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ilnjscb · 10-08-2012, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

1) this industry is a shadow of what it was -> I 70% agree -> some companies with many bathrooms and income still exist, and will always exist. Just it is no more a joke for everyone to make money, bit is normal: no any business cheap and easy to start will keep this way for long, online as well as offline; everyone will jump on this "job" (including billion of chinese + billion indians) making it less profitable and increasing barrier to entry. Profitable will be left only what's hard to enter into, such as needs lots of $$ to startup.

2) cams will never fill the gap -> I 100% agree -> Cams it was a niche and will always be a niche. Only a 10% max of the guys in adult sites care to cams, it is a waste to send them all just to cams as 90% will not care to live shows even if these are free. Just this 10% of people who want interaction can't get "copied interaction", even in free shows the model talk with tippers and not to freebies, so this 10% business did not shrinked. What to do with rest of 90% who is happy with a copied dvdrip... I don't know, I may try to sell them dating partners, viagra and enlarge pills, gambling where legal, financial investments (some buy that in tube adverts, forex exchange etc.), guides how to hook girls or so.

3) paid dating sites will suffer soon -> I 110% agree -> in fact dating sites suffer a lot from some time not just in future. On side talk with some dating site reps they also believe in future everyone will find local date with simply free sites such as facebook, plentyoffish. Funny to hear from them. Also some pay dating sites as badoo they give most of the features for free, there is not strict trials, this is like myfreecams for cams. In fact dating sites monetize on its users by advertise to them other stuff (include cams again) or re-submit their profiles to yet other dating sites and so on, like tube sites bounce the users between them.

Bottom line for Paul Markham: a good cam girl is doing today same or more money she was doing in 2005, even she got a little older, while a photo and video content provider it is not, as it is difficult to find buyers who will buy lots, often and paying high enough to get back cost of production - unless you work for those few, too few, with many bathrooms.

Maybe you have a rough idea of the size of the cam industry vs the whole? Because I don't think it is 10% unless you are counting file lockers.

Paul Markham · 10-08-2012, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Agree - and confirm I seen lots xlovecam popunders lately, those red seems lj ones

A cam site must serve traffic to its cam girls/guys constantly, or they quit site. If you got a prerecorded content site, you can leave it with no traffic for a week it is ok, but in our case our "content" would quit us, leaving page empty. For such traffic we can't rely on affiliates only, must buy too. Even traffic it is all booked by other cam sites always, must but it in advance and prepay for like 1-2 months periods...

I understand the situation, I just don't like it. Because it comes from free recorded porn. A live cam "tube" site is something I've yet to see. Yet that's how the industry is today, all the bright know it all webmasters have reduced the core of porn, recorded porn, to a few paysite companies of a decent size, a ton of Ma & Pa operations who won't be here much longer and webcams feeding off free sites.

Sales of recorded porn will continue to shrink, Manwin will continue to buy up any cheap content left and all that will be left are Cams, dating will go free because the revenue from advertising for the non porn ones is growing. AND they don't want porn traffic.

Sad an industry I loved, made me happy and comfortable is falling apart before my eyes. The last chapter of my book will cover that, maybe it warrants an entire edition.

slapass · 10-08-2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I understand the situation, I just don't like it. Because it comes from free recorded porn. A live cam "tube" site is something I've yet to see. Yet that's how the industry is today, all the bright know it all webmasters have reduced the core of porn, recorded porn, to a few paysite companies of a decent size, a ton of Ma & Pa operations who won't be here much longer and webcams feeding off free sites.

Sales of recorded porn will continue to shrink, Manwin will continue to buy up any cheap content left and all that will be left are Cams, dating will go free because the revenue from advertising for the non porn ones is growing. AND they don't want porn traffic.

Sad an industry I loved, made me happy and comfortable is falling apart before my eyes. The last chapter of my book will cover that, maybe it warrants an entire edition.

Paul, it is natural progression. Easy money can't stay easy.

adultmobile · 10-08-2012, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Maybe you have a rough idea of the size of the cam industry vs the whole? Because I don't think it is 10% unless you are counting file lockers.

No I don't know. I said 10% but is a semi-random guess. Even if I knew the size of the cam industry, I sure don't know the size of the rest, so I can't compute. Adult sites revenue is super shady and tax evasion material, guys, how anyone can know except the owners, and would them ever tell anything? Even for the size of cam industry, despite I know lots of insider infos from other cam sites (rogue employees or friend with the ower being the sources), I am quite unsure - a few "whales" completely change those numbers, such as a $20,000 tip here and there.
Some intuitive calculation can be done also by number of models online - no one model will keep online unless making a minimum $$ per month, multiply this by the models and that's a "minimum" what cam business does. But what is earned in full as total who knows.

