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brassmonkey · 08-24-2012, 06:20 PM

Illegal immigration: agents sue to block Obama's 'DREAM Act'

Ten federal immigration officials filed suit on Thursday asking a US district judge in Dallas to block the Homeland Security Department from implementing President Obama?s decision to give special immigration status to some 1.7 million children of illegal immigrants.

The suit charges that Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and a key immigration official are engaging in an illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of government power by implementing an administrative version of the DREAM Act without congressional authorization.

It says the agency action is forcing immigration agents in the field to either enforce federal law as passed by Congress or abide by the administration?s new immigration policies and priorities.

Could you pass a US citizenship test?

?We are federal law enforcement officers who are being ordered to break the law,? said one of the plaintiffs, Chris Crane, a deportation officer in Utah, and president of the immigration agents? union.

Ms. Napolitano issued an agency directive on June 15 instructing immigration officials to use their ?prosecutorial discretion? to confer special immigration status to the children of illegal immigrants. The program took full effect on August 15 and drew thousands of initial applicants.

The DREAM Act is a legislative proposal designed to lift the cloud of deportation over children who were brought to the US before they were 16, have been in the country for five years, and have no criminal record. The DREAM Act has been debated 24 times since 2001 but has never passed Congress.

Earlier this year, Mr. Obama declared that his administration would take action on its own to implement the goals of the DREAM Act without relying on legislation from Congress.

Critics denounced the move as an unconstitutional power grab designed to appeal to potential Latino voters in a critical presidential election year.

Supporters said the executive branch of government has ample discretionary authority to implement DREAM Act goals. The effort is consistent with the administration?s policy of focusing enforcement and deportations on illegal immigrants who commit serious crime, officials say.

Thursday?s lawsuit essentially asks a federal judge to resolve the debate.

?This is an absolutely breathtaking assertion of authority,? said lawyer Kris Kobach, who is representing the 10 immigration officers.

?The administration can?t do this by fiat,? he said.

Mr. Kobach is secretary of state in Kansas and is an informal adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate. He was a delegate to the Republican Party?s platform committee in advance of the GOP?s national convention in Tampa, Fla., next week.

Kobach is the same lawyer who helped Arizona officials draft their tough and controversial immigration enforcement law, Senate Bill 1070. In June, the US Supreme Court struck down three provisions of that law, but upheld the measure?s centerpiece, requiring state and local law-enforcement officials to check the immigration status of anyone detained during a lawful stop who they had reason to suspect was in the US illegally.

The lawsuit against Napolitano asks a federal judge to examine whether the agency?s actions violate federal law by directing agents to ignore the command in immigration statutes that agents ?shall? place illegal immigrants into removal proceedings.

A memorandum by John Morton, director ofImmigration and Customs Enforcement, asserts that under ?prosecutorial discretion? agents no longer are required to follow the procedures in the immigration statute. The lawsuit says there is nothing under federal law authorizing an agency to ignore or rewrite the statute?s requirements.

The suit also charges that there is nothing in federal immigration law that permits an executive branch official to use regulatory discretion to grant a benefit to 1.7 million individuals.

The Homeland Security Department also lacks the unilateral authority to grant 1.7 million undocumented individuals authorization to work in the US, the suit says.

Finally, the suit charges that conferring legal rights and privileges to a large group is a legislative act assigned to Congress under the Constitution. The suit says the administration?s actions violate the constitutional command that the executive branch of government ?shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.?

Mr. Crane of Utah said the administration?s new policy toward the children of illegal immigrants is causing problems for enforcement agents.

He cited the case of an agent in Delaware who apprehended an illegal immigrant who had 10 traffic violations including driving without a license. Such an individual would routinely be placed in removal proceedings, Crane said.

But after the directives from Washington, he said, management-level officials are enforcing a broad reading of the agency?s ?prosecutorial discretion.?

When the arresting agent insisted on processing the individual, he was threatened with a three-day suspension, Crane said. Now any subsequent action by the same agent might result in his being fired, he said.

