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Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 01:12 AM

From Governor Romney: A Better Way
It doesn?t have to be this way: this tough spot reflects economic errors and policy choices.

.Economic policy must change course. And the American people have a choice. A policy agenda focused on job creation, rising incomes, and broadly shared prosperity is a choice we can make.That choice is Governor Romney?s economic plan for America.Governor Romney?s economic plan will completely change the direction of economic policy. It will emphasize the long-term changes that will increase GDP and job creation, both going forward and now. It will put growth and recovery first.The Romney plan has three overarching objectives: to restore confidence in America?s economic future, to make America once again a place to invest and grow, and to provide opportunities for Americans to compete and succeed. These objectives are all about unlocking the potential for innovation, investment, and initiative in America?s dynamic economy.The Romney plan will achieve these objectives with four main economic pillars:
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Stop Runaway Federal Spending And Debt.

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Reduce federal spending as a share of GDP to 20 percent ? its pre-crisis average ? by 2016.

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In so doing, reduce policy uncertainty over the need for future tax increases.

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Reform The Nation?s Tax Code To Increase Growth And Job Creation.

Does this mean lower taxes for the 1% or 99%. Very very vague.

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Reduce individual marginal income tax rates across-the-board by 20 percent, while keeping current low tax rates on dividends and capital gains. Reduce the corporate income tax rate ? the highest in the world ? to 25 percent.

How will he pay for the people who rely on the Government as their employer, customer and those who rely on the aforementioned to come and spend money in their businesses?

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Broaden the tax base to ensure that tax reform is revenue-neutral.

Raise or lower taxes?

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Reform Entitlement Programs To Ensure Their Viability.

This is going to be tough, as he's going to throw a lot of people out of work.

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Gradually reduce growth in Social Security and Medicare benefits for more affluent seniors. Give more choice in Medicare to improve value in health care spending.

The senior 1% won't be checking into a Public run hospital.

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Block grant the Medicaid program to states, enabling experimentation to better fit local situations.

Good idea, Health Care should be run at a local level. So voters can know who is responsible. Will suck if you're poor in a very Republican and affluent area.

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Remove regulatory impediments to energy production and innovation that raise costs to consumers and limit job creation.

Get rid of those pests making sure oil rigs don't spill into the Gulf or pollute food, land, etc.

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Repeal and replace the Dodd-Frank Act and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The Romney alternatives will emphasize better financial regulation and market-oriented, patient-centered health care reform.

If you're poor and get sick you might be fucked.

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History and economic theory suggest the benefits that can be achieved with the Romney economic plan.

No History shows that by raising taxes and not spending trillions going to War, you can balance the books.

This is a simple question you need to ask yourselves.

With record unemployment and Debt, why are the 1% getting richer and the 99% getting poorer?

And if you think a !5 President is going to make himself poorer, you need to really rethink your plan.

Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

What shocks me is how many people are suddenly "pro-govt." and have no problem with them spending 10.6 BILLION dollars a DAY.

It blows my mind. I grew up when liberals were anti-govt.

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Definitely Sarah Palin. Don't get me wrong...she is a smokin' hot looking milf. But she is also a religious nut job.

Of course if he had picked Romney...it wouldn't have been much better. McCain/Lieberman I could have voted for.

I hate big govt. and paying all these taxes. They are taking damn near 40% of everything I make. It's fucking criminal. And the American people don't see it because years ago they instituted an ingenious thing called "payroll tax"

So 99.9% of the people never have to write a check to the govt. They never see it, so it doesn't exist. Their taxes are taken before they get their paycheck.

If they actually had to pay quarterly taxes like I do....there would be fucking revolution.

Which reminds me...I STILL haven't paid my 3rd quarter federal taxes. That will be a nice $19,000 check. I could sure think of a lot better things to do with MY money. But I guess I should at least be thankful that I got a "tax break" the last few years. What a joke.

Is there anyway to have a candidate who is fiscally conservative and socially liberal? Someone who won't steal my money and at the same time will stay out of my life?

