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Rochard · 01-10-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

While you could make the argument that allowing adults who work in schools to carry guns could help, I personally would likely be more worried about sending my kid to a school where the staff was packing than risking the very unlikely chance someone is going to shoot up the school.

I look back on my high school and there really were only a couple of teachers that I would have felt comfortable with being armed. Many of my teachers were odd, burned out or simply didn't care. Also, having a gun and properly using it when needed are two different things. If you are armed and you hear gunfire in another area of the school you have to be willing to move towards it, put yourself in harms way, and shoot the person responsible for it. Most people aren't built that way. They would hear the gunfire and haul ass to protect themselves or they would get themselves and the students in their area out.

Sure, maybe a teacher could take one of of these shooters out and it could reduce the amount of damage done, but in my mind the potential for other bad things to happen (like in the chaos the teacher shoots the wrong person) or nothing to happen are just as likely.

My kid is in 7th grade. I know all of the teachers. I know all of the high school teachers too; My wife is at the high school right now really.

Teachers are teachers because they shouldn't carry a gun. Meaning, most teachers I know could never join the military or be police officers - that's just not their nature. I don't want 98% of them packing.

kane · 01-10-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

My kid is in 7th grade. I know all of the teachers. I know all of the high school teachers too; My wife is at the high school right now really.

Teachers are teachers because they shouldn't carry a gun. Meaning, most teachers I know could never join the military or be police officers - that's just not their nature. I don't want 98% of them packing.

Exactly. It takes a certain type of person to be willing to move towards danger and put yourself in harms way. I could see a situation where a shooting happens, a teacher tries to help and ends up accidentally shooting innocent kids.

ColBigBalls · 01-10-2013, 06:49 PM

Thank you I was having a hard time finding a thread on this subject.

bronco67 · 01-10-2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

So, you have actually shot at several people? And actually have hit a few of them?

You have such an amazing life.

I stated to you in one of the threads where you were discussing your arrest record that most people manage to go through their entire lives without being arrested.

I feel that now I must (for whatever reason) inform you that most people go through their entire life without shooting a weapon at someone and that includes most gun owners and most cops. The people that you are likely to meet that have actually shot at someone on purpose usually did it in the military, during time of war and the weapon was pointed at the enemy.

Like I say, for a white boy wanna be black gang banger drunk genius from bumfuck Kansas you sure do live an interesting life.

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If you own a gun, the likelihood you'll shoot someone goes up substantially. If you have a concealed permit, you will be shooting someone eventually.

Minte · 01-10-2013, 07:16 PM

Its entertaining to read these threads. You can insult, yell and scream as much as you want. It won't change a thing. There will continue to be a huge global appetite for weapons and people will still die by them.

Dirty F · 01-10-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

If you own a gun, the likelihood you'll shoot someone goes up substantially. If you have a concealed permit, you will be shooting someone eventually.

People who carry a gun with them outside are basically looking for a reason to use it. They can't wait for that moment. It is simply insane that people walk around with a gun in a supermarket. Totally fucking insane and highly dangerous.

adult-help · 01-10-2013, 07:47 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-1...ts-nra/4460298

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Police say a 16-year-old student was shot and wounded by a fellow classmate who opened fire with a shotgun at a high school in rural California.

The shooting took place at Taft Union High School in the town of Taft north of Los Angeles, just weeks after the massacre of 26 people - including 20 children - at a school in Newtown, Connecticut.

if only teachers had gun,they would shoot down that 16 year old mother fucker right after he shot at that other student... so instead of one wounded student you would have one dead student..

yeeeehaaa,the land of the free and home of the brave!

to those commenting how gun violence sharply fell in england once they became banned and now knife incidents are the main offender...well,it clearly shows that taking away guns worked! people are not buying illegals guns and killing others with them. Killers and robbers are not taking advantage of this by killing "poor defenseless people" like some here would like us to believe will happen. To quote wiki "The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world "! What more do you want when it comes to gun control? homicide rate is 40 times lower than in US of A!

and people commenting the list of countries with homicide rate and pointing out how usa is not on top - well done, being proud you have lower homicide rate than some third world shitty african and south american countries...really great company to be in and a real achievement worth of land of the free and home of the brave,isnt it?

