Russia will back Egyptian efforts to end Israeli aggression: Putin

[wehateporn]

Putin will definitely be assassinated at some point

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11...-israel-putin/

"Russian President Vladimir Putin says his country will back Egyptian efforts to put an end to the Israeli aggression in the besieged Gaza Strip.

In a telephone conversation with Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi on Friday, Putin said Russia planned to support Cairo's efforts directed at normalizing the situation in the Palestinian territory, the Kremlin said in a statement.

The remarks come after Egypt?s Prime Minister Hisham Qandil visited the Gaza Strip on Friday, where he urged the world leaders to stop Tel Aviv?s attacks.


Qandil promised to intensify Egypt?s efforts to ?stop this aggression and achieve a lasting truce."

On Thursday, President Morsi also condemned the Israeli aggression as "unacceptable" and warned it could lead to instability in the region.

Some 25 people have been killed and more than 250 others injured in the new wave of attacks since November 14.

The Israeli regime frequently carries out airstrikes and other attacks on the Gaza Strip, saying the acts of aggression are being conducted for defensive purposes. However, in violation of international law, disproportionate force is always used and civilians are often killed or injured."

[DWB]

I guess we're about to see just how good a friend the USA is to Israel.

[seeandsee]

serious shit on east again

[pornmasta]

......

[just a punk]

It's a diplomatic chatter. Nothing serious IMHO.

[crockett]

He isn't gonna do shit, just dog & pony show. When he say's "support" it's just the same as when the US say we "support" Israel.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by DWB

I guess we're about to see just how good a friend the USA is to Israel.

unfortunately ...........

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by crockett

He isn't gonna do shit, just dog & pony show. When he say's "support" it's just the same as when the US say we "support" Israel.

Exactly. Furthermore "support Egyptian efforts" is not the same as "support Hamas".

[SpicyM]

When you get attacked by terrorists in the government, that were elected by the people, you are not allowed to fire back? Of course, disproportionate force, like if using proportionate force would make any effect.

So what are Israelis expected to do? Tolerate it?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

When you get attacked by terrorists in the government, that were elected by the people, you are not allowed to fire back? Of course, disproportionate force, like if using proportionate force would make any effect.

So what are Israelis expected to do? Tolerate it?

It's breaking international law

The Gaza blockade was always going to lead us down this avenue

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's breaking international law
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I guess a proportionate defense by Israel would be to just fire 800+ rockets randomly into Gaza. I guess that would be okay with everyone.

P. S. Egypt has also been blockading Gaza from their side of the border, so it's all very ironic isn't it?







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[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I guess a proportionate defense by Israel would be to just fire 800+ rockets randomly into Gaza. I guess that would be okay with everyone.

P. S. Egypt has also been blockading Gaza from their side of the border, so it's all very ironic isn't it?

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Well Israel could try giving the Palestinians equality and freedom and treating them as humans instead of the way they have been treating them for the past few decades. How come I never see you champion that?

Tell me Bozo what are the Palestinians supposed to do? There was a ceasefire in 2008 and Israel broke it. We tried not fighting, we got killed for it. We can't go to the international courts because Israel and the US keep pushing that we don't file for statehood. In the West Bank no rockets are fired yet Israel continues to steal land and demolish Palestinian homes. Should the Palestinians sit by and do nothing like the Jews did during WWII which led to 6 million of them being killed? No thanks.

So next time before you get all riled up about Hamas firing rockets ask yourself why they fire those rockets. Ask yourself what other choices the Palestinians have. There are none. It is either sit and be killed and watch as the race fades into obscurity or continue to wage a resistance against Israel if for nothing else to show the world that we are not content with the situation we are in.

[Captain Kawaii]

If Bebe would stop lying through his teeth about peace and 2 state system, we wouldn't be looking at this thread. Hamas is just as bad. Its going to keep escalating until full on war is upon the region.

Arms dealers must be salivating.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Well Israel could try giving the Palestinians equality and freedom and treating them as humans instead of the way they have been treating them for the past few decades. How come I never see you champion that?

Tell me Bozo what are the Palestinians supposed to do? There was a ceasefire in 2008 and Israel broke it. We tried not fighting, we got killed for it. We can't go to the international courts because Israel and the US keep pushing that we don't file for statehood. In the West Bank no rockets are fired yet Israel continues to steal land and demolish Palestinian homes. Should the Palestinians sit by and do nothing like the Jews did during WWII which led to 6 million of them being killed? No thanks.

