what Israel did when Palestine allowed 60,000 Jewish refugees. They kicked the Palestinians out and have been keeping them in apartheid conditions for over 60 years.

wehateporn · 05-11-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Ashkenazi's are as inbred as joebob & bubba. The rest have been interbreeding with egyptians, romans, greeks since antiquity. It's mainly the ZZ Top jews who look alike & have the most health issues due to inbeeding/incest etc.
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The Sephardics are a successful bunch too, but it doesn't show up on Intelligence tests. I find it difficult to know a Sephardi visually, but they clearly have something special that makes them more likely to succeed in life

theking · 05-11-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...lk/9719381.stm

In answer to the question...certainly not the majority.

theking · 05-11-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Are Americans finally fed up with Israel?

No...not the majority.

mafia_man · 05-11-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

In answer to the question...certainly not the majority.

Fuck stats. Fuck polls. Fuck evidence. The King has spoken.

ruff · 05-11-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Nice avoidance of the question.

What's to avoid? 69, 352

theking · 05-11-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man

Fuck stats. Fuck polls. Fuck evidence. The King has spoken.

Yes...I have spoken based upon scientific polls that have been taken...thank you very much.

Overload · 05-11-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

I'm so sick of jews whine-ing about the holocaust...they are the biggest racists in the world, they have an apart-heid double standard state where everybody non jewish is basically a 2nd grade citizen but all I hear is whine whine whine....

Man if so many people, during the course of history, were out to get you so many times, then there MUST be a reason for it

ouch ... say that out loud in germany and yer bound for the slammer ... even here - freedom has its limits

Major (Tom) · 05-11-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

No...not the majority.

sure they are. The south & any enlightened person is fed up with the terrorist state known as israel
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MetaMan · 05-11-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

When I go down to SoCal with family we go down to The Grove, and in that area is a Jewish section - very old school, lots of Jewish men with long beards. It's odd to see in Modern America.

If you study the Holocaust at all, you understand Israel's position. Never before in history has any one race been threatened with their very existence. And this is why Israel exists now - to give a safe place to the Jews.

American Jews are just that - American -and frankly don't give a shit about the rest of the world. They feel safe in the US and don't live in fear like the country of Israel does.

I'm not saying I condone their actions, I'm just saying I understand.

Look up the Ukrainian famine, Armenian genocide, the list goes on throughout history. You are a brainwashed American. You from birth are taught what to think so I do not blame you.

Israel runs America and your school system.

ruff · 05-11-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Look up the Ukrainian famine, Armenian genocide, the list goes on throughout history. You are a brainwashed American. You from birth are taught what to think so I do not blame you.

Israel runs America and your school system.

I'm sure if Israel ran our school system we would be smarter. As far as America, no, Hollywood yes.

MetaMan · 05-11-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff

I'm sure if Israel ran our school system we would be smarter. As far as America, no, Hollywood yes.

Um no you fucking idiot. They choose what you are taught so you can be controlled. How on earth can they control a smart population? If you had a smart population you would realize the USA is a proxy army for Israel.

Instead you have a population of Americans who think they are smart who are actually stupid. This way you won't even bother to look what is really going on because your head is so far up your ass.

Why do you think the USA is in all wars that Israel wants? Grow a brain.

theking · 05-11-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Um no you fucking idiot. They choose what you are taught so you can be controlled. How on earth can they control a smart population? If you had a smart population you would realize the USA is a proxy army for Israel.

Instead you have a population of Americans who think they are smart who are actually stupid. This way you won't even bother to look what is really going on because your head is so far up your ass.

Why do you think the USA is in all wars that Israel wants? Grow a brain.

Utter pigshit...so much so it makes you appear tp be a fruitcake.

Captain Kawaii · 05-11-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...lk/9719381.stm

I think its more about the Israeli cabinet and their leadership. Some of their own cabinet members are calling out others in gov there as liars and worse.
IMHO, Zionists are the main problem...Wall Streeters are next up... Why? Because both are blind to anything but their objective.

imabro · 05-11-2012, 10:37 PM

the south

theking · 05-11-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

True, but some Jews in Israel are also treated this way themselves. Here's some facts most people don't know about Israel. All the PM's Israel has had came from Eastern Europe. Meaning, some of them were born in Israel, but ALL of their families came for Eastern Europe or primarily from the old Russian empire.