CyberHustler · 01-10-2013, 07:55 PM

Seems to me like the people that live where guns are banned don't really give a fuck about Americans dying by guns, they just want us to have the same restrictions they have. Like a misery loves company kind of thing. You guys seem more miserable about our guns than us, and our guns don't affect you... other than we have them and you don't

adult-help · 01-10-2013, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Seems to me like the people that live where guns are banned don't really give a fuck about Americans dying by guns, they just want us to have the same restrictions they have. Like a misery loves company kind of thing. You guys seem more miserable about our guns than us, and our guns don't affect you... other than we have them and you don't

yes, people who live in countries where their children are not in danger getting killed by bushmaster in a school are absolutely jealous of your guns. I am immensely jealous that our kids dont need to think about buying bullet proof backpacks to go to school and that when they go to school I have to worry if they learned anything new that day instead of worrying if some nutcase with a semi-automatic gun would massacre them.Yes,we are miserable that our teachers aren't allowed to wear a gun in the classes and I cry myself to sleep ever night because I wish I could live in constant fear, like apparently you do, of someone breaking into my house in the night so I could gun them down.. if only you could be so miserable like we are.

if you dont give a fuck about your own citizens and children dying by guns then why should people from other countries? Ironically, "we" actually care more..we know how we live without a fear of guns and being gunned down and we would like you to live like that too.. reading many replies here it is evident you people, in the land of the free and home of the brave, seems to live in constant fear despite having guns while the civilized world lives with no fear and no guns.

and if you say "but USA is more dangerous than the rest of the civilized world". Well, it is because of the mentality you have. The mentality that every problem can ultimately be solved by and with a gun! The nutcase thinks that killing everyone with gun "will show them", you think that having gun will solve your protection problem,arming teachers will sovle crime in schools, arming this will solve that and this......everyone sees guns an an ultimate answer to anything,including crazies,thieves and harm doers... it is a vicious circle and more guns will just make it worse..Such a easy availability of guns and ammo definitely contributes to this mentality. As long as everyone thinks guns are solution to everything you will get violence no matter how many guns you have.

But how does that saying go: you cant help someone who doesn't want to help themselves in the first place.

Xxaru Media · 01-10-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

People who carry a gun with them outside are basically looking for a reason to use it. They can't wait for that moment. It is simply insane that people walk around with a gun in a supermarket. Totally fucking insane and highly dangerous.

Yeah, the OP is psycho. That's just what we need, a bunch of people walking around thinking they're fucking Rambo everytime something breaks out. Then instead of 10-15 dead, you have 50+ people dead all getting shot up in the crossfire. Real smart.

GrantMercury · 01-10-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Oh - and - to top it all off, the many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member didn't get any media coverage since TENS OF PEOPLE FAILED TO DIE and so as a result these don't count since your MEDIA didn't INSTRUCT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

What a pile of bullshit. You're a gun nut.

How do you know there have been "many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member?" If these incidents "didn't get any media coverage", how did you find out?

Gun nut. Serious gun nut.

CyberHustler · 01-10-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by adult-help

But how does that saying go: you cant help someone who doesn't want to help themselves in the first place.

Exactly. We like our guns, and are not asking for any foreign advice or help

Dirty F · 01-11-2013, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Exactly. We like our guns, and are not asking for any foreign advice or help

Pathetic how you ignore everything he said and continue to be a dumb American.

Minte · 01-11-2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Xxaru Media

Yeah, the OP is psycho. That's just what we need, a bunch of people walking around thinking they're fucking Rambo everytime something breaks out. Then instead of 10-15 dead, you have 50+ people dead all getting shot up in the crossfire. Real smart.

There are millions of people already walking around with guns. They have been for decades. Some legal and many more not.

Show us one incident where something like this has happened where it was not innercity gangs killing each other.

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

There are millions of people already walking around with guns. They have been for decades. Some legal and many more not.

Show us one incident where something like this has happened where it was not innercity gangs killing each other.

isn't this what everyone is advocating though? that more people should be packing so they can get involved when something goes down because it takes too long for the cops to get there?

Minte · 01-11-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

isn't this what everyone is advocating though? that more people should be packing so they can get involved when something goes down because it takes too long for the cops to get there?

I don't think everyone is advocating that. It is more about the reality of the world. Go to the middle east. It's not concealed carry. Every child there gets an AK47 for their 5th birthday. Go to Europe, walk around the airports. It's like a military base. Go to most of South America and Mexico..you need kevlar and a really fast car. Canada has murders, Russia has murders. Actually, everywhere there are people..there are murders.

