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CommonSense4u · 02-19-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

One more time, a consumer based economy only works if people can afford to spend money. When I was hired by gm in 1985 to work on the line, I started at $11.35 an hr. now we see factory work is offering $9.50 an hr. My wife 15 yrs ago went for a reception job They offered $11 an hour for a high school grad, I saw one craigslist list recently ,they wanted a 4 hr degree and paralegal experience and it started at $10 an hr. This isnt good, wages should be going up, not down. And considering we all sell products this is should be very disturbing.

Maybe you should of backed a President that didn't have it planned to tank the economy then? I've read this forum enough to know you were pro Obama and didn't like Bush, yet compare employment numbers. Compare the Economy from Bush to Obama. Why are you not critical of Obama now? Its obvious the problems we have now have way more to do with Obama and a Dem controlled Senate. So anyone that was pro Obama is now quite as a church mouse about the economy, but if those numbers were Bush's you would of been screaming bloody murder. It goes to show that you can't be unbiased. Romney wasn't my candidate nor was Obama. I wanted Gary Johnson in there.

Economy is going down in flames. That is why people are paying less. They don't have the margins to pay more. So guess what.. sometimes when things are bad people have to suck it up, spend less, budget more, work extra. Work 2 jobs if you have to. Sorry that sucks, but that is the only way to get things going again. If everyone helps pull the weight, and doesn't ask for handouts, and charity from the government, or from their employers, things will right themselves again. But that won't happen. Everyone wants something for free. Why? Ask all the Obama voters. That was more or less his platform. Vote for me .... you'll get "free shit". He made your bed, now lie in it.

Tom_PM · 02-19-2013, 10:11 AM

There are few intelligent people who actually believe that a modest raise in the minimum wage would actually lead to less jobs. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.

If you follow some peoples "logic", you would have to believe that every raise in pay has always lead to less jobs. Just stop it with the nonsense already, OK? It's just embarrassing.

slapass · 02-19-2013, 11:02 AM

At first companies would hire less people as they would say, "woah! How is this going to effect us?" Then the Walmart crowd would get paid. These people at the lowest end of society are going to spend that cash and spend it now. So boom everyone is doing a little better. Prices go up a bit to cover the higher wages and it all settles back in.

If raising the minimum wage was really good for poor people and thus the economy, we would raise it all the time.

CommonSense4u · 02-19-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

There are few intelligent people who actually believe that a modest raise in the minimum wage would actually lead to less jobs. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.

If you follow some peoples "logic", you would have to believe that every raise in pay has always lead to less jobs. Just stop it with the nonsense already, OK? It's just embarrassing.

Obviously you are ignorant to how inflation works... Forced raise in pay will always lead to less jobs. Maybe you are blind, but did you ever hear about something called outsourcing that all the libs were up in arms about till Obama took office.

Maybe you don't realize that manufacturing jobs have been disappearing left and right. We don't export anywhere near what we used to. Free market will adjust itself it left alone, but putting restrictions on businesses and forcing them to pay beyond what makes sense for a job will make them find other ways to get that work done. Outsourcing, or moving to a state where they don't have as high of a minimum wage. Its simple economics, so don't act like the ones saying this are stupid.

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Originally Posted by slapass

At first companies would hire less people as they would say, "woah! How is this going to effect us?" Then the Walmart crowd would get paid. These people at the lowest end of society are going to spend that cash and spend it now. So boom everyone is doing a little better. Prices go up a bit to cover the higher wages and it all settles back in.

If raising the minimum wage was really good for poor people and thus the economy, we would raise it all the time.

Yes you are correct.

Cherry7 · 02-19-2013, 01:46 PM

So wages have been stagnating for 25 years and yet technology has developed and the economy grown.

Capitalism can't even raise the minimum wage.

De regulation and the free market has led to the biggest crisis ever and now in the most advanced industrialized nations children go to school hungry, there are whole countries with no industry, mass unemployment and poverty.

We sit playing with our gadgets unable to heat our homes.

FAIL

tony286 · 02-19-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CommonSense4u

Obviously you are ignorant to how inflation works... Forced raise in pay will always lead to less jobs. Maybe you are blind, but did you ever hear about something called outsourcing that all the libs were up in arms about till Obama took office.

Maybe you don't realize that manufacturing jobs have been disappearing left and right. We don't export anywhere near what we used to. Free market will adjust itself it left alone, but putting restrictions on businesses and forcing them to pay beyond what makes sense for a job will make them find other ways to get that work done. Outsourcing, or moving to a state where they don't have as high of a minimum wage. Its simple economics, so don't act like the ones saying this are stupid.

Yes you are correct.

Austrailia $16 min wag 5 percent unemployment, San Francisco $10.55 6.5 unemployment rate.

CommonSense4u · 02-19-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Austrailia $16 min wag 5 percent unemployment, San Francisco $10.55 6.5 unemployment rate.

