Originally Posted by DWB

Me neither. But I watch censored Japanese porn with no problem.

Originally Posted by DWB

That or just ignore it.

I find it hard to believe California of all places has the money to enforce this. The state is completely broke. At best maybe a couple of the large targets may get a visit or two, but the funds are not there to keep it going.

Originally Posted by Nathan

It is not so obvious that it passed! 56/44 is far from obvious! We moved this from a 70/30 poll too 56/44! Our campaign had results, we just did not do enough, more support for more tv ads would have pushed this over the edge. That's the thing that we learned from this...

We will see what happens next...

Originally Posted by DWB

What you are saying is, with all the experience from the FSC, your lawyers, other industry lawyers, James Lee, top industry professionals, and everyone else, that no one knew what could have pushed it over the edge to your favor until it was over and you lost?

Sounds like a well thought out plan and money well spent.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Despite some of the new webkiddies that are a community on their own and have no idea how to make real money. In my area of the world there are a small handful of the old school pornographers left and a couple of young ones that have learned from them.

If you want to make money you keep your head down, maintain polite but quite relations with the other pornographers and those that bring attention to themselves or the industry you avoid like a disease. Do not even acknowledge their existence or film the same girls that they use.

My advice is unless you are in Los Angeles. Ignore what is happening there and use this as an opportunity to grab market share. But if you are in Los Angeles, I wish you good luck.

Next time try things the old way,

Take a politician out to for a good time, introduce him to some of the girls and make sure he gets big gifts for all the holidays. It is cheaper and more efficient.

But like most of the new people in porn that entered this industry in the last 5 to 10 years on here, I sincerly doubt you will still be around for another 5 more years.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

If you want to make money you keep your head down, maintain polite but quite relations with the other pornographers and those that bring attention to themselves or the industry you avoid like a disease. Do not even acknowledge their existence or film the same girls that they use.

Originally Posted by marcop

Court challenges to this measure could potentially cost the county millions of dollars. And although the AHF claimed the cost of permits will mean the program will be self-financing, there will be up-front costs for the county to set up ways of administering it.

Is the county really going to spend money on this? It makes very little sense to me.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Fingers crossed! I'm sure a county full of Catholic Mexicans are going to rally behind pornographers at the last minute.

Originally Posted by mikesouth

from http://www.mikesouth.com

This ones a done deal
with 33% of precincts voting

B - SAFER SEX IN ADULT FILMS -
YES 513,580 60.45%
NO 336,001 39.55%

This is a win for Measure B

Originally Posted by The Ghost

eyeball bukakke ftw

Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue

Finally someone that gets it. Props to you. The absolute worst thing any industry can do is make themselves such a highly visible target. Before Diane Duke came on board with FSC, even the FSC knew that. Steve Hirsch hasn't helped, nor have all the other porners that have tried to force their way into "mainstream".

Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue

Finally someone that gets it. Props to you. The absolute worst thing any industry can do is make themselves such a highly visible target. Before Diane Duke came on board with FSC, even the FSC knew that. Steve Hirsch hasn't helped, nor have all the other porners that have tried to force their way into "mainstream".

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I got my start in the sex industry back in the 1960s hustling men off the street into a Belgium strip club. And for the last 40 years I have been quiet producing pornographer. I would not have been around so long if I did not « get it » .

This entire thing is going to eventually collapse and all the big tough macho new kids of the last 5 to 10 years will be gone. Then we will go back to making quiet contacts and porn. The web kids that screamed « adapt or die » are now starting to die. I have seen all of this happen before.

Make a sandwich and enjoy the spectacle.

Originally Posted by Jman

Why wasn't something posted on TMZ about this before the vote???

The Industry HAS contacts and had time to do something about this and unlike Prez Obama they did not reach for the stars to get stimulation going. I guess this is a lesson learned

Originally Posted by DWB

Of course they have the contacts. One call to KB would have taken care of it. But do you want to know what they did instead? They tweeted back and forth to each other, sent emails, skinned tube sites, and actually "stormed tourists" in Hollywood to protest to them - tourists who do not live in California so they can not vote there - about Measure B. Oh, and they made some stupid YouTube videos that they passed back and forth to each other on twitter and on porn sites. That is the best they could do. But don't fret, they fight continues. More brilliant moves ahead.

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Obviously it passed.

People don't care about "pornographers" and think they are assholes... so any campaign like those I saw by "pornographers" was little more than telling people "do the opposite of what we say and want because as you know, we are asshole... OH! and P.S. Oprah Winfrey, Steve Hirsch has an offer for you to do a bukkake scene" - That's all people read. You are a bunch of dickheads with zero credibility in the eyes of the public. You are scum. You are predators and you are losers. To the public, you are still just a bunch of pimps with gold teeth, unbuttoned shirts, hairy chests preying on runaway teens. Every fucking idiot that got behind the idea to make an appeal on behalf of the industry should be fired from their jobs immediately.