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Originally Posted by slapass

Paul, it is natural progression. Easy money can't stay easy.

Exactly, except in case of monopoly and oligopoly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly , where for some reason it became ridiculously difficult or impossible to compete with leader(s), and also no one (including law and governments) is going to change this.

When an oligopolist you can profit so easy as you wish since no one can force you to be cheaper or more efficient. Whoever had run an adult site in 1990's made so easy money because you was so few to do it, and was so difficult for average guys to find free porn.

Today, there's nothing as easy as find 2 people to fuck in front of a cam (everyone got a cam, unlike Paul Markham times, even in cellphones they got), as well as noting easier than upload such porn videos in tubes - and I mean amateur content, so legit, not stolen commercial content. Where it is the barriers to entry? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry .

For adult it is unlikely the antitrust it would act like for mainstream, such as with Microsoft (in Europe they got fined badly), let's have Manwin buy 90% of adult sites and companies (I don't think it is happening anytime, imho), I would be surprised the antiturst in any country would go "help" the other adult businesses in any way, in fact govt would be even fear the ridicule or scandal for even take in consideration porn antitust actions, or any time of action except generic censorship.

So we got a cams oligopoly already, with last one to enter being mfc, and for prerecorded content (which is offtopic here but Paul brings it up of course) we got a few ones withh many bathrooms in office. live and prerecorded oligarchs cooperate (see whitelabel and popunders of tubes lol) but do not own each other yet, they're not merging yet. I think reason includes they're both too big to buy one the another

In middle of that, the cam girls are so many and "making less" in average than time ago, but not the (oligarch) cam sites, these do very well believe me

Paul Markham · 10-08-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Paul, it is natural progression. Easy money can't stay easy.

True. Very glad I made enough in an area which was easy for me and hard for others.

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AllAboutCams · 10-08-2012, 10:44 AM

when was the last time a cam program closed down and stiffed affiliate's?

digitalfantasies · 10-08-2012, 10:50 AM

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when was the last time a cam program closed down and stiffed affiliate's?

myrealcamgirls? or what was the domain

"where the pleasure is all yours"

PornMD · 10-08-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

No new cam girls in mfc?

There are more new cam girls per month today than there was before, in all the cam sites! More models than pay members, no site misses models, these knock the door of cam sites to register every day. But more new girls quit after first month as they fail to do money as easy as hoped.

As an user, you do not see new girls in mfc, because there is no new girls in first page from years! But do you know there are other 20+ pages (which is 1000+ girls) if you only browse? No one cares to them

Drama of mfc girls (less on other sites) it is their placement = the camscore, much like google search results placement for webmasters, guys do not browse more than 2 pages of mfc as well as of google results. New girls start in page 5+ at camscore 1000, and most end up camscore 500 = page 10+ after first week, sitting lonely and poor forever.

Why they sit there alone? In the hope one day someone sends a big tip so their camscore go up, to the first page where every model does crazy money, just like winning a lottery. So thousands of models keep MFC open like a facebook, something "you have to keep open like skype, in background", in meantime being in other sites to get private at times, showing its video for free in mfc via splitcam, keeping mfc a traffic success... models self-pirate their own private chats of livejasmin, streamate etc. into mfc! In hope for tip to raise ranking into first page.

Note that girls will not sit with no tips in other sites than mfc as no other site got so big tips in first page (= not easy to copy mfc as new cam site). We adapted to mfc business model by launch tubecamgirl.com in 2011 and I have to say it works; girls show free and someone send tips... but if no tips the girls quit (as we got no win-lottery tips in first page, we are just one page all site!). Most new cam sites are freemium approach. But we and others would not do this, if mfc did not existed! But mfc exists. It is same as say "my business model would work if there was no tubes", but tubes exists, so? You adapt rather than be Paul Markhamish "it was better before" vent.

Streamate is the cam whitelabel for 90% of tubes, this should help

It may be true that in general the income per cam girl, average, it dropped, but this is mostly because there are more cam girls, esp. new cam girls who try and quit shortly after, so they made "no money", lowering the average money done. But quite "pro" models esp. those who do shifts in studios and put in many sites in splitcam with good organisation, tends to do ok money. Or few home models who are "pro" and got bf-whale.