Israels 14 Supreme court justices. 10 came from EE or families did, 2 Germans, 1 Swede, and the only Israeli of Arab descent? - Christian.

The Israeli parliament (similar to our congress) called the Knesset, all primarily EE bloodlines. In short, there are a couple million Sephardic Jews in Israel who truly have no voice and looked down upon as American whites did to blacks in the 60's.

You're probably wondering where Jesus is going with this? Millions of none EE Jews Italians, French, Germans, etc. who were also killed in the death camps will NEVER have a voice in Israel. All Jews get a bad rap because of what Israel is doing/done when in truth, Israel has always been ran, or will be ran, primarily by eastern European Jews with this mentality.

Again, the Bolsheviks were primarily all eastern European Jews who employed other Jews to roam the Russian countryside purging, confiscating property, and killing the none-Jew populace. These same Jews then employed the local Jews to handle the state distribution of goods and services as they starved million out of greed or sent them to the gulags.

So when the Germans rolled into Eastern Europe the local populace was more then happy to point out all the Jews because even under the Soviet state system, Jews lived well beyond their needs comparatively with ZERO empathy for none Jews and why Jews were later treated so incredibly poorly by the Germans.

Finally, the main reason why Germany started the negative propaganda about Jews? They were terrified that communism would spread to Germany. Why? -In the late 1800's Russia was the strongest and wealthiest country in the world as they were eventually brought down by a minority of Jewish Bolsheviks. It actually almost took root in Germany, why Germans first purged the western European Jews, and why most other countries would not take Jews during or after the war.

So where does this leave us today? Again, Israel is ran by Eastern European Jews who rally support and influence from other Jews under a religious flag. Religion is just a propaganda tool for the elite few who again, want to habitually dominate and control purely for minority selfish interest.

I remember reading somewhere it only took 5 German soldiers to guard 500 Jews and when asked why the Jews didn't overpower the guards? The guard replied, most Jews were too selfish to sacrifice themselves for the greater good even when they knew they were probably going to die.

This is why I firmly believe Israel will be the reason why we Americans will have some serious troubles in our near future and why we need to tough love them with a firm no like a spoiled child and remind them, there wouldn't be an Israel if it wasn't for us Americans.

Pigshit.

Just Alex · 05-11-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

Jew.

theking · 05-11-2012, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Jew.

I am not a Jew...ethnically or religiously...in fact I am not religious at all and have never been. I do not currently know any Jews though I have known a handful of Jews in my life time.

Just Alex · 05-11-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

I am not a Jew...ethnically or religiously...in fact I am not religious at all and have never been. I do not currently know any Jews though I have known a handful of Jews in my life time.

Sure pal.

Cherry7 · 05-12-2012, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

True, but some Jews in Israel are also treated this way themselves. Here's some facts most people don't know about Israel. All the PM's Israel has had came from Eastern Europe. Meaning, some of them were born in Israel, but ALL of their families came for Eastern Europe or primarily from the old Russian empire.

Israels 14 Supreme court justices. 10 came from EE or families did, 2 Germans, 1 Swede, and the only Israeli of Arab descent? - Christian.

The Israeli parliament (similar to our congress) called the Knesset, all primarily EE bloodlines. In short, there are a couple million Sephardic Jews in Israel who truly have no voice and looked down upon as American whites did to blacks in the 60's.

You're probably wondering where Jesus is going with this? Millions of none EE Jews Italians, French, Germans, etc. who were also killed in the death camps will NEVER have a voice in Israel. All Jews get a bad rap because of what Israel is doing/done when in truth, Israel has always been ran, or will be ran, primarily by eastern European Jews with this mentality.

Again, the Bolsheviks were primarily all eastern European Jews who employed other Jews to roam the Russian countryside purging, confiscating property, and killing the none-Jew populace. These same Jews then employed the local Jews to handle the state distribution of goods and services as they starved million out of greed or sent them to the gulags.

So when the Germans rolled into Eastern Europe the local populace was more then happy to point out all the Jews because even under the Soviet state system, Jews lived well beyond their needs comparatively with ZERO empathy for none Jews and why Jews were later treated so incredibly poorly by the Germans.