So next time before you get all riled up about Hamas firing rockets ask yourself why they fire those rockets. Ask yourself what other choices the Palestinians have. There are none. It is either sit and be killed and watch as the race fades into obscurity or continue to wage a resistance against Israel if for nothing else to show the world that we are not content with the situation we are in.

Quite ironic that Israel was put in the very same position by those that they still fight today. The very first war Israel was involved in as a new country, was defending it's self from attack by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.

[2012]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by 2012

the other half will be mutants

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by crockett

Quite ironic that Israel was put in the very same position by those that they still fight today. The very first war Israel was involved in as a new country, was defending it's self from attack by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.

"We have stolen their country. Why should they accept that?" - Israel's first Prime Minister.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by crockett

Quite ironic that Israel was put in the very same position by those that they still fight today. The very first war Israel was involved in as a new country, was defending it's self from attack by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.

What very same position are you talking about here? That they had no choice? They could have always worked with the Palestinian people instead of the Zionist movement insisting that they be removed from Palestine even before Israel was formed.

If I took your home from you am I really defending myself when you come to take it back?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by crockett

Quite ironic that Israel was put in the very same position by those that they still fight today. The very first war Israel was involved in as a new country, was defending it's self from attack by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.

Check out the definition of Ironic

[crockett]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

What very same position are you talking about here? That they had no choice? They could have always worked with the Palestinian people instead of the Zionist movement insisting that they be removed from Palestine even before Israel was formed.

If I took your home from you am I really defending myself when you come to take it back?

You do realize that just like Israel was created by the UN after WW2 that most of the countries they fight were created by the British & French after WW1?

Modern Lebanon was created in September 1920
Modern Turkey was created in September 1922
Modern Syria was created in April 1946
Modern Israel was formed in May 1948

Iraq was not part of the Ottoman Empire and as such were not effected by the dissolution of it. Iran was partially controlled by it.

There were other countries also formed but they aren't in play here..

The people's ancestors whom lived in these lands all lived under different empires for thousands of years just the same as the Jews. It was the after WW1 and the Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire that each of these current day states was formed. Israel & Syria not until after WW2.

The difference with Israel is they are Jews and Jews have been the enemy of Arabs for thousands of years. The Arab states have never accepted the Jewish state even though their own states were also created by the western powers.

It's not like they just truck loaded in millions of Jews and said hey build some houses here! The fucking place was called Eretz Israel for fucks sake.. (ie Land of Fucking Israel) They fought the fucking Romans for almost the same land they fight for today.

This is the former Jewish states prior to modern day Israel..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom...nited_monarchy)

humm notice anything similar?

Does it really appear that Jews just spawned in the middle east in 1948 stealing people's land overnight by a letter from the UN? No they have lived there for thousands of years and were awarded an official state after WW2 just like Syria and Lebanon and Turkey of WW1.

Again the only difference is they are Jews and Arabs hate Jews.

[potter]

presstv.ir - and you all are even discussing it?

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by crockett

You do realize that just like Israel was created by the UN after WW2 that most of the countries they fight were created by the British & French after WW1?

Modern Lebanon was created in September 1920
Modern Turkey was created in September 1922
Modern Syria was created in April 1946
Modern Israel was formed in May 1948

Iraq was not part of the Ottoman Empire and as such were not effected by the dissolution of it. Iran was partially controlled by it.

There were other countries also formed but they aren't in play here..

The people's ancestors whom lived in these lands all lived under different empires for thousands of years just the same as the Jews. It was the after WW1 and the Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire that each of these current day states was formed. Israel & Syria not until after WW2.

Can you tell me which one of those countries expelled a native population in order to let a new population move in and take over? None of them except Israel.

The difference with Israel is they are Jews and Jews have been the enemy of Arabs for thousands of years. The Arab states have never accepted the Jewish state even though their own states were also created by the western powers.

Considering Palestine was a tourist destination for Jews in the 1930s I don't know what you mean here? Sure tensions were always high between the two sides after Zionism came in but before Zionism the two groups lived in relative peace especially compared to the way the Jewish people were treated elsewhere in the world.

It's not like they just truck loaded in millions of Jews and said hey build some houses here! The fucking place was called Eretz Israel for fucks sake.. (ie Land of Fucking Israel) They fought the fucking Romans for almost the same land they fight for today.