But sites do same money: if a cam site had 100 girls doing 10 each in 2010 this is $1000; today got 1000 girls doing $1 each it is still $1000; in general if a cam site fails it got no any girl online, if there's girls online, these are doing money (except in mfc they sit for real free forever, I explained why), so any cam site with models online is doing ok, believe me

Ok here Paul on 2 out of the 3 statements, you are so wrong

So your 3 statements:

1) "While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.". This is correct. But why we the cam sites spend so much money on traffic? Because we make even more money = profit from such traffic... or simply we would have stopped to pay for such a traffic. So if I buy $1000 of free traffic, this converts to the cam site (of course after several months or even years, it is not immediate) into $2000+.

2) "If girls are making less, the businesses they work for are making less.". No really, the cam sites can add more cam girls and make same or more. Like a tube site cam add more (stolen) videos to make more money total. In 2008 the big cam sites had 400-500 cam girls online at same time at most, now 1000-1200. Let average income per cam girl be one third, we put 3 times more cam girls online = same money total. Not so easy to do money for every cam girl as it was before, same as for webmasters, or any business like doing t-shirts where in China and India they compete, not as easy as before.

3) "Traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is." No no no no. Always someone will get inspired to buy, even on surprise. If whoever will decide to spend money for anything, he will do in the site where he is, in that moment. And not elsewhere. So if you got the whole internet lurking on a free cam site (one of 3000 free users in a caa girl room), you are sure if any of those 3000 will ever decide to spend in cams, will do in this site and not elsewhere. As a bonus you let other sites fail, as they're empty. The main point (of cam business today) is to have most guys in your cam site rather than elsewhere. I see guys to buy first time after 1 year they lurk, nojoke! As somethng happens in their life, or they see a girl they fall in love finally - but they must be in your site in that moment, not elsewhere. There the freemium goes.

It is simply no more super easy to do money as cam girl as before. I remember my first cam sites in 2004 and 2005: for cam girls it was enough to sit there and beg for private in broken english, then in private do clone shows, and this was banking ok. Now the guys are no more so impressed by a naked girl in cam, they want her to be also funny or different, to be online when customer is online so to make a more real friendship and so on. So the clone dumb cam girl who are online rnadomly and don't care to appointments with "friends" can have very bad time today, as it is for the lazy noob affiliate who thinks will be rich by register few domains and put a whitelabel to it and nothing else.

I agree about where to get the traffic, simply we get from where it is. In the past most of our traffic came from pay site member areas, that was golden traffic but also a lot, there was member areas with 1000's of members, now it is hard to find one with 100's - and where it is the new paysites?

About the 300 in cam rooom with 5 guys tipping, this is 3000 with 2 guys tipping really (lol), but anyway shoud it be made clear that: 1) only myfreecams it is banking with tips seriously, all other cam sites still rely mostly on private even if mfc-ized biz model, and 2) the fact some cam site opened to free shows, does not mean this replaces the old way... in fact for example we got old "pay for even see nipple" site chatgf.com still there, unchanged, and added a tubecamgirl.com new site for tips. Streamray kept cams.com and added stripshow.com for freemium. So I agree xlovecam, livejasmin should be kept as is, unchanged, just could add a freemium site with other name, independently, examples are many and I think it is the way to go. In fact to mfc-ize an old style site it can result in a total fail mix, as self-cannibalizing the clothed girl business (including old style cam girls complaining the next thumbnail is a free dildo drilling show), still not being a success with freemium (big tip elevates ego only in mfc first page...), so that's a cam-site suicide finally, to create a smaller-mfc who also don't get privates...

To sum on the topic "Are cam girls making less these days?", then my answer it is:

In average, yes, because there are more cam girls and trend it is more and more girls try go to in cams, even if most will give up after a short try as too hard for them to do money they hoped (especially westerns).

Case by case: there was never cam girls doing as much as $50,000 a month as some top mfc cam girls are doing now - but they are few dozens in the world only, it is the same to say it is easier to do money in internet today than before, because Zuckerberg made money with facebook. How many zuckenberg here, does it counts as example for average joe - or top mfc girl count for average cam-jane?
At the same time, there was never cam girls doing as low as $100 per month for 8 hours a day shift as some do now (new ones who try then quit). Because more competition, more skills needed and so on - it is not an easy or sure job. A random lazy cam girl who is online at random times from home while watching TV and feeding her dog is not likely banking in cams anytime soon

Nice wall-o-text.

xNetworx · 10-08-2012, 10:58 AM

Which of the experts in this thread actually have access to any cam model's stats?

