Nazi legacy: The troubled descendants

[Paul Markham]

Nazi legacy: The troubled descendants

Any thoughts?

Mine are that it's not the child's crime, they can't be blamed for their parents or Grand Parents crimes.

Yet does it make people think about the repercussions of their actions on the children and Grand Children? I doubt it or if they do, we would never know about it.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I come from ousted royalty. Try that shit on for size.

[adulttraffic]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

I come from ousted royalty. Try that shit on for size.

Care to expand on your comment? I only ask as I'm a big history buff, I especially like to read about WWII.
Tkanks

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

[scubadiver626]

I think you'll find the BBC documentary "Hitlers children" interesting and also moving.

Some of the children mentioned are featured.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

interesting read

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

And then the 650,000 revised down to two people who sneezed.

I have been in the gas chambers, they are not fake, and millions were murdered

People who deny established historical facts are either mad or fascists.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

you're a fucking wackjob - it's obvious you've never met and talked to anybody with the concentration camp tattoos on their arm. I have, many of them. And those survivors will tell you of the parents, brothers and sisters they never saw again.

crackpot who seeks out 'proof' he wants to be true.

The Holocaust commemoration center, the Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem, comments:

There is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The figure commonly used is the six million established by the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1946 and repeated later by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official. Most research confirms that the number of victims was between five and six million. Early calculations range from 5.1 million (Professor Raul Hilberg) to 5.95 million (Jacob Leschinsky). More recent research, by Professor Yisrael Gutman and Dr. Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, estimates the Jewish losses at 5.59-5.86 million, and a study headed by Dr. Wolfgang Benz presents a range from 5.29-6.2 million. The main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar censuses with postwar censuses and population estimates. Nazi documentation containing partial data on various deportations and murders is also used. We estimate that Yad Vashem currently has somewhat more than four million names of victims that are accessible.
Raul Hilberg, in the third edition of his ground-breaking three-volume work, The Destruction of the European Jews, estimates that 5.1 million Jews died during the Holocaust. This figure includes "over 800,000" who died from "Ghettoization and general privation"; 1,400,000 who were killed in "Open-air shootings"; and "up to 2,900,000" who perished in camps. Hilberg estimates the death toll in Poland at "up to 3,000,000". Hilberg's numbers are generally considered to be a conservative estimate, as they typically include only those deaths for which some records are available, avoiding statistical adjustment. British historian Martin Gilbert used a similar approach in his "Atlas of the Holocaust", but arrived at a number of 5.75 million Jewish victims, since he estimated higher numbers of Jews killed in Russia and other locations.
Lucy S. Dawidowicz used pre-war census figures to estimate that 5.934 million Jews died (see her figures here).
One of the most authoritative German scholars of the Holocaust, Wolfgang Benz of the Technical University of Berlin, cites between 5.3 and 6.2 million Jews killed in Dimension des Völkermords (1991), while Yisrael Gutman and Robert Rozett estimate between 5.59 and 5.86 million Jewish victims in the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust (1990).
There were about 9.4 million Jews in the territories controlled directly or indirectly by the Nazis. (Some uncertainty arises from the lack of knowledge about how many Jews there were in the Soviet Union). The 6 million killed in the Holocaust thus represent about 64% of these Jews. Of Poland's 3.3 million Jews, over 90 percent were killed. The same proportion were killed in Latvia and Lithuania, but most of Estonia's Jews were evacuated in time. In Czechoslovakia, Greece, the Netherlands and Yugoslavia, over 70 percent were killed. More than 50 percent were killed in Belgium, Hungary and Romania. It is likely that a similar proportion were killed in Belarus and Ukraine, but these figures are less certain. Countries with notably lower proportions of deaths include Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Italy and Norway. Finally, of the 750,000 Jews in Germany and Austria in 1933, only about a quarter survived. Although many German Jews emigrated before 1939, the majority of these fled to Czechoslovakia, France or the Netherlands, from where they were later deported to their deaths.
The number of people killed at the major extermination camps is estimated as follows:
Auschwitz-Birkenau: 1.4 million; Belzec: 500,000; Chelmno: 152,000; Majdanek: 78,000; Maly Trostinets: 65,000; Sobibór: 250,000; and Treblinka: 870,000.
This gives a total of over 3.3 million; of these, 90% are estimated to have been Jews. These seven camps alone thus accounted for half the total number of Jews killed in the entire Nazi Holocaust. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Poland died in these camps.
In addition to those who died in the above extermination camps, at least half a million Jews died in other camps, including the major concentration camps in Germany. These were not extermination camps, but had large numbers of Jewish prisoners at various times, particularly in the last year of the war as the Nazis withdrew from Poland. About a million people died in these camps, and although the proportion of Jews is not known with certainty, it was estimated to be at least 50 percent. Another 800,000 to 1 million Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen in the occupied Soviet territories (an approximate figure, since the Einsatzgruppen killings were frequently undocumented). Many more died through execution or of disease and malnutrition in the ghettos of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Hungary before they could be deported.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_J...xzz1yY K01zsS