Crane cited a similar incident in El Paso, Texas, where enforcement agents were ordered to release an illegal immigrant who has allegedly attempted to escape and allegedly assaulted one of the officers.

Rather than investigate the agents? accusations, immigration managers ordered the man released because they said he fit the profile of an individual qualified for special status under the new program.

?We are not enforcing law anymore and we aren?t even enforcing the policy,? Crane said.

?When we come in contact with someone who claims to be a ?DREAMer,? we have to accept that claim and the alien has no burden of proof to substantiate that claim,? he said.

Of the 10 agents who filed the lawsuit, seven are posted in Texas, one is in California, one in Delaware, and one in Utah. Two of the immigration agents are deportation officers and eight are enforcement officers.

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garce · 08-24-2012, 06:25 PM

Nice editorial. An editorial that you did not write, and I did not read.

brassmonkey · 08-24-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by garce

Nice editorial. An editorial that you did not write, and I did not read.

oh man when did i say i wrote it? scroll down to find the link to the full article.

Rochard · 08-24-2012, 06:44 PM

I don't understand this at all. If you are here illegally, your in violation of the law - period, no exceptions. I fail to understand how this is even open to discussion. If you violate our border and enter our country illegally, you are nothing more than a criminal.

And maybe this is what we need to do - treat them as criminals. Violate our borders, and you go to prison for two years. If we are unable to figure out who you are or what country your from, you stay in prison until we can - until you die if so be it.

What a fucked up country - throw pot smokers into prison but let illegal immigrants get a driver's license?

brassmonkey · 08-24-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this at all. If you are here illegally, your in violation of the law - period, no exceptions. I fail to understand how this is even open to discussion. If you violate our border and enter our country illegally, you are nothing more than a criminal.

And maybe this is what we need to do - treat them as criminals. Violate our borders, and you go to prison for two years. If we are unable to figure out who you are or what country your from, you stay in prison until we can - until you die if so be it.

What a fucked up country - throw pot smokers into prison but let illegal immigrants get a driver's license?

its even worse

just think of the people that do not live here sneak in and claim the dream act.

obama just opened the back door

L-Pink · 08-24-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this at all. If you are here illegally, your in violation of the law - period, no exceptions. I fail to understand how this is even open to discussion. If you violate our border and enter our country illegally, you are nothing more than a criminal.

And maybe this is what we need to do - treat them as criminals. Violate our borders, and you go to prison for two years. If we are unable to figure out who you are or what country your from, you stay in prison until we can - until you die if so be it.

What a fucked up country - throw pot smokers into prison but let illegal immigrants get a driver's license?

Baffles me too.

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Rochard · 08-24-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its even worse

just think of the people that do not live here sneak in and claim the dream act.

obama just opened the back door

That's a huge part of what I"m saying... Exactly who did we just let in?

brassmonkey · 08-24-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

That's a huge part of what I"m saying... Exactly who did we just let in?

everyone who can sneak in.

get in line and get a free pass

DWB · 08-25-2012, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this at all. If you are here illegally, your in violation of the law - period, no exceptions. I fail to understand how this is even open to discussion. If you violate our border and enter our country illegally, you are nothing more than a criminal.

And maybe this is what we need to do - treat them as criminals. Violate our borders, and you go to prison for two years. If we are unable to figure out who you are or what country your from, you stay in prison until we can - until you die if so be it.

What a fucked up country - throw pot smokers into prison but let illegal immigrants get a driver's license?

Our views differ on a lot of subjects, but you are 100% spot on with this one.

If I sneak into another country and get caught, it's my ass. Jails are FULL around the world of people who violated their visa laws or entered the country illegally. You simply can't do it without risk of being jailed or deported.

There are three solutions. 1) Throw them all in jail. 2) Round them up and deport them ALL, children too. 3) Go back to the way it used to be and let everyone who wants to come, come. If you can make it, you are welcome. Get in where you fit in.