Finally, the main reason why Germany started the negative propaganda about Jews? They were terrified that communism would spread to Germany. Why? -In the late 1800's Russia was the strongest and wealthiest country in the world as they were eventually brought down by a minority of Jewish Bolsheviks. It actually almost took root in Germany, why Germans first purged the western European Jews, and why most other countries would not take Jews during or after the war.

So where does this leave us today? Again, Israel is ran by Eastern European Jews who rally support and influence from other Jews under a religious flag. Religion is just a propaganda tool for the elite few who again, want to habitually dominate and control purely for minority selfish interest.

I remember reading somewhere it only took 5 German soldiers to guard 500 Jews and when asked why the Jews didn't overpower the guards? The guard replied, most Jews were too selfish to sacrifice themselves for the greater good even when they knew they were probably going to die.

This is why I firmly believe Israel will be the reason why we Americans will have some serious troubles in our near future and why we need to tough love them with a firm no like a spoiled child and remind them, there wouldn't be an Israel if it wasn't for us Americans.

This is as near as I have come to reading fascist understanding of history. All through the sick glasses of race.
Not all people are obsessed by race, some people, healthy people, judge people by their actions and find good and bad in all.

Jews have been in the forefront in the peace movement in the UK , against the wars in IRaq and Gaza.

Lots of people fought against fascism before and during the war. The British fascists tried to march into the Jewish East End of London and the people stopped them.

A lot of Jewish people remained in eastern Europe after the war, the leader of the Lodz Ghetto still does.

Diomed · 05-12-2012, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Not by way of debate here, but just for your own info, the kid in the first video traveled to Israel specifically so that he could protest the actions of the country, not to find out anything for himself, but just to protest.

As for the second video, these are sects of chabbah haridim that believe that Israel should not exist, based on obscure religious interpretations of the Torah. They are a very small sect of wackos that throw rocks at women who wear short skirts and people driving their cars on Shabbat. Meanwhile they live off of government handouts so that they can read the Torah all day every day.

Regardless of your opinion of Israel, I'm just saying that these videos are not exactly representative of much.

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Why call them wackos? The guy speaking sounded very peaceful, and his thoughts about co-existing in harmony did not sound all that unreasonable.

I'm a little bothered by people whom think anyone outside their own race inferior, be it any religion or set of beliefs. That kind of self righteousness doesn't bode well for generations being raised under it. Don't get me wrong, I hate ignorance as much as the next guy.

Simply,

I really don't agree with people who are "too" involved in any religion, people that have no experience with thinking outside the box they were born in. So so many jews are raised strict, and never once even ponder reasoning outside of what they have been taught. Be it out of fear, lack of imagination, or whatever the reason. A lot of religious nuts are like this.

Empathy and understanding of your neighbors mentality is a far under utilized tool these days. I know when I was a kid, whatever war we fought in America, I was like.. Fuck those guys, lets kill them all.. only because I loved my country and was raised to believe in it. We aren't always doing the wrong, but it certainly helps to be a bit more objective about things, and maintain a higher level of empathy.

Diomed · 05-12-2012, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Regardless of your opinion of Israel, I'm just saying that these videos are not exactly representative of much.

Definitely will agree with this,

and I'm not saying the guys in the videos are completely innocent and pure.. but from what they said in the videos they sounded fairly sensible.

ruff · 05-12-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Um no you fucking idiot. They choose what you are taught so you can be controlled. How on earth can they control a smart population? If you had a smart population you would realize the USA is a proxy army for Israel.

Instead you have a population of Americans who think they are smart who are actually stupid. This way you won't even bother to look what is really going on because your head is so far up your ass.

Why do you think the USA is in all wars that Israel wants? Grow a brain.

I've seen you on GFY before. Now you're back? Who are you? I see you've got 26k posts. Posts of what? Are you a surfer or one of those rich webmasters that I read about all the time? Well, I guess we need guys like you to fill space. When is your 13th birthday?

Barry-xlovecam · 05-12-2012, 07:57 AM

Norman Finkelstein is as relevant to Jewish-Ameican thinking as Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh is to right wing American opinion.

I am sure that maybe 30% do agree with his ideas -- Hell, how many [**edited] agreed with Rick Santorum's philosophy?

