Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

the sleazydream wont buy this idea. but here goes.

life does not always exist in the 1st world. as far-L correctly points out, natural disasters like hurricane katrina can almost instantly convert a city from an orderly society to savagery. Here in NY, in august 2003 a power glitch caused power to be lost to the entire northeastern USA. Just hours of power outage made traveling home dangerous. i witnessed 3 car accidents as morons flew through dead stoplights in a 30 minute span. I went to my local bar & it was cash only. I could only imagine 3 weeks of power being out. anarchy as long as the feds cant bring in the cavalry.

imagine our country if there was no 2008 bailout, & the banks all crashed & nobody could withdraw money, nobody could do shit without cash in hand. anarchy. nothing less.

people who want guns banned forget humans are still in the animal kingdom, & all the fruits of our intelligent designs can die almost instantly & without prediction.

so owning a semi-auto is essential to beat back the roving savages that will inevitably accompany the loose nukes that take out manhattan & DC, & gives our economy a heart attack not seen since the 1907 panic. guaranteed that the anti-gun crowd will be wishing for a gun when jonny law is not there in a state of disorder.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

your stupid lax gun laws spill more illegal firearms across MY border increasing illegal firearms in my county.

clean up your fucking act, we all live on the same planet. I don't think you'd like it if I walked over to you and pissed on your pants, that's what you're doing to me with the lax gun laws now.

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

the sleazydream wont buy this idea. but here goes.

life does not always exist in the 1st world. as far-L correctly points out, natural disasters like hurricane katrina can almost instantly convert a city from an orderly society to savagery. Here in NY, in august 2003 a power glitch caused power to be lost to the entire northeastern USA. Just hours of power outage made traveling home dangerous. i witnessed 3 car accidents as morons flew through dead stoplights in a 30 minute span. I went to my local bar & it was cash only. I could only imagine 3 weeks of power being out. anarchy as long as the feds cant bring in the cavalry.

imagine our country if there was no 2008 bailout, & the banks all crashed & nobody could withdraw money, nobody could do shit without cash in hand. anarchy. nothing less.

people who want guns banned forget humans are still in the animal kingdom, & all the fruits of our intelligent designs can die almost instantly & without prediction.

so owning a semi-auto is essential to beat back the roving savages that will inevitably accompany the loose nukes that take out manhattan & DC, & gives our economy a heart attack not seen since the 1907 panic. guaranteed that the anti-gun crowd will be wishing for a gun when jonny law is not there in a state of disorder.

Originally Posted by bl4h

it happens all the time. home invasions involve a gang many of times. The point is though, youre all up in arms over maybe 2 or three incidents out of how many people who own magazines like that. youre irrational, and its annoying

Originally Posted by Dirty F

My god, this is getting ridiculous. You must be someone's fake nick. You can't be that retarded.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

you missed my point, why do you need semi auto for this purpose, a pump shotgun will do just fine in that circumstance. or a lever action high powered rifle. place your round and kill who you intend to, unless your point is to kill innocent people with friendly fire

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i've been duck hunting, and honestly if you need to shoot a duck 3 times you're a complete and total moron.

yes i have actually used a semi auto to hunt geese, i found a pump better. it forces you to re-aim. with a semi auto you think you're still on target, but the recoil sets you off and you miss the next 2 rounds on trigger. with a pump you are forced to re-aim. it's better and why MOST duck and geese hunters use a pump action gun.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i've been duck hunting, and honestly if you need to shoot a duck 3 times you're a complete and total moron.

Originally Posted by bl4h

do knife murders out number gun muders in the uk by 5x? what is your point. where are you from? also, its moran

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Originally Posted by bl4h

why would i kill innocent people? is that what you do? are you afraid of your own stupidity and once again projecting that stupidity on others? Who does that. Everyone who owns a gun knows that the cardinal rule is that you dont shoot, you dont even point a weapon at someone you dont intend to kill. you recognize your target or you do nothing

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

That's a bunch of crap. Most duck hunters use a semi auto shotgun or an over-under. Same for skeet shooting.

Originally Posted by Dirty F

How many shots does it take you? 4?