I'm for #2 and #3. Either send them all home or open the borders for everyone.

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this at all. If you are here illegally, your in violation of the law - period, no exceptions. I fail to understand how this is even open to discussion. If you violate our border and enter our country illegally, you are nothing more than a criminal.

And maybe this is what we need to do - treat them as criminals. Violate our borders, and you go to prison for two years. If we are unable to figure out who you are or what country your from, you stay in prison until we can - until you die if so be it.

What a fucked up country - throw pot smokers into prison but let illegal immigrants get a driver's license?

Man, we're talking about kids here. Kids are not not guilty of parent actions. These kids were brought here by their parents. What's their fault?

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Baffles me too.

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You seemed a really nice, down to earth person to me and lots of people in this forum.

It baffles me that you think you can deny the right to study and have a decent life to KIDS who had no choice when they were brought here by their parents.

What's their responsability on that?

They were brought here as kids, they went to elementary, middle and high school here. They speak english, they learned american story. They don't know shit about the country where they were born. You like it or not, they were raised and educated as americans.

They are just kids who had no say when they were brought here illegaly as babies or little children.

You don't seem a nice person to me anymore. They are just kids.

DWB · 08-25-2012, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Man, we're talking about kids here. Kids are not not guilty of parent actions. These kids were brought here by their parents. What's their fault?

That is how it works in the rest of the world. If I had a kid in Thailand (or just about any other country) with my American wife, that kid does not automatically get Thai citizenship. Why would he? Then if we are found to be there illegally and we're deported, the kid doesn't get to stay nor is he granted citizenship because he's just a poor kid who has no say in the matter.

Life isn't fair. But this is how it works around the majority of the world.

Personally, I think borders, citizenship, and passports suck and should be done away with. But we don't live in my world, we live in the real one, so we have to play by those rules. Kids do too.

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

That is how it works in the rest of the world. If I had a kid in Thailand (or just about any other country) with my American wife, that kid does not automatically get Thai citizenship. Why would he? Then if we are found to be there illegally and we're deported, the kid doesn't get to stay nor is he granted citizenship because he's just a poor kid who has no say in the matter.

Life isn't fair. But this is how it works around the majority of the world.

Personally, I think borders, citizenship, and passports suck and should be done away with. But we don't live in my world, we live in the real one, so we have to play by those rules. Kids do too.

DWB, not you, nor Rochard, L-Pink, or anyone has the right to go against kids. It's not their fault.

Go against the parents, say anything you want against their parents, who willfully came to this country illegay.

Dream act is about the kids.

NOT THE KIDS, NOT THE CHILDREN. It's not their fault.

DWB · 08-25-2012, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

DWB, not you, nor Rochard, L-Pink, or anyone has the right to go against kids. It's not their fault.

Go against the parents, say anythingbyou want against their parent, who willfully came to this country illegay.

Drwam act is about the kids.

NOT THE KIDS, NOT THE CHILDREN. It's not their fault.

In fantasy land, I agree with you. But in the real world, it just doesn't work that way.

What you currently have are parents from all over the world who PLAN on visiting the USA during the time the woman will give birth, so their child can become a US citizen. A child born on US soil is granted citizenship. I'm all for this if the rest of the world does it in return. But if Americans are forced to live by the rules that the rest of the world dictates, then I don't have much sympathy for those who break the rules in the USA, even if they are kids. It is unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

And as Rochard pointed out, Americans get jailed for doing the dumbest things, but illegal immigrants get a pass and get drivers license. That is just not right.

I helped a girl from Venezuela come to the USA years back. She came legally but overstayed her visa and lived with me. She signed up for English classes and within six months was able to obtain a drivers license, social security card, and several credit cards. She then married an American and had two children. She is illegal as the day is long. I told her in advance, per the advice of my friend who is an immigration lawyer, if she gets caught, she and her children will be deported and that was a risk she was willing to take.