Oh are we going back to biblical times now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

Who later became the Palestinians were there before the Israeli states.

Does it really appear that Jews just spawned in the middle east in 1948 stealing people's land overnight by a letter from the UN? No they have lived there for thousands of years and were awarded an official state after WW2 just like Syria and Lebanon and Turkey of WW1.

Disproven above.

Again the only difference is they are Jews and Arabs hate Jews.

Didn't peg you for a racist at first.

[SpicyM]

Read Bible.

They were there long before Christ was born.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Can you tell me which one of those countries expelled a native population in order to let a new population move in and take over? None of them except Israel.



Considering Palestine was a tourist destination for Jews in the 1930s I don't know what you mean here? Sure tensions were always high between the two sides after Zionism came in but before Zionism the two groups lived in relative peace especially compared to the way the Jewish people were treated elsewhere in the world.



Oh are we going back to biblical times now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

Who later became the Palestinians were there before the Israeli states.



Disproven above.



Didn't peg you for a racist at first.

Did you even read the page you linked.. They were also known as the "sea people" because they originally came from somewhere around the Mediterranean and they invaded the land. Meanwhile the Jewish people had been there long before..



and Racist.. ummm yea sure.. what ever floats your boat..

[Overload]

well, the palestines are not even allowed to drill for water ON THEIR G'DAMN OWN SOIL! so, what do you expect from someone who is pushed into the corner? i sure as fuck understand the palestines hatred ...

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by crockett

Did you even read the page you linked.. They were also known as the "sea people" because they originally came from somewhere around the Mediterranean and they invaded the land. Meanwhile the Jewish people had been there long before..



and Racist.. ummm yea sure.. what ever floats your boat..

Yes they originally came from somewhere other than that place, we all did, and yes the Jewish people had already been there at the time. Israel, however, wasn't there at the time.

Do you know what racism means crockett? Let me show you:

rac·ism/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun:
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...

When you say Arabs hate Jews what you are being is racist. Hope this can be a wake up call for you, crockett.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's not like they just truck loaded in millions of Jews and said hey build some houses here! The fucking place was called Eretz Israel for fucks sake.. (ie Land of Fucking Israel) They fought the fucking Romans for almost the same land they fight for today.

Most people dont get it. But what I dont understand is why they advocate those who elected a terrorist organisation for their government, terrorists that fire rockets to a nation that has had historical and religious connections to the region and land, well over thousand years before Islam even originated.

[TheSquealer]

Does it matter who was where "first"? That idiotic logic can go back millions of years. Every nation in the world today is built on layer upon layer of civilizations before them, conquerors and the conquered. What matters is who is where today. That is the world we live in.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Does it matter who was where "first"? That idiotic logic can go back millions of years. Every nation in the world today is built on layer upon layer of civilizations before them, conquerors and the conquered. What matters is who is where today. That is the world we live in.

Exactly. But it's always those protecting Palestinians claiming that jews have no right to be there and similiar. That's just not right.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Does it matter who was where "first"? That idiotic logic can go back millions of years. Every nation in the world today is built on layer upon layer of civilizations before them, conquerors and the conquered. What matters is who is where today. That is the world we live in.

Of course not in the rest of the world, but in the middle east the Arabic counties do not accept the right of a Jewish state to exist. Hence the reason it's important to show that they do have the right to their own state because they have been there just as long or longer than those whom claim they shouldn't be a state.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Exactly. But it's always those protecting Palestinians claiming that jews have no right to be there and similiar. That's just not right.

Right or wrong is a matter of perspective and is very subjective. The issue with respect to the "positions" of other nations is national and political interest always wrapped in the thin veil of "right" or "wrong". Egypt has a radical government and have to pretend to care, Russia is always posturing and never doing anything one way or an another. The rest of the Arab world shouts and yells and does absolutely nothing because they don't really care.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Yes they originally came from somewhere other than that place, we all did, and yes the Jewish people had already been there at the time. Israel, however, wasn't there at the time.

Do you know what racism means crockett? Let me show you:

rac·ism/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun:
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...

When you say Arabs hate Jews what you are being is racist. Hope this can be a wake up call for you, crockett.

yes so you posted the definition of "racism"..

The word Arab is not Racist nor is the word Jew. If I say Germans hated Russians it's not racist. Much the same as saying Arabs hate Jews isn't. It's called an opinion. Calling someone a dirty Jew or dirty Arab is of course racist.. of whicvh I did neither so..