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

because you are an idiot if you feel you need semi auto for home protection.

idiots panic when under stress. they don't aim, they spray an area with as many bullets as possible. Even the video above promoting assault rifles you HEAR multiple shots, but only some land where intended. And the home invaders in the first clip weren't even hit. Where did the other bullets go? It was a residential area. I'm betting there was holes in the neighbors houses. Panic means you pull the trigger lots. A shotgun must be aimed, the shot goes where intended. Much less chance of killing innocents. Kill the bad guy, not your neighbor's kids.

so UNLESS you are an idiot, if you use a semi auto to defend your home, you run the risk of killing your neighbors kids if you live in an urban environment.

now that only makes sense if you aren't an idiot.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

idiot. all you have to do is see the amount of pump shotguns available for purchase vs semi auto in most any gun store to know there are way Moreno pump. Plus it's the coolness factor, most people WANT to pump a shotgun.

and double barrel is no problem for me, separate trigger. it's two single shot guns.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I would like to inject some facts into this debate, if I may...


http://www.policymic.com/articles/24...-debunked-asap




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Since the tragedy at Sandy Hook elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, America has been embroiled in a renewed gun control debate. In the Information Age there can be a lot of misinformation, and gun control is unfortunately no exception. Here are some of the ways you are being misled.

1. "Assault Weapons"

AR-15 vs M4 rifles

The term "assault weapon" is a made-up political term. AR-15's are not military rifles; so unscrupulous politicians refer to them as "military-style assault weapons." 'Style' ? as in cosmetic appearance ? is the only true word in that description. The Military uses the M4A1 carbine rifle, which looks outwardly very much like an AR-15, but they do not have the same functionality; AR-15s are not machine guns, though the terminology used is meant to imply they are. Senator Diane Feinstein (R-Calif.) says AR-15's are designed for killing as many people in close quarters combat as possible, when in fact the AR-15 is an intermediate to distance rifle with a range of 400-600m. Feinstein and others claim AR-15's are not used for hunting; but in fact there are dozens of varieties of AR-15 used for hunting everything from varmint/small game to deer, elk, and dangerous game. The AR-15 is not the weapon of choice for most mass shooters according to James Alan Fox, a highly respected criminologist from Northeastern University in Boston; handguns are. In fact, rifle homicides comprise a very small amount of homicides, accounting for less than 3% of homicides (323 out of 12,664 in 2011) mass shootings or otherwise.

2. "High Capacity Magazines"

Magazine

Some politicians would have us believe that so-called "high capacity" magazines are responsible for a wave of death sweeping the nation. Academic, scholarly research shows the vast majority of homicides average four shots with less than 10 shots fired. While the Aurora shooter infamously used a 100-round magazine drum, these are novelty items that are prone to jam. In fact, it did jam probably saving lives. But mass shooters don't need 100-round magazines to commit atrocity ? the shooters at Virginia Tech and Columbine used 10-round magazines, they just brought a lot of them (17 and 13 respectively). James Alan Fox states mass shooters often meticulously plan their attacks in advance; a high capacity magazine ban will not deter them as Virginia Tech and Columbine illustrate.

3. Gun Show "Loophole"

Gun Show Loophole

Several people, including President Obama have stated that 40% of guns were bought via "gun show loopholes." This is not true. For one, the term "gun show loophole" implies that people are deviously getting around something when in actuality; it is just selling personal private property and is not illegal or nefarious. Additionally, private sales may not actually occur at a gun show at all. More important than loose terminology is that this claim is based on a study from 1994 of 251 people. The Washington Post evaluated this claim with the study's original authors and says the president distorted the truth. The actual range is 14%-22% with a plus or minus error margin of 6%. This means the final accurate range of this study is as low as 8%, but no more than 28%; neither figure is 40%. Further, it's implied that closing private sales would solve the issue of criminals obtaining guns; it doesn't. It fails to address illegal trafficking and straw man purchases. A Department of Justice study indicates that 78.8% of criminals get guns from friends or family (39.6%) or from the street/illegally (39.2%). To this point, the FBI states there are 1.2 million gang members in U.S. and that gangs illegally traffic guns as addition to narcotics.

4. Mass Shootings Are Not Increasing:

Mass shootings 1976-2011

Former President Bill Clinton, Mother Jones and others have claimed that mass shootings are increasing. Once again not true. James Alan Fox's analysis of the Mother Jones' study indicates they left out mass murders which made it seem there was an increase after the Federal assault weapon ban expired (they've updated their story since). Some mass murders receive more media attention than others, however the number has been consistently about 20 annually since 1976. The number dead from these mass shootings fluctuates from about 25 to 150, depending on the year (Fox's chart is shown above). In 2012, it was less than 100. Though tragic, this represents a fraction of 1% of homicides. In recent years, homicides by raw number peaked in 1991 at 24,700; it's dropped in half since, and the homicide rate per 100,000 people today is less than it was even in 1900 (see below).