No...

So 13% income tax, how do you pay the other 27%?

If all Americans paid that amount the deficit would be smaller.

Do you think under Johnson you will pay less tax?

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THE U.S. TAX SYSTEM IMPOSES AN ENORMOUS toll on productivity through high marginal rates, absurd complexity, loopholes for the well-connected, and incentives for wasteful decisions. A better, fairer system will be:

Abolish the Internal Revenue Service.

Enact the Fair Tax to tax expenditures, rather than income, with a 'prebate' to make spending on basic necessities tax free.

With the Fair Tax, eliminate business taxes, withholding and other levies that penalize productivity, while creating millions of jobs.

So do away with Income tax and have a straight Sales Tax. That will mean id you go out and buy a $50,000 car today. After the added sales tax it will cost $70,000. In fact everything you buy other than basic food will get a 40% tax added to it.

You do pay 40% so it will be hard to dodge this.

Of course the Government still takes 40% and you can't claim for diddly squat off you business expenses. Other than real expenditure for the business. No "Charitable Donations, Cayman Banking, etc loop holes. The poor will vote this guy in tomorrow.

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[COLOR="rgb(0, 255, 255)"]MUCH FEDERAL INTERVENTION IS A PAYOUT TO special interests or counterproductive meddling that stifles competition, innovation, and growth.[/COLOR]

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Reject auto and banking bailouts, state bailouts, corporate welfare, cap-and-trade, card check, and the mountain of regulation that protects special interests rather than benefiting consumers or the economy.

Restrict Federal Reserve policy to maintaining price stability, not bailing out financial firms or propping up the housing sector.

Eliminate government support of Fannie and Freddie.

Reduce or eliminate federal involvement in education; let states expand successful reforms such as vouchers and charter schools.

Legalize, tax, and regulate marijuana, rather than wasting money on an expensive and futile prohibition.

Eliminate needless barriers to free trade and make it easier for would-be legal immigrants to apply for work visas.

Sack car workers and go into the next Great Depression. Because the reason for the Banks failing was the mole hill of regulations. They didn't have enough Government regulators, same with Bernie Madoff who got away with his ponzi scheme because of the lack of regulations.

Yes agree with the Fannie and Freddie part. Making it easier to get a mortgage does nothing but inflate house prices to beyond their true value.

Yes education should be regulated at a local level.

Legalising marijuana is a vote loser. will never happen.

Eliminate trade barriers. where in China? Or just make it easier for imports to come into the US?

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GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SIMPLY WON'T WORK. Competition and Price Transparency WILL work.

Fewer government mandates and less regulation will allow innovation and competition to make health care more affordable and more accessible to all Americans.

Removing arbitrary obstacles to interstate competition among health insurance providers will reduce costs.

Now I see why he wants Pot legalised, it will bring down his spending on the stuff.

GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SIMPLY DOES WORK. It's proven to work in so many places in the World I wonder where he got the idea it doesn't.

What doesn't work and never will, is shaping it so it's doomed to fail.

tony286 · 11-05-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

From Governor Romney: A Better Way
It doesn?t have to be this way: this tough spot reflects economic errors and policy choices.

.Economic policy must change course. And the American people have a choice. A policy agenda focused on job creation, rising incomes, and broadly shared prosperity is a choice we can make.That choice is Governor Romney?s economic plan for America.Governor Romney?s economic plan will completely change the direction of economic policy. It will emphasize the long-term changes that will increase GDP and job creation, both going forward and now. It will put growth and recovery first.The Romney plan has three overarching objectives: to restore confidence in America?s economic future, to make America once again a place to invest and grow, and to provide opportunities for Americans to compete and succeed. These objectives are all about unlocking the potential for innovation, investment, and initiative in America?s dynamic economy.The Romney plan will achieve these objectives with four main economic pillars:
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How?

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Does this mean lower taxes for the 1% or 99%. Very very vague.

How will he pay for the people who rely on the Government as their employer, customer and those who rely on the aforementioned to come and spend money in their businesses?