Then there was the fact that there was no single, simple message. "Hope and Change" etc. It was a bunch of unbelievable and nonsensical scare tactics showing people in biohazard suits and direct appeals to consumers (people who could care less) with random, inconsistent messages. Really dipshits? Basic marketing 101. You need a single, simple, clear message that not only resonates with and appeals to the customer but that is instantly credible and believable. You all failed miserably in that department, being the fragmented, individualist, antisocial group of shits that you are. What a shocker.

The issue at hand is simple.

Safety.

You will not win an argument against safety unless you can prove the proposed measure "for" is dangerous. End of story. This is how it works in the real world. This is why we have warnings on hair dryers not to use them while standing in the shower. Get it? There is no argument against warning people and only arguments for, hence the warning.

This business is so full of ineptitude and stupidity, that its difficult at times to even decide where to begin in pointing it out.

One a final note... Uhm.... really? You honestly think that there should be no rules and regulations regarding the spread of contagious and deadly disease in the work place? What fucking planet are you living on where you don't see the government eventually getting involved? Testing is extremely flawed. In what other industry does this happen where safety issues aren't regulated? You can't cook in a kitchen without a hair net... but it should be ok to run around spraying HIV, Hepatitis and everything else all over each others faces? There is no word that describes how retarded you are to think thats how it should be. In fact, a new word will need to be invented to describe the level of stupidity for most of the morons in this biz.

Every single argument you fucking morons have is a losing argument. Testing is flawed. People fake tests/cheat. Models escort. Disease is rampant. Disease affects everyone.. not just the people on the film set. ... and you people are again, proving to the public why you are just a bunch of assholes that should never be trusted or believed and should remain on the fringe.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

For those that want to argue that testing works... you better hope to fucking god that a court doesn't order the release of data showing statistics on how many people the biz are infected with how many diseases.

But then again, that's your destiny anyway because you're too fucking dumb to not only understand the inherent risks in frivolous provocation in conflict but you seek it.

Your enemy owns you.

He's organized
He's motivated
He controls governments
He controls legislators
He has money
He has support
His forces are easily rallied against you and your "cause"

You?

You're just an insignificant 14yr old bully with daddy issues on a street corner trying to tell everyone that you should be able to do what you want, when you want, how you want and throwing up your fists as if you are capable of anything more than misguided bravado.

Your enemy loves that.

When your enemy looks at you, he sees ...

Your forces are fragmented and poorly organized
You're unintelligent
You're predictable
You're selfish and self centered
You're short sighted
You have a very poor concept of your own abilities, capabilities and limitations
You have a very poor concept of how the public percieves you
You're easily provoked
Once provoked, you can be relied on to mind numbingly dumb decisions
You're motivated by the wrong things, and for the wrong reasons
You will never have popular support
You are and always have been, your own worst enemy
You will always be a pimp preying on the weak and ruining lives

Your enemy owns you. He just hasn't made the conscious choice to kill you yet. It will come. It's inevitable. Once they fully grasp how weak and ineffectual you are, you'll be done.

All it takes is one person to lead that charge.

One day, it will happen.

One day, a girl will turn out to be a senators daughter and addict, be doing DP scenes and die on the set of an overdose and the entire industry will be finished. Thats all it will take. Thats how weak you are.

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Does this mean blowjobs with a condom

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Like I said long ago, you can push your own condom brands on your sites and show them in action!

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I got my start in the sex industry back in the 1960s hustling men off the street into a Belgium strip club. And for the last 40 years I have been quiet producing pornographer. I would not have been around so long if I did not « get it » .

This entire thing is going to eventually collapse and all the big tough macho new kids of the last 5 to 10 years will be gone. Then we will go back to making quiet contacts and porn. The web kids that screamed « adapt or die » are now starting to die. I have seen all of this happen before.

Make a sandwich and enjoy the spectacle.

Originally Posted by The Ghost

A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"

Originally Posted by The Ghost

IMO there's many mistakes are made by guys in the business for the last 10 -30 years who had no idea how to transition online. Whoring out their content to brokers and not policing it AT ALL. Slowly but surely their solid media market has all but shriveled up and died.


A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"


Head down, work hard and make something that's worth a shit. Keep up with the times and future technologies. Market and protect accordingly.

Originally Posted by The Ghost

A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You're just an insignificant 14yr old ...

Originally Posted by xanadu

its 56,5-43,5 now at 74% of the votes, maybe the final difference will be even smaller but hard to change the end result, probably it will be 54-46 at the end if it continues with the same rythm(was almost 70-30 in the start....)

sucks to be so close, i am sure if the industry had come together more and act a bit faster, we would have easily avoid it

Its not the end of porn of course but a sad day for sure....

