Wtf

[Sunny Day]

I ordered some wings from Pizza Hut tonight. There's a $2+ charge for delivery. The drivers get none of that. They get 32 cents per mile. Less than $4 per hour driving and less in the store. Supposedly they get tips. And this is supposedly a livable wage to support a family & buy a home, put away money for retirement and send your kids to college? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

[CDSmith]

I have two schools of thoughts on this. ONE, nobody's holding a gun to their head to take that shitty job. Take a different job. Can't find a different job? Then do something with your life to better your prospects.

TWO; Delivery joint owners will pay their people more if they continually find their employees are quitting for better paying work. Bottom line is you want quality, then pay for it. Makes me wonder, are they this chintzy with their food as well?

Anyway I tip the driver a little extra no matter if there's a delivery charge or not. Do that enough and they tend to get your food to your door hot and on time every time.

[Helix]

Nothing is wrong with that picture. This isn't a gift economy.

[deef-thp]

Quick! OCCUPY PIZZA HUT!

Or, educate yourself and get a better job. Nah, fuck that. Education takes self-discipline and perseverance. OCCUPY PIZZA HUT!

[Spunky]

I always flip em five bucks anyways

[Colmike9]

Hm.. I work for delivery once a week for extra spending cash and even do work with my laptop when I'm not doing anything since they pay pretty well and I live just down the street.

The drivers there make the most of any big chain at $7.40/hr and $1.25 per delivery and multiples on one trip stack, averaging me about $25/hr in a small upscale(for Ohio.. ) area. Not too bad for driving around stoned listening to music all day.

[Dood]

I delivered pizzas when I was 18 and 19, about 16 to 17 years ago. They paid me $8.75 per hour, tips added another $15 per hour or so and I got to deduct somewhere around 40 cents per mile from my taxes, so I got thousands back each year. That was really good money for me at the time.

[ErectMedia]

Pick a good neighborhood and you can make some coin. Years ago I worked part time at Pizza Hut and at a classier Italian restaurant while holding a full time job as well. Less tips at Pizza Hut but only 2 drivers so non stop action. Classier Italian joint better tips but more drivers so less deliveries. At either place part time on a friday/saturday night could make $80-$150 cash and of course I reported it all

Today I stay in hotels anywhere from 2-8 times a month and if I order food even if the bill says $4-$5+ delivery fee I still tip $5-$7 bucks as I remember the days of doing it myself.

Best one I remember I brought 10 pizzas to a sports bar and they had a party room downstairs rented. Walk in and 2 strippers oiled up going to town. Dude spots me and says sorry didn't notice ya and I said no hurry enjoying the show, threw me $50.

Remember another one where a chick asked me if it was hot. She smiled like the little 18-21 year old whore she was opened the box stuck her finger in and said you only get a tip if it's hot. I said oh it's always hot. Was cautious as didn't wanna get in trouble but now that i look back considering was just a part time gig should have gave her the pole.

Delivered to a fuck motel. 300+ guy answers the door naked. I'm like oh hell no, starts laughing says she dared me to do it. Look over to the bed and smokin hottie butt naked assuming an escort. He tips me and I go gonna need more for therapy.

[Zeiss]

Sounds like a job for some kid that has nothing better to do, man. There is nothing wrong with THAT picture.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

They get 32 cents per mile.

I live in a costal beach town where all deliveries would be less then two miles from the shop?

[kane]

It is a stepping stone job that is not meant for someone who is trying to raise a family. It is meant for kids who are in school or just out of school or people who are looking for a part time second job or a job for extra income.

Sadly, the economy right now is not doing great and jobs like this are what is being created so you are seeing more and more people taking these jobs who have families because they have no other options.

Either way, this is a high turnover kind of job. It is just like any fast food job or boxers/baggers at grocery stores. The people stay there for a short time, but eventually they get out of school or just move up the job ladder and get a better job.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

I ordered some wings from Pizza Hut tonight. There's a $2+ charge for delivery. The drivers get none of that. They get 32 cents per mile. Less than $4 per hour driving and less in the store. Supposedly they get tips. And this is supposedly a livable wage to support a family & buy a home, put away money for retirement and send your kids to college? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Perhaps they should have made different life choices.