[theking]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

Pigshit;

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

because one book says so it's true? come on...

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

And then the 650,000 revised down to two people who sneezed.

I have been in the gas chambers, they are not fake, and millions were murdered

People who deny established historical facts are either mad or fascists.

are you an expert on Gas Chamber construction ?

[The Porn Nerd]

"So Hans, what did YOUR Daddy do during the War?"

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

You can debate the number of people that died at the hand of the Nazis, but you cannot deny there was gas chambers. Say what you want about the Nazis, but they were overly efficient and left a very long paper trail. There's no room for discussion about gas chambers.

Don't post up a link to anti Jewish website and claim it's a Jewish conspiracy, because this is much much bigger than what happened to the Jews. This was a world war and entire nations were raped. My grandmother's entire family was slaughtered wholesale and she was the only one left alive, and no one in my family is Jewish.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Nazi legacy: The troubled descendants

Any thoughts?

Mine are that it's not the child's crime, they can't be blamed for their parents or Grand Parents crimes.

Yet does it make people think about the repercussions of their actions on the children and Grand Children? I doubt it or if they do, we would never know about it.

Why don't they just change their name?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

...and another one who does not know how to read. THOSE GAS CHAMBERS WERE NOT THE REAL ONES AND BROUGHT IN AFTER THE WAR FOR SHOW....

Fuck you and your ignorance.

I have so many books about Nazis that I had to remove them all from our foyer to a closet because people were asking me if I was a Nazi fanatic. I just finished reading Albert Speer's book where he details how he designed the fucking gas chambers.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

I'm old enough and working in the dress trade in the 60s and 70s met enough people to know the truth. I've met people who lost families, were in concentration camps and on both sides.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

i just lost the last bis of respect i had for you

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

I love reading your posts, but lately you have gone off the deep end.

[Just Alex]

Millions of Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Gypsies dies in those camps, yet Jews are the only one remembered in every tale. Sad.

[johnnyloadproductions]

I won't voice some of my true feelings.

WWII was bad but some of the genocide that has taken place in Africa is just as awful if not worse.
There will be future wars and I've got a feeling there'll be a chance at mass extinction with the use of bio-weapons or some form of epidemic.

It's only a matter of time but somewhere down the road a terrorist will manage to sneak a A-bomb (they fit inside a slim suitcase) and take out a few city blocks.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Fuck you and your ignorance.

I have so many books about Nazis that I had to remove them all from our foyer to a closet because people were asking me if I was a Nazi fanatic. I just finished reading Albert Speer's book where he details how he designed the fucking gas chambers.

Huh?

Speer, like most everyone else in Germany, claimed to know nothing about the holocaust. He made these claims both at his trial in Nuremberg and in his subsequent books... including that one.

In truth he most probably did know, but nowhere have I read anything about him designing the gas chambers.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Fuck you. I lived on a kibbutz in Israel for over a year as ALL of them were Holocaust survivors. So learn to read what I wrote.