Children are always at the mercy of their parents. If they are fed bad food, they will be fat. Maybe they will have lung problems due to parents who smoke. Maybe they will get a horrible education. It's not the child's fault but that is life. Same with immigration.

That said, I can see certain circumstances where older children would be permitted to stay. To start, they need to be FLUENT in English, be good students, pass a drug test, and have no juvenile criminal history. No losers allowed. The USA has enough of those types already. At a certain age, if they meet all the criteria, and can pass an exam, give them a chance to stay. If they are under a certain age or do not pass the criteria, whatever that criteria may be, adios amigo.

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

In fantasy land, I agree with you. But in the real world, it just doesn't work that way.

What you currently have are parents from all over the world who PLAN on visiting the USA during the time the woman will give birth, so their child can become a US citizen. A child born on US soil is granted citizenship. I'm all for this if the rest of the world does it in return. But if Americans are forced to live by the rules that the rest of the world dictates, then I don't have much sympathy for those who break the rules in the USA, even if they are kids. It is unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

And as Rochard pointed out, Americans get jailed for doing the dumbest things, but illegal immigrants get a pass and get drivers license. That is just not right.

I helped a girl from Venezuela come to the USA years back. She came legally but overstayed her visa and lived with me. She signed up for English classes and within six months was able to obtain a drivers license, social security card, and several credit cards. She then married an American and had two children. She is illegal as the day is long. I told her in advance, per the advice of my friend who is an immigration lawyer, if she gets caught, she and her children will be deported and that was a risk she was willing to take.

Children are always at the mercy of their parents. If they are fed bad food, they will be fat. Maybe they will have lung problems due to parents who smoke. Maybe they will get a horrible education. It's not the child's fault but that is life. Same with immigration.

That said, I can see certain circumstances where older children would be permitted to stay. To start, they need to be FLUENT in English, be good students, pass a drug test, and have no juvenile criminal history. No losers allowed. The USA has enough of those types already. At a certain age, if they meet all the criteria, and can pass an exam, give them a chance to stay. If they are under a certain age or do not pass the criteria, whatever that criteria may be, adios amigo.

It's not fantasy land. It's the real world. And in the real world, kids MUST BE PROTECTED AND GRANTED A DECENT LIFE despite where in the world they live or what adults do or did to them.

Talking about life of innocent kids( yes, they are innocent of any guilt or charge even if they are illegaly living in the united states because they disn't choose to), and mentioning FANTASY LAND makes me wonder about you...

They are just kids man. Kids must be protected of adults, much more than the adult industry must be protected agains filelockers you fight against or content thieves L-Pink keeps stalking in this forum whenever he gets a chance.

If you and the other guys think any action can be taken agains kids because of laws made by stupid adults or the actions of their parents, well, you guys are really fucked up.... badly....

DWB · 08-25-2012, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

It's not fantasy land. It's the real world. And in the real world, kids MUST BE PROTECTED AND GRANTED A DECENT LIFE despite where in the world they live or what adults do or did to them.

Talking about life of innocent kids( yes, they are innocent of any guilt or charge even if they are illegaly living in the united states because they disn't choose to), and mentioning FANTASY LAND makes me wonder about you...

They are just kids man. Kids must be protected of adults, much more than the adult industry must be protected agains filelockers you fight against or content thieves L-Pink keeps stalking in this forum whenever he gets a chance.

If you and the other guys think any action can be taken agains kids because of laws made by stupid adults or the actions of their parents, well, you guys are really fucked up.... badly....

All of that is valid, but that is not the world we live in. How you think or not think children should be treated is not how the world really is. Right or wrong, laws are laws. That is the point I'm trying to make. Unless the entire world opens up, then the USA shouldn't. Otherwise, why does some Mexican kid get the right to become a US citizen when my kid is denied the right to become a Mexican citizen? What that says is, everyone's children are precious once they are inside of America, but American kids are shit once they leave US borders. That is hardly fair and is equally abusive. It has to be a level playing field or I don't support it. Send them back to Mexico or Guatemala or wherever the hell they came from, becuase they would send my kids back just the same.