You understand the difference between causation and correlation right?

bl4h · 02-19-2013, 09:10 PM

this is so stupid. people think they can just say "everything will be better if everyone got paid more, thus everyone should be paid more and we could simply make a law". You people are retarded, thats not how the world works i regret to inform you

GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CommonSense4u

How would that work? Umm Flat tax on buying goods, or flat tax on income. And minimum wage isn't needed. If you don't want to work for X amount of money that a job is offering.. DON'T TAKE THE JOB. Or take the job and work your ass off in order to get a raise.. Imagine that.. when people aren't handed something they didn't earn, they WORK HARDER to make more, do a better job, learn a better work ethic.

Flat tax can't work.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense4u

Good Lord you are a lefty crackpot.

You're a fascist pig.

GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bl4h

this is so stupid. people think they can just say "everything will be better if everyone got paid more, thus everyone should be paid more and we could simply make a law". You people are retarded, thats not how the world works i regret to inform you

Explain it all to us, genius.

GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

So wages have been stagnating for 25 years and yet technology has developed and the economy grown.

Capitalism can't even raise the minimum wage.

De regulation and the free market has led to the biggest crisis ever and now in the most advanced industrialized nations children go to school hungry, there are whole countries with no industry, mass unemployment and poverty.

We sit playing with our gadgets unable to heat our homes.

FAIL

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GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CommonSense4u

Obviously you are ignorant to how inflation works... Forced raise in pay will always lead to less jobs. Maybe you are blind, but did you ever hear about something called outsourcing that all the libs were up in arms about till Obama took office.

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The bill was called the, "Bring Jobs Home Act." It would have provided a 20% tax break for the costs of moving jobs back to the U.S. It removes tax deductions for the business expenses of jobs moving overseas. Simple enough.

Stop incentivizing jobs leaving the U.S. Start incentivizing jobs returning to the U.S. Fund it within the bill by taking away deductions for companies shipping jobs overseas. This way, it doesn't add to the deficit.

The president can never directly bring the jobs back. However, he and Congress can create the conditions through policy that create job magnetism.

This is the most common sense solution on the planet to create the conditions to draw jobs home.

Americans now realize that Republicans just voted to protect companies that outsource jobs.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/11...merican-public

GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

If raising the minimum wage was really good for poor people and thus the economy, we would raise it all the time.

Yeah, cuz Washington is ALWAYS concerned with the well being of the poor. It's because of all those lobbyists the poverty-stricken are always hiring!

epitome · 02-19-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

So wages have been stagnating for 25 years and yet technology has developed and the economy grown.

Capitalism can't even raise the minimum wage.

De regulation and the free market has led to the biggest crisis ever and now in the most advanced industrialized nations children go to school hungry, there are whole countries with no industry, mass unemployment and poverty.

We sit playing with our gadgets unable to heat our homes.

FAIL

For the US it used to be a race to the top with quality goods or services where you could charge a premium and pay your employees better.

Now it's a race to the bottom as everything becomes cheap and easily replaced.

The blame can be spread all around.

GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CommonSense4u

Maybe you should of backed a President that didn't have it planned to tank the economy then?

Get the butterfly net! It was Obama's evil plan all along.

GrantMercury · 02-19-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

One more time, a consumer based economy only works if people can afford to spend money. When I was hired by gm in 1985 to work on the line, I started at $11.35 an hr. now we see factory work is offering $9.50 an hr. My wife 15 yrs ago went for a reception job They offered $11 an hour for a high school grad, I saw one craigslist list recently ,they wanted a 4 hr degree and paralegal experience and it started at $10 an hr. This isnt good, wages should be going up, not down. And considering we all sell products this is should be very disturbing.

Damn right. But income isn't going down for everyone...just almost everyone.

Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed
http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/03/news...its/index.html

02-19-2013, 10:11 AM	#102
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	There are few intelligent people who actually believe that a modest raise in the minimum wage would actually lead to less jobs. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. If you follow some peoples "logic", you would have to believe that every raise in pay has always lead to less jobs. Just stop it with the nonsense already, OK? It's just embarrassing. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

02-19-2013, 01:46 PM	#105
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	So wages have been stagnating for 25 years and yet technology has developed and the economy grown. Capitalism can't even raise the minimum wage. De regulation and the free market has led to the biggest crisis ever and now in the most advanced industrialized nations children go to school hungry, there are whole countries with no industry, mass unemployment and poverty. We sit playing with our gadgets unable to heat our homes. FAIL __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

02-19-2013, 11:02 AM	#103
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,627	At first companies would hire less people as they would say, "woah! How is this going to effect us?" Then the Walmart crowd would get paid. These people at the lowest end of society are going to spend that cash and spend it now. So boom everyone is doing a little better. Prices go up a bit to cover the higher wages and it all settles back in. If raising the minimum wage was really good for poor people and thus the economy, we would raise it all the time.

02-19-2013, 09:10 PM	#108
bl4h Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,282	this is so stupid. people think they can just say "everything will be better if everyone got paid more, thus everyone should be paid more and we could simply make a law". You people are retarded, thats not how the world works i regret to inform you