If you don't, your speculation is the same as a cam customer/surfer.

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

Why pay when the girls violate the rules anyways. You are not suppose to get naked in the free arena. You do that in private . You build them up ... Then they get jealous cause an alpha male comes in free chat and you shift gears and talk to the other guy. Then me jealous wants you all to himself ... Then you get the chime that they want private. Bam now your making money. They give too much in free chat and the guys problem get off then log off . It's a free show . On any given night you can watch for free and then it screws it up for the girls that can make money in private. I'm surprised they don't get banned for going against their performer agreement . Just my observation.

Were you a camgirl in the past? You seem to be lost in 2006, most of the cam sites now allow their models to get naked in public, they aren't violating any of the rules. With the emergence of sites like Myfreecams in the last 4 years, the tipping model gained momentum and now has most of the big cam sites slowly integrating it into their platform.

Why would a girl limit herself to one guy paying for a private when she can have 100's in her room with dozens of them tipping her as she gets nude? The top models realize they can make far more on a tipping platform vs the pay per private. Each camgirl is out for herself, there is no "screwing it up" for the other girls.

xNetworx · 10-08-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Were you a camgirl in the past? You seem to be lost in 2006, most of the cam sites now allow their models to get naked in public, they aren't violating any of the rules. With the emergence of sites like Myfreecams in the last 4 years, the tipping model gained momentum and now has most of the big cam sites slowly integrating it into their platform.

Why would a girl limit herself to one guy paying for a private when she can have 100's in her room with dozens of them tipping her as she gets nude? The top models realize they can make far more on a tipping platform vs the pay per private. Each camgirl is out for herself, there is no "screwing it up" for the other girls.

Your sig is too funny. That guy probably couldn't even figure out how to join a cam site and buy a show.

digitalfantasies · 10-08-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Were you a camgirl in the past? You seem to be lost in 2006, most of the cam sites now allow their models to get naked in public, they aren't violating any of the rules. With the emergence of sites like Myfreecams in the last 4 years, the tipping model gained momentum and now has most of the big cam sites slowly integrating it into their platform.

Why would a girl limit herself to one guy paying for a private when she can have 100's in her room with dozens of them tipping her as she gets nude? The top models realize they can make far more on a tipping platform vs the pay per private. Each camgirl is out for herself, there is no "screwing it up" for the other girls.

that is partly true... but from the viewers point... why would a viewer go in to a room with a girl that is dressed.. while he can see a naked chick getting throat fucked for free... the most popular free rooms are the rooms with the most free sex action going on IMO... so girls are almost "forced" to do the free nude thing if they want to make decent money on free cam sites...

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:09 PM

I was a have the perfermors agreement right in front of my fuckin face and you guys can go to performer agreement and check it out. I was a cam girl for mfc and live jasmine just last year

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:16 PM

Streammate , livejasmine, mfc all have agreements the girls sign send id and go through a process to be on cam through the site. It's actually a few days before a model gets approved on some sites. They put the rules in effect so that they can make money and protect minors in te free forum arena. You can however tease and stuff in undies and stuff but no dildos and toys are suppose to be in free.

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:23 PM

Yea from a traffic perspective being nude in free makes sense to whoever makes the most on traffic but the model doesn't make shit on traffic until they throw coin on mfc or go in private . Private is where the bank is for the model . Some guys stay in there talking for an hr

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Were you a camgirl in the past? You seem to be lost in 2006, most of the cam sites now allow their models to get naked in public, they aren't violating any of the rules. With the emergence of sites like Myfreecams in the last 4 years, the tipping model gained momentum and now has most of the big cam sites slowly integrating it into their platform.

Why would a girl limit herself to one guy paying for a private when she can have 100's in her room with dozens of them tipping her as she gets nude? The top models realize they can make far more on a tipping platform vs the pay per private. Each camgirl is out for herself, there is no "screwing it up" for the other girls.

Do you go on cam? Have you been a cam performer?

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

that is partly true... but from the viewers point... why would a viewer go in to a room with a girl that is dressed.. while he can see a naked chick getting throat fucked for free... the most popular free rooms are the rooms with the most free sex action going on IMO... so girls are almost "forced" to do the free nude thing if they want to make decent money on free cam sites...