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

All of that is valid, but that is not the world we live in. How you think or not think children should be treated is not how the world really is. Right or wrong, laws are laws. That is the point I'm trying to make. Unless the entire world opens up, then the USA shouldn't. Otherwise, why does some Mexican kid get the right to become a US citizen when my kid is denied the right to become a Mexican citizen? What that says is, everyone's children are precious once they are inside of America, but American kids are shit once they leave US borders. That is hardly fair and is equally abusive. It has to be a level playing field or I don't support it. Send them back to Mexico or Guatemala or wherever the hell they came from, becuase they would send my kids back just the same.

You ended the prvious post with the phrase Adios Amigo.
Now you talk about mexican kids...

Why is that?

you don't seem to realize that when we talk about illegal aliens we are not talking about mexicans...

DWB · 08-25-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

If you and the other guys think any action can be taken agains kids because of laws made by stupid adults or the actions of their parents, well, you guys are really fucked up.... badly....

You send the entire family back to wherever they came from. Or you give them all citizenship and be done with it. One or the other, because I don't believe in jailing them, even though that is how the entire rest of the world deals with it, including the children too.

And wake up man, it is a big, nasty world out there and many other countries will lock the kids up on juvenile prisons for being there illegally. Some developing nations will sell the kids to brothels or for slave labor. The kids in the USA have it made if getting deported is their only fear.

DWB · 08-25-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

You ended the prvious post with the phrase Adios Amigo.
Now you talk about mexican kids...

Why is that?

you don't seem to realize that when we talk about illegal aliens we are not talking about mexicans...

I don't care where they are from, but where I grew up all the illegals were from Mexico and Guatemala. And last I checked, the USA had more illegals from Mexico than any place else.

Or are you talking about those pesky Canadians who sneak down for our incredible health care?

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You send the entire family back to wherever they came from. Or you give them all citizenship and be done with it. One or the other, because I don't believe in jailing them, even though that is how the entire rest of the world deals with it, including the children too.

And wake up man, it is a big, nasty world out there and many other countries will lock the kids up on juvenile prisons for being there illegally. Some developing nations will sell the kids to brothels or for slave labor. The kids in the USA have it made if getting deported is their only fear.

You need to wake up.

Dream Act is not about the world against americans, is not about illegal imigrants getting drivers license, is not about conspiracy theories about parents planning to travel here to give birth to their children, is about protecting children, protecting kids according to laws way bigger than american laws: Kids Human Rights.

I don't need to wake up. You need to read what you are writing and give it a deep analysys.

Take action against kids because they were brought here by their parents? WOW, JUST WOW.

DWB · 08-25-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

You need to wake up.

Dream Act is not about the world against americans, is not about illegal imigrants getting drivers license, is not about conspiracy theories about parents planning to travel here to give birth to their children, is about protecting children, protecting kids according to laws way bigger than american laws: Kids Human Rights.

I don't need to wake up. You need to read what you are writing and give it a deep analysys.

Take action against kids because they were brought here by their parents? WOW, JUST WOW.

Sorry jefe, I live in the real world and I'm wide awake.

If "take actions" means deporting the entire family, then I'm all for it if that is the law. Better they go as a family instead of breaking up the family and only sending the parents back. That to me is worse than anything, but seems you are all for breaking up the family unit to "protect" the kid. That defies logic and will cause more damage to the child than anything. But I guess when it comes to getting a passport so they can slowly start the process of bringing their other 400 family members up, that is what they have to do.

Based on the Spanish under your avatar, I'm guessing you are illegal yourself or this issue strikes close to home because you know some who are? This seems like a very touchy subject for you. You should take your complaints up with the governments of the world instead of GFY.

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Sorry jefe, I live in the real world and I'm wide awake.

