WHy is IRAN so Bad

[Best-In-BC]

Im not a political animal but I wanna know whats the big deal about IRAN wanting a nuke when that present or w/e from Israel is clearly a bully and wants war no matter what.

(if I have Israel as a neighbour Id want one too)

And please correct me if Im wrong which Im sure I might be.

[Phoenix]

doesnt he have enough material to make many many dirty bombs? they would do the same job as a nuke pretty much.

[helterskelter808]

Iran doesn't want a nuke; that's just a lie put out by two countries that have nukes. But they should want one.

[CyberHustler]

Because they're a Shia country

[kane]

They want a nuke for 2 main reasons.

1. Respect. When you have the big stick people are forced, if by nothing else than default, to give you room to swing it. Having a nuke would make them a mini super power of sorts in the middle east.

2. to use it. They hat Israel and vice versa. If they had a nuke people in that region, Israel included would be forced to listen to them and take them seriously.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by kane

They want a nuke for 2 main reasons.

1. Respect. When you have the big stick people are forced, if by nothing else than default, to give you room to swing it. Having a nuke would make them a mini super power of sorts in the middle east.

2. to use it. They hat Israel and vice versa. If they had a nuke people in that region, Israel included would be forced to listen to them and take them seriously.

I agree with the first one. Look at the crazy shit north korea does and nothing happens. Look at Pakistan again nothing happens and they were hiding usa enemy number one. Saddam had none he is dead.

[helterskelter808]

Well they spent the last 65 years saying nukes are a deterrent. They deterred the Soviet Union. Therefore if any countries should have nukes it's the weaker ones, to deter superpower bullies.

.

[BIGTYMER]

Nuke = Respect

If Iran gets a nuke the US can no longer pick on them.

[Robbie]

I think Jesse Ventura said it best on Piers Morgan the other night:
The only countries the U.S. does NOT fuck with are ones with nukes.

We've created a world in which if you want to be safe from the United States..you better have nukes.

[Brujah]

I'm not sure myself if I believe the fears, that if Iran had a nuke they would use it on Israel or anyone else. Iran is a big country with a big economy and could rule that whole region. I doubt they'd do something pre-emptive, it'd be too stupid if they did have a nuke.

[tfs]

The only problem I see with Iran having nukes is that if they fired one off it would either splash down in the middle of the Persian Gulf, or land on their own heads.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think Jesse Ventura said it best on Piers Morgan the other night:
The only countries the U.S. does NOT fuck with are ones with nukes.

We've created a world in which if you want to be safe from the United States..you better have nukes.

Yep well said.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Well they spent the last 65 years saying nukes are a deterrent. They deterred the Soviet Union. Therefore if any countries should have nukes it's the weaker ones, to deter superpower bullies.

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Nailed My Opion

[Best-In-BC]

The Israelis Seem To Be Rude, Obnoxiousness, Regions nut bags like The Taliban, there just on our side

[Best-In-BC]

So one can explain why there bad ? So there bad cause they wanna protect there own ass from that crazy fuck, who can blame them

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think Jesse Ventura said it best on Piers Morgan the other night:
The only countries the U.S. does NOT fuck with are ones with nukes.

We've created a world in which if you want to be safe from the United States..you better have nukes.

others have quoted this for truth, but I will do so again, because it's a good summary with a good source example.

nukes deter US conventional occupation attacks, and keep out the US empire.

iran hopes to position itself as the shia leader of a divided post-oil muslim bilateral (sunni/shia) unified middleeast.

we basically GAVE iran the nation-state of iraq by deposing the sunni rule and putting the shia in charge.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

So one can explain why there bad ? So there bad cause they wanna protect there own ass from that crazy fuck, who can blame them

the corpocracy and plutocracy says they are bad, because they want to create an alternative to the petrodollar and the US corporate empire.

the media only tells the stories that the corpocrats and plutocrats want told.

so dumb americans believe they are "evil".

because americans suck corpocrat dick, and have lost the capacity to think for themselves.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

So one can explain why there bad ? So there bad cause they wanna protect there own ass from that crazy fuck, who can blame them

There is that whole thing where he called for Israel to be wiped off the map and has multiple times called for Israel's destruction.

When you start talking about destroying an entire country it tends to make people see you in a bad light.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

So one can explain why there bad ? So there bad cause they wanna protect there own ass from that crazy fuck, who can blame them

because Alcohol is banned.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Brujah

because Alcohol is banned.

Thats Lame , how about Chronic

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by kane

They want a nuke for 2 main reasons.

1. Respect. When you have the big stick people are forced, if by nothing else than default, to give you room to swing it. Having a nuke would make them a mini super power of sorts in the middle east.