Life ain't fair. It doesn't owe you.

There's an old saying - "If you make your bed bad...you get wrinkled."

[BFT3K]

I don't think people choose "pizza delivery person" as a career - it's more of a part time high school or college kid job.

I delivered pizzas briefly when I was a kid, for two different pizzerias. One was located in an upper class neighborhood, and one catered to a lower middle class neighborhood.

The richer the customer the less tip they gave, with almost no exceptions.

If you ever find yourself needing to work at a job that requires tips, stick with working class neighborhoods. They get it.

[Yngwie]

a person with kids, a house etc.. is not looking to work as a delivery driver in the 1st place so what you said is not really relevant in this case.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

I ordered some wings from Pizza Hut tonight. There's a $2+ charge for delivery. The drivers get none of that. They get 32 cents per mile. Less than $4 per hour driving and less in the store. Supposedly they get tips. And this is supposedly a livable wage to support a family & buy a home, put away money for retirement and send your kids to college? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Who said that delivering pizza is supposed to be a livable wage to buy a home, support a family, send your kids to college and retire with?

[Sunny Day]

The delivery guy was way over 40. Jobs around here are scarce as shit. There are great paying jobs, but you have to be damn lucky to get one.

As for people leaving and employers paying more , I once did a contract account gig for a company where I was the only person over 30. My supervisor said it's because we pay crap. There all waiting for BIG FUCKING TELEPHONE COMPANY to hire them.
I was asked back a couple of months later and was offered a permanent job at a lot less than the contract agency was paying me. I started laughing. The HR person looked at me and I said, "look out the window. McDonald's pays more to cook burgers." She said the interview was over. I replied it was over when you said $8.75 an hour. They didn't care, as there was always another crop of just out of college kids.

[AllAboutCams]

I used to tip when they were nice but i don't tip the indians that took over

[kane]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

The delivery guy was way over 40. Jobs around here are scarce as shit. There are great paying jobs, but you have to be damn lucky to get one.

As for people leaving and employers paying more , I once did a contract account gig for a company where I was the only person over 30. My supervisor said it's because we pay crap. There all waiting for BIG FUCKING TELEPHONE COMPANY to hire them.
I was asked back a couple of months later and was offered a permanent job at a lot less than the contract agency was paying me. I started laughing. The HR person looked at me and I said, "look out the window. McDonald's pays more to cook burgers." She said the interview was over. I replied it was over when you said $8.75 an hour. They didn't care, as there was always another crop of just out of college kids.

Many years ago I worked for an electronic manufacturing company. One of the jobs in the plant was called "touch up." These people looked at the circuit boards and if they found any soldering flaws they fixed them. They also sometimes attacked awkward parts that the machines couldn't. It was a tedious job and they had huge turnover. The reason was they paid $5.25 per hour (at that time this was about 25 cents over minimum wage). The manager of the area complained that quality would never go up if they were constantly having to train people, but the owners didn't care. So people came in, took the job then 3-6 months later when they had experience they went to another company that would pay them $8 per hour to start.

The funny thing was there was so much turnover that they hired a person who just trained new people and paid her $50K per year. If they had just paid the other people more money they wouldn't have had the turnover and wouldn't have needed to hire her so they were likely spending more than if they paid the other workers more.

[Sunny Day]

I was talking to a guy from a small town in the country. All the jobs there were minimum wage. A company wanted to build a factory just outside the city limits and would be paying about double the minimum wage. All the business owners made sure the zoning approval was denied since they were afraid they'd lose their wage slaves.

[AdultPayout]

it's a normal price for delivery

[candyflip]

If you want to make money slinging pizza, get a $5000 loan and open up your own place.

There are 17 pizza places within 3 miles of my house, and they all do plenty of business.

[BlackCrayon]

yep, if you can't find a good job, make your own or move.

[u-Bob]

No one forced them to get that job and no one is forcing them to keep working there for the rest of their lives.