Instead of becoming more socially accepted and open more markets for our work/products, we keep being regulated from others on our behalf...

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

You added 2 years. The saying in the adult industry is, "If you want to keep your sanity, imagine that the person you're working with is 12 years old."

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

You added 2 years. The saying in the adult industry is, "If you want to keep your sanity, imagine that the person you're working with is 12 years old."

Originally Posted by Jman

I just feel as a Canadian that measure B vote was not publicized at all. The World watch Cali made porn but this law had 0 PR. Or at best, last minute PR. IMHO our industry is to much me myself and I, hence why this failed.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It's like watching a group of adults try to put together a Mr Potato Head toy and they are forcing the nose into the ass, have arms where the ears are and 3 idiots are standing around eating the pieces and slobbering all over themselves - at the same time they come at you with this arrogant, condescending attitude that you should be supporting them.

Originally Posted by DWB

It's very difficult to a argue against safety, especially when everyone who has a job has their own safety regulations to deal with.

Originally Posted by tony286

condoms=safe sex has been taught for how long now? 20 yrs. In schools, billboards,tv of course they are going to vote for it.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is the comedy of the discussion/issue. It's like a bunch of dysfunctional ex-con, day care owners (who clearly should not be attracting attention to themselves) arguing that children in their care should be able to play with loaded handguns and then are genuinely confused and upset that people are saying "uhm... hey, lets at least unload the weapons". Their response?... "hey man, first they take away the kids bullets, next thing you know, they are going to make little kids play in full body armor and combat gear and fake grenades.... is that the world you want to live in???" as if that makes any sense at all to voters.

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

I know a couple that said that about DVDs back then and signed their DVD rights away to a 3rd party.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Well this obviously comes back to what I was saying about too much of a cowboy attitude.

Business is never about technology, unless of course your business is selling technology.

Technology is nothing more than a tool and like any tool should only be employed when it is the right tool to get the job done. And in business that job is to make the highest return on your investement. Possesion of or utilisation of a certain type technology is not a guarrante of profit and success. Give a monkey a harmer and all you will get is a headache. Give the average man some naked pictures and an Internet connection and at the end of the day all you have is probably another monkey and not a pornographer.

It amazes some people to find out that I still sell between 5 to 20 VHS units with each product released. I have got customers that have purchased from me for years and the equipment to make a VHS cassette is in my garage. It does not take too much effort for me at the end of my day to make them a special copy for those that want it. I once offered to buy a customer a DVD player and he refused. But he buys regularly and sends me 35$ plus postage for a cassette. So whatever their reasons for wanting VHS is not my concern. All I need to know is that I earn between 175$ and 700$ for about 30 minutes of my time.

Porn is not for the weak or the stupid.

It is a business with unique problems and risks. Only knowledge, experience and intelligence can overcome those challenges. Like jumping out of an airplane is risky but is moderately safe with training, practice or checking your equipement before getting on the plane. On the other hand a monkey is someone that comes into possession of plane and jumps without even a parachute. Unfortunately for the porn industry everyone with a penis thinks he can be a pornographer.

Originally Posted by GonZo

Because it sells less than bareback.

Originally Posted by DWB

Even Manwin ran a huge ad on the side of a building in New York and created a website promoting condoms. Lead by example. This is one of those, do as we say, not as we do, situations. They tell everyone else to strap up but don't want to use condoms for themselves. They lose this battle no matter how they want to argue it, and every time some dumb whore makes ignorant comments on twitter about, it just digs the whole a little deeper.

Originally Posted by epitome

The gay side disputes your claim.

Originally Posted by DWB

I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill.

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Apart from publicity, I took it as one of those safe-sex message that we used to put at the beginning of the videos. However, the reason we did that was to put us in a position to say that our product is not without redeeming social value, therefore, not obscene.

The message, here are 2 minutes of what to do followed by 2 hours of what not to do.

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

I stopped in an adult store recently and saw that they had porn on VHS and was buying used VHS porn from consumers. The store had a nice thing going on. You put your used VHS tape in the bin and you have the choice of getting $1.00 for it or take another out of the bin in return. If you didn't have a tape to trade, you paid anywhere from $3.99 to $7.99 to buy a used one.

I asked the store owner about his system and he responded by telling me that a lot of truck drives still have VHS players in their rigs. It serves the purpose of getting them off when they are on those long and lonely trips.

Originally Posted by DWB

I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill.

Originally Posted by DWB

I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill.

Originally Posted by SGS

That started here all over in the mid 80's and still goes on now.

Originally Posted by DWB

I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill.