SleazyDream

examples that support banning handguns

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Just to correct a misapprehension about what the militia is, take a look at the law. This provision has been in effect since at least the early 50's; I suspect that it's a re-enactment of something much older, but I have no time to research it today. By federal law, Title 10 United States Code Section 311, every able bodied male between 17 and 45 is a member of the Militia of the United States and I suspect that they are also members of state militias in most or all states:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

In Heller, the Supreme Court views the preamble of the Second Amendment ("A well regulated Militia . . .) not to limit or restrict the remainder of the Bill of Rights guarantee that the right of the people to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed". That seems to be the correct reading because the operative language does not address itself to "members of the duly constituted militia" but to the people. This conversation would be enlightened by a careful reading of Heller. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html That's the law of the land.

I will shortly be expanding my practice to more gun cases that I've handled in the past. Last weekend, another lawyer and I agreed to act as founding members of the Second Amendment Lawyers' Association.

Finally, the original poster has entirely missed the point of my last post and I just don't know how to make it plainer: the whole point of a "right" is that you don't have to re-argue the matter or justify or defend how you exercise it. When a right is established, it is no longer necessary to tell people why you take advantage of it. And the correct answer to "why do you need to . . . ", whether it's about voting, reading or writing a book, publishing or viewing porn, traveling between states, refusing to admit warrantless agents into your home, or having firearms is - "it's none of your business". That's the only answer the original poster deserves. When you can only vote by giving some official an explanation, it's no longer a "right". For one year, my own website, xxxlaw.com, has said on its front page: "Personal freedom and privacy need no excuse." I count gun rights as a matter of personal freedom and societal protection from tyranny.

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seeric

As a former military police officer and graduate of the California POST police academy, I am an avid gun enthusiast.

The valid reason is that some of us enjoy shooting weapons. Legal ones.

This was my duty weapon.


9mm-15 rounds (Cali ones are 10). Nothing really crazy. Certified marksman 3 times.

I still love to shoot them. It's sentimental.

This is my home protection piece.


Mossy 12 gauge 500 cruiser with tactical blinding flashlight.

There is no sound in the world more intimidating that hearing one of these racking a round at 3am in an empty dark house.

Well, nothing but this.



As you can see, my intruder detection and eradication system is still growing. Just a baby at 4 months old. He'll be about 115 lbs when he's full grown and strong as a linebacker. Six more months and a home invader that desires to keep his arms and face intact would be better served targeting another home.

All this arguing about guns is just getting stupid.

People post ridiculous shit on Facebook about how sad that USA lives in fear and needs guns.

I'll be safe and sleep at night with my duel purpose pet and recreational firearms, as I know they're serving a purpose of duality.

I do not live in fear. I live prepared.

bl4h

actually the only reason I try and protect the right to bear arms is because I actually believe that force in numbers has an impact on the things our government does. Ill own a gun anywhere in the world, law or not. find it if you can. Doesnt matter to me.

and then the Canadians who are already a nanny state will try and compare their country to the most powerful country in the world. Lots of folks want the reigns to the US. Canada just sleeps no one gives a fuck about their dog sleds

SleazyDream

Oh my God, you're going into gun law????? Why not just post a sign that says gimme money, no refunds, no promises, no ability.

I know that's very complicated for you to understand, if I write it in crayon would it help?

to explain this again so you can HOPEFULLY (although doubtfully) understand it, cause you seem to not have a clue about what is being brought up here, is that the point was SOME firearms can and are restricted in the USA - Thus WHY are semi auto needed without huge regulations like full auto? Who cares if it's state or federally mandated. You have given NO reason as to WHY they are needed to be owned with minimal regulation by the general civilian population other than the typical NRA 'it's your right' bullshit which is full of holes.

if it's your right to own firearms, why are some highly regulated and some aren't then!?!?!?!??!?!. Apparently the gov't can and does take away your rights. You can't walk off the street in ANY state and just buy a full auto machine gun the same way you can buy a handgun most states.

my whole point was semi auto and handguns should be treated like full auto is in most places in the USA.

now IF you are an even slightly capable lawyer, show me a reason why this should not be so?

you avoided that, it was brought up MANY times in this thread, thus you were owned.
and still are.

sad, your answer says a LOT about your ability to practice law doesn't it.........



I highly doubt your highly trained legal response of "it's none of your business' would go very far with any police officer if they found a full auto uzi in your glove compartment and you didn't have ALL the highly restrictive licenses for it in ANY state.