[Zeiss]

Lack of cash can force you to do lots of things...

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I don't think people choose "pizza delivery person" as a career - it's more of a part time high school or college kid job.

I delivered pizzas briefly when I was a kid, for two different pizzerias. One was located in an upper class neighborhood, and one catered to a lower middle class neighborhood.

The richer the customer the less tip they gave, with almost no exceptions.

If you ever find yourself needing to work at a job that requires tips, stick with working class neighborhoods. They get it.

Is this where your hatred of capitalism and successful people began? Socialism can be discouraged by generously tipping the pizza boy!

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by sexvideosex

Lack of cash can force you to do lots of things...

including sucking cocks

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by nikki99

sucking cocks

I thought people do that for the fun of it.

[geekyfox]

Originally Posted by deef-thp

Quick! OCCUPY PIZZA HUT!

Or, educate yourself and get a better job. Nah, fuck that. Education takes self-discipline and perseverance. OCCUPY PIZZA HUT!

Awesome;-)!!!

[Sunny Day]

Originally Posted by geekyfox

Awesome;-)!!!

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/15/152751...on-food-stamps

In 2010, the report says, 360,000 of the 22 million Americans with graduate degrees received some kind of public assistance.

If there are no jobs, there are no jobs.

In 2 years of being unemployed, I got 2 job interviews. One wouldn't hire me because I was unemployed. Don't give me crap about taking any job, as I have disabilities and a good portion of jobs offered, I couldn't physically do. Other reason, I'm 60. Most companies now days won't hire anyone over about 30, to keep insurance and benefits costs down.

There are homeless people begging for jobs, but employers won't hire as they have no permanent address.

You're so fucking rich, offer me a job I can perform. Prove you're "A Job Creator."

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

And this is supposedly a livable wage to support a family & buy a home, put away money for retirement and send your kids to college? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

are you stoned? A 18 year old thinking about his retirement and putting away money for that???

[garce]

Ordering wings from Pizza Hut is like buying a dog in China. You never know what is going to show up on the plate.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

I ordered some wings from Pizza Hut tonight. There's a $2+ charge for delivery. The drivers get none of that. They get 32 cents per mile. Less than $4 per hour driving and less in the store. Supposedly they get tips. And this is supposedly a livable wage to support a family & buy a home, put away money for retirement and send your kids to college? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Are you going to eat your pizza or cry about the driver's shitty life?

Also, why are buying your pizza at that place?

[2MuchMark]

Last weekend I was at HeavyMTL. While taking a break from the shows I was watching these guys delivery glasses of beer into the crowd. Get this:

Each delivery guy holds 32 cups of beer on his head in a rack. Each beer was selling for $8.00 each. The average tip was $1 to $2.00 per beer (going by my own tips). It took about 15 minutes for each guy to sell all 32 beers he took into the crowd.

That means he was making between $32 and $64 every 15 minutes, or $128 to $256 per hour. Pretty good!

Of course the beer stands were the ones making a real killing at $1024 Per Hour Per Beer Seller (there were about 20 of them), or $20,480 per hour. This does not include all the people actually buying beer at the stands of course. While I watched one stand sell about 50 beers in 1 minute (2 cashiers servering 2 lines) x 2 divisions in a stand), or 3000 beers per hour, or $24,000 per hour. PER stand (there were about 7 I think).

Of course the only beer sold there was Budweiser.

Smart, smart Budweiser.

[2MuchMark]

Oh right and don't buy anything from Pizza hut. It's completely gross shit. Not as bad as Papa Johns but still really gross. The best pizza is any REAL local pizza parlour, especially if they have brick ovens.

[John-ACWM]

Simply not a good job, the boss wants to make more money, not make the worker happy.

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I have two schools of thoughts on this. ONE, nobody's holding a gun to their head to take that shitty job. Take a different job. Can't find a different job? Then do something with your life to better your prospects.

TWO; Delivery joint owners will pay their people more if they continually find their employees are quitting for better paying work. Bottom line is you want quality, then pay for it. Makes me wonder, are they this chintzy with their food as well?