I do believe stream mate has different rules but I have to look at the agreement as I never was employed by them ... But I do have the performer agreement

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

Yea from a traffic perspective being nude in free makes sense to whoever makes the most on traffic but the model doesn't make shit on traffic until they throw coin on mfc or go in private . Private is where the bank is for the model . Some guys stay in there talking for an hr

If private is where the money is, why do many of the top camgirls end up on MFC?

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

Streammate , livejasmine, mfc all have agreements the girls sign send id and go through a process to be on cam through the site. It's actually a few days before a model gets approved on some sites. They put the rules in effect so that they can make money and protect minors in te free forum arena. You can however tease and stuff in undies and stuff but no dildos and toys are suppose to be in free.

Yeah, we understand the application process, so you're saying that MFC specifically states in their camgirl agreement that the girls can't get nude in free public chat? LMAO

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

that is partly true... but from the viewers point... why would a viewer go in to a room with a girl that is dressed.. while he can see a naked chick getting throat fucked for free... the most popular free rooms are the rooms with the most free sex action going on IMO... so girls are almost "forced" to do the free nude thing if they want to make decent money on free cam sites...

Um, so what part of what I said wasn't true? Most of the big cam sites don't allow guy/girl unless you're talking about voyeur amateur sites like CB and Cam4. If a girl doesn't want to do free public nudity she can simply go work on a site that only has a pay per private platform. If she's going to work on MFC or do gold shows on streamate then she better be willing to take it off in free chat if she wants to survive.

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:43 PM

I left Mfc cause the Asian chicks get raunchy in free chat and get the traffic ... Ok think like this... If your cruising through the Internet ... Your horny... You see cams open and your voyeuristic .... You watch n jerk off ... Your broke and just watch for free and you get off. It's like going to a stripclub ... Sitting by the stage next to a guy with big bucks and watching what he pays for .. For free. Mfc has way too much free but may have traffic but the original question was ... Are Cam models making less. Independent girls that have built up clientele make good bank because they don't have to split it and only get a percentage. They go on levels ... Amateur popular and legend . When you reach legend status you make the most. You have to be in private to get there tho

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Yeah, we understand the application process, so you're saying that MFC specifically states in their camgirl agreement that the girls can't get nude in free public chat? LMAO

It specifically states that

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Um, so what part of what I said wasn't true? Most of the big cam sites don't allow guy/girl unless you're talking about voyeur amateur sites like CB and Cam4. If a girl doesn't want to do free public nudity she can simply go work on a site that only has a pay per private platform. If she's going to work on MFC or do gold shows on streamate then she better be willing to take it off in free chat if she wants to survive.

The rule was set in place to protect minors on the Internet

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

I left Mfc cause the Asian chicks get raunchy in free chat and get the traffic ... Ok think like this... If your cruising through the Internet ... Your horny... You see cams open and your voyeuristic .... You watch n jerk off ... Your broke and just watch for free and you get off. It's like going to a stripclub ... Sitting by the stage next to a guy with big bucks and watching what he pays for .. For free. Mfc has way too much free but may have traffic but the original question was ... Are Cam models making less. Independent girls that have built up clientele make good bank because they don't have to split it and only get a percentage. They go on levels ... Amateur popular and legend . When you reach legend status you make the most. You have to be in private to get there tho

That broke freeloader jerking off isn't going to buy a private show either, so as a consumer he's a non factor despite whatever type of cam site he pops on. Sounds like you are a bit out of touch with what's going on in cams. I've been promoting cams solely the last 15 years and I know exactly what is transpiring within the landscape. MFC did away with their asian girl section last year. You are lucky to find 2 asian girls within the top 100 live right now on mfc. I'm looking at the latest camgirl agreement with MFC, can you show me where it says that models are not allowed to go nude in public?

digitalfantasies · 10-08-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Um, so what part of what I said wasn't true? Most of the big cam sites don't allow guy/girl unless you're talking about voyeur amateur sites like CB and Cam4. If a girl doesn't want to do free public nudity she can simply go work on a site that only has a pay per private platform. If she's going to work on MFC or do gold shows on streamate then she better be willing to take it off in free chat if she wants to survive.

yes, we basically say the same...but I referred to what the consequences are when camgirls go wild in free... others will have to follow whether they like it or not...

it's like what nightclubs do (or did) in for example Ibiza.. when 1 clubs decides to lure customers with free shots... soon all the clubs offer free shots because they see that it works, and in the end all clubs are offering free shots... and nobody wins... except for the customer who gets free shots in every club...

if 1 camgirl gives it all away for free...and takes it one step further than the rest... she will be popular among viewers and wins... but only for a very short time... because others will follow and do the same...and only the viewers are the real winners in the end...

but that is just how it goes.. the market will always find it's own point of stability

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 12:55 PM

I'm talking about livejasmine ... Mfc I left last year due to the Asians

adultmobile · 10-08-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

that is partly true... but from the viewers point... why would a viewer go in to a room with a girl that is dressed.. while he can see a naked chick getting throat fucked for free... the most popular free rooms are the rooms with the most free sex action going on IMO... so girls are almost "forced" to do the free nude thing if they want to make decent money on free cam sites...