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SleazyDream

keep telling yourself that....

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MaDalton

i see you trust the germans to protect you

i find nothing wrong with owning guns for sports btw - neither for protection in the hands of a responsible owner (when you live in a place where you think it's necessary)

i just think the 2nd amendment thing is nonsense (sorry)

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SleazyDream

look closely at what I'm stating and asking. we're not that far off.

I've never said ban shotguns for home defense, i use one myself
I believe in sport use of guns, and bolt, pump, and level action aren't a problem
I think handguns should be limited to a target range or hugely restrictive licenses, or police officers and such only
I like other protection ideas like dogs or tazers


I just think the average person is too dumb to properly handle semi auto and handguns and doesn't need them without huge restrictions - not all guns, JUST handguns and semi auto (and full auto as well of course)

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SleazyDream

tooo funny - did you see the end?

the black girl SHOT the cameraman by accident and the video was dedicated to his memory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Joe Obenberger

Just to correct a misapprehension about what the militia is, take a look at the law. This provision has been in effect since at least the early 50's; I suspect that it's a re-enactment of something much older, but I have no time to research it today. By federal law, Title 10 United States Code Section 311, every able bodied male between 17 and 45 is a member of the Militia of the United States and I suspect that they are also members of state militias in most or all states:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

In Heller, the Supreme Court views the preamble of the Second Amendment ("A well regulated Militia . . .) not to limit or restrict the remainder of the Bill of Rights guarantee that the right of the people to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed". That seems to be the correct reading because the operative language does not address itself to "members of the duly constituted militia" but to the people. This conversation would be enlightened by a careful reading of Heller. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html That's the law of the land.

I will shortly be expanding my practice to more gun cases that I've handled in the past. Last weekend, another lawyer and I agreed to act as founding members of the Second Amendment Lawyers' Association.

Finally, the original poster has entirely missed the point of my last post and I just don't know how to make it plainer: the whole point of a "right" is that you don't have to re-argue the matter or justify or defend how you exercise it. When a right is established, it is no longer necessary to tell people why you take advantage of it. And the correct answer to "why do you need to . . . ", whether it's about voting, reading or writing a book, publishing or viewing porn, traveling between states, refusing to admit warrantless agents into your home, or having firearms is - "it's none of your business". That's the only answer the original poster deserves. When you can only vote by giving some official an explanation, it's no longer a "right". For one year, my own website, xxxlaw.com, has said on its front page: "Personal freedom and privacy need no excuse." I count gun rights as a matter of personal freedom and societal protection from tyranny.

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AdultPornMasta

OK, fine!

Ban all the guns you want in that desolate land North of the US border but please shut the fuck up about what goes on in the USA!

You don't live in the USA, your input is not wanted and your half-baked opinions don't count anyway!







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bl4h

you're the one posing the question. youre the one making claims. you have the burden of proof. thats how things work in the US. Gun owners just have to sit back and mostly laugh or call out your bullshit. In the US, we have the right to own these weapons. Period. We lost a lot, because we allowed it to happen. its as simple as that. We let a lot of stupid shit happen. Next thread youll be talking about how fat and stupid americans are im sure :p

SleazyDream

fire off a couple rounds in the air in most any major city with people around and tell me again how it's your right to own and bear arms.

gun owners have to hide their guns at home in fear.

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SleazyDream

I think this image sums it up.

Have you ever been to Niagara falls? the American side is PATHETIC, the best and largest falls, by far, are on the Canadian side. EVERYONE knows that, everyone.

I mean, with soo many ways to portray America as grand and strong, you fuck it up. Only an idiotic GFY troll could do that.

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SleazyDream

Oh my god, who on EARTH would ever use Odenburger as a lawyer?

he copy and pasted the SAME answer to #415 and #425 thinking he did a different response but screwed up

Now there's a quality lawyer, NOT

who on EARTH would EVER hire this guy?

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seeric

Oh yes!

I'm half German
I drive BMW
I drink German beer
My dogs are German
Now I need some German guns. Lol.

seeric

Semi auto pistol is not an ideal home defense weapon. The shotgun I posted and own is the most recommended shotgun by law enforcement personnel for home defense. It's great for clearing a house in a tactical manner should you possess those skills.

I'll tell you why. There are numerous home defense rounds available for shotguns that are incredibly effective at stopping the threat as it resides. I've got rounds for specific instances. They stop the threat dead in its tracks when used correctly yet they won't penetrate my walls and kill an innocent bystander in another room.