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by crockett

Of course not in the rest of the world, but in the middle east the Arabic counties do not accept the right of a Jewish state to exist. Hence the reason it's important to show that they do have the right to their own state because they have been there just as long or longer than those whom claim they shouldn't be a state.

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in your home right now? Yes or no? Please let me know when you've left your home and given it to a Jewish family, I will be waiting, until that time you are rejecting the right of a Jewish home to exist.

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in the US right now?

The modern state of Israel has no connection to the biblical state of Israel.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by crockett

yes so you posted the definition of "racism"..

The word Arab is not Racist nor is the word Jew. If I say Germans hated Russians it's not racist. Much the same as saying Arabs hate Jews isn't. It's called an opinion. Calling someone a dirty Jew or dirty Arab is of course racist.. of whicvh I did neither so..

Hey did you see the definition I posted? Let me show it to you again in case you missed it the first time, crockett.

rac·ism/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun:
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...

When you say Arabs hate all Jews you are saying that Arabs all posses a characteristic simply because they are Arabs. That is racist. Do you understand now?

Sorry I usually debate this stuff with people who don't need definitions explained to them or I would have explained it to you the first time around.

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in your home right now? Yes or no? Please let me know when you've left your home and given it to a Jewish family, I will be waiting, until that time you are rejecting the right of a Jewish home to exist.

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in the US right now?

The modern state of Israel has no connection to the biblical state of Israel.

Fucked up logic

[AutumnBH]

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in the US right now?

There must be something seriously wrong with you.

Originally Posted by moeloubani

The modern state of Israel has no connection to the biblical state of Israel.

So, Jerusalem does not have any connections to the biblical era and jews..

This is more about religion, not the historical names of the states that were established here over the centuries.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

When you get attacked by terrorists in the government, that were elected by the people, you are not allowed to fire back? Of course, disproportionate force, like if using proportionate force would make any effect.

So what are Israelis expected to do? Tolerate it?

This is what I don't understand. They knew Israel was going to smack them around hard. Why poke the bear in the first place?

[blofer80]

[Wizzo]

Maybe he should take over the financial support of it as well.

[blofer80]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Hey did you see the definition I posted? Let me show it to you again in case you missed it the first time, crockett.

rac·ism/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun:
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...

When you say Arabs hate all Jews you are saying that Arabs all posses a characteristic simply because they are Arabs. That is racist. Do you understand now?

Sorry I usually debate this stuff with people who don't need definitions explained to them or I would have explained it to you the first time around.

Assad kills everyday so many civilians for months. Why we hear you only now, loser?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is what I don't understand. They knew Israel was going to smack them around hard. Why poke the bear in the first place?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Well Israel could try giving the Palestinians equality and freedom and treating them as humans instead of the way they have been treating them for the past few decades. How come I never see you champion that?

Tell me Bozo what are the Palestinians supposed to do? There was a ceasefire in 2008 and Israel broke it. We tried not fighting, we got killed for it. We can't go to the international courts because Israel and the US keep pushing that we don't file for statehood. In the West Bank no rockets are fired yet Israel continues to steal land and demolish Palestinian homes. Should the Palestinians sit by and do nothing like the Jews did during WWII which led to 6 million of them being killed? No thanks.

So next time before you get all riled up about Hamas firing rockets ask yourself why they fire those rockets. Ask yourself what other choices the Palestinians have. There are none. It is either sit and be killed and watch as the race fades into obscurity or continue to wage a resistance against Israel if for nothing else to show the world that we are not content with the situation we are in.

those were civilians and you know it. Soldiers come storming through your door what are you going to do? use your mma training?

You have a unique opportunity to give some perspective to the other side of these issues but all that comes out is misguided anger and hate. Maybe you should try a different approach instead?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by blofer80

Assad kills everyday so many civilians for months. Why we hear you only now, loser?

Assad is defending his people against Terrorists

[blofer80]

[crockett]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in your home right now? Yes or no? Please let me know when you've left your home and given it to a Jewish family, I will be waiting, until that time you are rejecting the right of a Jewish home to exist.

Do you accept the right of a Jewish home to exist in the US right now?

The modern state of Israel has no connection to the biblical state of Israel.

You are just going over the deep end at this point. It's not even worth arguing because Jewish people nor Palestinian people ever held any claims on the US or any other country out side the middle east so your commit has no logic.