There are guys who sit in rooms of dressed girls and tip them just as friends or so. Other day in MFC seen a $20,000 (dollars, not tokens) tip to a model I know, to pay her studies or so, this is quite retard as $10,000 gone to mfc, but well. I even seen guys who tip a girl to wear clothes if they are naked, to impress her how they're good boys or so. So a girl is clothed, a guy tip $20 to see her naked, and another tip her $50 to stay clothed.

The money is not in naked, it is in clothed, including clothed in private. That's the ultimate money waster of whales. However, the naked it is required to have guys all sit in your cam site rather than in other ones. So you attract and stick the masses of people with free shows, and then a few whales will waste all their money in clothed private chats talking about own life problems or dreams, and ultimately gifting to the girl for real or mostly fake excuses such as "I have to pay study" or "I am sick need expensive medicine" and so on. Often those cash goes to the bf the girl lives with really.

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

yes, we basically say the same...but I referred to what the consequences are when camgirls go wild in free... others will have to follow whether they like it or not...

it's like what nightclubs do (or did) in for example Ibiza.. when 1 clubs decides to lure customers with free shots... soon all the clubs offer free shots because they see that it works, and in the end all clubs are offering free shots... and nobody wins... except for the customer who gets free shots in every club...

if 1 camgirl gives it all away for free...and takes it one step further than the rest... she will be popular among viewers and wins... but only for a very short time... because others will follow and do the same...and only the viewers are the real winners in the end...

but that is just how it goes.. the market will always find it's own point of stability

You are right

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

yes, we basically say the same...but I referred to what the consequences are when camgirls go wild in free... others will have to follow whether they like it or not...

it's like what nightclubs do (or did) in for example Ibiza.. when 1 clubs decides to lure customers with free shots... soon all the clubs offer free shots because they see that it works, and in the end all clubs are offering free shots... and nobody wins... except for the customer who gets free shots in every club...

if 1 camgirl gives it all away for free...and takes it one step further than the rest... she will be popular among viewers and wins... but only for a very short time... because others will follow and do the same...and only the viewers are the real winners in the end...

but that is just how it goes.. the market will always find it's own point of stability

My point was that your scenario is not true. There is no "girl going wild in free", the site is either a free public nudity tipping platform or a nonnude pay per private. If a girl goes to work on MFC and has done even the slightest bit of homework, she'll know that she's going to have to get nude in public to survive on there. If a girl gets on MFC and didn't realize it had free public nude camgirls, then she can simply move to a site that is the traditional pay per view model and isn't forced to follow.

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

I'm talking about livejasmine ... Mfc I left last year due to the Asians

They hardly exist on MFC anymore, but you wouldn't make it on MFC anyway if you aren't willing to show in public, hell we can't even get you to show your tits on gfy.

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

The rule was set in place to protect minors on the Internet

100% false, if that were the case they'd be enforcing them, they have nothing to do with minors. The rules were put in place long ago on the traditional ppv cam sites to create more surfer curiosity and generate more privates.

digitalfantasies · 10-08-2012, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

My point was that your scenario is not true. There is no "girl going wild in free", the site is either a free public nudity tipping platform or a nonnude pay per private.

Why would a girl limit herself to one guy paying for a private when she can have 100's in her room with dozens of them tipping her as she gets nude? The top models realize they can make far more on a tipping platform vs the pay per private. Each camgirl is out for herself, there is no "screwing it up" for the other girls.

you were referring to free nudity tipping sites where girls go wild for tips

and on those sites the girls that go wild...take it one step further... are probably very popular... so other girls will (have to) follow in order to survive

anyway... not important...

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

They hardly exist on MFC anymore, but you wouldn't make it on MFC anyway if you aren't willing to show in public, hell we can't even get you to show your tits on gfy.

And never will lol because livejasmine paid well and if I wanted to show I would return to them because they pay on time and treated my questions with quick turn around time

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

And never will lol because livejasmine paid well and if I wanted to show I would return to them because they pay on time and treated my questions with quick turn around time

If LJ paid so well, why did you become hosting sales rep?