Raise or lower taxes?

This is going to be tough, as he's going to throw a lot of people out of work.

The senior 1% won't be checking into a Public run hospital.

Good idea, Health Care should be run at a local level. So voters can know who is responsible. Will suck if you're poor in a very Republican and affluent area.

Get rid of those pests making sure oil rigs don't spill into the Gulf or pollute food, land, etc.

If you're poor and get sick you might be fucked.

No History shows that by raising taxes and not spending trillions going to War, you can balance the books.

This is a simple question you need to ask yourselves.

With record unemployment and Debt, why are the 1% getting richer and the 99% getting poorer?

And if you think a !5 President is going to make himself poorer, you need to really rethink your plan.

good points Paul here is something interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ionaires-obama
US has added 1.1m new millionaires under Obama, says study

Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

good points Paul here is something interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ionaires-obama
US has added 1.1m new millionaires under Obama, says study

That's 1.1 less Obama voters.

When people get rich they seem to forget all the things that helped them to that point.

tony286 · 11-05-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

I'm not sure why you are sweating it, obama should win.. And since you make no money you won't have your taxes increased. Personally I don't want to pay anymore money then I already do.

It also would be nice to have a president who gives a shit about small businesses. California is full of them too, so watch the economy here take a nosedive when Obama is elected.

Mayne you haven't heard, but thousands of people aren't being booted for not paying on their home, Obama isn't allowing the foreclosures to happen that should.

Personally for me, it pisses me off that my neighbors get to live rent free while I have to pay each month.

He doesnt give a shit about small business owners.If you look at his record as GOV he wasnt small business friendly at all. Now if you are koch brother you are cool. Most of the regs small businesses deal with arent a fed level its a state level.

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 06:14 AM

regardless of what romney says he'll do, how he wants to 'help' america. quite honestly, someone who is as rich as he is, and still wants more power, its pretty scary.

Minte · 11-05-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

regardless of what romney says he'll do, how he wants to 'help' america. quite honestly, someone who is as rich as he is, and still wants more power, its pretty scary.

I doubt if it's about wanting more wealth. There are a lot of senators and congressmen that did very well in the private sector that retired from their businesses to try and affect what they conceive to be positive change on the country. Other wealthy people turn into philanthropists. What many don't realize is that once that goal of financial success is reached, what's next? Money is only a part of the equation.

BAKO · 11-05-2012, 06:38 AM

U guys barely know how to sell porn and now u guys talking about politics lol specialty that idiot Paul Markhem omfg

Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 07:01 AM

The Truth About Government Waste.

It isn't.

The US Government employed in 2010 4,443,000. That's 4,443,000 getting a paycheck and spending it in shops. Now as Minte knows and Robbie, it doesn't stop there. Each single employee requires something to do his job. Might be just a bucket and broom, of might be a space station orbiting the Earth, might be a 747 to ferry the President around, might be a uniform, gun, police station, training and equipment. Might be a hospital, uniform, training, drugs and equipment. All this costs money and the Government, unless they import it from china, buy it from US firms. Like Minte's, remember he got a Government contract?

None of the employees need nothing, they all need something and this creates millionaires. And all this money is spent in Supermarkets, DIY stores, Malls, homes, cars, computers, entertainment, etc.

Now who do you tell they no longer have a job?

Because you're not just telling him to tighten his belt, you're telling all the people who rely on him to use their products in his job and all the people where they spend their money to tighten their belts also.

And this is where all that borrowed money went. Well most of it. Some think it was wasted. Well tell that to people who work in Via Cupeno, Oceanside, United States. They might disagree with you. So will everyone else that is employed by the Government, or their families, or the people they spend their money with, or the people where they spend their money.

And Romney will tell you it is, because he doesn't give a flying fuck. About them or you, he will just cut taxes, borrow more and cream off the top. Because somewhere in the chain of Government spending are the 1% or even 0.5% who own the companies where all the wasted money ends up.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ter/?mobile=nc

http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25...ar-profiteers/

Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I doubt if it's about wanting more wealth. There are a lot of senators and congressmen that did very well in the private sector that retired from their businesses to try and affect what they conceive to be positive change on the country. Other wealthy people turn into philanthropists. What many don't realize is that once that goal of financial success is reached, what's next? Money is only a part of the equation.