I do believe we do NOT need assault weapons. Most of the legislation that is being discussed is reasonable in my opinion. But I certainly don't believe it will have any impact at all on violence.

People are people. This is what we are.
Watch most species of animals. They fight, kill and eat each other just to survive. Humans have only found a more efficient and less personal way to do the same thing.

Rochard · 01-11-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Seems to me like the people that live where guns are banned don't really give a fuck about Americans dying by guns, they just want us to have the same restrictions they have. Like a misery loves company kind of thing. You guys seem more miserable about our guns than us, and our guns don't affect you... other than we have them and you don't

It's very simple common sense here. The more firearms we have on the streets, the more firearm deaths we will have - and the more mass murders we will have. This is a fact.

The problem is you have one side that swears up and down that they need their guns for protection or for whatever reason. The more firearms we have, the higher the chance they get into the hands of someone who is going to tear through a grade school or mall killing people.

Minte · 01-11-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's very simple common sense here. The more firearms we have on the streets, the more firearm deaths we will have - and the more mass murders we will have. This is a fact.

The problem is you have one side that swears up and down that they need their guns for protection or for whatever reason. The more firearms we have, the higher the chance they get into the hands of someone who is going to tear through a grade school or mall killing people.

So get rid of your weapons. You aren't special. Didn't you just post a picture of your self with a mohawk? Does that seem normal to you. It seems strange to me that a middle age man would do that.

bronco67 · 01-11-2013, 08:06 AM

These are the kind of people who are bent out of shape over the fear of their second amendment rights being nuked(which isn't going to happen). Something about owning a lot of firearms makes you like this. I know a guy who isn't this bad, but he does't have a lot of friends because he's preparing for the apocalypse.

This is the mindset of these nutbags...He already took the video off Youtube because he's a punk, but it's in the link.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/341055

CyberHustler · 01-11-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's very simple common sense here. The more firearms we have on the streets, the more firearm deaths we will have - and the more mass murders we will have. This is a fact.

The problem is you have one side that swears up and down that they need their guns for protection or for whatever reason. The more firearms we have, the higher the chance they get into the hands of someone who is going to tear through a grade school or mall killing people.

Exactly, very common sense. I mean, if more guns meant less gun problems that would be nuts

That's why I laugh when people keep repeating those facts like it's ground shaking. There's nothing jaw dropping about the fact that more guns = more gun problems. More anything, more anything problems too... it's called calculated risk.

There are about 100,000 PUBLIC schools in America alone, and 9 school shootings in last 2 years. Vast majority of people in America ain't gotta worry about that type of shit.

Even gang bang capital LA is now the safest big city in America, with no gun bans

Banning guns will drop gun problems of course, but guns are not a problem for the vast majority of people here.

Rochard · 01-11-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

So get rid of your weapons. You aren't special. Didn't you just post a picture of your self with a mohawk? Does that seem normal to you. It seems strange to me that a middle age man would do that.

It is strange that a middle aged man would suddenly snap and get a mohawk.

I have lots of firearms. However, they are tools for me. I don't carry them around on a daily basis nor do I go shooting every other weekend. I am sort of the "be prepared for everything" kind of guy. If we have an earthquake and have no power for a week, I'll be fine. If we have to leave the house with only ten minutes warning, we are ready for that too (and this recently happened here in my hometown due the propane train fire). If society breaks down and I need to defend myself and my family or make a run for the hills, well, I'm prepared for that too.

Rochard · 01-11-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Exactly, very common sense. I mean, if more guns meant less gun problems that would be nuts

That's why I laugh when people keep repeating those facts like it's ground shaking. There's nothing jaw dropping about the fact that more guns = more gun problems. More anything, more anything problems too... it's called calculated risk.

There are about 100,000 PUBLIC schools in America alone, and 9 school shootings in last 2 years. Vast majority of people in America ain't gotta worry about that type of shit.

Even gang bang capital LA is now the safest big city in America, with no gun bans

Banning guns will drop gun problems of course, but guns are not a problem for the vast majority of people here.

One of the things we need to do - one of the first things - is look at why this is happening. In the 1970s when I was in grade school, I don't remember there being mass murders by shooters in schools. Why - is it because our culture has become too violent? Video games? Movies?

kyro · 01-11-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

In these school shootings we see these bastards killing at will for extended periods of time.. they take as many lives as they care to and no one has a chance, at all.