Anyway I tip the driver a little extra no matter if there's a delivery charge or not. Do that enough and they tend to get your food to your door hot and on time every time.

If there is a delivery charge I tip minimum to the nearest dollar assuming that the person delivering is getting the surcharge.
Same as in Bangkok if they charge ++ (vat 7% and 20% service charge) I do not tip assuming that the service charge goes to the service.

I am sorry but advertising one price and then getting hit with more than 25% in extras then if I tip another 20% we are close paying 150% of the advertised price its BS.
Tipping should be 5-10% if you get really good service and leaving no tip should not be a crime. If you depend on tips to make a living you should blame your government not your customers.

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by Michael O

If there is a delivery charge I tip minimum to the nearest dollar assuming that the person delivering is getting the surcharge.
Same as in Bangkok if they charge ++ (vat 7% and 20% service charge) I do not tip assuming that the service charge goes to the service.

I am sorry but advertising one price and then getting hit with more than 25% in extras then if I tip another 20% we are close paying 150% of the advertised price its BS.
Tipping should be 5-10% if you get really good service and leaving no tip should not be a crime. If you depend on tips to make a living you should blame your government not your customers.

With that said I am still a sucker most of the time, at TPF I tipped the pizza guy around $3-4
In Bangkok I still only tip less than $1 and most of the time its with or without the ++ since someone making $10 a day and I should not tip half that on top.

[bloggingpro]

I had a few friends do this kind of work when we were in high school and shortly thereafter. It's the type of work that is perfect for a kid that age... but in no way could you even begin to feed a family on that kind of money.

I guess if you owned your car and loved to party you could probably get by on it.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Michael O

If there is a delivery charge I tip minimum to the nearest dollar assuming that the person delivering is getting the surcharge.
Same as in Bangkok if they charge ++ (vat 7% and 20% service charge) I do not tip assuming that the service charge goes to the service.

I am sorry but advertising one price and then getting hit with more than 25% in extras then if I tip another 20% we are close paying 150% of the advertised price its BS.
Tipping should be 5-10% if you get really good service and leaving no tip should not be a crime. If you depend on tips to make a living you should blame your government not your customers.

I'm not overtipping. I always ask the drivers if they recieve any of the delivery charge. Most say they get half and the company takes the other half. Some say they get less than half, very few if any have said they get all of it. And even then, on say a $30 order (pretty standard for a large pizza, maybe a salad or wings and a 2 Ltr pop) the delivery charge is $2.50 to $3. If I toss the delivery guy an extra $2 and change beyond that then his total tip is somewhere around the $4 mark.

That's only about 12% of the bill, and for what? For driving my food to my door and ensuring that it's hot and the cheese isn't stuck on the roof of the box etc. That takes a bit more effort than your standard waiter/waitress who walks your food 25 feet from the kitchen to your table, and we all tend to tip those people more.

I'm not Charlie Sheen, I'm not laying down fifty's on these delivery people, but nothing at all wrong with slipping them at least a few bucks extra, if it keeps the food coming to your door quick and intact.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Michael O

If there is a delivery charge I tip minimum to the nearest dollar assuming that the person delivering is getting the surcharge.
Same as in Bangkok if they charge ++ (vat 7% and 20% service charge) I do not tip assuming that the service charge goes to the service.

I am sorry but advertising one price and then getting hit with more than 25% in extras then if I tip another 20% we are close paying 150% of the advertised price its BS.
Tipping should be 5-10% if you get really good service and leaving no tip should not be a crime. If you depend on tips to make a living you should blame your government not your customers.

I tip 20 baht for Thai pizza delivery boys. Don't care if they drive in the sunshine or the pouring rain. Thais will tip them that much, so that is what I tip.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by bloggingpro

I had a few friends do this kind of work when we were in high school and shortly thereafter. It's the type of work that is perfect for a kid that age... but in no way could you even begin to feed a family on that kind of money.

I guess if you owned your car and loved to party you could probably get by on it.

right on the money