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:37 PM

nothing worse then when someone has never worn your shoes and thinks they know what it's like to sit behind the cam . Yea yea I agree to disagree

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:39 PM

Because I wanted to move out of that and use my brain not tits n ass

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:41 PM

I'm more then that and wanted to go to school n make a living to teach my kid it can be done

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

nothing worse then when someone has never worn your shoes and thinks they know what it's like to sit behind the cam . Yea yea I agree to disagree

I never claimed to know what its like to be a camgirl, you just seem to have many misconceptions about the cam biz and are out of touch with what's going on now.

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

I'm more then that and wanted to go to school n make a living to teach my kid it can be done

Good for you, I wish you all the success in the world.

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:55 PM

Thank you. I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just saying its my observation and opinion . The cam life is great but for some it can cause life problems and raising a kid while being trapped in your bedroom is never a smart motherhood move

Colo_bitch · 10-08-2012, 01:58 PM

Hosting can pay more than any cam girl could ever get. A wise woman would get on the other side of the camera

RyuLion · 10-08-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams

We have experienced sales drop in some sites like LiveJasmin, Cams.
I would say is their fault and because of their politics for the job.

Streamate have raised !!! - goldshows are a gr8 option so time is not wasted and too do fast money

MyFreeCams - Webcams - XloveCam Sales Steady

I believe the next good thing would be bongaCams !!!
See lots of the member are willing to Tip and the Models seem to have fun.

I dont believe so much that the economy affects.
Everytime I hear talk about recession I wonder why every year our Sales raise.
I believe anyways richer would get richer and poor would be alwasy stay same.

My opinion PIRIOD !!!

Hmmmmmm...

VIXEN ESCORTS · 10-08-2012, 07:56 PM

I watch a particular cam girl regularly on MFC, she tries to hold out for as long as possible but if she's having a bad day and somebody tips a small amount near her going home time (she works fixed hours in a studio) she'll do a full show in the hope of stimulating the remainders to chip in. Maybe the camsites software needs to get more flexible ? Put the power back into the models hands, have a PVT option controlled by the model, at the push of a button she'll do a show and anybody who has not tipped in the last X number of minutes can't view. X being a number controlled by the model.

VIXEN ESCORTS · 10-08-2012, 07:58 PM

Oh and there are many girls on multiple sites, even using the same name, so girl goes private on site 1 but that's a freeview on site 2

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lazycash · 10-08-2012, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

Oh and there are many girls on multiple sites, even using the same name, so girl goes private on site 1 but that's a freeview on site 2

There's girls that really know how to work multiple sites simultaneous. They'lll do a private on streamate and broadcast it in public free on MFC and rake in the tips. Also, the smart ones will get their own site and put the url on their MFC broadcast since this is permitted and send nice targeted traffic to their site.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-08-2012, 10:33 PM

RKLover · 10-09-2012, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colo_bitch

I left Mfc cause the Asian chicks get raunchy in free chat and get the traffic ... Ok think like this... If your cruising through the Internet ... Your horny... You see cams open and your voyeuristic .... You watch n jerk off ... Your broke and just watch for free and you get off. It's like going to a stripclub ... Sitting by the stage next to a guy with big bucks and watching what he pays for .. For free. Mfc has way too much free but may have traffic but the original question was ... Are Cam models making less. Independent girls that have built up clientele make good bank because they don't have to split it and only get a percentage. They go on levels ... Amateur popular and legend . When you reach legend status you make the most. You have to be in private to get there tho

I agree with you on almost every point, except that the Asian girls messed up MFC. We've been seeing European and American girls do full nudity and fuck every hole with their toys for several years. It was a constant topic, causing a great deal of anger on the old AWE forum.

IMHO, the free shows and tube sites have had a debilitating effect on the industry. But the greatest challenge to Affiliates has come from the exponential growth of the internet.

When the recession kicked in back in 2008 to 2009, people started looking everywhere for alternate sources of income. Building websites was a viable alternative. I switched a lot of my effort toward recruiting Affiliates, primarily for AWE.

I know. What a colossal mistake that turned out to be, when they stripped our lifetime earnings away from us.

Anyway, the Internet exploded. If I recall correctly, we hit One Billion websites and One Trillion pages of content sometime late in 2010.

At the same time, a lot of girls jumped in front of the cam for the first time. These untrained rookies, without the benefit of studio training, just didn't have the same skills and perseverance.