If "take actions" means deporting the entire family, then I'm all for it if that is the law. Better they go as a family instead of breaking up the family and only sending the parents back. That to me is worse than anything, but seems you are all for breaking up the family unit to "protect" the kid. That defies logic and will cause more damage to the child than anything. But I guess when it comes to getting a passport so they can slowly start the process of bringing their other 400 family members up, that is what they have to do.

Based on the Spanish under your avatar, I'm guessing you are illegal yourself or this issue strikes close to home because you know some who are? This seems like a very touchy subject for you. You should take your complaints up with the governments of the world instead of GFY.

Wow man, you will have to prove your words now. Or you will have to be banned.

Based on the spanish on my avatar i'm an illegal? Really?

DWB · 08-25-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Wow man, you will have to prove your words now. Or you will have to be banned.

Based on the spanish on my avatar i'm an illegal? Really?

Please forward my post to Eric at once! Rápido por favor!

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Please forward my post to Eric at once! Rápido por favor!

You don't need to go down that road just because i disagree with you and insult me or question my legal status based on my native language.

DWB · 08-25-2012, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

You don't need to go down that road just because i disagree with you and insult me or question my legal status based on my native language.

Read what I said again, it was a question, not a statement. That is what the little "?" thingie means at the end of a sentence.

19teenporn · 08-25-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Read what I said again, it was a question, not a statement. That is what the little "?" thingie means at the end of a sentence.

Again man, you didn't need to implicity insult me and explicity make fun of me just because i speak spanish.

Any person despite race or nationality has the right to disagree with you. You are not a superior being just for being born in the united states.

AllAboutCams · 08-25-2012, 06:59 AM

Booking my tickets now

tony286 · 08-25-2012, 07:05 AM

I guess all the people against are native American Indians.

DWB · 08-25-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Again man, you didn't need to implicity insult me and explicity make fun of me just because i speak spanish.

Who is making fun of of insulting you? You're too sensitive.

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Any person despite race or nationality has the right to disagree with you.

This is not about agreeing or disagreeing, this is about facts and law. One does not get to live in a state of imagination and possibility when it comes to citizenship. You either are legal or you are not. You either abide by the rules, or you do not.

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

You are not a superior being just for being born in the united states.

I'll tell you what, when whatever country you come from plants a flag on the moon, lands on mars, gives a black man a Nobel Peace Prize for simply being black, and dominates the Olympics, then you can feel superior too. Until then, please make sure we have a steady supply of bananas because Americans need potassium.

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I guess all the people against are native American Indians.

And before Indians were cavemen.

2MuchMark · 08-25-2012, 09:23 AM

That's not how it works.

First, they aren't criminals. They are CHILDREN of illegal immigrants. They have to prove that they were born in the US, prove that they went to and are going to school in the US, and have no criminal background, etc.

While they may be opportunities for fraudsters, the intent of the dream act is to grant children of illegal immigrants the chance to remain in the country that they were born in and grew up in.

EriktheRabbit · 08-25-2012, 09:33 AM

Senor:

The rub here is that Americans, native born, in the past 100 years and those who are here legally are pretty upset because we are in a Depression deep recession. Obama just added up to 1.7 million people to the legal work force. He is rewarding illegal entry. US is only country now doing this sort of thing. This is 2012, not 1640 or 1801, This is 2012.

Joke is on the immigrants however. US is capitalistic greed out of control. Why do you think Texans have dropped "Capitalism" for "Free Enterprise"? "Capitalism Americano-Style" leaves too bad a taste in the rest of the world's mouth.

US Middle Class is shrinking, the money movers need lots of people to fill up the walmarts and the Mickey D's. They are also the ones slashing public education so we have a nation of dimwits who cannot or will not voice an opinion let alone have a well thought out point of view. Immigrants fill these needs quite nicely. Your lack of understanding the science of our economic reality and sub-high school ED proves my point. No offense, but reality.

People come here looking for a better life? Most come to feed off or end up feeding off the welfare system they cannot have access to in their own countries. FACT. As poor as the east side of LA is, most are better off here than where they came from. SAD, really.
You bring up anchor babies? This is the number one reason why.