Pigshit...it is not logical that "all of them" were Holocuast survivors...so I think you are not only a nutcase but also a lying nutcase.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

...and another one who does not know how to read. THOSE GAS CHAMBERS WERE NOT THE REAL ONES AND BROUGHT IN AFTER THE WAR FOR SHOW....

That's because the SS blew the real ones up before the Russians liberated the camp.

The ones there now are replicas constructed by the Polish government after the war and based on the original blueprints.

Auschwitz was indeed a death camp by design.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by GregE

Huh?

Speer, like most everyone else in Germany, claimed to know nothing about the holocaust. He made these claims both at his trial in Nuremberg and in his subsequent books... including that one.

In truth he most probably did know, but nowhere have I read anything about him designing the gas chambers.

In May 1943 Speer expanded Auschwitz, making it a death camp. Speer made notes in his handwriting on the sides and in the margin; He knew exactly what they were building there. In his book he claims he had no idea what they were for, yet he signed off on all of the designs. He knew exactly what was going on.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

WWII was bad but some of the genocide that has taken place in Africa is just as awful if not worse.

History will look back at this period and we'll all be ashamed we didn't do something in Africa to prevent this. Millions are dieing - aids, starvation, war, murder - and we don't even notice. It's sad.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

Man you are so wrong, sorry to say

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

History will look back at this period and we'll all be ashamed we didn't do something in Africa to prevent this. Millions are dieing - aids, starvation, war, murder - and we don't even notice. It's sad.

There has been multiple "holocausts" since the Second World War...even on a much larger scale...and the world stood by and I suspect there will be more in the future.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

There has been multiple "holocausts" since the Second World War...even on a much larger scale...and the world stood by and I suspect there will be more in the future.

Your right - Five million in the Congo alone.

But look at the countries involved... Armenia, Rwanda, the Congo, Cambodia, Sudan... No one cares about these countries. But when you do it in the middle of Europe AND combine it with a world war that involved nearly all countries it's a completely different story. You ask the average American where Rwanda is on a map and they'll look at you stupid, but everyone has studied WWII.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

As long as jokers like you believe this shit the world remians a very scary place.

The problem is we are three quarters of the way to where the economic conditions drive normal people into poor political decisions.

Democracy is not designed for tough times, nor is it designed for bigots and idiots.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your right - Five million in the Congo alone.

But look at the countries involved... Armenia, Rwanda, the Congo, Cambodia, Sudan... No one cares about these countries. But when you do it in the middle of Europe AND combine it with a world war that involved nearly all countries it's a completely different story. You ask the average American where Rwanda is on a map and they'll look at you stupid, but everyone has studied WWII.

It is said that up to 30 million (depending upon whose figures one chooses to belive) died as a result of China's cultural revolution (days of the Red Guard) from '66 to '76.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by Rochard

History will look back at this period and we'll all be ashamed we didn't do something in Africa to prevent this. Millions are dieing - aids, starvation, war, murder - and we don't even notice. It's sad.

Maybe... I watched a pastor give a speech on Madagascar and how they had 100k people who were starving and dying from disease. He went into how they bring over missionaries, food, and medicine... so what happens after several decades? You now have 1 million people who are hungry and dying from disease.
It's crude but places need to learn to work something out for themselves.

[CaptainHowdy]

I ain't surprised that Jesus H. Christ has it in for the jews ...

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

It is said that up to 30 million (depending upon whose figures one chooses to belive) died as a result of China's cultural revolution (days of the Red Guard) from '66 to '76.

But no one gives a shit about what happened in China thirty years ago.

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

Maybe... I watched a pastor give a speech on Madagascar and how they had 100k people who were starving and dying from disease. He went into how they bring over missionaries, food, and medicine... so what happens after several decades? You now have 1 million people who are hungry and dying from disease.
It's crude but places need to learn to work something out for themselves.

And again, if you ask the average American to point to Madagascar on a map, I'm guessing more than half wouldn't be able to guess considering how obvious it is.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

In short, the Germans did kill a lot of Jews, but the real mass murderers of that time were the Jews, but this will never be truly mentioned, will it?