Have you seen his website? http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/

Google trends poll USA 30 interest
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=iran...ate=mtd&sort=4

Iran 0.55
Mitt Romney 0.65
Obama 3.75
Gay Marriage 0.50
Israel 1.00

asdasd · 05-12-2012, 08:23 AM

asdasd · 05-12-2012, 08:49 AM

What he said.

asdasd · 05-12-2012, 08:49 AM

oppoten · 05-12-2012, 09:33 AM

Jewish propoganda, as exemplified by the video above, is lying on an industrial scale. It's an affront to all peoples who seek truth and who value truth.

The lack of respect they have for Gentiles is staggering.

05-11-2012, 03:55 PM	#62
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Oops double post Last edited by moeloubani; 05-11-2012 at 03:56 PM..

05-11-2012, 04:41 PM	#72
Joe Obenberger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 466	According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany, including the Saar region (which at that time was still under the administration of the League of Nations), was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.) Some 80 percent (about 400,000) of the Jews in Germany held German citizenship. The remainder were mostly Jews of Polish citizenship. Many of the Polish Jews had been born in Germany and had permanent resident status. source: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005276, The United States Holocost Musem * The United States admitted about 100,000 prior to 1939 (during the years from 1933 to 1943, there were 400,000 unfilled slots in the U.S. quota system which had been established by the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924; however, Germany's quota was filled and the quotas were non-transferable!) England accepted 80,000, Holland, 22,000, Belgium, about 13,000, Switzerland, 9,000, Argentina, 20,000, other Latin American countries, about 20,000. British-controlled Palestine only admitted about 70,000 prior to 1941. . . The Emigration Center encountered serious difficulties finding countries around the world to open their doors to Jews. However, there was enough interest to cause President Roosevelt to call a meeting of some 32 nations to discuss the problem. They convened at Evian, France on July 6, 1938. http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/emigrate.html. That totals about 330,000. The number concerning emigration to Palestine counts only legal immigration. * The New York metropolitan area is home to the largest Jewish population in the world outside Israel. The New York metropolitan area's Jewish population in 2001 was approximately 1.97 million, 600,000 fewer than in Israel's largest metropolitan area, denoted as Gush Dan. In 2002, an estimated 972,000 Ashkenazic Jews lived in New York City and constituted about 12% of the city's population. New York City is also home to the world headquarters of the Hasidic Chabad-Lubavitch group and the Bobover, Pupa, Vizhnitz and Satmar branches of Hasidism, ultra-Orthodox sects of Judaism. Souce - Wikipedia. __________________ Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. . . Restraint in the pursuit of Justice is no virtue. Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964

05-12-2012, 07:57 AM	#96
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Norman Finkelstein is as relevant to Jewish-Ameican thinking as Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh is to right wing American opinion. I am sure that maybe 30% do agree with his ideas -- Hell, how many [*edited] agreed with Rick Santorum's philosophy? Have you seen his website? http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/ Google trends poll USA 30 interest http://www.google.com/trends/?q=iran...ate=mtd&sort=4 Iran 0.55 Mitt Romney 0.65 Obama 3.75 Gay Marriage 0.50 Israel 1.00 Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 05-12-2012 at 08:07 AM..*

05-11-2012, 03:56 PM	#64
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Judging by the responses in this thread I would say yes, Americans are fed up with Israel. There is no other group of people as powerful as the Jewish people that cry as much about being persecuted. Less than 1% of Jewish people in the world and you have the heads of tons of companies as a Jewish person, a vast amount of the wealth in the world is in the hand of Jewish people. Add to that 25% of Nobel Prizes being won by Jews and something like 80% of actors being Jewish. By any statistic you guys are doing great - better than the rest of us. Can you stop it with the persecuted peoples bullshit?

05-11-2012, 04:35 PM	#70
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	And hey look at what Israel did when Palestine allowed 60,000 Jewish refugees. They kicked the Palestinians out and have been keeping them in apartheid conditions for over 60 years.

05-11-2012, 10:37 PM	#87
imabro Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 871	the south

05-12-2012, 08:23 AM	#97
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225

05-12-2012, 08:49 AM	#98
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	What he said.

05-12-2012, 09:33 AM	#100
oppoten NAME THE JEW Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,793	Jewish propoganda, as exemplified by the video above, is lying on an industrial scale. It's an affront to all peoples who seek truth and who value truth. The lack of respect they have for Gentiles is staggering.