2. to use it. They hat Israel and vice versa. If they had a nuke people in that region, Israel included would be forced to listen to them and take them seriously.

what has iran really done that has been that aggressive?

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by kane

There is that whole thing where he called for Israel to be wiped off the map and has multiple times called for Israel's destruction.

You mean there's the whole thing where some people said he said that.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by kane

There is that whole thing where he called for Israel to be wiped off the map and has multiple times called for Israel's destruction.

When you start talking about destroying an entire country it tends to make people see you in a bad light.

someone pounded a shoe on a podium once and said "we will bury you".

then they were our friends, then they were our enemies again, no, our friends, wait, enemies again.

you are offering a pretext, not a reason. basically repeating the media story that is our offical pretext - we have to protect israel, blah blah.

a threat is only credible when delivered by a credible threat, and even then, it's only a threat.

just like "al qaeda will destroy the US" - this is a pretext, small bands of irregulars with stolen weapons on distant continents are not a real threat to an industrial superpower.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

The Israelis Seem To Be Rude, Obnoxiousness, Regions nut bags like The Taliban, there just on our side

They are a civilized people, similar to your beloved Canadians, unlike the savages in Iran who chop people's heads off in executions, stone women for having sex before marriage and will kill you if you say you are gay. Read a book, moron.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

They are a civilized people, similar to your beloved Canadians, unlike the savages in Iran who chop people's heads off in executions, stone women for having sex before marriage and will kill you if you say you are gay. Read a book, moron.

wow ... you manage to post on a holiday ?

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

wow ... you manage to post on a holiday ?

[The Sultan Of Smut]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Nuke = Respect

If Iran gets a nuke the US can no longer pick on them.

Ding ding ding ding we have a winner!

[kane]

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury,”

“Iran is ready to transfer nuclear know-how to the
Islamic countries due to their need.”

“Our religion prohibits us from having nuclear arms and our religious leader has prohibited it from the point of view of religious law. It's a closed road,”

“There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world, ... The World without Zionism.”

“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map,”

All of these are quotes from their leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad not to mention his stance on gay people, his denial of the holocaust, how their government bans western music, potential election fraud, their censoring of the internet and television...

And

The Guardian reported that after the 1 March protest onwards, children from ages 12–16 began being used by the Basij against the protesters. According to information released by the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran, these children were "armed with batons, clubs and air guns and ordered to attack demonstrators who have tried to gather in Tehran." They had been bussed in by the government from rural provinces far from the capital. People in the area stated that the children had been paid and were also promised chelo kebab dinners.

Look, I personally don't give a fuck about Israel or Iran. I think the people of Israel should just pack their shit up and leave. They can come here or to Europe or other places and live peacefully, but both they and the Palestine people believe that is their holy land so there is no way of talking to them in a reasonable manner.

It just seems to me like Iran is led by a group of people who might be a little too radical and if they had a nuke they might give it to someone who would detonate it in a major city thus causing all kinds of chaos and allowing Iran to still claim their innocence.

Would they do anything if they had nukes? I don't know, but I don't see any harm in us doing what we can to keep them from getting them.

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what has iran really done that has been that aggressive?

Funding terrorists for example. For years.

[Emil]

Because the TV says so!

[Vendzilla]

Funny

You should all try punching a hole in the ocean knowing you have enough firepower on board to make a country disappear.
If they have nukes, one well placed nuke that goes boom looks like they fucked up, not that they were attacked.
Lived thru the cold war, don't want to do that again.

[Pierre Djurberg]

I belive in the bottom it is because jelausiy of the west and that they are without education, and blaming the west for everything they do wrong, mixed with fundamentalism.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

They are a civilized people, similar to your beloved Canadians, unlike the savages in Iran who chop people's heads off in executions, stone women for having sex before marriage and will kill you if you say you are gay. Read a book, moron.

Yeah, Im gonna pick up a book to read up on IRAN, ROFL, I work, sry

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by kane

Would they do anything if they had nukes? I don't know, but I don't see any harm in us doing what we can to keep them from getting them.

I'm surprised you dont support and qualify that with a cost/benefit analysis.

Not much harm in obstruction, quite a bit of harm in attempts to damage their technocracy militarily, either with US forces or israeli proxy.

[BradBreakfast]

[DVTimes]

they are a democratic country.

i thought thats what the usa wanted countries to be.

ps

of course they want nukes as the usa never invades countries with nukes. if you ran iran you would be wanting nukes.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

They are a civilized people, similar to your beloved Canadians, unlike the savages in Iran who chop people's heads off in executions, stone women for having sex before marriage and will kill you if you say you are gay. Read a book, moron.

What book did you read that in?