Knowing that- you gun control morons don't want there to be an armed guard, an armed principal, or ANYTHING? You want to be sure that the teachers are defenseless, as well? How ignorant can you gun control proponents even be?!

Making sure that no one in the building has ANY HOPE WHATEVER of survival is NOT the answer. You can say UMMM LIKE GUNZ R BAAAD and try to solve the problem by "getting rid of guns" all you want, but it's stupid.

What you are doing is just exactly like throwing water on someone who is drowning. It's not possible and doesn't make any sense. You may be an idiot and think "ummm, but mor gunz iz mor problums" --- that may make sense to someone with a brain deficiency, but you tell me how you're going to stop these mass killings without a gun, you idiot.

"Ummmm dey shud wate 4 da polices to git derr" ... by then the woman is raped, the child is kidnapped, the child is shot, the mugger has shot you, or everyone is dead, etc.. Or the criminal has taken the whole building. Period. If you want anyone inside to have a chance- you had better hope that someone on YOUR side is in there armed.

Let's ban scary looking weapons again.. It sure worked last time, right? So called assault weapons are used in an extremely small fraction of shooting incidents so they're the problem.. right? Of course. The fact that any city which has ever "banned" guns ended up with a skyrocketing murder and general crime rate doesn't matter, because it's not emotionally convenient, right?

Oh - and - to top it all off, the many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member didn't get any media coverage since TENS OF PEOPLE FAILED TO DIE and so as a result these don't count since your MEDIA didn't INSTRUCT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

So go ahead and make more laws so that the black market for firearms keeps growing.. that way, only criminals (or anyone who wants one) can acquire a firearm and it'll just get easier every DAY for them to do so.

You motherfucking gun control advocates have a lot of innocent blood on your hands. I'm talking about what I KNOW. Most of you who support gun control are picket fence living grey mustard spreading fucking pansy ass fucks who have never had to face reality. Almost anyone who has had REAL WORLD REALITY experience sees right through the myth of gun control making us safer.

I would be DEAD right now if I had not had access to firearms. That's right- I would be DEAD if you destructive bastards had your way. Several times. So before you talk out of your stupid overly white asses anymore, please realize that innocent people DIE every day THANKS TO YOU.

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it just seems silly that people want to have 10000's of armed guards in 10000's of schools because of something happening that you have a better chance of getting struck by lightening. why do you stupid people make policy based on something that happens .00001% of the time? if you make big changes because of events that almost never happen you going to spend whole lives chasing your tail.

kyro · 01-11-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

One of the things we need to do - one of the first things - is look at why this is happening. In the 1970s when I was in grade school, I don't remember there being mass murders by shooters in schools. Why - is it because our culture has become too violent? Video games? Movies?

there were nuts back then too, it happened more on college campuses though.

kyro · 01-11-2013, 09:47 AM

100x more kids get killed from school bus accidents to and from school. you should ban school buses.

Minte · 01-11-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

One of the things we need to do - one of the first things - is look at why this is happening. In the 1970s when I was in grade school, I don't remember there being mass murders by shooters in schools. Why - is it because our culture has become too violent? Video games? Movies?

Taking a look at the first ammendent should happen as long as the government is so interested in the second.

The media glorifies these events too much. They even make *theme songs* that they run nonstop while reporting. I always wonder how many of these shooters do what they do just so they can *be someone*.

Minte · 01-11-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It is strange that a middle aged man would suddenly snap and get a mohawk.

I have lots of firearms. However, they are tools for me. I don't carry them around on a daily basis nor do I go shooting every other weekend. I am sort of the "be prepared for everything" kind of guy. If we have an earthquake and have no power for a week, I'll be fine. If we have to leave the house with only ten minutes warning, we are ready for that too (and this recently happened here in my hometown due the propane train fire). If society breaks down and I need to defend myself and my family or make a run for the hills, well, I'm prepared for that too.

How is that different from anyone else? Weapons are always tools.

It's nearly noon here and I haven't shot or killed anyone today. Of course the day isn't over

bronco67 · 01-11-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kyro

100x more kids get killed from school bus accidents to and from school. you should ban school buses.

But here's the thing. A school bus can transport kids to and from school. An assault rifle can't. Which thing can society do without?

Minte · 01-11-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kyro

100x more kids get killed from school bus accidents to and from school. you should ban school buses.

I agree...but the other side would say, you are talking accidents not intentionals.