With power comes money. If you're trying to tell us they want to help us all, go peddle it elsewhere. We're not buy bridges over the Hudson either.

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

regardless of what romney says he'll do, how he wants to 'help' america. quite honestly, someone who is as rich as he is, and still wants more power, its pretty scary.

If he wanted to help America. he can stop shipping jobs abroad.

BAKO · 11-05-2012, 07:59 AM

Go strong not army strong but Paul Markhem strong

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 08:07 AM

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Yes, that is a plan.

No, that is not a plan. A single sentence is not a plan, it's an idea. It's a statement. Saying "I am going to reduce the deficit" isn't an plan, it's an idea. It's a thought.

You told me to go to his website to see his plan and I walked away with four bullet points.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

I'm not sure why you are sweating it, obama should win..

I'm not sweating it at all really.

The funny thing is as I walked up to my office just now I thought to myself "I am not really pro Obama, but instead anti Romney".

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Originally Posted by KillerK

And since you make no money you won't have your taxes increased.

What in the world gives you that idea?

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I doubt if it's about wanting more wealth. There are a lot of senators and congressmen that did very well in the private sector that retired from their businesses to try and affect what they conceive to be positive change on the country. Other wealthy people turn into philanthropists. What many don't realize is that once that goal of financial success is reached, what's next? Money is only a part of the equation.

I am not saying its about money, like you said, he has the money. now he wants the power. he wants his own country to rule over like a king. the guy lives in a billion dollar dream world. i don't see how he could ever know what its like to be someone making 50k a year.

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 11:07 AM

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The funny thing is as I walked up to my office just now I thought to myself "I am not really pro Obama, but instead anti Romney".

I'm the same way...except I'm anti-Obama

I'm not really anti-Romney because I think he would do a better job.

But I'm definitely not pro-Romney either because of his dumbass stance on social issues and religious insanity.

I do however totally disagree with you on Romney's fiscal abilities. I do believe that his "bullet points" as you say it are his plan.

And I challenge you to show me that Obama had any kind of plan when he was elected in 2008 (or even now...lol)
He didn't.

He ran on "Hope & Change" , "Washington is broken & I'll fix it" , and "Yes, We Can!"

Nothing else.

HelmutKohl · 11-05-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

I am not saying its about money, like you said, he has the money. now he wants the power. he wants his own country to rule over like a king. the guy lives in a billion dollar dream world. i don't see how he could ever know what its like to be someone making 50k a year.

King Mitt Romney - 50K is a pocket change for me and Ann... who cares about 47% of you who make even less then 50K

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the guy lives in a billion dollar dream world.

He's nowhere near a billionaire! LOL

He's rich...but not a billionaire.

Matter of fact the U.S. federal govt. will spend all of Mitt Romneys entire net worth in 29 minutes today.

The federal govt. are the people living in a TRILLION dollar dream world.
The federal govt.
They spend 10.6 billion dollars a day!

It's outrageous and unsustainable.

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

He's nowhere near a billionaire! LOL

He's rich...but not a billionaire.

Matter of fact the U.S. federal govt. will spend all of Mitt Romneys entire net worth in 29 minutes today.

The federal govt. are the people living in a TRILLION dollar dream world.
The federal govt.
They spend 10.6 billion dollars a day!

It's outrageous and unsustainable.

and you think romney will change this because he says so? unfortunately or fortunately, romney won't get in but it would be interesting if he did, just to see what doesn't change or possibly gets even worse.

epitome · 11-05-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm the same way...except I'm anti-Obama

I'm not really anti-Romney because I think he would do a better job.

But I'm definitely not pro-Romney either because of his dumbass stance on social issues and religious insanity.

