Rochard

So your saying that our government wanted to protect us form terrorist attacks by enacting this new law, so they staged the largest terrorist attack ever to get the law passed?

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard yet.

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Rochard

So your saying... That weeks after the attacks constructions crews cut some metal?

I swear to god you fuckers will believe anything that anyone posts. Ever. If it's on the Internet, it MUST be real.

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Rochard

Here's all you need to know right here kids - Large planes hit large buildings. The rest is bullshit.

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Assistant Secretary of the Treasury to the Reagan Administration, worked at Wall Street Journal, Co-founder of Reaganomics.

I thought you were a Mainstream propagandist/believe what they tell you, hurrah grunt Marine? You should know this.

False flags won't fit into your unquestionable subservience to the foreign banks.

Paul Markham

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A plane with wings fully loaded with fuel would spread the fire from room to room as it did in the towers, in any building unless every single door had a super fire door. The flames would of spread and caused more devastation and the wings hitting the building more damage.

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If you had to take a guess, how many bathrooms were in each of those buildings?

wehateporn

It's just a shame that the plane which was meant to go into WTC7 got delayed for 42 minutes in airport congestion, around 90% of the current 'Truthers' would still believe the Official Story if WTC7 had had a plane in it like it was meant to.

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In the Towers I would guess 4 - 6 on each floor.

In the Pentagon I would guess 1 per person, you know how the military love to spend money.

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The real question that I have about all of this is...

How many of you "truther" idiots does it take to screw in a light bulb?

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wehateporn

Just the 1 Truther per lightbulb, the real question is...

How many '911 official story' believers does it take to change a lightbulb?

Answer: NONE, 'Official Story' believers prefer to sit in the dark

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Rochard

So your saying.... That because when I was seventeen I liked the President that I should have known and researched everyone that worked in the White House?

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Rochard

Well, you never were too fucking bright Paul.

I'm sure the building had fire doors. But when a plane slams into a building and physically destroys multiple floors, it's king of a moot issue. The fire doors were physically gone at that point.

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BFT3K

Sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. It is not in context with the passage you referenced.

12clicks

truth hurts when your nose is rubbed in it, eh loser?

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helterskelter808

Actually the biggest, most organized and planned terrorist attack in US history is nothing like some jackass robbing a bank, and the entire state, defense and intelligence apparatus of the US and its allies is also nothing like a local PD. I'm surprised you would think otherwise.

Of course. All the Russians had to to was get into US airspace it was game over.

Before 9/11: no radar, no air defense, nothing, not even over obvious prime targets like the Pentagon or White House. Sylvester Stallone and Tom Cruise were enough to keep the Russians at bay, and NORAD's job was to track Santa Claus.

No, nobody saw them coming. There were not numerous intelligence reports before 9/11 that something was about to happen. We had no conception that planes could be used as weapons. No plots were ever foiled, no movies or books ever had that as their premise. Nothing.

Who could have predicted an attack on the WTC? It's not like it actually happened, in 1993. Who could predict someone stealing a plane and crashing it into, say, the White House? It's not like that happened too, on September 11 1994.

Other events that never happened just in that same one year include:

Air France Flight 8969, where an Islamist group hijacked a plane with the apparent intention of crashing it into the Eiffel Tower.

PAL Flight 434, a precursor to "Project Bojinka", a large scale plot to hijack multiple airliners and crash one into the headquarters of the CIA.

FedEx Flight 705, where a suicidal hijacker of a cargo plane over Arkansas, armed with two claw hammers, two mallets, a knife, and a speargun, was overpowered by the crew and the plane landed successfully.

The list goes on and on and on.

Yes, no wonder 9/11 was a complete surprise to absolutely everyone everywhere and could not possibly have been averted. Oh, except it was averted, at least right up until the neo-cons took over the White House, after talking about a 'new Pearl Harbor'.

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Sigh.........

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Rochard

Your saying the Bush administration wanted to push the Patriot Act through. Then your saying the government planned and pulled off 9/11. Thus, your saying that The Bush Administration (or the US Government) staged the largest terrorist attack ever to enact a law to protect us from terrorist attacks... That's sheer brilliance.

This is what bugs me about the entire 9/11 conspiracy theories - NO ONE can give anyone a valid reason for 9/11. Does anyone really believe the Bush administration wanted to pass the Patriot Act so they murdered thousands of Americans? Does anyone really believe that the US government wanted to invade Afghanistan? Does anyone really believe that 9/11 happened because an oil company wanted to build a pipeline through Afghanistan? (Which still hasn't been built and most likely will never be built because of the war.)

Planes hit buildings. We all saw this happen. Most of us saw it happen live. And yet we still have people who don't believe that a large jet liner can take out a building. Then again, I read an article this morning that says 15% of the US population believes Romney ordered the Seals to kill Bin Laden.

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BFT3K

The government's 911 story is full of holes. Many people made many dollars, and an agenda was orchestrated and executed.

The paragraphs of specific beliefs you claim I stand behind, are not my statements however.. they are just words and thoughts you are erroneously stating that I believe.

I don't specifically believe or disbelieve anything about 911 - I say the whole thing stinks from top to bottom, and the official story is solid bullshit. That is all.

The government can declare this to be a red triangle all day long...



But I know it is not.

BFT3K

Sometimes reality is simply subjective...