The joke is in 20-30 years when there is no middle class to feed off of and the rich have all renounced their citizenship and moved to other countries. Which is already happening.
The Dream Act is just another planned step in the Reconquista de Estados Unidos, right?
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. lol.

You think I do not have compassion for children? I am seething mad when I pass by all the ghettos of American children of all colors whose parents are being squeezed down even harder because there are millions here who should not be here.

FUCK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and the JOTO coyotes who bring them here!

08-24-2012, 06:20 PM	#1
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,104	the dream act Illegal immigration: agents sue to block Obama's 'DREAM Act' Ten federal immigration officials filed suit on Thursday asking a US district judge in Dallas to block the Homeland Security Department from implementing President Obama?s decision to give special immigration status to some 1.7 million children of illegal immigrants. The suit charges that Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and a key immigration official are engaging in an illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of government power by implementing an administrative version of the DREAM Act without congressional authorization. It says the agency action is forcing immigration agents in the field to either enforce federal law as passed by Congress or abide by the administration?s new immigration policies and priorities. Could you pass a US citizenship test? ?We are federal law enforcement officers who are being ordered to break the law,? said one of the plaintiffs, Chris Crane, a deportation officer in Utah, and president of the immigration agents? union. Ms. Napolitano issued an agency directive on June 15 instructing immigration officials to use their ?prosecutorial discretion? to confer special immigration status to the children of illegal immigrants. The program took full effect on August 15 and drew thousands of initial applicants. The DREAM Act is a legislative proposal designed to lift the cloud of deportation over children who were brought to the US before they were 16, have been in the country for five years, and have no criminal record. The DREAM Act has been debated 24 times since 2001 but has never passed Congress. Earlier this year, Mr. Obama declared that his administration would take action on its own to implement the goals of the DREAM Act without relying on legislation from Congress. Critics denounced the move as an unconstitutional power grab designed to appeal to potential Latino voters in a critical presidential election year. Supporters said the executive branch of government has ample discretionary authority to implement DREAM Act goals. The effort is consistent with the administration?s policy of focusing enforcement and deportations on illegal immigrants who commit serious crime, officials say. Thursday?s lawsuit essentially asks a federal judge to resolve the debate. ?This is an absolutely breathtaking assertion of authority,? said lawyer Kris Kobach, who is representing the 10 immigration officers. ?The administration can?t do this by fiat,? he said. Mr. Kobach is secretary of state in Kansas and is an informal adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate. He was a delegate to the Republican Party?s platform committee in advance of the GOP?s national convention in Tampa, Fla., next week. Kobach is the same lawyer who helped Arizona officials draft their tough and controversial immigration enforcement law, Senate Bill 1070. In June, the US Supreme Court struck down three provisions of that law, but upheld the measure?s centerpiece, requiring state and local law-enforcement officials to check the immigration status of anyone detained during a lawful stop who they had reason to suspect was in the US illegally. The lawsuit against Napolitano asks a federal judge to examine whether the agency?s actions violate federal law by directing agents to ignore the command in immigration statutes that agents ?shall? place illegal immigrants into removal proceedings. A memorandum by John Morton, director ofImmigration and Customs Enforcement, asserts that under ?prosecutorial discretion? agents no longer are required to follow the procedures in the immigration statute. The lawsuit says there is nothing under federal law authorizing an agency to ignore or rewrite the statute?s requirements. The suit also charges that there is nothing in federal immigration law that permits an executive branch official to use regulatory discretion to grant a benefit to 1.7 million individuals. The Homeland Security Department also lacks the unilateral authority to grant 1.7 million undocumented individuals authorization to work in the US, the suit says. Finally, the suit charges that conferring legal rights and privileges to a large group is a legislative act assigned to Congress under the Constitution. The suit says the administration?s actions violate the constitutional command that the executive branch of government ?shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.? Mr. Crane of Utah said the administration?s new policy toward the children of illegal immigrants is causing problems for enforcement agents. He cited the case of an agent in Delaware who apprehended an illegal immigrant who had 10 traffic violations including driving without a license. Such an individual would routinely be placed in removal proceedings, Crane said. But after the directives from Washington, he said, management-level officials are enforcing a broad reading of the agency?s ?prosecutorial discretion.? When the arresting agent insisted on processing the individual, he was threatened with a three-day suspension, Crane said. Now any subsequent action by the same agent might result in his being fired, he said. Crane cited a similar incident in El Paso, Texas, where enforcement agents were ordered to release an illegal immigrant who has allegedly attempted to escape and allegedly assaulted one of the officers. Rather than investigate the agents? accusations, immigration managers ordered the man released because they said he fit the profile of an individual qualified for special status under the new program. ?We are not enforcing law anymore and we aren?t even enforcing the policy,? Crane said. ?When we come in contact with someone who claims to be a ?DREAMer,? we have to accept that claim and the alien has no burden of proof to substantiate that claim,? he said. Of the 10 agents who filed the lawsuit, seven are posted in Texas, one is in California, one in Delaware, and one in Utah. Two of the immigration agents are deportation officers and eight are enforcement officers. full article... __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