[Bill8]

The real question is, how much is america prepared to spend, as a country, to stop iran from getting a nuke.

We can launch penetrator attacks on their facilities - that would cost us, say, a few billion. Might work, might not - lets say it does work.

Does iran then start a campaign of blocking hormuz shipping? Probably. Do we then start a general campaign to try to stop this - and how much does all that cost? and how long is the price of oil kept at significantly higher levels? A year? Two? Four?

Do all the shia then go crazy? Maybe they will, but, except for iraq, the shia dont control that much oil - so, if we are willing to pay higher prices for oil, do we really care of the shia are killing every american they can get their hands on? I dont care, personally - you have to be an idiot to be an american in shia territory.

Are we prepared to invade and occupy iran to keep them docile?

Personally I think you war guys should attack. I figure it will cost the US another 4-5 trillion - which just brings the collapse of the empire that much closer.

So go for it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Bill8

The real question is, how much is america prepared to spend, as a country, to stop iran from getting a nuke.

We can launch penetrator attacks on their facilities - that would cost us, say, a few billion. Might work, might not - lets say it does work.

Does iran then start a campaign of blocking hormuz shipping? Probably. Do we then start a general campaign to try to stop this - and how much does all that cost? and how long is the price of oil kept at significantly higher levels? A year? Two? Four?

Do all the shia then go crazy? Maybe they will, but, except for iraq, the shia dont control that much oil - so, if we are willing to pay higher prices for oil, do we really care of the shia are killing every american they can get their hands on? I dont care, personally - you have to be an idiot to be an american in shia territory.

Are we prepared to invade and occupy iran to keep them docile?

Personally I think you war guys should attack. I figure it will cost the US another 4-5 trillion - which just brings the collapse of the empire that much closer.

So go for it.

I have no idea how much we are willing to spend or how far we are willing to go, but I think one of the main goals of our country is to try to play the long game, wait out the old leadership and hope the youth of Iran is more reasonable.

60% of Iran's population is under 30 years old. Many of these people are much less radical religiously than their elders. The hope is that over the next 10-15 years as this huge group comes to power they will make Iran a more open society that is willing to be reasonable in dealing with WMDs and nuclear power.

[lakerslive]

no you idiots, because iranian president stated that he will wipe off Israel off the face of the planet. JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.

If some crazy guy said that to your kid, what would you do? would you let him buy the tools he needs to do harm to your kid?

Go ahead, come up with some smart ass bs answer. One of u will.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Nuke = Respect

If Iran gets a nuke the US can no longer pick on them.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by kane

I have no idea how much we are willing to spend or how far we are willing to go, but I think one of the main goals of our country is to try to play the long game, wait out the old leadership and hope the youth of Iran is more reasonable.

What exactly is unreasonable about them wanting to stand up for and defend themselves against foreign aggressors who threaten them daily?

By "reasonable" you basically mean they should agree to whatever the US wants. That has certainly been the position of the US Government for the past 70 years. Do as we say, or die.

60% of Iran's population is under 30 years old. Many of these people are much less radical religiously than their elders. The hope is that over the next 10-15 years as this huge group comes to power they will make Iran a more open society that is willing to be reasonable in dealing with WMDs and nuclear power.

You think anyone in the Government gives a shit how religious people are there? It's about acquiescing to US domination. If those people under 30 years old don't accept who their Master is, we'd spin a bunch of lies about them too to engineer an attack. Or just overthrow them.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

no you idiots, because iranian president stated that he will wipe off Israel off the face of the planet. JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.

No he didn't. Thanks for playing though.

[wehateporn]

Didn't it eventually turn out that Iran masterminded 9/11?

U.S. District Court Rules Iran Behind 9/11 Attacks
http://www.bloomberg.com/article/201...OcZ6NT3wo.html

[kane]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

What exactly is unreasonable about them wanting to stand up for and defend themselves against foreign aggressors who threaten them daily?

By "reasonable" you basically mean they should agree to whatever the US wants. That has certainly been the position of the US Government for the past 70 years. Do as we say, or die.

By reasonable I mean that their leader doesn't call for the destruction of entire races of people.

Many of their leaders now are radical Islamist. If that is what they want to believe and how they want to live their lives, I don't really give a shit. I do have issues with them forcing their will on others, but that is another thread all together. What I do have a problem with is putting a nuke into the hands of someone who might believe that if they light that bomb off in the middle of Tel Aviv they will go to heaven and spend eternity fucking 72 virgins.

You think anyone in the Government gives a shit how religious people are there? It's about acquiescing to US domination. If those people under 30 years old don't accept who their Master is, we'd spin a bunch of lies about them too to engineer an attack. Or just overthrow them.