I do however totally disagree with you on Romney's fiscal abilities. I do believe that his "bullet points" as you say it are his plan.

And I challenge you to show me that Obama had any kind of plan when he was elected in 2008 (or even now...lol)
He didn't.

He ran on "Hope & Change" , "Washington is broken & I'll fix it" , and "Yes, We Can!"

Nothing else.

Please for the love of God teach yourself how to use Google today so you don't keep saying things that make you look ignorant.

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 11:27 AM

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Please for the love of God teach yourself how to use Google today so you don't keep saying things that make you look ignorant.

Instead of making smart ass comment...why don't you show me and educate me.

Show me Obama's detailed plan from the campaign of 2008. And show all of us that it is far more detailed than the current Romney plan.

Hell...show us the Obama pamphlet from this election (that he put out a couple of weeks ago) that every news organization has reported has no substance and just says "stay the course"

Or...you can just be hateful and insulting.

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

and you think romney will change this because he says so? unfortunately or fortunately, romney won't get in but it would be interesting if he did, just to see what doesn't change or possibly gets even worse.

No. I don't.

Like BOTH parties... he is a warmonger and will continue to keep the U.S. military trying to rule the world.

That costs money. Everytime we fire a missile it's another million dollars.

There's only one candidate who wants to bring the troops home and cut the military back down to a truly defensive force (we haven't been invaded since the war of 1812 lol)

And that is Gary Johnson. Whom I voted for.

Check out his stand on the issues: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Instead of making smart ass comment...why don't you show me and educate me.

Show me Obama's detailed plan from the campaign of 2008. And show all of us that it is far more detailed than the current Romney plan.

Hell...show us the Obama pamphlet from this election (that he put out a couple of weeks ago) that every news organization has reported has no substance and just says "stay the course"

Or...you can just be hateful and insulting.

he did release a 64 page pdf file in 2008 called blueprint for change. its not as detailed as one would hope but did outline his plan.

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No. I don't.

Like BOTH parties... he is a warmonger and will continue to keep the U.S. military trying to rule the world.

That costs money. Everytime we fire a missile it's another million dollars.

There's only one candidate who wants to bring the troops home and cut the military back down to a truly defensive force (we haven't been invaded since the war of 1812 lol)

And that is Gary Johnson. Whom I voted for.

Check out his stand on the issues: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues

i'd be voting for gary johnson if i was in the states too. its too bad he doesn't get any real mainstream coverage.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm the same way...except I'm anti-Obama

I'm not really anti-Romney because I think he would do a better job.

But I'm definitely not pro-Romney either because of his dumbass stance on social issues and religious insanity.

I do however totally disagree with you on Romney's fiscal abilities. I do believe that his "bullet points" as you say it are his plan.

And I challenge you to show me that Obama had any kind of plan when he was elected in 2008 (or even now...lol)
He didn't.

He ran on "Hope & Change" , "Washington is broken & I'll fix it" , and "Yes, We Can!"

Nothing else.

An idea is saying "We need to lower the deficit". A plan is how you are going to make that happen. Anyone can say "I am going to lower the deficit" but that is a statement - I want to know how it's going to be done. And making a general statement saying "I am gong to lower the deficit by reducing the people dependent on government handouts" is not a plan, it's still an idea. I want numbers, facts, figures, and a plan. My 12 year old kid can stand up and say "I am going to reduce the deficit" but that's not a plan.

I asked for a plan, was pointed to his website, and all I got was eight pages of crap and four bullet points. That is not a plan. It's bullet points.

And btw, yes, Obama said he was going to reduce the deficit. Easy to say, difficult to do - and nearly impossible during this kind of economic period.

The main reason I am against Romney is his track record. He is blasting Obama's simulus package because it had a 8% failure rate, while Romney had a 22% failure rate at Bain Captial. Romney's entire business experience is taking other people's investment money to buy companies and then having them borrow yet more money to expand while charging massive "management fees" and praying the company will make a profit.