Rochard

Yes, it's full of fucking holes. Of course it is. Because so many things happened that day and we didn't have a video camera on every floor of every building and monitors hooked up to every last structural support and didn't have thermometers telling us exactly how hot the steel beams were and when they gave way, etc etc etc etc.

Apply common sense here. There's a car accident, everyone saw it, and everyone can see the skid marks. The car hit a telephone pole on the driver's side. But when you take a closer look at the engine compartment, you would think the alternator would be pushed away from the point of impact, but maybe it wasn't - maybe it was pushed towards it. Why is that? Dunno. This happened to me as a kid and we could never explain it.

Why did WTC7 fall? Gee, maybe because millions of tons of concrete pushed it off it's fucking foundation.

The explanationsof what happened on 9/11 is a "best guess" because we didn't have a scientist standing at the scene taking temperature readings.

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BFT3K

The extent to which so many people will bend over backwards to defend the government's official, and truly absurd, 911 story astounds me. Is it just easier to sleep at night when you are resigned to believe the unbelievable?

You believe it - I don't - that's just how it goes. Until and unless further facts are revealed, I think we're at an impasse.

No two people think the same, or process reality in the same way. It's just the way it is.

Rochard

You took what I said completely out of context.

I did not compare 9/11 to a shooting.

I said your boy there claiming the CIA failed to prevent this is like saying the police failed to prevent a crime from happening before it happened, which is absurd.

Your guy is blaming NORAD for this, but that's wrong. NORAD is mostly in Canada and Alaska, looking for Russian bombers. They have radar looking at US approaches, not the US itself. Fuck, the FAA couldn't tell which plane was hijacked. It's really easy to say "look at the radar" but the truth is at any given time there are thousands of planes flying over the US.

And at the end of the day what the fuck was NORAD going to do? Even if the FAA could figure out exactly which plane was hijacked and exactly where the plane was, what were they going to do? Shoot civilian airplanes out of the sky?

And again your taking this all out of context. Yes, there was a bombing in the WTC years prior, and yes, airplanes have been used as weapons before. But what your saying here is we should have seen this coming. That's easy to do after the fact.

Know what, your right. Your one hundred percent right. We should have seen this coming. I demand that NORAD, the USAF, the CIA, AND the FBI set up a joint task force in LA to protect the Staples Center because it might some day be the target of a terrorist attack. They should send out spies from LA to the Middle East to ensure no one is plotting to do this. We'll have to do the same for the Space Needle up in Seattle, the Sears Building in Chicago, the Empire State building in NYC, the White House, monuments, stadiums, all tall buildings... Because they've attacked them before and they will do it again. Because someone flew an airplane into a building means that any building can now be a target, so we should put anti aircraft missiles at these locations.

BTW, NYPD did just this - set up a special task force to investigate potential terrorist attacks. They even had help from the CIA. I'm sure you read about the public felt about the NYPD spying on American citizens in New Jersey.

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helterskelter808

He's not blaming anyone, AFAICS, he is simply stating that it's unbelievable that everything failed. Meanwhile everything the hijackers did worked perfectly.

biskoppen

It's funny how a lot of people always stick to the story told by the media

This cattle mentality is why stunts like this can be pulled off to begin with.. because anyone questioning it will be laughed at..

In other words - you can never question anything - only believe what you're told by the media.. pretty easy to pull of anything then.

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helterskelter808

If you have multiple credible reports about an attack on the US, it's not that difficult pick out a top ten list of targets, near the top of which would obviously be the WTC and Pentagon.

Hell, the Pentagon was training for a scenario involving a 757 hitting the building just a few months before 9/11.

What do you think happens now? We don't have spies in the ME? Israel doesn't? Britain doesn't? France doesn't? Germany doesn't? Russia doesn't? Bin Laden couldn't fart in a sandstorm without someone noticing, let alone plan a several year long operation of monumental and unheard of proportions.

And that's exactly what happened, numerous reports came in throughout 2001, and earlier years, about terrorists possibly already within the US planning an attack involving planes.

The FAA was receiving and giving out warnings to increase security before 9/11. The idea that nobody knew something big was about to happen, the method of attack and the likely targets, is absolute bullshit.

Rochard

Yeah, because we don't receive a dozen threats on a daily basis.

Great, so they pick the top ten potential targets and spend hundreds of millions arming them with anti aircraft missiles.

But I see a few problems here....

1) What happens when a civilian airliner gets lost and ventures too close to a target? Who will be able to give the order to shoot it down? Remember, that person will have seconds to decide if it's a terrorist attack or a plane a few miles off course.

2) Now we have anti aircraft missiles on the ground right next to potential targets. Let's just say... The Empire State building. Well, what's the stop the terrorists from taking over those missile silos and launching those missiles off at any plane in range? I mean, we can't build a secure military base in the heart of NYC to house these things, right? I guess you could, but you have to have it guarded 24/7, etc - more money.

3) Great, you've got the top ten targets protected at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. And maybe they might be able to stop a terrorist attack from a plane IF they have enough time and IF someone has the balls to shoot down a civilian plane. But now everyone in the world knows which sites are protected, and they'll just go for target number 11. Lots of time, money, and effort - wasted.

4) And all of the above only protects ten sites from terrorists taking over airplanes again. Fuck, they can hijack a plane and turn around and aim it right back at the airport. Or office building. Or oil terminal. Or port. Or for that matter, a gas station.

We are a huge target. Last time it was airplanes and buildings, next time it will be an oil tanker rammed into tourist attraction on the coast. Or something. It's just a matter of time.

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