I don't think the average American is properly trained in many instances in firearms safety. I believe we should have more stringent training requirements for folks to buy firearms. I've got at least 1500+ hours of structured training and certifications under my belt, and at least 5+ years of on and off duty carry time in, and I still would have no problems taking additional classes to legally own as a civilian.

In a shot/no shoot scenario you're literally making a life changing decision in a matter of seconds. The only way to do that most effectively is training and preparation.

My 2 cents.

PornoMonster

Who gives a fuck.. A PUMP Shotgun would of killed the same amount of kids. The police took 20+ minutes to get there.

WAIT ... Someone is going to jump the man while he was reloading....

Ok, just as someone could of shot him if they were armed.

How about Mind your own fucking country.. Your Fucking Pipe dream of no semi autos is NOT going to happen.

IF .... Someone is in the living room with my family that I need to shoot, I would rather be shooting a single shot, than spraying the room full of buck shot.

Yes it is the Most effective in Close range ... With no other people in the room you want to shoot.

Shit ... What is Rochard going to do if his friendly bad guy was in your house?
After you asked him if he was there to just rob you, and now you have to fire a warning shot.... dang that spray....

I will give you something.... THE REAL QUESTION

Does ANY Of this MATTER to the BAD GUY????
Answer FUCK NO.....

I will give you this... The sound of a round chambering in a shotgun will scare off many people....

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SleazyDream

training and prep basically means more restrictive licenses. A more restrictive license requiring training and prep wouldn't restrict someone like you at all from a firearm, but would restrict most that don't have a clue

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SleazyDream

are you a complete idiot? oh wait, i think you answered that already

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seeric

It should definitely be harder to obtain firearms. When I go to the gun store I'm looking around constantly at some of the scumbags looking at guns. It horrifies me. The bar for entry into firearms ownership is too low. I will give folks that. It is still a right under our constitution, and that's one of the things that makes the USA what it is. I am not sure what the answer is. The one common denominator is criminals don't play by the rules. Most of the firearms I seized as a police officer were illegally obtained. Not sure what that means in the context of this conversation, but bad people are just that, bad. Rules don't matter to them one bit.

Theo

Seeric had great points. Criminals obtain their guns illegally anyhow. My concern are the psychos and accidents with kids. Civilians must retain the right to prevent a potential junta attempt. This can happen only through the right of gun ownership. If you think the opposite you do need to refresh your memory and look back on what happened to other countries over the past century.

SleazyDream

i believe it requires vision. nothing gets fixed in a year or two, but 10 years, it's possible.

ban handguns allowing only those with highly restrictive licenses and training to have them, same for semi auto.

Make it jail time to own an unrestricted restricted firearm unless they are all turned in my such and such a date. Pay people for them, $200 or so a gun. Then use the all American capitalistic urge to make money off snitches and offer $1000 reward for anyone snitching on an unregistered firearm that gets taken in and charges laid for illegal possession. 90% of all illegal firearms gone in 5 years like that, the remained will be so well hidden they won't be much of a problem anymore. yes illegial guns will still exist, but there will be MUCH less out there.

and have simple registration and licenses for bolt pump and lever action rifles and shotguns so the people can still have the right to EASILY own, have and bear arms

that;s my 2 cents.

but soo many other people reading this hear ban guns and go bat shit crazy
without actually thinking it out

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SleazyDream

almost 10 pages and not ONE valid reason to own a semi auto gun

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is the fatass failure still frothing at the mouth?

bl4h

you can open carry a weapon in a lot of states. its concealing them thats the part that needs a license. youre ass backwards bro

most people dont open carry because theres no point. if you want to carry a weapon on your person, youre not going to let a potential threat like a mugger or a rapist know you have a weapon. theres no want to hide anything. and where in the constitution did it say you could randomly shoot a gun in the air, or randomly shoot people

theres no fear. theres crime everywhere, why wouldnt you prepare yourself

bl4h

yeah lets refresh. they overtook their tyrannic government and created the US. One of the few left that could actually escape such a government again

slapass

Google is your friend.

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

I would try the former for a bit.

slapass

The govt spends a lot money protecting our elected officials from us. You buy guns, and you pay for their protection. But that doesn't register?

slapass

India, Canada and Australia did the same thing and yet they don't have the gun laws we do... Or the current debt or a failing economy... hmmm Maybe we should look around.