Then we the fact that Romney is a business man and not in government - two totally different beasts. Romney was governor and did horrible. He left office with a 34% approval rating - who in the world thinks that leaving office as a disgrace with a 34% approval rating is a good presidential candidate? He moved his state to nearly last place in job creation. He claims he reduced the deficit while reducing taxes - He did reduce the deficit, but he didn't really lower taxes... He lowered taxes, but just raised the cost of everything else. It's like saying "I'm going to lower your income taxes" while adding five cents to each gallon for a new gas tax and doubling the cost to register your car for a year. Masschussettes has some of the best schools in the nation, but that wasn't something Romney did - That was a process was started long before Romney even considered running for governor. I see nothing but bad coming out of Romney.

The funny thing is I am not a huge fan of Obama and surely not a Democrat. I've already voted, I surely will not influence anyone's vote here on GFY, and I'm very confident Obama has already won. I'm just here because I like to debate.

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 12:18 PM

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The main reason I am against Romney is his track record. He is blasting Obama's simulus package because it had a 8% failure rate, while Romney had a 22% failure rate at Bain Captial.

I'd say that if you look at the economy...the stimulus (both Bush and Obama) was a failure.

You're comparing apples and oranges in my opinion.

Taking private sector companies through structured bankruptcy is one thing (what Bain did).

Taking a couple of TRILLION dollars of federal money and handing it out is another (what the feds did).
And taking the auto bailout and the bank bailout (which both were stated beforehand were NOT going to be allowed to fail no matter how much money it cost) and lumping that in with stupid shit like Solyndra (financing a company) is not even close to being a fair assessment.

Number one: I could care less what Romney's company did with THEIR money.
The federal govt. used OUR money to pick winners and losers.

Number two: The banks and auto industries were pre-declared as too big to fail. Meaning, they were 100% going to be a "success" no matter what the cost. An infinite amount of capital was there for them.

Number three: Going by "track record" is fine if that's the way you want to do it.
You should really be looking at what Obama has done in his 4 years as President. That's pretty much the only real track record this inexperienced guy had.
And his inexperience was one of the reasons I voted for him in 2008. I didn't want another guy bowing down to special interests. I guess that didn't work out for me.

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i'd be voting for gary johnson if i was in the states too. its too bad he doesn't get any real mainstream coverage.

Hopefully he will pull 5% of the vote and then we will have a viable third party candidate next time in the debates.

Robbie · 11-05-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

he did release a 64 page pdf file in 2008 called blueprint for change. its not as detailed as one would hope but did outline his plan.

And that is the kind of thing a candidate should be doing.

It's called a "Vision" for the country.
Whether you agree or disagree with that vision is a personal choice.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'd say that if you look at the economy...the stimulus (both Bush and Obama) was a failure.

You're comparing apples and oranges in my opinion.

Taking private sector companies through structured bankruptcy is one thing (what Bain did).

Taking a couple of TRILLION dollars of federal money and handing it out is another (what the feds did).
And taking the auto bailout and the bank bailout (which both were stated beforehand were NOT going to be allowed to fail no matter how much money it cost) and lumping that in with stupid shit like Solyndra (financing a company) is not even close to being a fair assessment.

Number one: I could care less what Romney's company did with THEIR money.
The federal govt. used OUR money to pick winners and losers.

Number two: The banks and auto industries were pre-declared as too big to fail. Meaning, they were 100% going to be a "success" no matter what the cost. An infinite amount of capital was there for them.

Number three: Going by "track record" is fine if that's the way you want to do it.
You should really be looking at what Obama has done in his 4 years as President. That's pretty much the only real track record this inexperienced guy had.
And his inexperience was one of the reasons I voted for him in 2008. I didn't want another guy bowing down to special interests. I guess that didn't work out for me.

When I think of the economy I take a look around and see how things have improved. I mentioned that threat where I posted about the economy and my hometown earlier, but things have improved - We no longer have vacant houses in our area, and new businesses have opened up in the ones that have closed down.