08-24-2012, 06:44 PM	#4
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,432	I don't understand this at all. If you are here illegally, your in violation of the law - period, no exceptions. I fail to understand how this is even open to discussion. If you violate our border and enter our country illegally, you are nothing more than a criminal. And maybe this is what we need to do - treat them as criminals. Violate our borders, and you go to prison for two years. If we are unable to figure out who you are or what country your from, you stay in prison until we can - until you die if so be it. What a fucked up country - throw pot smokers into prison but let illegal immigrants get a driver's license? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

08-25-2012, 06:59 AM	#27
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08-25-2012, 09:23 AM	#30
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,940	That's not how it works. First, they aren't criminals. They are CHILDREN of illegal immigrants. They have to prove that they were born in the US, prove that they went to and are going to school in the US, and have no criminal background, etc. While they may be opportunities for fraudsters, the intent of the dream act is to grant children of illegal immigrants the chance to remain in the country that they were born in and grew up in. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

08-24-2012, 06:25 PM	#2
garce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,103	Nice editorial. An editorial that you did not write, and I did not read.

08-25-2012, 07:05 AM	#28
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I guess all the people against are native American Indians.

08-25-2012, 09:33 AM	#31
EriktheRabbit So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 422	Senor: The rub here is that Americans, native born, in the past 100 years and those who are here legally are pretty upset because we are in a Depression deep recession. Obama just added up to 1.7 million people to the legal work force. He is rewarding illegal entry. US is only country now doing this sort of thing. This is 2012, not 1640 or 1801, This is 2012. Joke is on the immigrants however. US is capitalistic greed out of control. Why do you think Texans have dropped "Capitalism" for "Free Enterprise"? "Capitalism Americano-Style" leaves too bad a taste in the rest of the world's mouth. US Middle Class is shrinking, the money movers need lots of people to fill up the walmarts and the Mickey D's. They are also the ones slashing public education so we have a nation of dimwits who cannot or will not voice an opinion let alone have a well thought out point of view. Immigrants fill these needs quite nicely. Your lack of understanding the science of our economic reality and sub-high school ED proves my point. No offense, but reality. People come here looking for a better life? Most come to feed off or end up feeding off the welfare system they cannot have access to in their own countries. FACT. As poor as the east side of LA is, most are better off here than where they came from. SAD, really. You bring up anchor babies? This is the number one reason why. The joke is in 20-30 years when there is no middle class to feed off of and the rich have all renounced their citizenship and moved to other countries. Which is already happening. The Dream Act is just another planned step in the Reconquista de Estados Unidos, right? Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. lol. You think I do not have compassion for children? I am seething mad when I pass by all the ghettos of American children of all colors whose parents are being squeezed down even harder because there are millions here who should not be here. FUCK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and the JOTO coyotes who bring them here!