SleazyDream

ok, once again, in any state with open carry, take out your gun and fire off a couple rounds into the air in a large public crowd and tell me what happened to you from your prison cell or grave

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SleazyDream

once again, I think you have to be the dumbest designer on the face of the planet.

to make fun of me in a thread where I'm against semi auto, you try and slam me with a picture of what??? a BOLT ACTION rifle, which I've stated about 100 times in this thread I have no problem with and shouldn't really be regulated.

do you even have two brain cells in your head?

web designers require creativity and a few brain cells.

How on earth do you survive? Honestly you're the dumbest designer on the planet. Who would EVER want to work with you or hire you?


I mean the most original thing you've said against me is I'm fat. no shit sherlock.


what kind of ads do you create? With all the creativity you've shown here I'd expect something like this "You can actually buy porn if you have a credit card" and sell that to people wanting to buy ads on a tube site.

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dyna mo

honest question,

you seem to be serious about this, so serious question- what's your valid answer to your question? Were you open to a valid reason or was the thread to point out that you don't believe there is any valid reason?


thanks in advances.

SleazyDream

Just because I can't see a valid reason, other then "i want it" (which I don't see as valid), doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm open minded, I'm willing to listen and even change my viewpoint if there is a valid reason I'm not currently aware of.

what I've seen as reasons are

I want it - ohh boohoo it's dangerous to others. the safety of others overrides your wants

Home protection - yet a shotgun is 40% more effective than semi auto and 100% more than full auto

the constitution - yet all kinds of guns are regulated, restricted, and banned in the USA

hunting - no real hunter needs semi auto, more than one bullet ruins meat

so i ask again, is there a valid reason for the general civilian population to own semi auto and handguns (without sever license and training requirements)


?

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SleazyDream

1o pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Seth Manson

According to you? Someone who doesnt matter on this side of the border? Seriously shut the fuck up.

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That is great... someone made a gif of Sleazy Dream shooting himself.

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bl4h

I hear that happen all the time, especially on new years eve. its ok. Most people and cops think, oh, someones shooting into the air

I dont even get your point. youre a canadian that is speaking on the behalf of the united states, without any experience amongst us. who is the idiot. look i grew up here. theres ~300 million weapons. and you retarded canadians get a few newspaper stories a year, and think the entire country (US) is out of control and too stupid to arm themselves, and think you know whats best.

Canada, a country that exists only to fuel the united states with products, lumber and electric thinks they know how to run a country. youre our bitch, do you realize that?

i forget where youre from but this applies to Europe too

SleazyDream

obviously you can't read, this was addressed earlier.

Maybe you should avoid nap time in class and listen more, then you'll catch up.

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SleazyDream

yes I'm sure the cops will think ohh yes, that's someone shooting in the air if you draw your gun and do just that, even on new years eve. In fact i dare you to try it in a public place. The technical term for doing just that is " suicide by cop. "

I'll tell you what, when the USA stops sticking it's nose in other countries affairs, then I'll stop sticking my nose into yours... or is it only a one way street with you

and if the American public education system actually worked, you'd know we're England's bitch, not yours.

my God, you actually said Europe is the US's bitch.....and then you wonder why people spit on Americans in Europe

idiot

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bl4h

Id answer it if I understand your point. no one shoots in the air unless maybe its new years. I do not understand your point. If you hurt someone and its unjustified youll pay the price. doesnt matter if its a gun or a feather. whats all this bullshit about shooting randomly in the air, and that meaning something. Canadians are fuckin idiots

Google Expert

Yeah, like I'm gonna bother reading 10 pages of your inane drivel.

Go fuck yourself fat loser

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And what do you have to show for yourself? YeSignals.com ? 10 page thread of chat board trolling?

Dumb fatass idiot.

SleazyDream

I'm sure you tell your clients that too. Take this design, like I'm going to actually look at what inane drivel your program is or what you're trying to sell.


You just posted that you make your opinion up without looking into or checking any facts.

How do you survive?

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SleazyDream

Ok, maybe I should send an email to the human resources department of each of those companies you listed about how you constantly publicly attack a person on a public message board about being fat and if their company endorses such behavior from someone who now is using their company name as a reference for all to see.

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SleazyDream

once again, take out a handgun in times square in New York on New years eve and fire off a few rounds into the air and see what happens.

Or on the Vegas strip

or downtown in most any major city in the USA on New Years eve in a crowd of thousands of people.


the ONLY place you could get away with that is in the back woods somewhere among a group of friends

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