5. Anti-Gun Organizations Lump in Suicide & Injuries With Crime Data:

Brady Campaign

After a mass murder shooting anti-gun organizations like the Brady campaign inevitably call for gun restrictions; these organizations also cite gun violence data other than crime data to include suicides and injuries. This is misleading. Although accidents and suicide are public health concerns, it is disingenuous to include them with homicide in response to a horrific crime. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), suicide rates have crept up slightly 2000-2009, but are still lower than the rate per 100,000 from 1950-1990. It's not accurate to say guns contribute to suicide causal factors since the rate is lower now. And ultimately, legislation aimed to prevent crime by banning weapons and limiting magazine capacity has no reasonable connection to either suicide or accidents. We ought to compare apples to apples: suicide with suicide prevention, accidents with safety programs, and homicide with policy that would realistically reduce homicide.

6. Too Many Are Being Killed:

Murder per 100,000 - 1900-2010

This statement is political gaming and wordplay. How many dead would be okay? Who wouldn't want less murder? Ideally, zero would be the goal, but that begs the question of how to prevent any tendency of violence in humans. This phrase is not only meaningless in terms of contributing to policy that achieves a positive end result, but also dangerous in that the appeal to emotion runs the risk of circumventing genuine solution in favor of sound byte. It makes sense to try to achieve goals with policies other than those proven to be ineffective, as the previous Federal assault weapons ban was. Lastly, homicides are at an all time low.

7. False Zero-Sum Dichotomy - "Either/Or":

Michael Bloomberg

Famous anti-gun rights advocate New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said, "I want the Congress to have to stand up and say 'I'm with the NRA and support killing our children', or 'No'" (Time magazine, January 28, 2013, p.30). On CNN's Piers Morgan, Congressman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) said, "the NRA is enablers of mass murder." This overly simplistic incendiary rhetoric does nothing to further our national discussion, and falsely frames the debate as a zero-sum, winner-take-all, 'either/or' proposition ? either you hug a gun or hug a kid, but you couldn't possibly be for both gun rights and your child's safety. That is preposterous. The NRA is not "the gun industry," and preservation of the Second Amendment is not of interest only to gun manufacturers. Nearly half of NRA funding comes from individual donors. The NRA is comprised of average people who want safe neighborhoods, schools, and streets. Rather than offer ridiculous false dichotomy and grandstanding, we should be looking for genuine solutions.

BONUS: We Need More Laws:

NICS

This is the granddaddy lie. We already have a lot of laws. It's illegal to kill your mom, steal a gun, take that gun onto school property, forcibly break and enter, and murder kids. We already have laws preventing mentally ill & felons from obtaining guns, and we have a background check system (NICS). The Sandy Hook shooter was denied to legally purchase a gun because of the NICS system. We tried a federal assault weapons ban (AWB) before. What we do need is better enforcement of existing laws. Congress has not fully funded NICS. Many states do not fully report felony and mental health data to NICS. The Justice Department only prosecutes a fraction of those who criminally falsify background check forms. We desperately need to engage in genuine discussion about real solutions to the violence problem. These solutions are not likely to yield instantaneous results, or win the next election cycle; yet it is what we would do if we were serious about addressing the issue. The underlying causes include: gang activity, which accounts for 48-90% of violent crime depending on jurisdiction; drug abuse, the single biggest predictor of violence with-or-without mental illness; concentrated urban population and poverty; and mental illness, including de-institutionalization, treatment and intervention, and other facets of mental health.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I can. Listen to the shots in the first video. WHERE did they go? only a couple hit the car, the bad guys were not hit. WHERE DID THE OTHER ROUNDS GO? Into the neighbor's houses.

funny they didn't mention the holes in the neighbor's houses from friendly fire......

use a shotgun for home protection, less chance of killing your neighbor's kids. Kill the bad guy, not innocents.

I'm not saying no guns, I'm saying no semi auto. if you want semi auto, go join the military.

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is what the vast majority of people fail to understand. They think "I have a firearm, I can defend myself". The fucker you are arguing with doesn't think he is James Bond, yet seems to believe he will be able to figure out if the person coming through the door is his son or an armed intruder.

We hear about people defending their homes and businesses every day, but we don't hear about the failures nearly as much. Case in point is what happened here in Sacramento a few weeks ago. Two men came into a business and pulled out handguns and attempted to rob the business owner. The business owner, out numbered two to one in the worst tactical position imaginable, pulled out his gun - and a gun fight too place. The only person injured was - you guessed it - the business owner who was shot in the face and lost an eye. What would have happened to the business owner if he was unarmed? Most likely he wouldn't have been hurt.

(The business owner, btw, had more fucking balls than all of us put together. He was shot in the face, lost his eye, and chased the gun men out of his shop and continued to fire at them as they fled. I honestly do not understand why this isn't front page news.)