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Taking a look at the first ammendent should happen as long as the government is so interested in the second.

The media glorifies these events too much. They even make *theme songs* that they run nonstop while reporting. I always wonder how many of these shooters do what they do just so they can *be someone*.

for sure. if someone is pissed off at the world and wants to kill themselves, what better why to do than to take out a bunch of people with you and become infamous in the process.

Minte · 01-11-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

for sure. if someone is pissed off at the world and wants to kill themselves, what better why to do than to take out a bunch of people with you and become infamous in the process.

And that really is the problem. Tell CBS that they can only run a 30 second segment on the Evening news, and the newspapers that they can only print a 14 row article and can not put it on the front page. Can you imagine the shitstorm.

DBS.US · 01-11-2013, 10:25 AM

Minte · 01-11-2013, 10:31 AM

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I have seen one of those. The locals use them for pheasant hunting.

PR_Phil · 01-11-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I have seen one of those. The locals use them for pheasant hunting.

I believe when using that, it is more like pheasant shopping than hunting.

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, they didn't have a damn chance. Not a chance in hell. They had an armed guard and he was utterly useless. The armed guard didn't do anything, and it was local law enforcement who responded and took care of the problem.

So they had a useless armed guard.. pure genius... not sure what your point is? Everyone is useless because that one guy was?

Xxaru Media · 01-11-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

There are millions of people already walking around with guns. They have been for decades. Some legal and many more not.

Show us one incident where something like this has happened where it was not innercity gangs killing each other.

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

isn't this what everyone is advocating though? that more people should be packing so they can get involved when something goes down because it takes too long for the cops to get there?

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Originally Posted by Minte

I don't think everyone is advocating that.

That's exactly what some of the posters in this thread are advocating. Get civilians to take their guns in malls, schools, supermarkets, etc. So that when the shooting starts they can all draw and turn the place into the O.K. Corral. That's a real bright idea...

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's not so much firearm education as being fucking arrogant. Us Americans always think we are right, never accept we might be wrong, and even if we are dead wrong we will never admit.

The concept of "never pulling a weapon unless you are ready to use it" is long gone. People use it for intimidation. They think it makes them a man or something. Shooting someone at ten yards is not impressive; My kid can do that. But if you are man enough to break my jaw with a 2x4, then I'll be impressed.

I accept being wrong all of the time when and if I am. That said, someone has to have a valid point based in reality in order to change my mind. All of my lady friends are subs and they all are amazed that I am open to their input and will yield to them if I'm wrong about something.

It's not just a concept. It's a rule to live (or die) by. If some moron wants to wave a gun around thinking he looks like billy bad ass, he's probably not going to last long.

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Oh, I'm sorry, it's only 5x as likely. My bad. In that case, everybody should have a gun! But hey, Africa still has more gun deaths so woohoo!

What are you talking about?

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:43 PM

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You're also someone that thinks cops unfairly harass you so I think our definitions of "good reason" may vary.

PS Are you on the bottle today?

No- I haven't had a drink in some time, now. I don't think officers harass me- generally I appreciate what they do and have no problem with them. I ran into one in FL who had a hardon for me and he fucked me over very badly... does that mean they're all bad? No. Do I hate officers? Hell no. My favorite lady friend ever- she is one, now!

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

So, you have actually shot at several people? And actually have hit a few of them?

You have such an amazing life.

I stated to you in one of the threads where you were discussing your arrest record that most people manage to go through their entire lives without being arrested.

I feel that now I must (for whatever reason) inform you that most people go through their entire life without shooting a weapon at someone and that includes most gun owners and most cops. The people that you are likely to meet that have actually shot at someone on purpose usually did it in the military, during time of war and the weapon was pointed at the enemy.

Like I say, for a white boy wanna be black gang banger drunk genius from bumfuck Kansas you sure do live an interesting life.

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When did I ever write that I had shot people? Wannabe black gang banger? Listen stupid, I never ran with bangers and never will. They're disorganized and violent and useless to anyone who wants to stay healthy and make any money without dying. Wannabe banger, hell!

As an aside.. Who in the world said I was from kansas? I'm not FROM anywhere and where I am FROM sure as the hell ain't the midwest.

Also- If I had shot at anyone or shot someone, I would be a bad person? Is that what you are trying to say? That is stupid.