At the same time you mention how the stimulus money was a waste but yet I am still in my house because of the "Making home affordable program" and I also have a $340mil freeway bypass that helped our area make money when things were bad, employing construction workers who were building the condos when they shut down, etc.

Then you talk about how you don't care what Romney did with investors money, you care about how the federal govenment picked winners and loosers with "our money". Well, Romney and Bain Captial had a 22% failure rate. Our government invested money into our future and had a much better success rate.

Do you really want someone like this playing with our tax dollars?

Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, that is not a plan. A single sentence is not a plan, it's an idea. It's a statement. Saying "I am going to reduce the deficit" isn't an plan, it's an idea. It's a thought.

You told me to go to his website to see his plan and I walked away with four bullet points.

All they are interested in is lower taxes. This is the only part they're reading.

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Reduce individual marginal income tax rates across-the-board by 20 percent, while keeping current low tax rates on dividends and capital gains. Reduce the corporate income tax rate ? the highest in the world ? to 25 percent.

Romney can't do it without increasing unemployment through the roof or borrowing. Unlike Romney I put facts out not 1-2 line dreams.

Paul Markham · 11-05-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Hopefully he will pull 5% of the vote and then we will have a viable third party candidate next time in the debates.

You do understand under Johnson you would pay a lot more in taxes. Or maybe you don't. Or maybe you're a low earner and spender, so sticking to basics means you won't pay much tax at all.

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No. I don't.

Like BOTH parties... he is a warmonger and will continue to keep the U.S. military trying to rule the world.

That costs money. Everytime we fire a missile it's another million dollars.

There's only one candidate who wants to bring the troops home and cut the military back down to a truly defensive force (we haven't been invaded since the war of 1812 lol)

And every missile was made in the US and employed Americans. So what's your plan? What would you buy with the tax cut you're dreaming about?

Yes military spending is way too high. go look at the History of how Reagan ended the Arms race. then look at China flexing it's muscles. Would Russia come back to the forefront if the US stepped out of the arms race?

Obama is bringing the troops home and cutting military spending.

You're dead right, the US hasn't been invaded since ...................

No you're not. You're wrong on that as well.

11-05-2012, 06:14 AM	#206
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	regardless of what romney says he'll do, how he wants to 'help' america. quite honestly, someone who is as rich as he is, and still wants more power, its pretty scary. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

11-05-2012, 06:38 AM	#208
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11-05-2012, 07:01 AM	#209
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The Truth About Government Waste. It isn't. The US Government employed in 2010 4,443,000. That's 4,443,000 getting a paycheck and spending it in shops. Now as Minte knows and Robbie, it doesn't stop there. Each single employee requires something to do his job. Might be just a bucket and broom, of might be a space station orbiting the Earth, might be a 747 to ferry the President around, might be a uniform, gun, police station, training and equipment. Might be a hospital, uniform, training, drugs and equipment. All this costs money and the Government, unless they import it from china, buy it from US firms. Like Minte's, remember he got a Government contract? None of the employees need nothing, they all need something and this creates millionaires. And all this money is spent in Supermarkets, DIY stores, Malls, homes, cars, computers, entertainment, etc. Now who do you tell they no longer have a job? Because you're not just telling him to tighten his belt, you're telling all the people who rely on him to use their products in his job and all the people where they spend their money to tighten their belts also. And this is where all that borrowed money went. Well most of it. Some think it was wasted. Well tell that to people who work in Via Cupeno, Oceanside, United States. They might disagree with you. So will everyone else that is employed by the Government, or their families, or the people they spend their money with, or the people where they spend their money. And Romney will tell you it is, because he doesn't give a flying fuck. About them or you, he will just cut taxes, borrow more and cream off the top. Because somewhere in the chain of Government spending are the 1% or even 0.5% who own the companies where all the wasted money ends up. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ter/?mobile=nc http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25...ar-profiteers/ __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-05-2012, 07:59 AM	#211
BAKO Etology.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hollywood CA Posts: 18,386	Go strong not army strong but Paul Markhem strong __________________ http://DatingNetwork.com Telegram: @bakokaye