The hope is that these young people will not be as radical so when you try to reason with them and talk about some give and take from both sides they won't refuse anything that isn't exactly what they want.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by kane

I have no idea how much we are willing to spend or how far we are willing to go, but I think one of the main goals of our country is to try to play the long game, wait out the old leadership and hope the youth of Iran is more reasonable.

60% of Iran's population is under 30 years old. Many of these people are much less radical religiously than their elders. The hope is that over the next 10-15 years as this huge group comes to power they will make Iran a more open society that is willing to be reasonable in dealing with WMDs and nuclear power.

Thats what I expected you thought - obstruction is cost effective, military action may not be cost effective for the nation; but it would make some people - those who benefit from a sharply increased price of oil - pretty happy.

Another military adventure could easily happen - but - it will cost us, and my estimate of another 4-5 trillion could be way too low.

What happens if the israelis act on their own - well - that's much more difficult to model out, and it depends on wether (and how much) we get drawn into defending israel.

Military action would make for some great television.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

no you idiots, because iranian president stated that he will wipe off Israel off the face of the planet. JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.

If some crazy guy said that to your kid, what would you do? would you let him buy the tools he needs to do harm to your kid?

Go ahead, come up with some smart ass bs answer. One of u will.

I'm not gonna give you a smart ass answer. But I will bring up some history of our own country.

In 1956 Nikita Khrushchev the leader of The Soviet Union told the U.S. "We will bury you"
And those guys actually COULD do it with thousands of nuclear bombs mounted up on long distance Intercontintal Ballistic Missiles.

But it never happened.

One other thing about history...
The ONLY country to ever use atomic weapons is the United States Of America.
And we didn't use them on a military force.

Nope. We dropped them right on two major cities in Japan and killed hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children.

I'm not looking to argue whether that was "right" or "wrong". I do think that history will not look on it very kindly in the long run.

But no other country or "mad man" has ever done it since.

What would we call a country that did that to another country in 2012? Terrorists?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Bill8

Thats what I expected you thought - obstruction is cost effective, military action may not be cost effective for the nation; but it would make some people - those who benefit from a sharply increased price of oil - pretty happy.

Another military adventure could easily happen - but - it will cost us, and my estimate of another 4-5 trillion could be way too low.

What happens if the israelis act on their own - well - that's much more difficult to model out, and it depends on wether (and how much) we get drawn into defending israel.

Military action would make for some great television.

Large scale military action would have to be a last resort. We are so broke we can't afford the war we are still fighting.

I think we are going to put time, some money, CIA assets and things like that into the country and see if we can help push change from the inside out.

However, if Iran suddenly gets a nuke and threatens to use it I think Israel will act and that could stir up a can of worms that won't be easy to close.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by kane

By reasonable I mean that their leader doesn't call for the destruction of entire races of people.

Yawn. Please stick to things that have actually happened instead of repeating the same old tired lies. All Ahmadinejad has talked about is removing/replacing the Israeli regime, and how the world would be a better place without Zionism.

Why is when we talk about "wiping out" Governments we don't like, we call it "regime change", and it's perfectly acceptable? But when Iran does it, it becomes a bunch of ridiculous garbage about 'wiping out a race'?

If you're not even going to post sanely and rationally it's not worth debating.

Many of their leaders now are radical Islamist. If that is what they want to believe and how they want to live their lives, I don't really give a shit. I do have issues with them forcing their will on others, but that is another thread all together.

Of course, American allies like Saudi Arabia are notorious for their democracy, moderation and fair treatment of their people.

What I do have a problem with is putting a nuke into the hands of someone who might believe that if they light that bomb off in the middle of Tel Aviv they will go to heaven and spend eternity fucking 72 virgins.

Two questions:

1. Do you think Iran has non-nuclear bombs?
2. If you do, why haven't they detonated one in Tel Aviv?

If the best you can do is invent ridiculous situations that will never happen (the Iranians don't even want nukes, though they should), then you really have no argument at all. And spare the '72 virgin' nonsense if you want to be taken even remotely seriously; it just makes you look a total dumbass to people who have a clue.

The hope is that these young people will not be as radical so when you try to reason with them and talk about some give and take from both sides they won't refuse anything that isn't exactly what they want.

Why should they agree to do something that's not in their interests? Would we? If Russia or China started telling us to behave in ways they like, do you think we should do it? Why don't we just mind our own fucking business?

.

[lakerslive]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

No he didn't. Thanks for playing though.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_9zcElqetqk

SHOVE IT DOWN HAIRY CUM FILLED ANUS YOU FUCKING UNRIGHTEOUS FAGGOT. muwahaha.. sighs.. i tried.