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

While you could make the argument that allowing adults who work in schools to carry guns could help, I personally would likely be more worried about sending my kid to a school where the staff was packing than risking the very unlikely chance someone is going to shoot up the school.

I look back on my high school and there really were only a couple of teachers that I would have felt comfortable with being armed. Many of my teachers were odd, burned out or simply didn't care. Also, having a gun and properly using it when needed are two different things. If you are armed and you hear gunfire in another area of the school you have to be willing to move towards it, put yourself in harms way, and shoot the person responsible for it. Most people aren't built that way. They would hear the gunfire and haul ass to protect themselves or they would get themselves and the students in their area out.

Sure, maybe a teacher could take one of of these shooters out and it could reduce the amount of damage done, but in my mind the potential for other bad things to happen (like in the chaos the teacher shoots the wrong person) or nothing to happen are just as likely.

Well, from what I can tell.. when they have these shootings most everyone dies. It'd be extremely exceedingly unlikely for any accidental shootings to happen if some teachers were armed. . Hardly on the map at all. . And I definitely think that if these mass killer people weren't so sure no one would be armed, they'd be less likely to attack. . If and when they do, they need to be put down and not minutes or hours later when the police finally gain access but before they can murder everyone.

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

You self-defeat any argument you may have simply with your attitude and utter lack of respect for the opinions of others.

That's why I'm paying attention to what people wrote and responding to it ....

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigluv

Jesus you americans really baffle me.

You guys gonna turn your schools into the TSA part 2?

It's not even arguable, ok. People do go postal, it just happens. If there's less guns around, chances are a bit better it wont be as bad when it happens.

Also, if you guys would just get rid of your hahahaha's with the guns (or both at the same time) everything would be a lot safer on your streets.

Lastly, fuck mr maxwell, just shut up please idiot.

Why don't you guys post safety instructors in the passenger seat of every vehicle on the road? You'd fucking save more lives than your TSA and this school guard thing combined.

Everything you write is too stupid and baseless to respond to.

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

My kid is in 7th grade. I know all of the teachers. I know all of the high school teachers too; My wife is at the high school right now really.

Teachers are teachers because they shouldn't carry a gun. Meaning, most teachers I know could never join the military or be police officers - that's just not their nature. I don't want 98% of them packing.

Well, you don't want the crazy fuck to come in and shoot everyone up.. either. It ain't about what we want.. Right?

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I've never shot anyone I shouldn't have hurt. Period. I never even shot AT anyone without a good reason. No matter HOW MUCH SHIT they talked or whatever else. Period. Drunk or not.

here you go, you said it..

kyro · 01-11-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

But here's the thing. A school bus can transport kids to and from school. An assault rifle can't. Which thing can society do without?

but you people only look at stopping something that can harm. you don't care if it can have good purposes too. guns have good purposes, 1 gun kills children you want to either get rid of all guns or give everyone guys. makes no sense.

MrMaxwell · 01-11-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Exactly. It takes a certain type of person to be willing to move towards danger and put yourself in harms way. I could see a situation where a shooting happens, a teacher tries to help and ends up accidentally shooting innocent kids.

You and rochard are right about this (I actually mentioned that being a risk earlier) but if shit jumps off what is the chance the teacher is shooting the wrong person? It's a much greater chance of him/her stopping the threat, because it is a human being with a gun. What is the threat? A human being with a gun? What is necessary if you want to neutralize that threat? A human being with a gun.

sarettah · 01-11-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In the 1970s when I was in grade school, I don't remember there being mass murders by shooters in schools. Why - is it because our culture has become too violent? Video games? Movies?

Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

As I told you in another thread, and which you apparently ignored, there have been school shootings in the U.S. since the beginning of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

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The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings,

February 2, 1971: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Teacher Samson L. Freedman, 56, was shot to death as he left Morris E. Leeds School, by Kevin Simmons, 14. Freedman had suspended Simmons earlier in the day for cursing in the hallway.