Everyone thinks they are James Bond.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I can. Listen to the shots in the first video. WHERE did they go? only a couple hit the car, the bad guys were not hit. WHERE DID THE OTHER ROUNDS GO? Into the neighbor's houses.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

idiot

Originally Posted by bl4h

nah bro, thats not what happens. Maybe thats what happens in Canada, but I live in America. If I lived in Canada I would feel like a less than and argue gun laws in america just like you do. I would be jealous, and I would have zero understanding such as yourself. I would project my zero understanding upon others just as yourself. I get you. Youre our retarded cousin and thats ok, but believe me the US will remain armed and so will I, illegal or not

get back to chopping us some wood

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

so basically you have no logical defense what so ever.... idiot.

you should be banned from having any and all guns.

the USA should just implement this law. one must be able to walk and chew gum at the same time to get a firearms license. it would eliminate 4/5 ths of all gun owners including you.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Idiot. Where did I say there were more semi-autos? Of course there are more pumps. That is because they typically cost around 400 compared to a semiauto which costs closer to 2000. All I said was a semiauto is preferred for hunting ducks because you dont need to interupt your aiming. And an over under is not the same as a side by side. They typically have 1 trigger and fire both shots in succession, one after the other with each pull, which is again why they are preferred for duck hunting and skeet shooting. I dont think ive ever seen someone use a pump at the gun club for skeet shooting.

Originally Posted by nico-t

nobody cares idiot

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

Listen up.

unless you're in the military or police, as a civilian, if you need semi auto you are a COWARD with no respect for the lives of innocents.

period. COWARD.

as a civilian, place your round, kill who you intend to kill. Semi auto means spraying an area with rounds, and killing friendly targets along with the bad guy.

all of your home and self protection can be achieved with pump, lever and bolt action rifles and shotguns. and tazers.

man up and actually aim. one shot one kill.

play with semi and full auto at gun clubs, but leave the semi and full autos there and for the military and police.

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I dont know because it wasnt mentioned. But when the LAPD shot up a newspaper delivery truck with no warning about a week ago, a few other vehicles and homes were hit. They were using pistols.


You do realize that almost all pistols these days are semi-autio? A Glock 17 holds 19 rounds. Several pistols hold 10+ rounds. Even a revolver fires as fast as you can squeeze the trigger. There are no modern pump-action or bolt-action pistols that I'm aware of.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

looking at my thread count here, you're wrong.

really wrong and mighty stupid. I mean that comment might work on a thread if you're the third commenter and no one else comments...but page 5 on a many day old thread?

no one is that stupid to make that comment. come one, are you high? wake up moron.


obviously people do, read this thread and respond.


regardless if you agree with my thoughts in this thread, I just proved you're an idiot. publicly, for everyone to see

Originally Posted by bl4h

I can be a james bond, but i guarantee you id never shoot someone without knowing who they were. or if the bullet was in the path of a neighbors house. im an average american

you are mentally challenged. you project retard onto others. This is common sense stuff. You have no experience with firearms, because youre canadian, and it shows. clueless

315 million people, 300 million guns, and because of 4 incidents youre up in arms.

Originally Posted by nico-t

didn't read retard

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

yes i know you always don't read the things you quote.

jesus you just get stupider with every post.......

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

Ok, I believe the general public is stupid and should not have semi automatic weapons. this includes handguns.

I have no problem with any single shot rifle or shotgun or pump, lever, or bolt action long barrel gun.

why does a private citizen NEED a semi-automatic weapon other than "I want it"?

the constitution thing is bullshit, semi auto didn't exist when it was written.

so gun nuts, lets have it.

why do you need semi auto?

Originally Posted by aztecboi2003

Originally Posted by bl4h

I can be a james bond, but i guarantee you id never shoot someone without knowing who they were. or if the bullet was in the path of a neighbors house. im an average american

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

have you EVER fired a real shotgun? there's a wee bit more kick there than a .22 son. once a shotgun is fired, you need to re-aim as the barrel is going to be way off, even if you're hulk hogan.

stop talking out of your ass.

and skeet shooting is usually single shot, you don't need more than one. some use double barrel for two targets to show off though.

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I love that so many people are scared shitless of semi auto guns.

Originally Posted by Rochard

I'm less scared of the firearms and more scared of who has them.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

Ok, I believe the general public is stupid and should not have semi automatic weapons. this includes handguns.

I have no problem with any single shot rifle or shotgun or pump, lever, or bolt action long barrel gun.

why does a private citizen NEED a semi-automatic weapon other than "I want it"?

the constitution thing is bullshit, semi auto didn't exist when it was written.

so gun nuts, lets have it.

why do you need semi auto?