Clearly I was wrong. The Jews are at fault. Clearly they killed millions of Germans. And Russians.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

The Jews aren't innocent victims Rochard, unglue yourself from their televised programming.

[_Richard_]

i hear the pictures out of japan, what's left of em anyway, isn't all sunshine and lollipops

[adulttraffic]

Yes the jews were murdered in the death camps. As well as millions of others. What surprises me is why no one remembers the 20 million Russians who were killed during the war. If I remember correctly the Russians accounted for almost 45% total killed during the war.

[Angus McBagpipe]

Soooo, uhmmm, why hasn't the ban hammer been dropped yet? This isn't a discussion anymore, just blind racism. Seriously, this is sad if GFY doesn't BH these douchebag, non contributing, irrelevant nobodies.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Angus McBagpipe

Soooo, uhmmm, why hasn't the ban hammer been dropped yet? This isn't a discussion anymore, just blind racism. Seriously, this is sad if GFY doesn't BH these douchebag, non contributing, irrelevant nobodies.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

The Jews aren't innocent victims Rochard, unglue yourself from their televised programming.

I was going to reply.....but I really dont know where to start.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by adulttraffic

Yes the jews were murdered in the death camps. As well as millions of others. What surprises me is why no one remembers the 20 million Russians who were killed during the war. If I remember correctly the Russians accounted for almost 45% total killed during the war.

Jews and blacks are smart. They've set up constant reminders that sometime, somewhere some fucking 300-200-100 hundred years ago someone was not nice to them. You read the history of it, and its nothing but crying tales.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

The Jews aren't innocent victims Rochard, unglue yourself from their televised programming.

Yes, they are a horrible race and clearly they had killed millions and thus they deserved what they got by the hand of the Nazis.

Don't you get it? It's not about the Jews for me. My entire family was slaughtered by the Nazis. I don't care about what happened to to jews; I care about what happened to my family and my grandparent's country.

[Cherry7]

[QUOTE=Jesus H Christ;19019735]amazing how butt-hurt you clowns get when challenged on your manufactured tooled beliefs. So let's stick to the facts:

1. The current gas chambers at Auschwitz are NOT the originals. They were brought in by the Poles after the war, but the public did not know about this until 1989, 45 years after the Holocaust. The original gas chambers have never been found.

2. Cyclone B original purpose was to delouse clothes as the orders for other concentration camps, proven NOT to have a gas chambers, used the same amount as the ones claimed to have gas the Jews.

3. In 1989 4.1 million Jews who'd supposedly died in Auschwitz were reduced to 650k. The camp actually changed the stone tablets in the entry. Meaning the total death numbers were off by 90%. The war reparations paid to Israel by Germany were based off the 4.1 million figure.

4. Now if I stood on a street corner in these countries and simply repeated the truth (above) I could be incarcerated up to 5 years.

QUOTE]

Some of the original gas chambers were blown up and they are concrete stuctures still there. I HAVE SEEN THEM. I HAVE STOOD ON THEM. Other are still intact and I have been in the them. Also there is still the blocks and the places of execution and torture.

Cyclone B was used to kill millions. If you don't believe it I suggest you carry out this simple experiment. Seal all the doors and windows, tip out Cyclone B all over the floor, Wait one hour. Please let us know how you get on.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yes, they are a horrible race and clearly they had killed millions and thus they deserved what they got by the hand of the Nazis.

Don't you get it? It's not about the Jews for me. My entire family was slaughtered by the Nazis. I don't care about what happened to to jews; I care about what happened to my family and my grandparent's country.

So the question is how many times did you vote for the descendants of the financiers of the war you speak of? Lots?

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It kind of lost it's importance after reading "the gas chambers" in Auschwitz. Why? Because the gas chambers were proven to be fake, just like the number of Jews who died there. The number was revised in 1989 from 4 million Jews to 1 million, then revised down to 650, 000 as most of these died of typhus.

Most of what you've heard about the Holocaust is well, bullshit. Still incredibly tragic nonetheless, but most, bullshit.

You're really out there, aren't you?