Also for someone that is calling someone else racist.. You sure seem to be boarding on that line.

Also since you seem to think it's only the Jews that have pushed others out of their homes, perhaps you should educate your self. This went both ways. Arabs were forcing Jews out of their countries as soon as Israel was created as a backlash. It was actually before Israel was created, it only got worse after as a backlash. (don't hear you complaining about that now do we?)

Between 1930 to the 1970s 800,000 to 1 million Jews were forced out of neighboring Arab countries. Their homes & land were taken.

The Jewish people did the same thing in thew West Bank & Gaza to the Arab people as a result of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The difference here is Jews were being forced out of their homes prior to even having their modern day state created and returned the favor and the Arabic counties attacked them. So you can't say trhe Jews did it first as Arabs were kicking Jews out since the 30's under nationalism acts.

About 600,000 and 760,000 Palestinian Arabs were forced out of their homes as a result and another 10 thousand Jews were forced out of Palestinian as result of the 1948 war that Arabs started.

So the street goes both ways and personally I think both groups are in the wrong, but being you seem to only blame only the Jews, I figured I'd educate you. However you seem to be going off the deep end and it's becoming annoying arguing with you.

IMO there should be a Palestinian state created, but how do you work with people that elect a terrorist origination as their govt? Perhaps if Palestinian people had worked the legal system as the Jews did instead of just picking up the gun, perhaps they wouldn't be sitting with out a country today.

Ironically there was plans of a Palestinian state that ended up nothing happening because the Arab Israeli war. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 was to create two state, one for the Jewish & one for Palestine, but the Arabs attacked and it never happened.

Wanna blame someone, then blame the Arabs..

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by blofer80

happy in france ?
You must be kidding...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Fucked up logic

Yea not to mention that the land that Israel took was only taken as a result of the 1948 war where the Arabs attacked them and of course he doesn't mention anything about Egypt also grabbing up Palestinian land in that exchange.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are just going over the deep end at this point. It's not even worth arguing because Jewish people nor Palestinian people ever held any claims on the US or any other country out side the middle east so your commit has no logic.

Also for someone that is calling someone else racist.. You sure seem to be boarding on that line.

Also since you seem to think it's only the Jews that have pushed others out of their homes, perhaps you should educate your self. This went both ways. Arabs were forcing Jews out of their countries as soon as Israel was created as a backlash. It was actually before Israel was created, it only got worse after as a backlash. (don't hear you complaining about that now do we?)

Between 1930 to the 1970s 800,000 to 1 million Jews were forced out of neighboring Arab countries. Their homes & land were taken.

The Jewish people did the same thing in thew West Bank & Gaza to the Arab people as a result of the 1948 Arab?Israeli War. The difference here is Jews were being forced out of their homes prior to even having their modern day state created and returned the favor and the Arabic counties attacked them. So you can't say trhe Jews did it first as Arabs were kicking Jews out since the 30's under nationalism acts.

About 600,000 and 760,000 Palestinian Arabs were forced out of their homes as a result and another 10 thousand Jews were forced out of Palestinian as result of the 1948 war that Arabs started.

So the street goes both ways and personally I think both groups are in the wrong, but being you seem to only blame only the Jews, I figured I'd educate you. However you seem to be going off the deep end and it's becoming annoying arguing with you.

IMO there should be a Palestinian state created, but how do you work with people that elect a terrorist origination as their govt? Perhaps if Palestinian people had worked the legal system as the Jews did instead of just picking up the gun, perhaps they wouldn't be sitting with out a country today.

Ironically there was plans of a Palestinian state that ended up nothing happening because the Arab Israeli war. UN General Assembly Resolution 181 was to create two state, one for the Jewish & one for Palestine, but the Arabs attacked and it never happened.

Wanna blame someone, then blame the Arabs..

Using actual history is never a good idea on GFY. People will just find a "historical internet fact" that someone has posted somewhere and start waving it around.....




.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Using actual history is never a good idea on GFY. People will just find a "historical internet fact" that someone has posted somewhere and start waving it around.....




.

Haha..what a condescending fuck you are. Its clear you see yourself as a freethinker, an erudite of all subject, but sorry to break to you, unlike Crockett who feels very strongly about Israel but has a wide variety of opinions, you are bar johnnyclips THE most predictable poster on GFY. a walking cliche.

Get over yourself