Still, just as all the newcomers on the Affiliate side diluted our income, their presence diluted the earnings pool for Models.

That's my theory, and I would submit the statistics support it

Colo_bitch · 10-09-2012, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKLover

I agree with you on almost every point, except that the Asian girls messed up MFC. We've been seeing European and American girls do full nudity and fuck every hole with their toys for several years. It was a constant topic, causing a great deal of anger on the old AWE forum.

IMHO, the free shows and tube sites have had a debilitating effect on the industry. But the greatest challenge to Affiliates has come from the exponential growth of the internet.

When the recession kicked in back in 2008 to 2009, people started looking everywhere for alternate sources of income. Building websites was a viable alternative. I switched a lot of my effort toward recruiting Affiliates, primarily for AWE.

I know. What a colossal mistake that turned out to be, when they stripped our lifetime earnings away from us.

Anyway, the Internet exploded. If I recall correctly, we hit One Billion websites and One Trillion pages of content sometime late in 2010.

At the same time, a lot of girls jumped in front of the cam for the first time. These untrained rookies, without the benefit of studio training, just didn't have the same skills and perseverance.

Still, just as all the newcomers on the Affiliate side diluted our income, their presence diluted the earnings pool for Models.

That's my theory, and I would submit the statistics support it

Asians and chicks blowing up balloons drunk ... Guys sit and watch while some old fart that's addicted to the site tips. They get a free ride while willy wonks grandpa throws tips

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10-08-2012, 12:09 PM	#64
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	I was a have the perfermors agreement right in front of my fuckin face and you guys can go to performer agreement and check it out. I was a cam girl for mfc and live jasmine just last year

10-08-2012, 12:16 PM	#65
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	Streammate , livejasmine, mfc all have agreements the girls sign send id and go through a process to be on cam through the site. It's actually a few days before a model gets approved on some sites. They put the rules in effect so that they can make money and protect minors in te free forum arena. You can however tease and stuff in undies and stuff but no dildos and toys are suppose to be in free.

10-08-2012, 12:23 PM	#66
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	Yea from a traffic perspective being nude in free makes sense to whoever makes the most on traffic but the model doesn't make shit on traffic until they throw coin on mfc or go in private . Private is where the bank is for the model . Some guys stay in there talking for an hr

10-08-2012, 12:43 PM	#72
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	I left Mfc cause the Asian chicks get raunchy in free chat and get the traffic ... Ok think like this... If your cruising through the Internet ... Your horny... You see cams open and your voyeuristic .... You watch n jerk off ... Your broke and just watch for free and you get off. It's like going to a stripclub ... Sitting by the stage next to a guy with big bucks and watching what he pays for .. For free. Mfc has way too much free but may have traffic but the original question was ... Are Cam models making less. Independent girls that have built up clientele make good bank because they don't have to split it and only get a percentage. They go on levels ... Amateur popular and legend . When you reach legend status you make the most. You have to be in private to get there tho

10-08-2012, 12:55 PM	#77
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	I'm talking about livejasmine ... Mfc I left last year due to the Asians

10-08-2012, 01:37 PM	#86
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	nothing worse then when someone has never worn your shoes and thinks they know what it's like to sit behind the cam . Yea yea I agree to disagree

10-08-2012, 01:39 PM	#87
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	Because I wanted to move out of that and use my brain not tits n ass

10-08-2012, 01:41 PM	#88
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	I'm more then that and wanted to go to school n make a living to teach my kid it can be done

10-08-2012, 01:55 PM	#91
Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	Thank you. I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just saying its my observation and opinion . The cam life is great but for some it can cause life problems and raising a kid while being trapped in your bedroom is never a smart motherhood move

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Colo_bitch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 309	Hosting can pay more than any cam girl could ever get. A wise woman would get on the other side of the camera

10-08-2012, 07:56 PM	#94
VIXEN ESCORTS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,103	I watch a particular cam girl regularly on MFC, she tries to hold out for as long as possible but if she's having a bad day and somebody tips a small amount near her going home time (she works fixed hours in a studio) she'll do a full show in the hope of stimulating the remainders to chip in. Maybe the camsites software needs to get more flexible ? Put the power back into the models hands, have a PVT option controlled by the model, at the push of a button she'll do a show and anybody who has not tipped in the last X number of minutes can't view. X being a number controlled by the model.

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VIXEN ESCORTS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,103	Oh and there are many girls on multiple sites, even using the same name, so girl goes private on site 1 but that's a freeview on site 2