November 8, 1971: Grove, Oklahoma School custodian, Jim "James" Underwood brought a .22-caliber revolver to school hidden in a brown paper bag. School principal, T.J. Melton, 49, was shot in the left shoulder, left ear and in the top of his head, according to published reports. He died around 9 a.m. and Underwood was charged the next day with first-degree murder.[47]

November 11, 1971: Spokane, Washington Former MIT student Larry J. Harmon, 21, entered St. Aloysius Roman Catholic Church on the Gonzaga University campus armed with a .22 caliber rifle. Harmon killed the caretaker, 68-year-old Hilary Kunz, and upon merging from the church, wounded four more people before police officers shot and killed him. Harmon was described by his father as a religious fanatic who believed that he had seen the devil and that Christ was an imposter.[48]

January 5, 1972: Washington, DC Fifth-grade teacher Margaret Brooks, 57, was shot to death in front of her students by her estranged husband James A. Brooks.[citation needed]

January 17, 1974: Chicago, Illinois Elementary school principal Rudolph Jezek, Jr., 52, was shot to death in his office by Steven Guy, 14, a former student said to be angry at being transferred from the school to a social adjustment center.[citation needed]

December 30, 1974: Olean, New York Regents scholar Anthony Barbaro, 17, armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.[49]

February 12, 1976: Detroit, Michigan Intruders shot five Murray-Wright High School students after an apparent dispute over one of the intruders girlfriends.[50]

May 1976: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma U.S. Grant High School student Randy Truitt was shot and killed by James Briggs at the school, leaving several others injured.[citation needed]

June 12, 1976: California State University, Fullerton massacre Custodian Edward Charles Allaway, 37, opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle in the library on the California State University, Fullerton campus killing 7, and wounding 2.[citation needed]

November 10, 1976: Detroit, Michigan Second grade teacher Bettye McCaster, 45, was shot to death in front of her 29 students at Burt Elementary School, by her estranged husband, Al Lewis.[citation needed]

April 7, 1977: Whitharral, Texas High School principal M.O. Tripp was shot to death on the front steps of the school by Ricardo Lopez, 17.[citation needed]

February 9, 1978: St. Albans, West Virginia A 15-year-old student was shot and killed by another student at Hayes Junior High School.[citation needed]

February 22, 1978: Lansing, Michigan After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, kills one student and wounds a second with a Luger pistol.[49]

May 18, 1978: Austin, Texas John Daniel Christian, 13, son of Lyndon B. Johnson's former press secretary George Christian, shot to death his English teacher, Wilbur Grayson, 29, with his father's .22 caliber rifle in front of approximately 30 classmates. John Christian was never prosecuted and is now a practicing attorney in Austin, Texas.[51]

January 29, 1979: San Diego, California Brenda Ann Spencer opens fire on Grover Cleveland Elementary School from the window of her home across the street, killing 2 adults and wounding 9 others, 8 of whom were children.[citation needed]

mikesinner · 01-11-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Xxaru Media

That's exactly what some of the posters in this thread are advocating. Get civilians to take their guns in malls, schools, supermarkets, etc. So that when the shooting starts they can all draw and turn the place into the O.K. Corral. That's a real bright idea...

It's a pretty stupid idea but it's this type of thinking I've come to expect from my fellow citizens.

kyro · 01-11-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I agree...but the other side would say, you are talking accidents not intentionals.

so a family is less upset if their child dies from an accident then if it was intentional murder. sorry i dont understand that, is it a cultural thing? its ok my child died in accident? here we morn the death doesn't matter the cause of their death.

01-11-2013, 08:06 AM	#119
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	These are the kind of people who are bent out of shape over the fear of their second amendment rights being nuked(which isn't going to happen). Something about owning a lot of firearms makes you like this. I know a guy who isn't this bad, but he does't have a lot of friends because he's preparing for the apocalypse. This is the mindset of these nutbags...He already took the video off Youtube because he's a punk, but it's in the link. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/341055 __________________

01-11-2013, 10:25 AM	#132
DBS.US Geo Cities Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Captiva Island, Florida USA Posts: 11,830	__________________ Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site in 34 minutes and be making money tonight

01-10-2013, 06:49 PM	#103
ColBigBalls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,733	Thank you I was having a hard time finding a thread on this subject.

01-10-2013, 07:16 PM	#105
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	Its entertaining to read these threads. You can insult, yell and scream as much as you want. It won't change a thing. There will continue to be a huge global appetite for weapons and people will still die by them.

01-10-2013, 07:55 PM	#108
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,214	Seems to me like the people that live where guns are banned don't really give a fuck about Americans dying by guns, they just want us to have the same restrictions they have. Like a misery loves company kind of thing. You guys seem more miserable about our guns than us, and our guns don't affect you... other than we have them and you don't

01-11-2013, 09:47 AM	#125
kyro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 783	100x more kids get killed from school bus accidents to and from school. you should ban school buses.